Comparing how Women view Straight Men to how Straight Men view Gay Men is an Incorrect Comparison.

EulenWatcher · 2024-12-25T01:30:22+00:00

It's not a 100% precise metaphor, and metaphors usually are not precise or reflect all the details. It's not about having no relationships with men or not being attracted to any men whatsoever. It's about viewing the men who you aren't into as non-options and seeing any sexual interaction with them as disgusting as the idea of sucking another man's dick is for hetero men. It also illustrates the idea that being penetrated puts you in a more vulnerable position than being the one penetrated.

Plus, sexual harassment from someone who is at least as strong as you are (in case of men) or stronger than you are (in case of women) is perceived as more threatening than sexual harassment from someone who you can overpower. Hence, more hetero men would have a problem with a big guy groping their ass compared to a woman doing the same. Both should be illegal and condemned, of course, but the reaction of a victim is usually pretty different.

DelDivision · 2024-12-26T07:38:23+00:00

The metaphor is proof of women's privilege in dating. A straight man wouldn't have issues with what women complain about, we(in the general sense) would absolutely welcome being pumped and dumped by women, to be seen as a sex object instead of what we can provide, etc.... thats why they have to make the comparison to gay cause otherwise it'll fall on def ears like a rich person telling the homeless person the issues they go thru.

throwaway4223333 · 2024-12-25T01:30:18+00:00

No. It's implying that we don't typically find the men who catcall appealing at all. Men who catcall is not "all men."

Most women are too jaded to actually want to be cold-approached in most public spaces, and while a funny comment in public can be amusing sometimes, there is no interest for an actual conversation. Sorry, that's just the world we live in. If that upsets you, encourage your friends to be better people.

Main_Following1881 · 2024-12-25T11:59:23+00:00

you could unironically have 10 000 different men cat call the same woman and that woman will not find a single person out of that 10k attractive. women are just built different

Tylikcat · 2024-12-25T02:43:28+00:00

One of a few preconditions for me being attracted to a man is that he treats me with respect.

Men who catcall are unattractive by definition. And frequently overtly threatening (but usually covertly threatening.)

HagathaKristy · 2024-12-25T02:28:18+00:00

It is a perfect example. Women aren’t attracted to men who catcall us. Hell, the woman being catcalled might even be gay or asexual. The type of men who catcall are extremely unattractive. Stop trying to convince yourself we like catcalling and want it. We don’t. It’s unattractive AND scary.

Novadina · 2024-12-25T06:41:19+00:00

Comparing how Women view Straight Men to how Straight Men view Gay Men is an Incorrect Comparison.

There is this idea that Straight Women view Straight Men similar to how Straight Men view Gay Men.

You are misunderstanding. We view straight male harassers the same way as men might view gay male harassers.

However this comparison is Incorrect. First as a Straight Male I am not attracted to Men at all. Is this implying that Women do not find Men Attractive at all?

If you fix your subset from “straight men” to “straight men who harass women”, then yes, women don’t tend to find harassers attractive at all.

And Second the reason this comparison fails is because as a Straight Man I don’t want to be in relationships with Gay Men ,I don’t talk about Gay Men ,I don’t intentionally try and find Gay Men to hang out with.

Yeah, I also don’t want to be in a relationship with a male harassers, I don’t intentionally find them or hang out with them. Women often go to lengths to specifically avoid harassers.

If Women viewed us the same then why do women want to be in relationships with Men?

No, we are saying since many men seem to not care about female harassers, but care more about gay male ones, we are saying how they vuew men harassing them seems more close to how we view men harassing us. Women don’t want to be in relationships with men who harass them!

WHY do Women want to associate or hang out with people they view as a Threat?

Biology. Nature made most people straight, even if the other person is the stronger and more violent gender. Most men view strange men as a threat too, not just women. So that’s why we have to be careful and will trust men we’ve known longer as they’ve proven to be safe. Most women don’t want to hang out with men who harass women though, that’s just not true.

SafeThrowaway691 · 2024-12-26T02:16:47+00:00

To be honest, I don't buy it when straight guys claim they dislike being hit on by gay men. So honestly women probably view straight men even worse.

sublimemongrel · 2024-12-25T03:47:03+00:00

No that’s why it works lol. Those women aren’t attracted to those men and don’t want any sort of relationship with them. Bam it works. You just don’t understand female sexuality.

y2kjanelle · 2024-12-25T05:20:35+00:00

I actually think you proved the point even more lol.

Men are not like women. They will fuck for the sake of fucking. There are married straight men who even go to gay gloryholes.

Women are just pointing out that they are NOT that way and there are some men they don’t seek out no matter what, that they don’t sleep with no matter what, and they don’t want to interact with just for the sake of fucking or “it’s been a while” or because they are straight. There are some men they don’t think of as a threat but just have no desire towards and they have to use gay men as part of the example because men refuse to understand their point because they WOULD pursue and fuck women they don’t even like or find attractive. Women are just saying imagine someone you wouldn’t fuck no matter what, that is how we feel at some times with some men.

Like lol im straight and there are some men I am not attracted to AT ALL. There are some men I don’t want to pursue at all. There are some men I don’t want a relationship with at all. Doesn’t matter if it’s a 10 year long dry spell or im super horny. There are some people I just don’t want to interact with, date or fuck at all.

And just like you said, that doesn’t mean I hate those men. I’m just not attracted to them for any kind of relationship except maybe friendship.

EetinAintCheetin · 2024-12-25T02:53:19+00:00

When women say “don’t harass us, don’t bother us”, etc. they they are saying is that they don’t like to be pursued by creepy, needy, over pursuers. They want to be the one doing the pursuing but you have to give them an opportunity to do it.

Dertross · 2024-12-26T02:00:14+00:00

It's fucked up how women find male being (yes, a man's sexuality is part of his being) so disgusting that they will regard most men with disgust unless he either:

a) Acts as an asexual agent

b) She's also sexually attracted to him.

"B-but there's more to relationships than sex! Platonic and familial relationships exist!"

The issue with that line of thought is that it isn't claimed because of the exaltation of agape love but is merely a rhetorical tool to distract, divert, and gaslight the fact women find most men disgusting. Most men aren't family or friends. I'll believe that statement is sincere when we live in a society that actually values friendship or family. Certainly not in this promiscuous, divorce-ridden hellscape where families can barely even form and friendships are at a historical low.

Particular_Oil3314 · 2024-12-25T07:56:34+00:00

Perhaps being ogled by a very large unattractive man is a similar experience for a man and a woman. It is a simple point that this cartoon misses

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Put a man in desk chair and aa attractive woman telling him he looks good and the cartoon works just as well.

Take the sex of the person away and keep the attractiveness as the issue. An unattractive person pushing to sleep with you and have a relationship is a major threat, if they are attractive it might be welcome.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-12-25T03:23:33+00:00

Is this implying that Women do not find Men Attractive at all?

Most men? Nah. Especially not desperate cat callers. He might as well be toothless, homeless, and 65. It means nothing other than momentary disgust and a pinch of anxiety and fear that a desperate man is also dangerous.

Objective_Ad_6265 · 2024-12-25T09:51:46+00:00

Well I love only one man and other men could as well be women. My heart is taken so I'm not at all attracted to anyone else.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-12-25T13:59:22+00:00

What’s a better comparison then?

GKilat · 2024-12-25T18:31:49+00:00

The point is you don't want attention from people you are not attracted to. Even men have preference and they don't want attention from women they don't find attractive. Would a man that prefers younger women like it if a hag older than him hits on him? That's the same feeling women feels if strangers they don't even know cat calls them. Pretty sure your partner would appreciate you cat calling them if they are into it.

ControversialDebator · 2024-12-25T03:10:03+00:00

None of you are getting towards my main question which isn't just about Cat-calling. WHY is it that Women feel threatened by All expressions of Male Sexuality yet also wish to Date Men? Cat-calling was just one example but there are many examples like women hating Men when they want sex ,when they want sex on the first date ,Video Games that depict Sexually Attractive Women ,Sexually attractive women in Movies and more. If you hate "muh Sexualization" and "muh Creepiness" in Men then why associate with men at all?

meisterkraus · 2024-12-25T10:04:47+00:00

I always found it to be a bad analogy. When I get hit on by gay dudes it makes me feel good about myself.

Imaginary_BeachTea · 2024-12-25T02:01:47+00:00

Is this implying that Women do not find Men Attractive at all?

Yes.

They’re attracted to a small minority of physically attractive men. The rest are beige-colored genderless blobs that walk back and forth in the background, occasionally making noise.

If one such blob proves to be of some use, they will enter into a relationship with it. This is not predicated nor motivated by physical attraction, lust, or desires for sex. These can only be fulfilled by the minority of men they’re actually physically attracted to.

The “gay male” comparison is not only absolutely appropriate, but actually too generous as straight men could conceivably feel flattered on some level by a gay man’s admiration, something a woman could never feel from a man’s admiration.

pentatonicartichoke · 2024-12-25T09:17:39+00:00

The comparison is made to illustrate how little women enjoy being catcalled by strange men. It has zero appeal. That doesn't mean we don't like men. It means we don't like men who catcall.

BrenoECB · 2024-12-25T04:51:33+00:00

Women are weird creatures, do something harmless and they will accuse you of being violent. Actually be violent and they will do anything for you

Case in point: in my country a video appeared recently about a man who beat up her wife, severely, she was bleeding. He was in the police car and she was begging them to open it while crying. https://x.com/fightzinclub/status/1869812266498924803?s=46 women never do this for an average worker, for an astronaut who spent the last year on a mission.

I do not know why women like this, but who am i to question

vegetables-10000 · 2024-12-25T03:42:36+00:00

I guessed the metaphor is about not giving consent to people who you don't find attractive hitting on you.

There are better paradoxes to use here. Women using sex as a reward to men for doing what they want. Women using sex to manipulate men in a femme fatale way. So basically women using sex as a transaction to get money, gifts, or other benefits.

All of this feeds into the stereotype that women don't enjoy sex with men, and only have sex when it's a reward for men or when they want money. And this also feeds into the gold digging stereotype too.

This is a stereotype a lot of women or feminists claim to be against. But would still encourage women to have a transactional view of sex though.

SayuriKitsune · 2024-12-25T12:12:04+00:00

Its about unwanted and unsolicited attention, I dont think is that difficult to understand the situation, it doesnt need to be 100% perfectly accurate

XOTrashKitten · 2024-12-25T15:16:45+00:00

The point is no one wants to be harrased by someone they're not attracted to, just like straight men don't want gay men to flirt with them, women don't want men they're not attracted to to flirt with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

ControversialDebator · 2024-12-25T02:54:01+00:00

A lot of Women here view Male Sexuality as terrifying and inherently dangerous. If that's the case why not simply disassociate from Men altogether? Why not join the 4B Movement and completely separate from men? It's this idea of "Men are disgusting and Threatening but also we want to be with them and be in relationships with them." Its as terrible as saying "Black People are dangerous and threatening but I don't hate them and I have black friends!".

KayRay1994 · 2024-12-25T14:04:08+00:00

The point made by the comparison is to point out how it feels to be actively gawked at, hit on and even harassed when it’s not wanted. I’ll use the example you mentioned, cat calling, you being attracted to the person doesn’t make it okay. I’ve been cat called by a woman once, I don’t even know what she looks like, but it did feel a little embarrassing and like I was being singled out… not a good feeling

I also think the comparison is made to circumvent the whole “well women don’t look at me on me anyway so its never gonna happen” - many straight men almost irrationally fear being hit on by a gay man, to the point where it is actively met with vitriol and to an extent, fear. That’s why the comparison is made.

Let’s put it this way, if an ugly woman had hit on you, or a woman you’re not attracted to, would it be met with positive attention? Probably not, because you don’t want that attention. Unless your self esteem is so low and see any attention from any woman as a good thing, in which case, probably something worth reflecting on.

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Livid-Log7463 · 2024-12-25T06:00:37+00:00

Any equivalent or analogy made to describe the reverse of the situation must still be done from opposite genders no matter what to even begin to be in any way similar.

Any-Photo9699 · 2024-12-25T08:00:19+00:00

Assuming there isn't anything physical going on, then I wouldn't even mind it tbh.

Odd-Audience-9555 · 2024-12-25T08:58:31+00:00

I agree op and Reddit agrees that's why you can be banned for doing it. From now on any women or man who tried to use this I will report. Normally I could care less but seeing how women here have gotten men banned for nothing fuck them.

SnoopyDru · 2024-12-26T06:45:28+00:00

I don’t find most men attractive. I don’t want most men. I want a specific man and if you’re not him you might as well be a woman and I am completely straight. I don’t have any interest. There’s no possibility of changing my mind. I don’t want to talk to or hang out with strangers either.

mashedturnip · 2024-12-26T16:23:38+00:00

Not perfect, but most men refuse to see that unwanted attention is both unwanted and scary, because attention from women is never either to them

The comparison is an attempt to make men understand, but most will refuse to out of self interest

VWGUYWV · 2024-12-26T16:51:29+00:00

It’s wrong in that a straight man wants no gay men sexually

Vs a straight woman probably wants some men sexually

Where it is accurate is the feeling straight guys get when a gay or bi guys goes after them and especially when they are insistent

I’m not married so this has happened to me countless times

WanabeInflatable · 2024-12-25T09:40:03+00:00

If a gay man compliments my looks that wouldn't make me mad. I know he likes men and if he finds me attractive, that's a compliment.

So as a straight man I have nothing against gay men.

And many women would throw tantrum if they hear a compliment about their looks.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-12-25T14:03:01+00:00

I think you are purposely ignoring the point of the metaphor which is “how would you like it if people you weren’t sexually attracted to were constantly harassing you or being suggestive and they were more physically imposing than you? How enjoyable would that be to deal with every day?”

Responsible-Bee-3439 · 2024-12-25T18:39:58+00:00

Yeah, something about this comparison has never ever sat right with me. You can't say this and then say women do like men and want sex with them but need to feel confident it won't go badly for them and it needs to be with a man they're attracted to.

Doesn't matter how good looking or charming he is, straight men aren't ever going to fuck a man. If that's how you think of men you are *not* automatically attracted to, then you aren't actually attracted to men.

Jake0024 · 2024-12-26T08:06:45+00:00

My dude, you're missing the point entirely. No one is saying there's a perfect SAT style analogy comparing women to straight men and straight men to gay men. It's literally just about this one thing, meant to give you some perspective on how women feel. And you're ignoring it completely.

Comparing how Women view Straight Men to how Straight Men view Gay Men is an Incorrect Comparison.

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Men include in the spectrum women they find ugly, women they despise, women they don’t mind treating poorly instead of just leaving her alone to find someone else as long as they find her fuckable in some way.

Title	Comparing how Women view Straight Men to how Straight Men view Gay Men is an Incorrect Comparison.
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