You know we see this tired argument trotted out time and time again, each time bringing us no closer to an answer on school shootings.
It's the guns that are at fault! No, mental illness! Clearly parenting is at fault! No, it's video games! Surely something can and should be done!
Of course the problem will never truly be addressed because the nature of our fem-centric society forbids looking behind the curtain and makes the general populace completely blind to the nature of the shootings. To make it worse, the common thread is right there for you to pull but it's all-but-invisible unless you shed your blue-pill conditioning.
It's always curious to me when society as a whole throws up its hands and declares they do not know what causes senseless crimes such as these and pretends there are no common factors or identifiers that can be seen. It's similar to Scott Adam's analogy, that we're watching two different movies on the same screen. They see random acts of violence that have no cause, no trigger, and therefore no way to stop it other than removing freedoms from all citizens, lest any one of us suddenly become as randomly angry as the last guy was. Watching the conversation unfold, it's as though the gun control nuts themselves aren't sure if they might become a school shooter, so the safe bet is to get rid of all guns!
But I digress, this is not a topic about gun control or medicating children. This is about the REAL cause of school shootings.
There is a common identifier that may clue you in to the nature of school shootings. And it's not hard to see. It is done entirely by male students who have been ostracized and have no sense of belonging... and they don't have girlfriends. They are, by all accounts losers.
It should be painfully obvious to anybody here what's happening but I'll spell it out.
Men only go to extremes like this when they are exceptionally desperate. It's the reason why young sexless virgins are easily recruited into terrorist organizations with promises of sex with virgins when they die. It's the reason why you don't see Chad from the football team that gets his knob slobbered on by a different cheerleader each night stocking up on guns to teach other students a lesson.
Why are these boys so upset?
Factor number one is probably poor social skills, perhaps no father figure to teach them. Couple that with some level of autism or physical malady, or maybe just an ugly face. They get shunned by the popular kids and girls, forever hopeless and forever alone.
Of course at that age you don't exactly have a roadmap to direct you where to go. Many of us relied on fathers to explain to us what matters in life and how to navigate social hurdles. But in today's culture of unbridled hypergamy, there are record amounts of public and direct hatred and lack of sympathy for male losers. It's not that women fail to understand the male plight, it's that they openly mock it. Meanwhile mainstream media does its best to delegitimize the actual issues these boys face.
Elliot Rodger comes to mind when looking at the full picture. A sexless autistic kid desperate for female attention but with zero understanding and know-how to make it a reality. So angry he was that the Disney fairytale of "be a nice guy" didn't work that he lamented both the popular kids as well as pick up artists who claim to have the secret, as neither fit into his narrow world-view. Of course, when the evidence doesn't match your belief, some might consider re-examining their beliefs. But you throw in a case of autism, raging hormones, and lack of father figures and you might just have a ticking time bomb on your hands instead.
Gunning to ignore the male plight, the mainstream news painted him as a red-pill misogynist, reporting that he murdered girls because he hated them so much. Of course, the news downplayed the fact that he killed more men than women, or that he did so because of jealousy and rage that they should be so lucky to experience female validation that he so desperately craved. No, this was simply misogyny at play, nothing more, nothing less. No mention that he hated pickup and red pill. He was a member at PUAHate, a site dedicated to disagreeing with us.
The collective response was "no wonder women didn't like him, what a loser!" This was the country, banding together under the banner of the fempire, sticking out their collective tongues and doubling down on their open disgust of males and their stupid vulnerabilities and needs. A response so tone deaf that I'm surprised some women didn't simply load his weapons for him.
Now, at TRP we preach personal responsibility, and I'm absolutely not saying these boys are not at fault for what they do. I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility. But that doesn't mean you can't identify trends. And a trend school shootings have become.
Do mental illnesses play into the outcomes? For sure they do. But you don't see every emotionally disturbed teen shooting up a school. You don't see teens with girlfriends doing so either.
The real reason for school shootings is because boys have been raised as the enemy by a society that hates maleness. These boys never learn how to become men from role models that don't exist, and fathers who have either given up or have legally been told to stay away.
And I don't see this trend of extremism changing until our culture changes its attitude towards men and boys. But the femtrain is a strong force and I don't see it slowing down, so I won't hold my breath. But if anybody wants the real reason to the meaningless murders, you don't have to look any further.
As for prevention, here's an idea- an inoculation against school shootings if you will. Get the cheerleading team together and simply give blowjobs to the losers in your class. Do it once a year, and finally once again at graduation. Though I jest in suggesting this, I would put my life savings on a prediction that student bodies that participated in this would have a 0% school shooting rate. As impossible as this sort of policy would be, it would completely solve the question that all those experts haven't been able to answer.
And it should shed some light on the male condition. Even a blowjob from somebody who barely tolerates your existence, and the promise of a future one would be enough to change the mind of a would-be mass murderer. Hell, downgrade blow job to simply hand holding and I bet you'd get similar results. Fuck- a phone call now and again would probably be it for 90% of these guys.
Hell, a guy in the desert would drink piss.
Keep it civil, people. Or I'm going to go on a rampage. I've left up some edgelord bullshit in the spirit of keeping the conversation going, but if I see it keep coming, I will go to work.
Only warning.
EDIT: alright then. Aside from a few political posts that weren't technically rule breaking, you have all been aces. I'm proud of you. Keep up the good work.
This problem literally stems from the media and a lack of critical thinking skills. I’ve said it once I’ll say it again. Social media will be the downfall of a functional society. Everyone has a voice even the retards. Couple that with people who want instant gratification (porn, retweets, likes, shares) and the next thing you know bullshit faggotry is being spread like wildfire. It’s a disease and the only way to use it is by being aware of what it does.
A lack of self control, respect, and critical thinking is plaguing our society. It’s really what’s turned me on to TRP. People are just so fucking stupid now and days. TRP is mostly about bettering yourself, fuck the other noise around us. Play the game but be aware it’s a game. It’s only gonna get worse.
I am firmly of the opinion that, as you mention, critical thinking skills is the answer.
My question is how can we objectively teach critical thinking? You can’t just say question everything bc then you get idiots who think the earth is flat. Over my whole life I’ve learned to just recognize something that sounds like bullshit and investigate. But how can you teach that without having people who just question everything they disagree with? It fucks my mind just trying to explain critical thinking so idk.
It sounds like you are actually describing two different things:
Critical thinking is not the same thing as simply disagreeing with a random idea and the coming up with some other random, unsubstantiable explanation.
I'm a strong believer that History courses should be used to teach critical thinking skills. Too much of History courses is learning the who, what, and where. Learning history is supposed to be about learning cause and effect. Not just about what happened, but why it happened. How do we keep getting into situations and what we can do to get out of them. How to examine situations from multiple angles. How seeing through the side of the opposition, gives us tools to avoid creating that opposition.
Timmy's dad beats him
Timmy's mom mentally abuses him
Or Timmy's dad is gone, and mom is absent
Timmy is "weird"
Timmy gets bullied
None of the girls at school like Timmy
Timmy isn't good at sports
Timmy has no talents
Timmy has little-to-no friends
Timmy has no future
Timmy is mad at the world
Timmy is frustrated because he's not "normal"
Timmy sees the news glorifying shooters
Timmy sees a chance to be something
People will remember Timmy's name
The girls will remember Timmy
The bullies will be sorry they messed with Timmy
The "normal" kids will finally notice Timmy
Timmy has a gun
Timmy can at least point and shoot
Timmy has a chance to be remembered
This is the most on point shit I have read about this. It really is, when you break it down, that simple.
Maybe it is that simple, maybe not. It's hard to say what goes into the mindset that would drive somebody to do these things. I know the common sentiment is that these kids are monsters or mentally ill, but the way I see it is, it's really fucking sad that kids get to the point where shooting up a school is even on their mind. I feel bad for the victims, but also I have to wonder what happened in this kids life that drove him to do it. Most people they've interviewed said they weren't surprised he was the shooter... I can't imagine what it must've been like for him to have that perception from other students. It had to be tough. Maybe it was a case of self-fulfilling prophecy.
Like most others have expressed. I tend to agree it has to do with a collapse of family values. Lack of being present in their lives. Etc etc
School shootings is just another symptom of an underlying disease, which is the existential crisis that's plaguing the Western world. Men and women are repressed in someway or another, and don't have the self love to break through it. The media's always going on about guns are the issue and "the government's not doing enough", or whatever. They never talk about why, and until now pretty much mass shooter has killed themselves in the act.
I remember in Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore asks Marilyn Manson what he'd say to the shooters, and in response he said, "I wouldn't say anything, I'd listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did." These young men are directionless, and have no support. Maybe for all you redpillers still in High School, reach out to these kids and help them find a direction.
That's actually great advice!
School shootings are not a Western problem, they are an American problem.
Canada is the nation most culturally similar to the US, but the US lost more kids to school shootings in the first six weeks of 2018 than Canada has in the last hundred years. Australia, another English-heritage wild-frontier nation, has lost 3 children to school shootings, ever, since HMS Supply sailed into Botany bay.
Let that sink in.
This is not because either has restrictive gun policies. I know a Canadian with basement full of assault rifles and a functional .30 cal machinegun. Australia got more restrictive after the '96 (non school) mass shooting, but its straightforward to buy a gun if you want one.
Guns are part of the problem (no guns=no shooting, QED), but they are not the problem.
Reaching out to young men having trouble is part of the solution though. Upvote.
There was at least one case here in Germany. And it was a blessing for the mainstream media that he apparently had played Counter Strike at some point before the shooting. It lead to a big, stupid, hypocritical and utterly misinformed discussion that actually made me angry. "Killer games" was the term the german media coined.
No one ever mentioned that he got expelled from school for some minor disbehaviour only weeks before the tests for A level, that he was given no chance to at least repeat the year, that he wanted to study and now had no gratuation at all and thus, faced a life as labourer, since here in Germany you can't even make a vocational training without some form of graduation (which I generally see as a good thing, I have to add).
Nooo, him freaking out could not have something to do with this, absolutely impossible. It was the killer games, we need to ban those! Why should a young man who just got utterly robbed of his future for some minor misbehaviour freak out because of this, it's what is happening to hundrets of young men every year and do they shoot up schools? No? See...
Edit: Just checked, because I wanted to be sure to tell no BS. Apparently he stayed away from school for a couple of days and then forged a doctor's certificate, which was soon discovered. Surely stupid and not necessary, but in my opinion far from being the reason to utterly ruin the life of a young man.
Usually when you drop out of school during A levels (classes 11 - 12 /13, depending on the federal state), you get at least the certificate for the O-level, which still enables you to learn a profession and even go to university later as a lateral entrant. Not so in his federal state, so he literally had nothing. This brutal expulsion was utterly illegitimate, there is not a single law that justified this. My guess would be that the female headmistress was on a power trip.
A teacher talked to the killer, managed to guide him into an empty room and lock him in. When he later talked about this in the media, he got massively attacked by the media and called a liar. Soon the police confirmed his story. The only thing the headmistress had to say to this was "Sometimes I wish that he would be a more quiet hero."
I think this says it all. The Erfurt School Massacre
I think they recognized that the fact he had no graduation contributed to the shooting. That is why they introduced the BLF (an exam after 10th grade), as a fallback if you fail the abiture afterwards
Yes, in the end, they did. But all you could hear and read for quite some time after the shooting was "Counter Strike! Killergames! Video games made him do it! Ban video games!".
And later, when all those facts got revealed, you heard pretty much nothing about it from the media, let alone a public clarification or an apology. Fake news, hm...
we have shootings too, they just dont get mainstream, last year la ronge saskatchewan had a school shooting killing a couple ppl and a teacher, no one other than saskatchewan ever heard about it tho, peob cuz the shooter wasnt white
Yes. Must maintain the narrative that blacks are all innocent opressed angels. This is also why you never heard about the guy who shot and killed some psycho at a Minnesota mall who was stabbing people at random. We can't have people see that guns are for self defense. Must maintain the narrative that guns do nothing but hurt the innocent.
it was a native, but they statistically commit nearly as bad as blacks crime wise
Oh please the news discriminates against blacks way more than whites.
You're right, we should also ban drugs and make murder illegal.
We should also ban evil.
Everything will be honkey-dory as soon as we do it.
Loving this thread.
Restricting access to guns has been proven to work in other countries. Restricting access to drugs has never been proven to work. Addiction is different than wanting to own a gun. Come on guys, you're supposed to be a bastion of logic over emotion. But all I see from gun owners is head in the sand emotional crying.
Canada also harbors the most feminized men.
Not all of us are like that. It's moreso the general air of being polite in society. We're Canadian it's what we do. There's still a lot of shady shit happening and red pills here, but yeah not as much as the betas and "enlightened" feminist thinkers
There is nothing wrong with having the strength to be polite
My cudi, did your mom make a 3 pointer into the trash can when you were born or something?
Ah! Is that the best insult you've got? Pathetic! Gimme another one.
Automatic guns are illegal. I've never seen one in the many gun shops I've been in. Do you know the process to even get a handgun? If you are not a 'collector' or a hunting guide that needs one for defense against bears, good luck getting a permit for them. Don't talk about issues you don't know.
You can get a restricted license very easily by saying its use is for target practice.
I have an AR15 and a pistol.
Its semi-auto of course. But anyone who thinks an automatic rifle is more deadly clearly has no idea about guns or "combat" (even if it's a school and nobody is armed)
The safe storage laws basically make it impossible to use a firearm for self or home defence. There was that firearms instructor who had his porch firebombed and after he retrieved a pistol and fired two warning shits into a tree to scare off the attackers the cops arrested him and he was prosecuted rigorously.
The other thing is that a lot if pistols are prohibited rather than just restricted. Loads like 5.7, .25 and .32 are considered military grade or "murderer grade" for lack of a better term.
And how many bullets are you legally allowed to have in you AR-15 magazine: 20, 30, 50?
I'm interested then. I live 2 mins from a gun range and would love to get my restricted license (have non-restricted). Can I get a license JUST for target practice? What is the process like? (Background checks, wait time, references).
I stated automatic since OP said machine gun.
I know a guy with a corrogated steel building filled with weapons. From fully automatic to semi automatic. He even has a couple rocket launchers. Anything that was owned before the laws passed was grandfathered in in Canada as somebody above me also stated. Just chiming in to add another confirmed Canadian with a weapons stockpile.
Collector permits are.grandfathered AFAIK. In Ontario, with a population of roughly 10 million there are about a dozen concealed carry permits issued.
Google "CFB Borden machine gun shoot". You'll see lots of Canadian civilians with belt fed weapons.
Full auto are prohibited, but if your grandfathered in you can still own them and buy them if your license is 12-x. Check this out.
IIRC you can only shoot them at a certified range, and good luck getting the transfer permit to move it. Also, storage legislation is particularly gnarly.
More info to be had at /r/canadaguns.
Canada also has a population 1/10 that of the US...
Look at Europe. 500 million people, and this doesn't happen.
"Europe" isn't a country, but some really bad shit has happened in countries on that continent when the population was unarmed.
You've also got a very different culture. You don't glorify mass murder like American media does.
And of course, Americans have a right to bear arms, but not a right to healthcare.
Europeans have a right to healthcare, bit not to bear arms.
Weird world, ain't it?
But we are talking proportionately. The homicide rate in Canada is a third of the USA's and handgun homicides are 0.03% as likely so even multiplying by 10 times leaves a huge gap.
I suspect the number and overall body count from Canadian school shootings is less. Than a tenth of the American tally.
Plus, the feminists turned the Montreal Massacre into an annual day of
mourningmisandry where they tell guys how evil they are.You only end up with less shootings if you make the weapons harder to aquire. It just takes more dedication that way and people that dedicated may as well just blow up the place instead after building their own explosives.
Your suggestion is fighting symptoms instead of the root of the problem. Which most likely lessens the symptom but does not fix the problem ever.
Yep, already prevented one school shooting from a friend in a province far north (Groningen, the Netherlands). These people just need guidance, a father figure and the knowledge/wisdom that can be learned here on TRP
I'd say that's horrible advice. You don't want to be associated with these people. You aren't a professional and even if you were there is not any real way to ensure the threat is neutralized or the person is helped.
Be nice to them privately, but in a public setting to gain rapport and avoid being shot or targeted other ways. You don't want them latching on to you.
Report them if you think you need to in a way that they won't know its you.
I try to preach RP whenever I can, it pains me that so many young men suffer unnecessarily just because they lack proper understanding of themselves, women & life in general. The knowledge is there, these men just need to be pointed in the right direction
That’s exactly what I do. I try to be everyone’s friend. Even the weird guys no one likes. They are usually much more than meets the eye and they tend to be great guys.
If red-pillers in high school do this they will lose their hard earned social status. Women are evil when it comes to these things, especially young women. You can't even associate with a "loser" without being labeled as one.
EDIT: Best case scenario is if the redpiller does it in secret, the advise the guy to find a new social circle because his "sudden change" to being strong, will be met with ridicule and scorn by those who enjoyed the the weak BP that they used to be able to shit on all the time.
Social status in highschool is honestly meaningless. It’s 4 years of your life. You can leave highschool and build a completely different persona and go to college. One of my friends was a total dork in highschool but a cool guy frat bro who got chicks in college.
To us it is, after the fact, but did you really believe that in high school? Right, no one did. High school was life and 4 years was an eternity.
That 4 years is also key in developing your social IQ towards women, which if done incorrectly will have long-lasting negative repercussions for most people.
Idk man. Personally I didn’t give two shits about my social status in highschool. Neither did my friends. Then again our group was pretty tight and probably did way cooler stuff on the weekends than the so called “in crowd”. Most of us were virgins too but def not incel types.. just blue pilled and bamboozled by feminine nature.
All through highschool I was just waiting to get out so I could get on with my life.
Then you had a social status.... A tight knit group of outsiders. You thrived on being different than "in crowd". Therefore had no worries about climbing up the social ladder because you and your group had found a position that you were comfortable in. But you still cared about having that status. Had it been lost you would have been back at the bottom of ladder searching for acceptance.
i thought HS was gay and skipped alot, didnt rly care either tbqh.
That Marilyn Manson quote is constantly taken out of context. The question that was asked to him was "What would you say to the people of Colorado if you had to chance to speak with them?" and that was how he responded to the question asked. People constantly think he is responding to what he would say to the shooters, and he wasn't talking about that. Manson very much distanced himself from the Columbine shooters and never condoned what they did and agreed it was a horrific act and had zero sympathy for the shooters. Manson responded this way because he realized that the Columbine shooting was being used as a pawn for political matters and for the media to spin the story in every which direction without anyone actually talking to the community and seeing how they felt about the tragedy and what they think should be done moving forward.
EDIT: Here is an exact timestamp from the interview that OP is talking about
Is the issue really what you guys picture it to be? Because there are shootings only in the States.
You might want to rephrase, that to there's an overwhelming amount of shootings in the U.S Western world. Attacks on schools, hospitals, and the public in general happen quite frequently in the developing world. Considering America's place politically, economically, and socially, it's an outlier for these types of terrorist attacks.
Idk I think our society has some reflecting to do. We have a. very dysfunctional culture & in many levels it's causing serious social issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk&t=9s
Still doesn’t explain why school shootings rarely happen in other countries compared to us.
If it's the western world why are school shooting only a common occurrence in America?
The male loser only applies to a portion of the school shooters and them being losers for some of them was because they pushed away people very harshly who tried to befriend them.
Some were just evil psychopaths, the columbine massacres attackers were known bullies and had social circles. There was that indian kid in washington that had girlfriends and was popular he still shot up the school. The virgina tech shooter would creep on girls in the bathroom and when people tried to befriend him he would theaten them. Even elliot roger had people try to befriend him because they saw him alone all the time, but it wasn't good enough because they didn't worship him. In fact elliot roger would bully his meek room mates.
The solution is actual treatment for psychopathy and identifying it since there really is none. I know of one psychopath personally from highschool that joined a local Antifa group that has had boyfriends and girlfriends. That psychopath Antifa member got arrested recently for making threats flashing knives at a parking lot church bakesale saying he was going to run them over before he stabs them. The guy only got a slap on the wrist.
That example is why shit is so fucked up in the US. No one wants to address the fact that some people in our society have mental problems none of us could fathom. Just let him go bc he probably didn’t mean it is most likely what the cops said in the person you knows specific case. Very fucked up that shit like your example barely bats an eye and people are going crazy over how some celebrity or Joe Schmoe said something insensitive once. No one wants to acknowledge that truly uncomforting and fucked up stuff happens every day. Easier to ignore it than examine it and try to solve it. In its own way this post is an example of that just in RP terms.
Yes its quite common for the abuser to be given a pass as having a "bad day" and people will make up excuses as to why they had a "bad day" which completly forgets the fact that the abuser attitude is psychopathic and not normal. Instead the victim gets salt thrown in their wound being told to forgive them from a ignorant society. While the abusers whole attitude and actions is never truly punished and the abuser realizes they can get away with more.
Like the kid psychopath in a family getting special treatment from the parents for being a narcissistic fuck up is all too common.
Cops often have a apathetic attitude about violent threats or attempted violence like road rage, weapon flashing an in so don't want to deal with it at all letting them go.
People are just way to naive to think that people they are friends or family that exhibit these behaviors can't be evil.
No, cops enforce the laws, which generally require that a violent threat involve specific language and a witness (which rarely happens)
Weapon flashing, until very recently, was not illegal unless you pointed the gun at the victim (agg assault)
Hardly think it's fair to generalize cops as apathetic when they do their jobs correctly.
A man whose life is not valued is a pawn and a man who doesn't value his own life is dangerous to society.
And a man who values no life but his own is praised and raised to public office.
Or he is wildly successful in the private sector.
Not everyone is dumb enough to go into politics.
Not dumb enough? Or smart enough
People who think presidents are as kings are as ignorant as they come. Who do you think has the power, the politicians, or the lobbyists paying them?
A president can take money from all lobbyists.
Lobbyists only have 1 president to pay.
Dumb enough. Ask Pai and Trump.
That second statement is very, very true our society severally underestimates a man with nothing to lose or a loose cannon. We're capable of devastating things. It needs to be fostered & channeled into productive growth instead of languishing in wait in the dark.
After the last big shooting I was talking with a colleague of mine [f]. I mentioned that they do it for the fame and the recognition in addition to expressing anger. She then made a remark about shooters all being "virgin losers" to which I responded "maybe if society didn't teach young men that their worth is directly measured by the number of bitches they slept with..."
That shut her up faster than anything I've ever witnessed.
Amazing. These kids are bullied and rediculed until they snap. Yet her first reaction is to redicule?
I’d say the amount of money you make far trumps how much pussy you get. There are homeless men out there getting laid regularly but I doubt they have much value.
That's because money begets pussy. One option gives you both, and the other is great in the short run, but you can't earn dividends on pussy.
Yikes great retort.
Sounds like a feminist talking point. I agree it can be harmful but I don't think it's societal or socially constructed. Being able to achieve sexual success is an act of competence. And competence allows you to rise in hierarchies.
I disagree. Women are the bottom rung of the ladder of competence if there is one. I.e. If prison inmates, drug dealers who live with their mom, and homeless men can get laid maybe we shouldn't use the sort of women women are attracted to to determine a man's competence in providing something of value to society.
I think the news mentioned how he also might have had fetal alcohol syndrome. There should be SEVERE punishments for women who are drinking and drugging it up during their pregnancies.
I believe his mother died and him and his brother went into an adoptive family. As horrible as this is and lamenting for deaths of the victims.. it’s really sad that a mestizo orphan kid was so lost and isolated and angry that the only group who took him in was a (alleged) white supremacist militia group.
I saw some idiot on Facebook make a comment about “what kind of idiot with a last name like that joins a white nationalist group?!” .. gee probably the same type of guy in the Middle East who joins isis.. lost hopeless no family and angry/resentful beyond most people’s imaginations.
It’s tragically ironic that a white nationalist militia was the only group interested in taking this kid under their wing after so called progressive institutions like public education target him as a violent threat and fear him. Makes me angry and sick. Although maybe he was beyond saving I don’t know..
Not (allegedly) true. It was a 4chan prank
God damn it 4chan. I even heard people at work saying he was a white supremacist; I’m beyond sure CNN and the rest of MSM sounded their “Yes, we have a white racist!” alarms all over the news.
What's 4chan doing here that's not happening on a daily basis?
So much spin and misdirection. It's really no surprise is it.
popping out their non-alcoholic champagne and oreo cookies (at least the cookies are diverse!)
As a bartender, it is completely illegal for me to refuse service to a pregnant woman. If she orders 3 shots and 2 beers over the course of a couple of hours or so, I cannot refuse service on the basis that she's pregnant.
A fetus is not “legally” a human...
Yet if you kill a pregnant woman the embryo is a legal victim, right? The hypocrisy never ends.
It is charged as murder if someone besides the mother kills “it.” That means the unborn baby is legally —in these cases— considered human.
Besides, the point here is that the unborn baby should be considered human, which would mean the bartender should have the right and duty to refuse serving alchol to the mother.
Human being. The unborn “fetus” is a human by virtue of its genetic make up. The word being means living. The fetus (baby) is alive. It’s human, it’s alive, Ergo the baby-in-womb is a human being. Regardless of what the State may say.
that makes no sense, if it's a human if someone other than the mother kills it then if the mom kills it it should be called a human
That's so outrageous!! Makes my blood boil. I hope you never actually had to experience that, because I imagine that would be a difficult situation for you.
These women fuck up their kids before they're even born, and then send them into society with all these mental handicaps and issues. I read an article on Jezebel (eye-roll) where they were arguing about how mothers who were shooting heroin while pregnant shouldn't get any jail time, and should keep their babies, and just get counseling. I have no words, just #RAGE
Bro what the fuck. How WHy, dont they care about the life of the future kid. woah
Yea, we have some serious social/cultural issues in this society.
I'ma pull a Zizec here and say that the only reason for a school shooting or really any postmodern degeneracy is a passion for the Real.
The basic premise is that we live in an inauthentic society of spectacle and consumerism. People don't have the opportunity to experience authentic Being as they used to and only experience a simulacra of it through a screen. Furthermore people are forced into artificial inauthentic behavior and situations such as sitting behind a desk for years on end while having their words policed.
It's always those most isolated from authentic existance: the Bloopsters, the spergies, the weirdos, the drama girls that go full throttle into degeneracy in a desperate attempt to feel something.
School shootings are suicides. Suicide for those who are powerless, and hate their social exclusion. They allow the shooter some control in planning their last day, and to experience ultimate power in their social setting for that final day/hours, and inflict fear and pain upon the general group whom they blame their suicide upon. Doing so legitimatizes and elevates their status from invisible to celebrity (although they don't get to live out that status).
Most shocking thing I read skimming headlines about this Parkland Fl. Shooter was that he was charged with murder. I'm desensitized to any shock of news of a shooting by now, but I'm shocked when they are too cowardly to finish the act, once rounds are spent and paramilitary inevitably closes in. I never considered that he was alive.
Yes they are losers, and yes, the worst part of their life (in their minds) is being denied a sex life. Certainly part of a denial/isolation from authentic existence.
There are other suicides like watching your wife get creampied, bringing refugees into the country or letting your 14 year old daughter booty short around town.
School Shootings are just the most extreme manifestation
Probably true. A commenter over at CH left an insightful comment back when the Elliot Rodger rampage happened:
The Stark Truth Also I don’t think sexual frustration is the spark but it adds fuel to the fire. The main reason we see people end like this, is our society has become totally automized. You get people especially secular whites who totally lack any sense of belonging or community.In a collectivist society your worth is based on your religion or ethnicity but in a hyper individualistic one if you don’t achieve success as an individual than you are deemed worthless. That’s why the majority of spree shooters have been from secular white backgrounds but Elliot being biracial only exasterbated that lack of sense of belonging and identity.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/07/10/a-family-friend-tried-to-help-elliot-rodger-meet-girls/
Eh, gonna have to disagree. I think most school shooter situations like this boil down to the hopelessness of being an omega male, coupled with mental illness. These tend to be desperate, low value males acting out. Although I’ll agree with you somewhat due to the fact that these are low value males in the context/backdrop of a society slipping into nihilistic instincts.
That said, you bring up an extremely important point to red pill discussion generally. There’s way too little talk about that baudrillard/Zizek/etc analysis of the postmodern condition and just how ruthlessly inauthentic it is. Just about everything does indeed boil down to an abyss of the Real. Everything these days is LARPing. It’s incredible. Everything from faux-90s fashion, to mustaches with suspenders, to these wannabe “movements” that don’t really do anything other than emulate some shit they saw on the history channel. In the 21st century so far, the simulacrum is devouring all. Although I think we could be violently thrust back into a confrontation with the Real very soon here if economic depression or geopolitical tension breaks out.
Can you throw me some context for this? Are they posters on reddit or something? Are you talking about Jean Baudrillard and Slavoj Zizek?
Lol yeah they’re not reddit posters. They’re European postmodern thinkers.
I’m all with Jordan Peterson in his critique of the leftist postmodernism, but he really uses “postmodernism” incorrectly there. Postmodernism is a large umbrella of ideas, some of which are very important and valid insights. It just sucks because other branches of postmodern thought has been used to go down this ridiculous path that the current left has, the neo Marxist stuff.
But yeah slavoj Zizek and jean baudrillard.
Baudrillard wrote an important work like 35-40 years ago already noticing the artificiality of everything in the late 20th century world. Everything seemed to be a LARPy imitation of something in the past which was more real. In our present day, after the internet and even more deterioration of genuine culture, this has proven to be a monumental insight.
Zizek is a more radical thinker. He’s an old school Marxist and a Freudian/Lacanian/Hegelian. That shit gets pretty obscure if you don’t have a background in philosophy. But I actually do really enjoy factoring in his critiques of modern society. I’m more libertarian so I completely disagree with his Marxist stuff, but he really is able to point out the bullshit of neoliberal society.
He's always 110% real with his analysis.
People on the bottom are dangerous, for everyone.
A bit of a stretch to assert that is the only reason. Many shootings are perpetrated by lunatics whose motivations are unclear. While Žižek's thoughts are certainly resounding in our current era, I think it's possibly a misrepresentation of his thesis, and insufficient to explain or guarantee the motives of mass murderers. Particularly if it is felt by all of us. That said, many killers seem to be disenfranchised men. So there's at least a correlation. But what else?
I am interested to explore further this idea of authentic existence. What is it exactly, and why are "Bloopsters" most isolated from it? What makes their lives less authentic? Perhaps their lives are more authentic, and it is the rest of us that are living untruthfully. Our inherent desire for that to be false should serve as an indication that it might not be.
The thing about anger that many people don't understand, is that it is often met with anger. Go around as a society spewing vitriol at men (or anyone for that matter), and don't be surprised if it is met with a lashback. Equal and opposite reactions.
Like you said, no excuse for what happened. But if we want to improve things, then we should be cognizant of the unintended consequences of our choices as a society ... not simply swept up in whatever is in fashion with the mob that day. That is a slippery slope to MeToo and the French Revolution Reign of Terror and communist purge type of stuff ...
Also, as a side note, why to be truly good with women you have to eventually move past the anger stage of TRP.
I wish I had saved it. great comment about anger
Anger is a reasonable and logic response to a situation. It's a mans way of signalling he is willing to commit violence to have his way.
It's a grievance, and until it's seen as one, it's hard to address it
If anything anger in men is seen as an unavoidable and defining shortcoming of our species. We can’t help being prone to anger because we’re brutish and prone to primitive behavior. Never mind the fact that it is men who are responsible for the bulk of societal development and said development could only have been achieved through our elevation beyond our simple primitive nature.
But society wants men to be angry and belittles our anger as nothing more than a consequence of our nature. You keep telling a person that they’ll always be one thing, and they’ll wholeheartedly believe that that’s the only thing they can be. The thought of being anything more never manifests as men are kept in their cages.
I see it all the time in asktrp. And imo the only way we can change it is to stop being so individualistic. But try explain that to a guy who’s felt alone all his life. It’s easier trying to turn water in to wine.
That's the thing it's not bad. Our society has numerous "coming of age" for women. But since "Fight club" men have ever only known shame. There needs to be guidance for young men otherwise only the talented & fittest will survive. & that's a recipe for disaster in a socially dysfunctional society.
You're both right.
I agree with you. My biggest thing is the loss of the true family unit. A mother, and a father. How these two people are integral in the raising of a young man is what's critcally missing in most, if not all, of these school shooter incidents. These kids that commit these crimes are probably mentally disturbed, but I think much of this comes from not having 2 parents who are present and helping that boy understand what is real, what is fake, what is appropriate, what causes pain, how to deal with bullies, how to not be a bully, etc, etc. They are being raised by a non-existent father, a mother that is too busy with herself, and violence all around him. THIS becomes reality for him. And, in the event that the boy is still disturbed, even while being raised in a proper home, someone that is present in that child's home, in his life, would and should be able to tell that something is amiss.
These violent incidents do not have guns to blame. They don't have video games or violent movies, or comic books or bullies or ANYTHING ELSE to blame. THE LACK OF PARENTING AND LEADERSHIP AT HOME IS TO BLAME.
Men: don't have children. I have two daughters, and they work my ass relentlessly, always needing, always wanting, but what I can give them with my meager means, is a FATHER, who will say yes to their needs and wants occassionally, and NO, a hell of a lot more. And to be there telling them that a lot of what they see is bullshit. Any doubts about life or any of it's small or big decisions, they can ask me. And I watch them. I watch their ever changing moods, what they wear, who they associate with, changes in anything, I see. I might not say anything, but I notice. I'm their fucking santa claus, their tooth fairy, their prison warden.
And most of the time, I don't have to even say anything at all. But I'm there.
These young boys have no one at home that is present, or even "present" in their lives.
One of the most powerful things for a kid is just having a parent in the stands watching them play t-ball.
My mom missed my 5th grade spelling bee. And while she was an incredible, caring, and selfless women; my memory of disappointment that day always stuck with me.
wow that's powerful. Imagine never having anyone show up. I'm fortunate to not have experienced that. I always feel for the kids who don't have anyone show up. Ever.
Yea.
You summed it up perfectly my man, you are there.
Ben Shapiro mentioned this the other day with his take on the shooting. I believe he mentioned how the overwhelming majority of mass shooters are male but also they almost always have had zero male figure as a parent. I absolutely agree with what you're on about with the complete break down of parenting since the 1950s
And the first thing thrown back at you is:
It's not my fault; and
What, should we fuck losers so no one gets shot?
This is why it's difficult to have these conversations. The instant they are made, the frame is shifted immediately to solopcism. Women clearly will not, or do not want to do anything about it. So the question is. What can their fellow man do about it? Especially since there are so few male role models in school?
It's a setup for failure
Fucking losers is a shitty solution for a shitty problem.
As a former soldier you should know better - you don't hand out trophies for participating, you make boys men by giving them aim and responsibility.
Aim and responsibility and reward them with status. The status reward is pretty automatic in the military if you do your job.
No. I think that's part of the problem. Our society over values status. Everyone cannot be apart of the top 20%. As someone who's in the 35% & rising you realise that the herd thins out really quickly as you start becoming successful. & equitibility is the only long-term option.
it's too bad boy scouts got so pussified. maybe there should be some kind of "red pill scouts". instead of glamping trips with a bunch of homos, take high school kids to lift, to boxing and bjj gyms, on wilderness survival outings. somebody's gotta play catcher in the rye.
Western governments have gang raped those opportunities away by restricting what they can and cant do for the first 20 years of their lives.
I wasn't a soldier.
Also, it was a rhetorical question
Idk man. To a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Well that's just it, women can't be expected to bang people out of sympathy or threats. Women don't, and shouldn't, give sex as an act of charity. Men have to earn it by being attractive.
But what about something a little more reasonable, like people in general just befriending these people? Should we befriend losers so no one gets shot? I would guess the answer would be exactly the same.
The fact is these individuals are at the bottom of their social hierarchy, and social hierarchies are delicate things. No one, whether the jocks at the top, or the betas in the middle, or even the teachers on the outside of it, wants to disturb it. Even after experiencing a school shooting, I would bet anything that these people would continue to enforce this social hierarchy. They would literally risk their lives to maintain this social order.
How about more men volunteer with boys who are fatherless?
Why don't they?
Why don't you?
I not sure why more men don’t. I will be this summer
I dont because I hate kids...
But good on you for walking the walk, seriously
You “hate kids”? Hmmm are you over 30 yet? I can understand someone who is well under 30 with no personal introspection saying that but a grown man? You hate your underage relatives? You hate to see little kids laughing and having fun? Clarify
Alot of kids in the MMA gym. I run a couple of the kid's classes.
Some of the older teenagers today in MMA gyms suffer from a lack of a father.
Cleverly worded RP truths really straighten them out. Disentangling their perceived value from pussy and beta acceptance is the first step. Having them use that anger to fuel their weight lifting is another (I tell them the weights will make their BJJ and wrestling better, not a lie!)
I'm not sure if MMA is your cup-o-tea, but it's not just children who need help. Teens as well.
No. That would only further encourage the cancer of single moms be subsidizing their bad choices.
The young men shouldn’t have to suffer just cause their parents fucked up. You’ll get a revolving door of kids without dads
You'll further incentivize single motherhood. It's still alpha fux (the real father) and beta bux (you playing the step dad). These people need to hit rock bottom so they'll realize how bad single motherhood is and stop perpetuating it.
I don’t think so. Increased birth control and condom use would help a lot. Also men feeling more prepared for future stressors in life would curb the need to ditch the mom. You think hitting rock bottom will stop single motherhood? It exists in 3rd world countries and it doesn’t get worse then that. That’s the definition of rock bottom.
The mother is already cancerous. The kid can still grow into a functioning member of society with the right mentoring. If being a man is about building things to improve society, what's more manly then working with the hardest material (young boys and men) and building them into strong, self-sufficient men?
Yeah so cheerleaders have to fuck the “weird” kids so we don’t get shot up? As a high schooler myself I know every guy would try to become a “loser” to get that BJ.
I’ve also never had a girlfriend in high school (I’m a senior whose had multiple chances throughout it but I was a beta pussy until this school year). I know kids who don’t have girlfriends and they’re not about to kill anyone.
Case in point. Did you do that intentionally? I was referring to how women can't look past the finger when you point at something.
Big picture, focus on the welcome statement.
No I didn’t do it intentionally. I was a beta who texted my oneitis every day until I realized I was not getting anywhere and I stopped. Then a year later I found TRP and it all made sense.
I wonder, if a guy had the prefect storm of propensity for mental illness, access to weapons, and a grievance against the bp dream, would that same TRP roadmap changed his path?
No, but I bet you have parents that care.
Yea, you're right. Women are inherently defensive & have no self-insight into their actions. It's just the way they are.
Women need to give their children a good father.
They have one job.
I have sympathy for most things, but I do not have sympathy for people blaming others for things that only they can fix.
The Florida shooter had a girlfriend.
Agree, When I was in Highschool, I didn't do the blowjob thing, but I did spend most of my time with the guys/girls at the bottom of my school hierarchy. I make it an effort to talk and spend time with those guys/girls. Every year for Valentine's day I would bake them cookies and write a personal note. Sometimes, people just need to know that someone acknowledges their existence. I think we should all make a conscious effort to treat people with kindness. I remember one guy who kind of had the mass shooter personality and I became really good friends with totally change he was no longer the sad and depressed guy in the background. He just wanted a friend (girlfriend too?)
So true!! One conversation could change someone life.
My one concern is that guys who are this desperate tend to fall in love with anything that gave them an ounce of kindness. Which is why how you reject a guy is very important. I think there is a correct way to reject a guy, I just think girls nowadays get off on that.
Everything you said is true. When I was in High School, the most popular guy in school (he went on later to become an actual runway model) befriended the most bullied, weakest kid in school, for no other reason than he wanted to and because he saw something great in him. That kid was protected from then on and he completely flourished. He started dressing better, his grades went up, he started getting invited to parties, his entire demeanour changed. It was the most amazing thing and I'll never forget it. There are so many kids starving for kindness and friendship and it's so easy to make a huge impact on their lives.
One of my buddies taught his little brother to always befriend and stand up for bullied kids and I think I’ll do the same if I ever have kids.
Easier said than done tbh.
The problem with the perpetually bullied and/or ignored is that the bullying and ostracizing doesn't appear out of thin air.
To pick the admittedly extreme case of Elliot Rodger: Would you have wanted to be friends with that guy? Probably not.
And now think of a less severe but still serious scenario - a guy who is awkward and/or boring, has weird hobbies and interests (like collecting roadkill or whatever), possibly offends your aesthetic sensibilities (fat, smelly, ugly etc.), may not even be that nice in the first place for whatever reason (maybe he's a know-it-all, maybe he has a temper or whatever) and suddenly what sounds great on paper turns out to be something you'd rather leave to others.
Thanks to movies and TV, I think people romanticize this notion of befriending the likable loser with a preconceived idea or appearance in mind.
True, But I don't give a shit. If you think about most things discussed on this sub is easier said than done, but you still keep trying and pushing.
For me in particular, yes. I spent all of the time with really weird kids. Yesterday, I threw a party for an Elliot Rodger weird type guy. Picture a guy who extremely hates women and been in a couple of mental institution. I have been trying to build this guys trust for the past year. The purpose of the party was for him to make friends and I have to say I have never seen him smile like that. Sometimes these guys never leave their rooms and they don't have any friends. Whenever I see someone not making friends or having trouble I immediately invite them to hang out with me.
True, that is why I don't really expect others to do this. It is something I am passionate about. However, I do not hang around people who do not befriend people because they are weird. My last boyfriend said my friends are weird and he doesn't like them. Dumped his ass. But this is literally because I was that weird person at one point in my life and decided to change. I can usually relate to a lot of issues. I just hope I can influence other to do the same.
This is why women aren't allowed here, your input on the male experience isn't welcome because you have no such knowledge. This is our Lockeroom.
GTFO.
Boys and girls shit test just like the rest of us. If a troubled young man passes all the shit tests, he will be accepted into the social hierarchy and start climbing. If he fails all of those shit tests, he will stay entrenched at the bottom. He will continue to get shit on an fail and feel all of the negative emotions associated.
This is great. We should all reach out to that person in our lives because there is always someone.
Spend a day on asktrp and you'll see that doesn't really mean that much...
I have and I know, I was just responding to the fact that OP said that these shooters don't have girlfriends, a lot of them do.
Nice of you, but others probably looked upon this as pity. That is no fault of yours, but the only thing lower than a loser is a loser who is pitied. Every time one of those people smiled from your genuine act of kindness there were others laughing behind their back about how much of a "joke" it was that the person thought you actually liked them.
No, It did not come across as pity because I would bake everyone in my school cookies, but I might add a note to theirs or just have a conversation when I give it to them or invite them to hang out. I just included them.
Yea, you're right. They do. I was discussing this with a female friend of mine the other night. She dropped a female friend of hers because she was mistreating a guy friend. I said to her, "some guys just don't have enough experience" & it takes a lot more these days; similar to talent under capitalism to survive then it used to.
I was as blue as the sky in high school, and this was a time before the internet, and social networks and tinder. So wasn't so bad as a beta, Chad couldn't fuck as many girls as today, and usually you could get laid.
Not me tough, I was the blue aspberger syndrome, the loner, your typical school shooter. I tried to kill myself a couple of times but nothing seriously. I just grew up that phase when I started college.
I can see now there is a much higher proportion of young men that suffer exactly this, now truly only the 20% get to have "social life" while the other 80% are invisible to girls. Back then it wasn't as bad, maybe only with a 20-30% lone virgins.
I can see this increase of male invisibility draws the extreme cases to self-destruction and/or shootings that basically is the same thing. It's an angry suicide.
I’m in college right now and 80% of the guys on campus are literally invisible. When I’m bored, I people watch and see so many depressed looking guys. Average isn’t enough these days and that leaves so many guys behind
Well, what about socializing institutions? I'd suggest Boy Scouts, but that's already becoming converged. What appeals to guys like this? Radicalism. So what you need is an organization which looks radical, but actually turns them into men with some semblance of masculinity, self-assurance, and socialization. Something that looks cool and tames their autism, drives them into physical culture, into a brotherhood of some sort, develops some competence, and facilitates their interaction with women through some kind of social function—dances and the like.
Damn shame no one wants to step in and help young male teenagers...
Because young men who need help can't really be considered 'men'. Men are supposed to be able to handle their problems which is where most of the hatred and disgust for struggling guys stems from.
Which really only makes sense and works when you live a society that naturally teaches boys to be confident and self-reliant. A father teaches his sons to be capable young men, they have children and teach their sons the same, and so on. Generations of boys who were taught all of these skills by fathers and grandfathers long before they ever enter the social scene and get put to the test. A boy should be taught how to dress, how to act, how to change a tire, how to do a full day's work without complaint, the value of money and how effort combined with intelligence yield personally satisfying results, etc years before he even starts thinking about girls as anything more than "yucky with cooties". By the time a boy is 12 or 14, he should already have a few years of being taught all the valuable skills he'll need by a father who was taught the same from his father. Then as the boy grows into a man, that father is there to help hone those lessons, disciplining when necessary, rewarding the good, slowly adding more rights and privileges while removing limitations year by year (while teaching the connection between the two) so that by the time the boy is an adult, he is more than capable of living his own life on his own terms, fending for himself with a keen and sharp mind, a fit and healthy body, with the drive to achieve and the social, mental, and physical skills neccessary to pull it off.
Women want men to be that ready-made package deal and scoff at the idea of a man needing help, and men also expect other men to just be ready to be men. While this might seem cruel, it's also not wrong if that man had a childhood with a father who was preparing him for this.
Alas, that is no longer the case for a significant portion of boys, which is why the whole system breaks down. Boys don't really have fathers anymore, so they're still inept and listless by the time they're in their late teens and 20s. They don't have the skills to teach their own kids when they knock some girl up, and were never taught how to find a woman worth having kids with (meanwhile feminism successfully destroyed raising girls into women worth having kids with, but that's another topic), and they either end up ditching the kid or just being a shitty father.
The whole cycle relies on an unbroken chain of fathers and grandfathers raising boys to be good men (and mothers and daughters raising girls to be good women, but again, another topic). That chain got broken, so here we are.
I'm never been affiliated with them but that sounds like the Mormon church. I think in this case religion would be an improvement (I'm usually vehemently atheist).
steps that don’t involve prostitution. 1. Predicting crime in Chicago was 60 minutes segment that was trying lowering crime by predicting who was at risk, and having community leaders and law enforcement talk to the individuals. Same process, small changes. 2. If possible push for them to visit a trade school for a week visit, where they use their hands, or martial arts classes, something physical to understand pain and healthy body competition 3. Their problem is with existence itself, maybe push for a 12 step program about screen reduction, church, or therapy program with wood chopping so the emotions can be expressed with a counselor (non-female), meditation focusing on small steps towards the active future. 4. Add to 2 more cops to schools for the state, (probably country) for trial period of 90 days after a shooting which will probably be extended to forever, but I would like to give schools less of a prison vibe. 5. Law enforcement and outreach course as optional class for High school mandatory for at risk youths. 6. Push for basics ROTC training again for high risk youth minus gun training. 7. Maybe A male recess teacher for grade schools who understands aggressive behavior, so they learn to “fight it out,” and when to stop. This job could done in a month. 8. There also the fame component to this, no mail from the outside world except family and lawyer, the Batman shooter had all of these pictures from very attractive females, very damaged individuals “who were in love with him,” gross behavior. 9. TV have to black bar the their eyes when showing the shooter, Or pay heavy FCC fine. If cursing isn’t okay then showing their face is far more obscene and reckless.
Prior to the 21st century (we’ll not exactly true still happens) before these guys got too resentful and went postal.. they were probably used as human shields, or for suicide attacks.
The only time in their lives they get any “praise” or heroism in society is when their brokenness is manipulated for group advantage. Quite tragic and sad.
I was accidentally/naturally Red pill in high school I was average looking, but skinny for a time (senior year I took weight lifting class 90mins a day all year and that changed), good grades, and a computer geek. Although at that time people called us computer wizards and did not make fun of us for it as we helped everyone with computer problems and they all knew STEM was making money, but I still picked up girls. None of my friends in computer class could get a girl they all looked at me with wonder and or disgust when I would hang with girls or go to parties. I saw that Elliot Rodger look in their eyes. I had to get all of them dates for dances and now looking back I see that my example helped them. I never realized it for a long time but them asking questions about every detail of my relationships was them asking "How the fuck did you lay that pussy pedestal cheerleader!?" Spread the wealth guys, teach your friends. I got enjoyment from it, these guys had never seen a IRL bare set of tits at age 16-19. One guy Chris was so afraid of girls he formed a stutter trying to talk to girls. I would throw parties a week before dances and hook all my friends up. In the summer times it was good old fashion American drunken barn parties where my friends got to test the waters for themselfs. By the time college came around school work was top priority for them not sex/girls, it was much more healthy. Looking back I know it helped them alleviate that tension and it made them a better student/person to experience a girls touch. I'm not saying anyone of them would have shot up a place but you just never know these days.
It's going to get worse.
I was just thinking about this. Why doesn't Mexico have mass school shootings dominating their media? Don't they have lunatics south of the border? Of course they do. However their lunatics just join a drug cartels and dismember rival gang members for fun and post videos of it on youtube. Or you can pack your bags for Syria and play the same game but to a different tune. Malcontents and crazy people will always exist. The question is what mechanism is in place to manage it.
For several hundred years in America, the mechanism was white, christian community values. Men yielded power in their community and cleansed them of problems like this kid, either by forcing him to get his shit together or by ousting him. They promoted good behavior and crushed bad behavior--at the local, community level. Now? Those are the exact people under attack. They want to take our guns and silence us. They want a big government to hunt down the trouble makers and deal with it, so the rest of us won't have to do it.
The problem is clearly a big government can't do it. They failed to do it here. They are failing to do it in South America. Last time I checked the Middle East is still a colossal clusterfuck. It was the values of individual people that controlled this, not an uncaring mass entity that serves its own purposes.
So yeah. These young boys will continue to be under attack. Actual lunatics will slip through the system and do all sorts of horrors. Disenfranchised young men, facing no alternatives, will idolize their acts and copy them. The default state for every young male is becoming that of a criminal--a rapist, a violent offender and an oppressor. And when everyone is a criminal, no one cares about the law. And in the end there will be no one to defend the system.
Enjoy the decline.
So true. It won’t get better. All these “new dawn” cuckservstives are fucking delusional. As are these idiot liberals thinking the government can solve all the problems w the right policy, and anyone who disagrees isn’t “compassionate” enough. Holy fuck the whole thing just disgusts me to my core.
In my country, male teachers were once considered to be well above your father in terms of respect.
Now-a-days you think of male teachers in schools and the first thought that comes to mind is pedophilia. It's a shame.
I don't think that. Where is your mind?
We need more make teachers and perpetuating this stigma doesn't help.
I'm not perpetuating it. My best teachers were male and their ability to command a classroom by just presence was something else. But look, I come from halfway around the world from the states and even here male teachers are a minority in schools (I think that's also partially because the very good ones run their own private centres, but still).
It's just the way society's becoming -- the educational system doesn't do much good for boys these days.
yep, male teachers cant even be left in a room with another person without the pedo vibe, i used to work in child care and the fucking looks i got for playing with the kids.
The mechanism was "community" it wouldn't have mattered if the value were asian and buddhist.
That community was run by males (and sometimes females) with wisdom and life experience. Not only do we have a lack of community nowadays but a lack of respect towards the elderly whose years of knowledge could help us immensely in solving our problems at a local level.
Cue to a 19 year old pseudo social justice thot calling a world war 2 veteran a nazi unironically
Haha it’s both hilarious and revolting at the same time
^ I was being specific. Don't read too much into it.
Nobody wants to silence anyone or take any of your guns. But to say that guns aren’t an issue is ignorant. This is the only first world country where this happens regularly. And guns of course aren’t the cause or even the main issue, but the bottom line is this type of destruction isn’t possible without a killing machine. Nobody should be against more intensive background checks and the closing of some gun related legal loopholes.
If you want to ask yourself why this happens, look no further than the media coverage of these events as well as the disinfranchisement of young men on the bottom of the social ladder. The hopeless and bitter will go to extreme lengths, and while most losers wallow in self pity and defeat, some channel their anger into destruction.
Bullshit. Have you even read this thread?
This kid was already afoul of multiple laws for many years. Which loophole do we need to close to fix that? You want to a rely on a system that has no incentive to perform. That's dangerously ignorant.
And yes, they will go to "extreme lengths" so why do you think disarming the normal population is going to make one bit of difference?
Unfortunately.
Isn't this what Jordan Peterson talks about?
This has been my argument for terrorist organizations that seem to thrive in the actual desert. Why do people join? Because their lives suck.
It's not more complicated than that. I could easily see my self becoming a terrorist if I lived under the same circumstances, with the same rhetoric directing my anger into hated towards others.
How do you stop it from happening? Make their lives suck less.
Give a loser an uninspired blow job, dramatically decrease school shootings. Give a desert dweller air conditioning, clean water, and an uninspired blow job, end the war on terror. It seems ridiculous, but it's basic human nature.
It reminds me of Col. Hans Landa from Inglorious Bastards, comparing hiding Jews to rats and Nazis to hawks.
"Consider, for a moment, the world a rat lives in. It's a hostile world, indeed. Where does the hawk look? He looks in the barn, he looks in the attic, he looks in the cellar, he looks everywhere he would hide. But there's so many places it would never occur to a hawk to hide. However, the reason the Führer has brought me off my Alps in Austria and placed me in French cow country today is because it does occur to me. Because I'm aware of the tremendous feats human beings are capable of once they abandon dignity"
These extremist outliers have no dignity. A blow job would really go a long way.
Bread and circuses. The ruling class has known for a long time that as long as people are fed and entertained, they'll do little more than complain.
I'd wager that video games have actually prevented a lot of killings because they keep incels placated. Unfortunately, teenage male sex drive is often too high for simple distractions to work, hence why shooters are young men.
Yea. Weeds next? That's it. People need to take action. Complaints are going to cut it.
The men who carried out the London terrorist acts several years ago where highly skilled in society (lawyer and doctor iirc). Isis has plenty of engineers as well.
Also as far as giving these men better conditions, I believe Sweden wanted to give isis members free housing if they denounced their allegiance to the group.
The men who carried out the London terrorist acts and the Isis engineers were probably feeling the same way. I don't think it misses the point of the OP.
Sweden is a different conversation.
Very true.
The US needs to legalise prostitution at federal level immediately. This is the best way to provide frustrated youths with an outlet for relief.
The problem is the feminisation of society. Not mental health or gun laws. Before one could simply fuck up the person who wronged them. This is not the case because most men run to the police or try and suit when attacked especially in middle class communities. Before these men woul have been derided for acting like pathetic pitiful bitches. Now it is acceptable and deemed socially unacceptably to resort to fists if someone wrongs you.
Consequebtly, most men or boys will bitch on social media. Before the rise of feminism the there were no cases of school shootings.
These shootings are symptomatic of male suppression both sexually and also in terms of the ability of a man to obtain justice in the easiest and cheapest way possible - Through his fists.
We need to see feminism for socially corrosive cancer that it truly is and deal with it appropriately by putting these dogs back in their place.
UNIVERSAL BASIC GIRLFRIEND NOW
That'd solve a lot of problems but who fights it tooth and nail? Feminists and women's groups. They think it's degrading.
What they really don't like is their power will disappear overnight.
This is really well-written and I agree entirely, though it doesn't solve anything.
Because it's true, women shouldn't have to fuck loser men who don't try to improve. Women can't understand the concept of sexual frustration and what it does to a man when everything society tells you is against what your needs are. It's a completely foreign idea that sounds ridiculous.
The solution to stop men from behaving this way is embracing masculinity, which has already been dubbed as "toxic" anyway.
That is interesting- women who complain about weak, loser men yet hate masculinity.
Thats the whole idea behind exposing people to the red pill-showing them the truth of female nature
Ohhhhh shit. Government subsidized sex robots.
4-6% of ALL gun crime in America is perpetrated with legally obtained firearms.. Retract the second amendment and ~95% of gun crime continues while the overzealous government plots on a way to oppress us further
We have killed God, the family, and the community, and we have replaced them with the state, porn, and facebook.
Frustrated males at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy have always existed since the beginnings of humanity. It is not a modern phenomenon. Just look at the story of Cain, he's basically the ancient prototype of the school shooter.
Personally I don't see a solution to this problem, in every kind of social hierarchy you will have individuals at the bottom, and these will often be resentful and seek revenge.
The difference is that these men in the past did not have automatic rifles that can kill dozens of people within a minute. Guns do play a role, even though Americans don't want to hear it. There are far less mass shootings in Europe, and I wouldn't say that men are less frustrated over here.
Idk man.. in every case of school shooters it really goes back to a root problem that most of them are emotionally broken tortured individuals.
You can be at the bottom of hierarchies and still smile. I see Mexican guys in New York who probably sleep in shifts and live on bread and salt smiling. It’s because they have fraternal bonding and a sense of belonging..
Every school shooter situation the individual is often isolated and their parents are either not present, gave up, or abusive. Some cases the kid is on psychiatric meds.
Also lots of men in the past way more than today died in battle. I would not doubt militaries would use individuals like this for suicide attacks just like they did in ww2 japan and today in the Middle East.
When people hear the term "social hierarchies" the first thing they think of is money, or political influence. But these Mexicans are not at the bottom of the social hierarchy if they have friends and loved ones who value them. Not many people outside of Red Pill circles consider status as being so heavily tied to your social lives.
Over at PPD a lot of people gawked when I said that being able to get you into clubs is a mark of status. They dismissed it as teenage bullshit, and real men and women don't care about that sort of thing. Yet if you look around you see successful women well into their 30s and 40s swooning over guys who do exactly that.
People need friends more than they need money. If you are alone, having money just feels empty.
its an unfortunate cost of freedom. theres a reason America decayed from marxist influences much slower than europe.
similar to the breakdown of the marriage contract. there was a point where both parties had some degree of power so it was a negotiation. there was the option for either party to go nuclear but both wanted to avoid it at all costs because both would suffer from the decision. now, theres really no reason for a chick not to walk - in fact she has a financial incentive. Europeans cant easily fight marxist destruction. Theyre stuck either taking it on the chin or running and never really having a home. And ultimately, failing to fight marxism leads to 1940's Germany... something nobody really escaped.
We can debate all day how to reduce the negative impact of the mentally ill but ultimately the number of deaths needs to be in the millions before we can say simply taking guns away is the lesser evil.
Damn. That last line hit me like a ton of bricks. I was raised by a military father who strongly supported the second amendment. Although my own beliefs are less strong, I do fear what can happen when you combine and unarmed populace with a tyrannical government.
This line of thinking is absolutely comical. If the government decided to become “tyrannical” there isn’t a fucking thing a bunch of armed civilians could do about it. Your AR-15 isn’t going to do much do the tank rolling down your neighborhood street.
Please, tell me about the supposed advantages of guns. I'm not even being sarcastic here, this is something that I genuinely never understood.
The reason that Marxism has had a larger impact in Europe is that, guess what, it was invented here. Originally by the Germans Marx and Engels and then modified by the French Postmodernists. There was less Marxist influence in America because the Marxist activist groups where thousands of miles away, and back then there was no internet that allowed ideas to spread across the entire globe in a short amount of time. It had absolutely nothing to do with access to guns (sorry, but what a stupid to say lol).
I have never heard any convincing pro gun arguments (especially for automatic weapons), only "muh 2nd amendment/American values/muh freedom" etc.
Free access to guns does not make a country safer, the exact opposite is the case.
The availability of guns in a classically liberal society has to do with preventing the central government from having a Monopoly on Violence ... it is not about guns themselves per se. Many of us have forgotten what used to happen when kings and autocrats wielded such a monopoly. I explained the full reasoning behind this here:
https://www.illiberal-liberal.com/2017/11/a-monopoly-on-violence-the-2nd-amendment-and-guns/
There is no credible & statistically significant link between violent crime rates and gun laws, for or against them. If you want to be a facial and trample on individual rights for the good of the whole, there are much more effective ways to do it. For example, in the US there is an extremely high correlation between violent crimes and % of the population that is black (obviously not condoning banning black people, only a fascist would want to remove individual freedoms like that)
Actually it does. Obama's own CDC study states it.
The difference is that high schools are almost literal hell on earth where a bullied kid has zero options except for assault. I'd argue not getting pussy ranks outside of top 10 for reasons for school shootings
Maybe. But if they got pussy the other reasons would seem way less significant.
There hasn't been a homicide committed with an automatic weapon since the 1930s.
Legal automatic weapon to be specific.
There are angry young men feeling disenfranchised in every country. The difference is accessibility to high powered weapons.
Fear not. If an AR is illegal for private citizens in your country (i.e. in Mexico), our federal government will smuggle some in for you.
Means are the easy part. Will is the hard part.
There's plenty of will here in Australia, but means are very difficult. Which is why we don't have school shootings.
We do have high suicide rates though for young men.
That supports my point.
Culturally you are very different. But don't worry; you'll get there.
"Isnt it strange how mental illness hardly massacres anyone in Canada, Australia and United Kingdom" ... Were right above ya bud and influenced heavily by your country... we also have good gun control
I'm from New York, actually. And the cultures are pretty fucking similar. Someone in outer Melbourne ran down some people with a car yesterday. Same thing happened in the city center a year ago. If people had access to weapons that can kill people rapidly, we'd have shootings like the US, too. The difference is the access.
There is no solution. There will always be loser males in every society. Hell, nature made it so by having a surplus of men (usually a lot would die off and they're meant to compete). Not even a super conservative society with functioning families, gender separated schools and a guaranteed female works (there aren't enough).
There hasn't been a mass school incident with pipe bombs, an axe or a canister of gas. Killing 17 people with an axe is next to impossible if they're running away.
Pretty sure there were many pipe bombs used by the columbine shooters...
Also man in the past weren't able to see the whole picture, because there weren't social medias. Now with all the social media and internent you can easily see where you sand in the social hierarchy.
The kid involved with the shooting was a victim of rape and molestation, and honestly he looks inbred and might be autistic. If you're suggesting a lack of sex or female interaction amongst men is causing these shootings, then clearly the problem is mental weakness in society. The sole issue is proper societal values.
Family values have been destroyed, and now you're seeing a lot of rogue teenagers out here doing whatever the hell it is they want. It was just a year ago that a 17 year old being charged with murder, cut off his ankle monitor and went from Texas all the way to New Jersey and was making music and committing crimes on the run.
Come to find out, this kids dad was mostly uninterested in taking care of him and left him to buy his own clothes, food, and really just let the kid do whatever. Both the kids parents were crips. It was just an all around shitty situation.
If someone is shooting because life is lame, then honestly, fuck them.
God damn I had to scroll forever to find this but thank god I did.
I think it's idiotic to say lack of sex and female attention is the root of this. Like you said, wrongful societal values. Are feminists and the far left pushing agendas that destroy basic societal values...yes. Is it women not blowing losers in their school the cause of mass shootings, no.
IMO, Core values in America are being destroyed because of agendas like the feminist agenda suggesting there is no difference in genders. There ARE differences in genders and those differences are the basis of the family structure.
Does Hollywood push an agenda that treats sex like it's no big deal, yes and I think that leads to undermining family values as well.
The problem is caused by a vast amount of complicated variables. But this post was kinda missing the boat.
Expanding on your cheerleader BJ suggestion (which btw I think should take place at least once per semester, not once a year), imagine if all men had access to top notch pussy as often as they’d like, kinda like a society where prostitution was legal in every country and not stigmatized. I hypothesize there would be a huge drop in crime rates in about every corner of the world. The entire female imperative relies on the power pussy holds over male biological urges.
Notice how you don't hear about mass killings happening very often in countries where prostitution is legal..
Right? Exactly why you never see any mass shootings in the only state with legalized prostitution
Way too much emphasis is being spotlighted on mental illness, and gun control (in the media). What this article says is dead on. Im sure though that more often than not people feel inadequate compared to the Jock/cheerleader crowd. Most average joes probably feel like losers in this regard.(social status, girls) But what about the cheerleader who has an eating disorder. Or the cheerleader who has been sexually abused. I believe the problem is that society puts too much emphasis on what it sees. Instead of what the actual problems are.
Okay. First off. No. You don't want the mass shooting done in America soon switch different genders?
I like that you're drawing parallels but, like the MSM, you're just off target.
You can give me 100 males that were born into fatherless homes or being adopted that are losers and I can give you 200 that successful. Steve Jobs was adopted. Stefan Molyneux grew up without a farther and I'm not going to sit here all day firing off names.
And the last boy that did the mass shooting before this Florida loser was actually close to his dad, called his dad, to tell him he loved him, minutes before killing himself. And the Vegas shooter had a current girlfriend.
Let's be honest, we are ALL losing human connection. Rich, poor, black, white. We all become a face of the same color and fronts of walls of text, no real face to see. The more we are online, the less we spend time in person with someone. The more we masturbate, the less we have sex. The more we are high off drugs with intoxicated thoughts, the less time we have sober thoughts. The more we try to put another notch on our belt of chicks we banged, the less time we just settle down with one girl and family build. And last but not least, the more we "just don't give a fuck" the less we give a fuck about someone. There's always trade offs. And I'm bet, we as a society can no longer see the desperation help that one is bearing inside.
The parallels you or anyone can draw is the ones that everyone already knows. 1. A complete Fucking losers and no longer cares about being a loser. And 2. No longer wants to be on this planet and wants to take out as many people with them.
I know this recent shooting is all over news right now but I just don't think you or anyone in the TRP sub should be riding this wave of "Why? What to do? And how to stop it?" Because we don't know. Still this day the greatest Secret is what one thoughts are.
The answer I have for you is that I have no answer and neither does the rest of us.
"We don't know" yes. Simple as that.
The reasons why shootings happen, is quite a touchy subject that requires extensive research to draw any sort of conclusions. And even then requires precision to leave as little room for misinterpretation as possible. For everyone's sake.
Anyways, this whole tone, generalised and absolutist, "THE only reason why!" is quite ignorant and, in my opinion, not helpful.
Funny. I always blame these shootings - and many other crimes and craziness - on guys being unable to get laid - i.e. we need to legalize prostitution.
But on a serious note, the downfall of any civilization is the inability of its young men to provide for themselves (to build a family) along with the opportunity to procreate (or at least initially have sex). If neither are an option, something terrible always happens.
Ripple effect of 40 years of a declining middle class being passed down to another generation can’t help. Men are judged by their job and wealth creation. They at least need to have a job that positivity contributes to society. That’s becoming harder for the average man in America
In 1996, for the first time (in the US) women earned more bachelor's degrees than men.
By 2007, there were a million more women in the country with at least a bachelor's degree than men. By 2011, women surpassed men for total number of graduate degrees. And by 2016, the number for bachelor's degrees was up to 2.0 million.
Yet, evidently, our "real" problem is that there aren't enough women in STEM professions even though most women don't want to be in STEM professions.
Its definitely NOT men graduating high school at a lower rate. Or that college campuses are now <40% men. Or that manufacturing and labor jobs - careers with a majority of men - have been losing ground for more than 3 decades.
EDIT: and let me know if you want actual PROOF as to why the "wage gap" bw men and women is complete horseshit.
I want it, just so I can print it out and keep it in my pocket.
The ridiculousness of the wage gap is that all people are doing to compute this 77% or 74% or 78% number is adding up all of the working men and women, then adding up all of their wages, and then dividing the first number by the second. That's ridiculous.
Bc it doesn't account for career specific jobs let alone guys like Gates, Bezos and Buffett fuck up the entire scheme.
But if you actually look at the number "by profession" and "by hours worked" and "by experience" and "by education" and you include "maternity leave"... the difference bw men and women is somewhere bw 95% and 98%.
And this is PER A FEMALE ECONOMICS PROFESSOR whose research has been at the forefront of this discussion. Enjoy!
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/reassessing-the-gender-wage-gap
Ok, no. You're basically suggesting that it's men not getting sex causes terrible things to happen.
Stop blaming society for your shortcomings in life. Might as well join the women's march with that logic.
I have no problems going against the grain here. There is no other 1st World Western country that has this issue of a large number of mass shootings, no matter the stage of ultimate feminism it is in. This is an undeniable fact. Taking guns away simply removes the possibility of mass casualty via shooting. Like they say, what can go wrong, will go wrong! - Murphy
People will always find a way to kill other people. The state of one’s mental health is not a permanent state of being. It cannot be used to determine whether one should be allowed to own a firearm or not.
You hit the nail on the head with how society reacts to loser-types. These guys are completely ostracized from social interactions with anyone who isn’t a loser like them. It probably does feel horrible to hold such a low reputation and to have most people not even acknowledge your existence or when they do it’s condescending or bullying. I have a couple friends of friends that are of the incel self defeatist type and they just feed off of each other and really begin to hate women and men who’ve they have never interacted with simply because of their success. The worst part is that shitting on incels is completely socially acceptable. On Facebook there will occasionally be posts of some guy (picture included) with a rant saying what a disgusting objectifying piece of shit he is because of a couple Facebook messages. The comments are always filled with hundreds of women and white knights agreeing that they always thought he was a weirdo and that he’s a scumbag creep. Even here on reddit you can just go on any askreddit thread that has anything to do with gender roles and say something about “I’m an incel” and people will downvote you to hell and receive tons of upvotes just for cussing you out and stereotyping you for no other reason than you admitting you get puss. There’s no escape for these poor souls. No wonder there was such a visceral reaction from incels during “gamer gate”
Truer words have never been spoken. Not a single media outlet has tied in the fact this perp attacked on Valentines Day. That was no coincidence!
In every previous society guys like this got married young (assortively) and were given a family to raise. Today young men like this have NOTHING and society continually shits on them over and over and over again. When they cry out in pain women sneer and the men roll their eyes.
I have seen it said on TRP before and it is true. We would have a different Elliot Rodgers and school shooting EVERY DAY if not for online porn.
I don't think the problem is that they're shunned. Men throughout history have not been "the cool kids," and survived. They used to retire to their basements where they couldn't be picked on to play D&D and society left them alone.
But we can't have that anymore. We have social media. The ridicule is now literally inescapable. Not to mention, they can't even have their D&D without a heaping serving of leftist shit. There is literally no respite for them, and no guiding force (thanks to the new single-mom family model) to get them through it. The culture has abandoned beta men AND THEN blamed them for everything. Of course some are going to get angry to the point of murder.
Nerd stuff like DND is very popular. Look at all the comic book movies and the scale of video games.
And the SJWs, are in the process of trying to share be their garbage into all of them.
I honestly thing that there is no one single thing that causes these school shootings, the only thing we can do is evaluate the factors that are constant across each case. Mental illness seems to be one but I don't think the other factors/causes are easy to identify.
I do theorize that the pussyfication of the west contributes to these shootings but I cannot say to what extent.
Fuck mental illness. What's producing these outcomes? What's the cause of creating these people these are no longer isolated incidents.
Feminisation is likely the most significant causal factor. These shootings are mostly perpetrated by white middle class makes. Compared to most cultures, in America white middle class culture has been completely hijacked by feminists, and as a consequence it is the most supersize towards masculinity. Looking at the bigger picture, fault lies with feminism rather than these kids.
Could be, but in this case he wasn't white, he's Hispanic.
This post has helped me realise the need for red pill thinking more than anything else I've read in the last year
Props, OP.
Edit: grammar
No such thing as a male loser. Just a male who hasn’t gotten into the game yet.
Now that you mention it, I have to think of a comment I've read ages ago on a forum frequented by longterm virgins. It wasn't necessarily a dark place - the people there appeared pretty normal, at least in writing, when compared to guys you would meet at the incel-subreddit - but really really depressing.
But the feeling of being wronged (and to get some payback) still existed there, though it didn't look for a tangible target. One of the comments that met wide approval was "if I God exists and I meet him after I'm dead, I'll beat him up" - which is code for "fate/life has been unfair to me".
But more interesting, in one of the threads there, the topic was other (presumed) permavirgins these guys knew, and one of them mentioned a colleague (also a loser and a loner) of his who was already in his 50s. And this guy said that if that guy one day started going on a killing spree, he couldn't really blame him for it.
Which is interesting insofar because when reading between the lines, the message this commenter also conveyed was that once he lost all hope of ever experiencing intimacy, he would also be at his personal breaking point. And this corroborates the point you've made - that the promise, or even just mere perspective, of future intimacy is the only thing that keeps plenty of the guys affected going and not acting out on their (very much justified) frustration.
But the easy access to guns is what makes all this possible. Do you think there are no girlfriendless losers in Europe or Australia or Canada?
just more male suicides die alone with out killing others
I'll just leave this right here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-18/florida-school-shooter-romantic-rival-iam-going-fuking-kill-you
Blue pills kill.
I agree completely, this is what years of calling straight white men "homophobic", "transphobic", "racist", "toxic", "rapists", "pigs", "oppressors", and the source of all of "society's" ills gets you.
i appreciate these insights. but several other disenchanted and un-desired males go on to hunker down and make brilliant discoveries and great strides in human advancements. suggesting that blowjobs will solve things is fucking stupid. man up, improve yourself, don’t be a bitch and shoot innocent people. take control of your life and stop making excuses for fuck ups who shoot up schools.
Oh spare me, this is complete bullshit. That kid was a violent antisocial dangerous man. He even had a girlfriend that he beat up. Don't even for one second blame women for this, crazy outliers like this have always existed.
So fuck that guy. Society don't need men like him. The pill is bitter - be a man that society and women need or you can really just die.
How did he get there?
True, kid got a fucked up childhood. But still, he has to take the responsibility of his actions.
Most people with alcohol fetal syndrome dont shoot up schools. Most people who experienced the death of their mother dont shoot up schools. Most people in foster care dont shoot up schools. Heck, even most people with antisocial personality disorder dont shoot up schools.
So fuck that guy.
Fuck off with this drone mentality. "be a man that society and women need or you can really just die" Why should I care about what society expects from me when it's giving me back just a fraud of a life, filled with stress and misery? No. If this society is resulting in making my life shit, I won't be a good boy and play by the rules so I can enable others to benefit from my existence. You don't feed the mouth that bites you. Fuck society.
A bitch with a throwaway account talks about "Being a Man" lmao. Go fuck yourself hypocrite.
Law 38, bro. Now be a man and hit me with some real arguments if you disagree with me.
Naww I don't argue with bitches. But I will tell you, that Law 38 doesn't apply to reddit, because this shit don't matter and will never bring you power. Now go back to hiding in your hole lol.
Ah, the keyboard warrior in the wild. Good day to you sir.
either you censor yourself on 90% of matters or use throwaway account. pick one
Neither. Reddit isn't life, it's a time waster. If downvotes mean so much that you have to have a throwaway account to protect yourself from them, then you're not a man, you're a pussy. If I get banned, I'll go do something else, like read a book LOL.
nah, before I discovered reddit, I made forum accounts to post one damn question. Like I wanted to appraise old coin I have - here you go, I create account on numismatics forum. Nowadays I can do all the shit with one account. Problem is, if you discuss your hemorroids or your favourite game on one sub, some vile user will read your comments and post every single shit to humiliate you and win argument, in ad personam way. Like apparently liking video games means you're virgin, so your dating advice is suddenly worthless
Literally, go fuck yourself with a pineapple.
Hit a sore spot, eh? Never tried to fuck a pineapple, but fucked a cute girl yesterday if that counts.
You had a good thing going until your last two paragraphs with the cheerleader stuff.
This would've been perfect post had you left that out.
Boys and girls should be segregated in high school. I guarantee boys will be more successful.
This. I'm lucky enough to be a teacher at an all boys school and it is amazing what those boys can achieve without the drama and bullshit that goes with females.
It also let's us teach in a way that caters to our boys rather than the typical feminised crap in school these days.
The master produces another masterwork
This should be on the sidebar
This reminds me of an article I read a few months ago about the link between societies, that to some degree practices polygamy, and war:
https://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21732695-plural-marriage-bred-inequality-begets-violence-link-between-polygamy-and-war
For example in South Sudan your wealth is measured in cattle and brides cost cows. A rich man with lots of cattle can get lots of wives. This leaves women in short supply, so a poor man from a poor family may resort to cattle raids in hopes of capturing cattle so he can get a wife.
Logically the idea makes sense, that men become terrorists and school shooters because they are ostracized, unloved and cannot use sex to release with their frustrations.
But there is no evidence for it. Most terrorists and suicide bombers have wives, girlfriends and many children who love them. It's much more common than not.
So, while I agree with your line of thought, it is simply not the case because all evidence says otherwise. Even in general, the more loved a man is, the more violent and ruthless he becomes. Violent criminals almost always have beautiful girls lining up to have sex with them and carry their children.
It's not really comparable to Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorists are using violence to achieve a political goal. School shooters are just people who have given up on society and want to express their rage on the way out.
I think this could explain some but not all, there are psychopathic and sociopathic reasons as well. Some mass murderers have been described as charming and agreeable. There's also the radicalized normal person that was targeted, used and disposed to further an agenda. Many more reasons like passion crime gone wrong, douchery gone wrong, gang membership, and a long list of etceteras.
The main problem here is to do the human thing and just go ahead and find that one answer than can solve all our problems.
Life is much more complicated, so there could be many more reasons for this.
If all it took was being a desperate looser, considering the way life is, we would have mass shootings every minute.
That cruz kid deserved a fatherly figure who would then smack him across the forehead for the shit he posted on social media.
That would have been enough to deter the shooting.
I used to not really like this sub, but you are 100% correct.
I may still not agree with certain philosophies, but I do agree with people like you in this community.
Subbed!
upvote for keeping an open mind
Sounds like the definition of Toxic Masculinity is in fact extreme Blue Pill conditioning.
But Dr. Glover ("No More Mr. Nice Guy") pointed out in another case that many of these shooters were in fact mentally ill. In this guy's case, he's adopted, doesn't have parents (both adopted parents died), has a history of disturbed behaviours.
Many people, before they become mentally ill, follow a pattern of unhealthy mental thoughts and beliefs until it gets set in their mind. There is a concept of 'conscious mental diet' where you have to actively put in good thoughts and beliefs in your mind every day just like you have to go out to the gym and work and you eat your meals. But that's seldom attended to and by the time you're diagnosed, it's already very far down the line.
Maybe we must have a special chapter on cultivating a healthy mental diet and preventive mental medicine in the sidebar
Gotta say, that was my first thought when I saw his picture - “that kid shot up the school because the girls laughed when he asked them out on dates”.
Do not scorn a weak cub; he may become a brutal tiger.
-Mongol proverb.
The real issue is schools if we ban school there will be no more school shootings.
OP brings up a very important point that the media completely grazes over. The Why? Talking from experience as a 22yr old recently out of college and highschool. The common joke in my time was that one of the select weirdo kids in school would one day be a school shooter. This joke never set right with me as I was friends with one of the school's select weirdos. That why every since 9th grade I made it my business to always treat other kindly befriending people that many considered beta blue weirdos( many avoided this for fear of lowering their social status). I can happily say I didn't fall into this trap we're other openly told me to stop hanging out with A or B so because it made me look bad. Despite this I never did and eventually people got over it and I actually saw bigger boast in popularity after the initial dip and along with my loner friend. We never really talked about it but We both realized how far having even one person in your corner can be.
I think this is true for some cases, but not all. Some people just have a tendency for violence and sadism, and they want to have a bit of fun before committing suicide.
The world is a shit sandwich...start eating or else starve
Great article that distills the issue down to the root cause. Yes, blame the murderer for this crime, because he decided to do it.
But a societal shift has completely unbalanced the sexual marketplace in favour of women, so much so that they have more sexual options than they know what to do with.
Women have been given such an extreme abundance of attention and sexual opportunities that it has come at great expense to the mental health of men.
Men now experience great confusion and worthlessness because a basic need for female companionship is going unmet in the vast majority of men.
The majority of men are going years without any female attention, and when they try to find out why this is, society gives them extreme shame and embarrassment at worst, and subversively ineffectual advice at best.
so you saying, women give a random guys an occasional blowjob this type of crime will be less ??
I know it's not exactly a school shooting, but Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (Boston Bomber) was very much a Chad normie, had lots of friends, got laid a lot, and smoked weed, and did wrestling. His Twitter is pretty reflective of his personality.
He was an Islamic terrorist. He was using violence as a means to achieve a political end. Completely different situation. This is why I also find it so infuriating when the media says "see, straight white males commit terrorism too."
Islamic terrorists usually have the same type of anti-Chad troubled past that school shooters have. Look at the Wiki pages of each of the 9/11 pilots. Even if it's politically driven, it takes a special kind of person with a fucked up past to be homicidal like that.
Not really man. History has shown that its quite easy to kill your society's enemies. Suicide attackers are of course extreme, but still part of the same continuum. Mass shootings are so horrifying and confusing because the shooter is attacking his own society and picking out random people. It is basically a person that has come to hate his own people so much that he has chosen to do this. I don't really see any parallels at all with Islamic terrorism.
We can all agree that this behavior comes from depression and mental illness. Mental illness is largely a result of modern day civilization. There needs to be more awareness raised about the real causes of why these people feel this way. It's not because they aren't getting pussy. It's not because their social skills aren't the best. It's because modern day lifestyle is not something we are properly adapted to.
This video is a presentation about a study on the link between depression and civilization. Depression prevalence among the 18-24 demographic in the United States is currently at 25%, which is obviously much higher than previous generations, and projected to go up to 50% in coming years. Why is this? What has changed so much in the past 20 years? Technology and lifestyle.
I've linked a video below. He is comparing depression rates in the United States to a tribe in New Guinnea (Kaluli). The rate of depression in that tribe? One marginal case out of 2,000 (about 100x lower than our rate). If that isn't enough proof for people who are depressed to consider that their lifestyle is probably causing their issues, I don't know what is. We were not designed for the environment we are in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drv3BP0Fdi8&feature=youtu.be
Depressed people are not active. 60% of all American adults get no regular physical activity every day. These hunter-gatherer groups such as the Kaluli get an average of 4 hours of intense activity, every day, just by doing normal tasks to keep their community functioning. That is what we are adapted for, and it is not what we do. Physical activity is only part of what hunter-gatherer groups get that we don't. Watch the video for more info.
The health care industry knows all of this, but they can't capitalize on telling people to change their lifestyle. This simple video actually changed my life a few years back when I first watched it, as I went through severe depression myself at one point in my life. I incorporated intense exercise into my lifestyle along with some diet changes over a year ago and have improved on every aspect of my life.
This was the most idiotic thing I've read....full of opinions and ZERO sources cited to prove your "point", if it can even be called that, delusional and unrealistic solutions on top of that.
Lol, what sources would he possibly be able to cite? Stop falling to the liberal trap of thinking that just because something cites sources means that it is true. You have no conception of how much bullshit is getting published in social sciences journals. It is all a complete joke.
1- I could sit here and be a keyboard warrior and trade attacks with you but that gets neither of us anywhere other than massaging fragile egos....so I won't.
2-You're entitled to blindly believe anyone's opinion if you want, just as I'm entitled to ask them to back it up...you're a whole grown ass adult with critical thinking skills, use them or don't it's up to you.
3-It was never political...when sources are cited you follow up and verify the sources and you take it with a grain of salt, people have biases, people are fallible...and if the test results come back with the same results we accept that to be the "truth" because as a society that's the metric we've agreed on...and if in the future we get something that contradicts the results, we go back and test it.
4-Where are your sources to back up the "bullshit being published"?
There is a lot wrong with this post. It wants to blame society for hating maleness. This is a fundamental error. Maleness is extra societal. it sits beyond society. Maleness relates to frontiership, discovery, conquering. In a world with no frontiers, the masculine energy is in a philosophical crisis, not under cultural attack. The distortion of masculine energy that not longer has true frontiers, or real wars is what culture tries to control.
Mix these ideas up, and remover the philosophical problem and you simply foster resentment where there should be none.
This malaise of masculinity which, as I pointed out, cannot and should not be scapegoated but rather investigated, is related to the core of the school shooters. They are scapegoating their lack of male agency, their lack of ability to discover, conquer, fight in a constructive manner. They are not analysing and hence finding avenues where there is still need to conquer, discover, build and own. And the real underlying problem is related to an economy that no longer gives opportunities, but that is a whole other topic.
The other thing to note is that the only difference between America and the rest of the world is not the amount of violence coming form this existential western crisis, but rather the effectiveness and deadliness. A young man in Australia who sees no direction for themselves will commit suicide, but a young man in USA will take 20 people with him because AR15s are as easy to buy as milk
Anyone who thinks that banning guns in the US will work is not living in reality.
This goes beyond whether I agree with you or not. There are more guns in the US than there are people. If the government tries to ban guns and attempts to take them from it's citizens, there will be a civil war. No if's, and's, or but's about it.
The idea of making guns illegal in the US is a complete fantasy. Whether it is a good thing or not is completely irrelevant.
Or they'll just join ISIS. There are have been more than a few cases in Australia of kids - who previously had no links whatsoever to religious extremism or religion in general - trying to carry out terrorist attacks.
Less than five in no way makes a trend
I would argue that this isn't the real reason but rather one of many real reasons that all build up to something bigger: A bunch of pussies who know better but instead choose to sit back and enjoy the ride for what it is.
Consider excess cultural diversity, it's promotion, and the unseen anti-majority (in most cases anti-white) messages that creep through.
We have serious cases of discrimination, assumed reasonable by faculties, that work against boys in sports and engineering. They do this through affirmative action like policies by limiting the number males permitted to participate. They also provide excess programs and scholarships designed to only benefit females and people of color. It's illegal if provided by the government, but not illegal for corporations and companies to support specific races, genders and religions. High school is where kids get their first real taste of this.
Zero tolerance policies, while seeming like an obvious solution, do more to limit a child's ability to react and protect themselves in situation involving bullies and has almost no effect against the instigators in the first place. The child's perception is that if they are getting their ass kicked, they must take the ass kicking because fighting back will get them expelled.
In some cases, professors will threaten to expel all participants in any form of fight. This was the case for my high school back in 2001, Santana high, where I got someone else's blood all over my shirt thanks to some kid who blamed his choices on bullying. The teachers told us that if you get punched, you get expelled, because it always takes 2 to tango. It was their go-to phrase and expressed by many of the teachers there. Now this kid was a sexual loser, but I do believe that this policy played a major role in his decision. The perception for the kid is that you're going to get punished no matter what. The bullies will retaliate, or you will get expelled. Mix that with being a desperate pussy, caused by the feminizing of campus culture, and I wouldn't be surprised that their solution was to kill everyone.
The reason all this feminine shit is dominating is because the people with delusional feels were the people actively making changes. When the great meme war hit, reversed changes happened and here we are today with a beautiful sun-colored president. The methods for resolving these problems are already laid out for us in recent history.
You're making excuses for an evil act.
One big lumping series of logical fallacies, leaps in reason, non-sequiturs, and self-contradictions. To the dumps with this post.
I agree that this is probably the fundamental issue. I 100% disagree that this issue could ever be solved in a comprehensive way to remove the threat. It's not like men don't have these issues in other countries, but what they don't have is easy access to guns.
Gun access is the only difference here, and the only reasonable solution.
doubt, seems more like an overall american problem, people there seem to be just retarded, simple
And how do you account for the fact that there are no where near as many shootings else where in the western world?
Prior to around the 1960s-1970s, the problem students that commit these crimes would have been identified very early and indefinitely institutionalized in mental health facilities where they would quietly pass away their lives without harming the outside public.
Progressives won the day, however, when they convinced society and politicians that it is inhumane to institutionalize and so these types of dangerous individuals now are "mainstreamed" into public schools where they are ruthlessly bullied by normal children. They use to be given straight jackets, lobotomies, and were stuffed into rubber walled rooms. Now they are given Pharmaceuticals and IEPs and placed into the classroom where they disrupt learning and, in the darkest cases, kill people.
Yup. They have also exploded the homeless population.
"Whyyyyyyy can't we do anything for the homeless? We live in the richest country on Earth!" - Hysterical hyperventilating leftist.
I think there some decent points in your arguments but I think they all can be thwarted by not allowing anyone under 21 to buy guns. These kids have raging hormones and a large amount of people on RP find it after high school. Expecting some kid with raging hormones to think rationally is a tough sell. Just don’t let HS aged kids buy guns and the problem is at least minimalized if not solved. Adults can buy however many guns they want and do with them as they please. A HS senior however, should not be trusted with guns unless he has gone through thorough and proper training ala the military. It’s not rocket science, everyone just wants to act like it is. Kids can still get hunting licenses and hunt with their parents and learn how to shoot, but they should NOT be able to buy an AR that young. It is begging for trouble.
You were sort of right till it went all wrong. You cannot blame society hating manliness for this. It becomes too complex. It's easy, it's due to lack of gun control. No other country on western world suffers from this. But it's true that only the losers of the society end up doing heinous acts such as these which makes no sense really. And to make it even simpler, it's down to the government. It's allowing people to get away with it, so they will keep trying.
No, it isn't. That's a bleat. These issues with violence - that plague the globe, not just the u.s. - are mental and social in their roots. It is a Nirvana Fallacy to suppose that gun "control" will "solve" anything beyond very temporarily.
These guys have given up all hope.
My kids do snowboarding and trampolines with me. They’re too young for the gym.
My older son has a friend who’s always online. On Skype,playing games. Doesn’t exercise.
Recently I thought that if someone is going to do school shooting, it’s probably going to be that small pale dude.
I do respect your take on the subject but I believe you did have some better posts in the past.
Can anyone find any data on how many of these school shooters had a single parent? There seems to be remarkably little media coverage of this, which I find telling.
And is it correlation, or causation
I only say that because of the large amount of single moms now. IT's at the point where you may need to account for actual parents, and not the other way around
Right. I want the data first so we can tease out causation. I've seen a few articles that say the vast majority of these shootings are from kids without a father figure, but not enough to be credible alone.
Then (if correlation found), we have to ask whether it's lack of male father figure that's the problem (as generally assumed on here), or whether it's women who cause fathers to leave that then have a destructive influence on male children (seems plausible). And that sort of thing is really hard to pull out of the data.
I look forward to the news article that says "fathers are good for society". I'm being ironic of course...
Very well thought out.
Part time parenting and lack of a strong father figure in the household, guaranteed.
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Two students. Student A has a biological issue that makes Student A incompatible with student life. That issue is mental illness.
Student B has a biological issue that makes Student B incompatible with student life. That issue is a screaming baby that has to be taken care of.
Student A is tossed out on his ass. He has now been expelled from school, so his life is basically over. He'll never find a decent job, which mean she'll never have a decent girl.
Student B is piled high with public money. Public housing, free food, free health care, free money in some states.
And then these women scream that we need to take away guns from everyone because who can tell if student A is going to blow up.
I have a different solution. Throw student B on the street and pile student A with free money. Problem solved.
Are these shootings really a uniquely American problem or do we just not hear about shootings abroad? I know that we hear about terrorism in the US way more than in places where it happens more frequently abroad.
i'm pretty thankful i was born in 1990 before all this fuckery happened. i mean... if i am a white male teen on the ever-growing internet... where the fuck do i go?!
there isn't anything left for them except the every hating nazi like parties because A) they will take anyone that's white and b) it's so wrong no one will except them expect people that have no other place to go.
I pracrically wrote this same post in my head today when I saw the news. More or less. Its funny how I never understood school shootings until today. The world, when viewed through an RP lens often makes so much sense, so Immediately.
I saw the pictures of his victims and immediately Identified them as the Highschool Chad types. They were all smiling and confident looking in their pictures. These were the asholes who mistreated women, these were the guys the shooter both envied and loathed at the same time.
Then they showed pictures of the female victims. They were the girls who blew him off, wouldnt give him the time of day or when they did it was to call him creepy or friendzone him.
Then I saw the shooter. For a moment, all I could feel was pity. He threw his entire life away. Ultimately its his fault and he has to be held accountable for what he did, but, can the blame be placed entirely on him? At what point is a person supposed to be in charge of their own life? Especially In a world where people arent taught to have any.sort of agency.
The ideas that "youre fine the way you are, be yourself, dont change" also fit nicely with the idea that "people are the way they are, they cant help it". I mean, how many can agree that before TRP, before ever being introduced to the idea that you could change yourself (whether through TRP or otherwise) that it seemed as though people just were what they were? The guys who got the girls were just born like that.
I have been walked through the idea of self discovery so many times. I assure you if I had continuing following the path, trying to stumble on to who I was and hoping that once I did everything would fall into place, I'd still be just as lost. You have to make yourself into the person you want to be. You get to choose. It's of the utmost importance that we get kids to understand this.
I mean, look at the culutre of victimhood in western civiliaztion. All of these people who dont realize that they are victims because they willfully chose to be one. They decided "hey all I have to do is figure out how opressed I am, and then collect what im owed for the injustice". You assume the position and bend society to your will. You start seeing more and more how the system is working against you because thats all youve taught yourself to see.
Could it be the media over publicizing these events? Putting the shooters pictures all over CNN headline news for weeks or longer, shooters face plastered on every social media platform ECT... turning these maniacs into ‘hero’s’ for these troubled / impressionable individuals who have nothing to lose. If it bleeds, it leads. It all about the ratings.
They should have just blown him there with the gun in his hands and locked him up after.
I didn't read this whole dissertation nor watch the media coverage, but I'm assuming it was a fat ugly autistic male virgin. Would be good incentive to not murder a school full of students.
Most likely sexual ostracisation is a key factor here. However guns and violence in media and bad parenting are probably involved as well. Keep in mind at least some of these school shootings were racially motivated. But sexual ostracisation and social isolation (two things that are obviously related) are big problems and society needs to address that by promoting kids self-improvement. Teaching adolescent men to lift, how to talk to women, how to groom, etc. All of these are things that would help men get the success they crave. The other thing is 'too many men'.
Since women are naturally hypergamous, it doesn't help that 49% of the population are male. Not that we can do much about it and I'm not saying this is the solution but let's say if the government introduced mandatory screening through IVF treatment and there were less men, then there'd be less competition for women and men's sexual market value would increase. If there were was a 20:80 male to female ratio, women would be all over the few men left (it would not even be necessary to force marital arrangements for women would choose most men voluntarily). These few men would have extremely powerful, high status positions and most likely would be polygynous. Women have been shown to be much more content with polygynous arrangements than men have been shown with the converse (polyandry).
That's because socially it's frowned upon, and seen as weak, beta male behaviour for a man to share his wife with other men. However, women are more likely to be content with what is traditionally seen as a feminine role . So yeah, our main problem as a society is, we don't teach young men self-improvement (and for that matter helping women keep in shape as well and facilitating them in their natural domestic roles) and we have waay to many men. Our society is just a big sausage fest and a big part of what leads to wars and violent assault against other men as well as school shootings and other social issues.
Amen to this.
Honestly, the 16 year old me was a bit like these guys, being phenomenally frustrated with no apparent escape from inceldom. I went and did some stupid shit, but am thankful I never got my hands on a gun at this age and didn't do anything to irreversibly fuck up my life and forever restrict my freedom.
It was at this point I sat down one day and consciously decided to start working on my social skills. It was a long slow process, and it wasn't until my 20s I started having some success with girls, but with dedication it CAN HAPPEN.
I'm now typing this on a lazy afternoon in my apartment in Shenzhen. The only reason I'm not balls deep in my newest fuck buddy is because she went home for a few days for Chinese New Year :( While my last one I had to say goodbye to back in Australia.
Meanwhile I'm talking to a few dozen girls on Tinder/Tantan/Wechat, and have 'dated' at least 3 in the past 2 weeks.
Work on yourself guys - your appearance, your outfits, your body, your charisma, your financial position, then if all that isn't enough RELOCATE. Better than giving these lonely guys blowjobs from cheerleaders, give them a ticket to Asia for a few months!
Young men with no place in social hierarchy become violent and unpredictable. Millions of young men all around the world serve in conscription armies and are treated like dogs but they have a place and a function in their society and access to lethal weapons but still barely any killings happen there
TRP is a bit too centric on sex for me, so is this statement. But you have a point, people need attention, especially from the opposite sex. And male tend to be more 'aggressive', it's in their nature. So it would help for sure to just give them a bit more attention.
Are we so reasoning-challenged that it can't be multiple things? Without a gun, your man wouldn't have killed as many. With decent healthcare, he may have not gone off the deep end. Without video games, he may have not rammed the lorry onto Tower Bridge. Without Millwall, there would have been no hooligan to confront the other idiot. FFS, I like Anderlecht, just as my brother did. He tried to join ISIS, I wouldn't dream of doing that. Last June, he committed suicide, I wouldn't dream of this either. It's not one thing, it's multiple. And each and every thing we do is a deterrent to the behaviour, not a panacea.
While I agree with most of what you said, how would you argument that this "trend" only seems to happen in the US. I am sure it does happen from time to time in other parts of world but don't you think an easy access to guns makes it so much more porabable to happen in the US (combined with the culture)? I come from a country where guns are only allowed after all mental checks and a gun handling courses and you can only buy pistols and you can only do that mostly online because we don't have gun shops. You won't ever get an access to an AR unless you buy it off black market. To even hear it on the news in my country that there was a gun involved its a really "big" surprise because of how rarely it happens. I must say that we are in top 10 safest countries in the world so my opinion might be a bit biased on the gun control but with removing guns or implementing really strict regulations I don't think the US will ever get rid of school and other mass murders including guns. I'd really like if you can provide me a non-gun related argument as to why this happens more commonly in the US than in other countries.
So your solution is to basically give unwanted males sex for nothing? Buddy, giving people free shit that they did not work for is a liberal principle. People (and males especially) must earn what they get or they will become lazy and entitled. Now of course there are young men with issues that cannot be fixed by willpower alone and therefore they will never be attractive for opposite sex. So instead society can show them other ways to reach their full potential, which would not require relationships with opposite sex.
Anyone that's been to public school knows it feels like prison (sit down and shut up) It's lashing out against an oppressive atmosphere.
Interesting post. I find it a bit sad that only in TRP will you see stuff like this is appearing; no-one in the media has the guts or the brains to explore the topic.
TRP is a source of free thought in cultures where the mainstream media is stifled by fear of saying anything that assigns any culpability to women.
It's a no brainer for anyone paying attention. White men overwhelming lead the way in mass shootings and suicide because they are being increasingly left behind in our society. Lecture them on privilege and how evil they are, and one of those choices will ultimately be the outcome if they dont find places like TRP or any others that reaffirm being who you are is okay.
Damn right. a sexually satisfied man would not resort to such extremes
I must disagree on this.
In EU there are as much boys of that kind as there are in US and they have the same exact problems.
We don't have school shootings though.
Mayve we must thank the fact that nobody in any circumstance can have access to an AR15 or near military grade weapons. If I or anyone else want even only a little gun I need to explain to police why I want it and for what I will use that and then they can decide to give you a permit or not. It is not impossible to still get a gun but frankly it is discouraging enough to search other ways to express your anger.
It is not a solution to the problem of these boys and it's sad but at least no one risks to be killed by an angry teenager.
Probably comes down to a moral, instead of legal, Duty of Care
Or, they are fake shootings following the template. Planned Gov drills with witnesses always seeing multiple suspects. Crisis actors.
Bro u got that straight man 100%.
First question on the gun purchase background check questionnaire should be:
I argue with Marxist ideals only when the person spewing said ideals is not close minded, racist, and obviously a piece of muslim shit.. I spit in the face of allah and your mother.. Come to America bud.. Don't talk about what you don't know about..
"It is done entirely by male students who have been ostracized and have no sense of belonging... and they don't have girlfriends. They are, by all accounts losers..."
Very valid point; I also note that gun violence is also the leading method for suicides. Violence against the self (suicide) and others (shootings) are both enhanced by the availability of guns.
Except, that Japan has a higher suicide rate than the US. They like to jump in front of trains over there.
Japan's suicide rate is nearly twice that of the US overall; but the gun suicide rate is 1/5 of the US. Japan also has extremely low (nearly zero) gun ownership rates. US's violent crime-murder rate is 26 times higher than Japan. In combining the suicide rate (violence against the self) and the murder rate (violence against others) the US is significantly more violent overall. Conclusion, guns are a convenient and effective way to behave violently.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime
Let's analyze shall we? A gun suicide rate of 1/5 that of the US seems awfully high in a country with almost no guns among civillians. Looks like some guys will go to great lengths to find a gun to kill themselves with. And they have a suicide rate of almost twice the US, which says to me that guns don't cause suicide.
I wonder if that might have something to do with gang culture in large cities? Actually I don't wonder, I know that's what it is. You'll find that most of those murders are committed with illegally obtained firearms, by those who were already criminals.
They are, but if you're trying to make the case that guns cause otherwise non-violent people to become violent, you've failed. It's not your fault, because it not a case that can be made.
A gun suicide rate of 1/5 that of the US seems awfully high in a country with almost no guns among civillians. Looks like some guys will go to great lengths to find a gun to kill themselves with. And they have a suicide rate of almost twice the US, which says to me that guns don't cause suicide.
Despite a very low (nearly negligible) number of guns; they are none-the-less used in 20% of suicides
I wonder if that might have something to do with gang culture in large cities?
Please cite the source of this, according to the CDC the opioid epidemic is particularly hard hitting in rural areas; it is unlikely that a gang's desire to make profit has limited them to an urban core; more likely gangs, their distribution channels and activity have migrated to where demand is highest, such as rural areas. Please provide a source for gang culture activity being limited to an urban core.
guns cause otherwise non-violent people to become violent,
guns are a convenient and effective way to behave violently; I do not use the word "cause."
https://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2017/11/opioids/
Source for the CDC report, cited
That's right. Banning and removing guns from the country did not end all gun suicides, and certainly did not help the overall suicide rate there.
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=812
Although most violent crimes in urban (60%), suburban (68%), and rural (70%) areas were committed without a weapon, firearm usage in the commission of a violent crime was higher in urban areas when compared to suburban or rural areas (12% urban versus 9% suburban and 8% rural).
Gun Ownership higher in rural areas, by more than 2:1
So, more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, does not lead to more violence.
Yeah, I suppose this is true, but remember something. Some violence is justified, like if there's a man in my grandmother's home robbing her and planning to rape her, I'd be ok if she were to use a little violence to save herself. A gun allows her to do this. A gun allows her in her wheelchair, all 98lbs of her to stand up to a 220lb MMA fighter. They are the great equalizer.
"A Well regulated Militia....."
Does anybody honestly think this kid belonged in the "Militia?"
You seem to have forgotten the rest of the amendment. The right to bear arms is an individual right that exists independently of the justification of provided in the explanatory militia clause. Even the Supreme Court has held this to be true.
I understand why they do it. People like to think they are just evil but the reality is they just had enough, you can see a loser on the street, helpless, you forget about that guy very fast. So he decides to do something about it, sure by your morals he did wrong, he killed innocent people. And you can say what he did was wrong but all the years of his life he suffered, he didnt understand why cant he connect, why cant he be like the others (society likes to think losers as you call them want to be at the top, no they just want to be included) while everyone else were experiencing life. You may not understand the sick mind that goes through that, you loose your morals, everyone is against you, what was beautiful is the worst kind of sickness. But of course most wont understand because they never really felt like that.
this post is just giving feminists ammunition to say men are the real problem, because they'd rather murder innocent people than be virgins.
I think the bolded words should not be placed at girlfriend, but rather sense of belonging. It doesn't matter if you have a girlfriend, as long as you have a strong social group and positive company, students won't be in depression.
No, its not anything having to do with women, women arent the problem, no sex isnt the problem, its that these are deeply disturbed individuals who believe that relationships are horrible because they cant get one get on this sub, oh and the cause for school shootings is mental illness and violent tendencies.
Strict monogamy built civilization because it brings almost every man in a society into the social compact. Everyone can get laid, and if Chad fucks your wife you have actual recourse against him.
Our modern free love society is not stable. There is a huge percentage of men who are not getting laid, and cannot envision a future in which they ever will get laid. School shootings are absolutely a symptom of a sexually liberated society. Add social isolation from male support groups and it is a wonder that these don't happen more.
At the end of the day, all government and civilized society is built upon consent. We consent to live in this invisible prison because the benefits outweigh the costs. When an individual decides that the costs outweigh the benefits, there is really no telling what they will do. Sex is pretty much #1 on the list of human needs after life essentials such as food/water/shelter/medical care. If a society fails to provide sex to a large number of its members, that society has failed. I'm actually very surprised that liberals cannot understand this, as it is basically a form of socialism. Left to itself, the sexual free market destabilized early agricultural civilizations because the access to females was too unequal. Strict monogamy is an attempt at leveling the playing field.
What can be done? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Government has an absolutely horrible record at legislating morality. I will just have to take solace in the fact that as long as I don't drive through inner city ghettos, my chances of being killed by gun violence are astronomically small.
Can anyone give an example of a self-sacrificing woman in these situations? I'm genuinely curious. In this latest shooting, there are several stories of [male] teachers who sacrificed themselves to keep everyone safe, and on the front page right now, a 15 year old boy who also blocked the door to keep everyone safe.
Are there any stories of women/girls doing the same thing?
5 of the six teachers who died protecting their students were women in sandy hook.
Thanks to your info, I learned about Victoria Leigh Soto.
Another school shooting, another drugged up kid.
The pharmaceutical companies should be held responsible. This is madness.
I have a serious question, why are a majority (almost all) of these school/public mass shootings done by white people?
Is it a culture thing?
I don't think a large part of it is from being unsuccessful with women but I'm sure that plays a part (rejection)
Know what else? I don't even think it's %100 mental illness, anyone can become depressed and corrupted under the right circumstances.
Hard to say why. We know that black people still kill the most, but they tend to do it in Chicago where nobody's watching.
Well, those instances are drug and gang related... It's horrible but it's like living in the wild west. We don't see blacks shooting up schools or white churches or concerts.
I'm curious on what cultural aspect of white society is causing these white teens/men to shoot up schools and the public.
There's a huge difference between a clash in the hood and someone deciding to spray up innocent people. Both bad but shouldn't be compared.
What I don't understand is how if they're really so desperate, why can't they just go talking to every potential girl they're interested in? When you're at you're lowest you have nothing to lose so why don't they do this? Surely taking up a gun and killing civilians is more difficult that talking to a girl, is it not? I think this goes far beyond them simply being "losers." They have a mental illness that was left unchecked.
Lacking the tools or even direction to know that change can be had- certainly mental illness or depression, but maybe avoidable with the right info/role models?
Yeah and, you look at countries like Japan with high suicide rates and you see males who are overworked and can't get a spouse, but they only kill themselves instead of others. It seems there's a cultural factor as well, and I think bullies are the primary reason these kids in the US are committing shootings, coupled with bad parenting.
Wow. All I can say, wow. Well said
I was with this until the forced blow job part. Wtf even is this???
Only americans are baffled by this. I'd trust an american opinion on gun related violence about as much as an obese person with cookies. It's not someone i can take seriously.
The sooner we give up our weapons, the sooner we can welcome a truly strong and authoritative cuckold, er, leader like Trudeau! He's going to do WONDERS for Canadian youffs! Just wait and see!
WE CANT HAVE A RACE WAR IF THEY TAKE OUR FUNS
It's a shame that i had to sort the comments by controversial to find the best sensible answer here.
You have to be very stupid to not know that the USA's issue with school shooting resides in poor gun control.
This is purely genius tier analysis. The sense made is indisputable.
dont call yourself red pill unless you can take an objective look at one thing every lunatic/mass shooter/terrorist has in common. they're usually non-white, liberal/democrat, children of illegal immigrants.
this isn't a gender thing, this isn't a gun issue, it's a matter of being smart and getting tough on who we let in our country, our home.
in 1950's, schools had shooting ranges and shooting lessons taught to kids. 0 school shootings back then. why? america was 90% white. now america is down to less than 60% white population, and mass shootings are happening once a week it seems. in europe, when the non-white population increased, rape and terror attacks increased exponentially.
every muslim and illegal immigrant must be deported immediate to save countless lives.
Just as every bigot must be deported from online access to save countless minds.
oh no not that word! anything but THAT word! why, next youll say im wayycisss
he said the b word your argument is now destroyed
it is what it is fam! sometimes you win, but sometimes you get BTFO! LOL
You suggest women would fuck the losers?
That strategy would just breed more losers into the world.
Why don't you go down on a 0 HB with huge cysts all over her obese body, bad breath and huge, disgusting, smelly bush?
Spergy the clown doesn't understand a thought experiment to prove a larger point!
You might be harboring unreasonable expectations for some of these people.
give a hard beta 1 gf and 4 plates, and he will learn TRP without ever reading it
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or did your mother do drugs while you were in the womb?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHamoosHpEQ
Bullshit. The main reason for these killings is the NATIONAL DEATH COUNT.... THE GREATEST KILLING SINCE COLUMBINE !
Like I knew straight away that this was the second worst killing in US history - he must have been pissed... 17 victims. Not quite enough bullets?
The school shootings stop when the umbilical cord between the event and the televised death count is severed. Its that simple.
The school shooters are always angry incels. Maybe legalizing prostitution would help?
Small correction. The reason we can't do proper research, is because the GOP literally wrote that into law. Just sayin... Wasn't the fems on this one.