So if men want sex, then all they need to do is ask for relationships?

mechanical_elves · 2021-04-26T21:06:45+00:00

So basically get sex by lying about wanting a relationship?

I mean this is already a strategy for some men, so you're saying men should do more of this?

reluctantly_red · 2021-04-26T21:48:33+00:00

Women don't want relationships with guys they don't want to fuck.

trueorfalsedmitry · 2021-04-26T20:54:30+00:00

Yes. This is effective: Making a woman believe you're in it for an LTR is a great way for a beta to get some tail.

Mustbeaight · 2021-04-26T22:18:12+00:00

Lol average guys and below don’t gatekeep shit apart from our dicks.. « chad » or however you call it gate keeps relationships

4everrekt · 2021-04-26T22:20:05+00:00

Sounds good, doesn’t work. If you’re not attractive, ol girl’s not gonna want to be in a relationship with you. If you were sufficiently attractive, most would have sex with you regardless of whether you’re in a relationship or not.

Ihateregistering6 · 2021-04-26T20:50:33+00:00

So if thats the case most men who are sexless should ask women to be their gf right? Then they would have sex with them right?

If all you want is sex and you don't want to actually be in a relationship with this person, why would you ask them to be in a relationship?

flamingoinghome · 2021-04-26T21:14:01+00:00

Literally yes. I've said for a while that the truly lonely guys who come round subs like this sometimes really ought to just make an account on a non-swipe dating site, find a homely, lonely woman, take her out a couple times, and ask to be her boyfriend. They'll be getting laid, won't be so lonely, and honestly will probably have much more in common with this girl than the club chicks RP is telling them to go after.

They claim this Couldn't Work Because Of Reasons, and go back to seething at Instagram models and random women on tinder.

StunningEstates · 2021-04-26T22:22:57+00:00

Lmao, this is hilarious. Everyone is answering with “yes” and you’re like “wait, no, but my point was that-“ 😂

Lokipoki29 · 2021-04-27T04:22:15+00:00

IMO men don’t have a easier time getting relationships , they just don’t care whether they get a relationship they just want sex ,

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2021-04-26T20:59:44+00:00

Yes you are correct, but what if the women doesn’t want a relationship? That’s why women are single , they are choosing it, men aren’t . They’d rather get sex from out of their leagues or be celibate. It’s the state we are in today .

wateroclock · 2021-04-26T21:11:53+00:00

Women are outspoken about men gatekeeping commitment. Men are outspoken about women gatekeeping sex. Both ideas are loud, and making general judgements on them alone is too much.

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-04-27T05:15:10+00:00

That is the easiest way. Guys do that a lot. Lie about long term goals for sex. Hell they may even drag the women along for years knowing damn sure they don't want to commit. If a girl has to keep prying a guy about their future rest assured he does not want it. Follow the guys actions not their words. Also Im a guy, just passing some of the manipulation tactics guys do for sex so women hopefully wise up and avoid it.

superlurkage · 2021-04-27T05:23:07+00:00

The solution is sex workers, but men don’t want this perfectly logical answer for some reason.

2021-04-26T23:43:02+00:00

So if thats the case most men who are sexless should ask women to be their gf right?

There aren't any women who want a relationship with these men, either.

The only who are the gatekeepers of relationships are usually very high quality men.

That is correct, there's an assumed minimum "quality."

wtknight · 2021-04-27T00:39:44+00:00

The only who are the gatekeepers of relationships are usually very high quality men.

Not really, because almost every woman wants a monogamous relationship eventually, and average women are going to be forced to have relationships with their attraction match since they can't get the high value men who they really desire to commit to them. These average-level men can still deny these women a permanent relationship if they so choose, although they're not going to get sex as quickly in the dating phase as the high value men do.

So if thats the case most men who are sexless should ask women to be their gf right? Then they would have sex with them right?

The problem is that this only works once the woman is done trying to hook high value men into a relationship with early sex and she realizes that she is going to have to settle for a lesser man, so not every man is going to be able to do this at any point in his dating life. At some point, a man will likely be a gatekeeper of a relationship as long as he is at least a beta and not an omega, though.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2021-04-27T03:52:57+00:00

That would be the case if relationships == sex, which is patently false. Men can not force unwilling women to have sex because that is coercion or rape; conversely, women are not entitled to relationships just because they had sex.

Bandit174 · 2021-04-26T21:07:30+00:00

That would mean men stand a far easier chance of getting a relationship than getting sex than a woman would.

Nah, I agree more with your original statement that only high value men are the gatekeepers of relationships. An average guy probably does have an easier time getting relationship sex than casual sex but he definitely doesn't have it easier than the average woman.

Laytheblameonluck · 2021-04-26T23:12:17+00:00

The real question is, why aren't women choosing relationships?

Allblackallamerican · 2021-04-27T00:54:56+00:00

I’d definitely say that most young guys who are in relationships are in those relationships primarily for the benefit of having access to a woman they find attractive that lets them smash on a somewhat frequent basis.

That being said, not sure if I agree with the premise.

Lil_breadhead · 2021-04-27T01:19:54+00:00

Maybe life and relationships will be easier if you don't try to make it evolve around sex?

cloudsongs_ · 2021-04-27T02:51:46+00:00

But what if some men just want sex and not relationships? I don't think advocating for men to lie to women is the best way to solve this

CrackLover420 · 2021-04-27T03:36:32+00:00

Average men are starting to give up on relationships too. So much easier to hire a hooker than to get into a relationship.

MisterJose · 2021-04-27T13:23:23+00:00

No, this doesn't work. The problem is that relationships are one person for a long time, so you're going to take a lot of time and be very picky about who you enter into that with. Plus, if you're spending time talking to someone you just want to bang, you're very likely not going to connect with them as well as someone who actually, authentically, is a good relationship match for them, and you're going to lose out to them, as you probably should.

So, this would involve a lot of long-term non-sexual activity, and ultimate rejection. If you wanna bang, for better or worse, you have to make that clear, and not go along with anything that's not leading to that.

SonicBackScratcher · 2021-04-26T21:26:18+00:00

I've had guys complaining about the 80-20 rule also tell me they don't want a relationship either when I mentioned normal guys get a LTR not a new hookup every weekend.

Most men are not good looking enough to be players, but are fine for a real relationship.

_lemazaki · 2021-04-26T21:10:02+00:00

" The only who are the gatekeepers of relationships are usually very high quality men. "
agree

" So if thats the case most men who are sexless should ask women to be their gf right? Then they would have sex with them right? "

huge no
FIRST you have to fit for a relationship then ask. But if you fit you already have the sex (most cases)

and that is why some guys don´t get girls.

MasterTeacher123 · 2021-04-26T23:42:22+00:00

The vast majority of women who will fuck you for “free”(casually) will gladly be your GF if you asked. In fact many times they’re using sex to try to win you over.

hesipullupjimbo445 · 2021-04-26T23:51:15+00:00

Men get shamed and called misogynistic for that. Getting in a relationship for sex is “ObJeCtIfYiNg WoMeN”

These women don’t want relationships with these men either. Most guys don’t make close to enough money to make up for their looks. The only other thing a woman can gain from them is validation and why get it from him if she can get it from a man that’s actually attractive.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-04-27T02:49:53+00:00

I'm a guy that wants a relationship and it seems mostly like women just want to fuck me.

Weird how this works out.

Reisiluu · 2021-04-26T21:08:01+00:00

Most men are not asking enough women for relationships?

Correct. Have you seen 18-24 year old "men"? They are clueless and a lot of them seem to have less testosterone than little girls.

4everrekt · 2021-04-26T21:12:55+00:00

functioning women aren't the gatekeepers of sex. chad never asks his girlfriend or wife for sex it just happens. women who withhold sex in relationships or marriages are mentally retarded and their men have low testosterone

Naus1987 · 2021-04-27T09:09:31+00:00

Can’t I just get a relationship without sex? lol. Being asexual sucks sometimes ^{.^}

Notsonewguy7 · 2021-04-26T23:53:56+00:00

I don't want a relationship with women I just want sex. I'm just being bluntly honest.

Quirky-Shoulder1464 · 2021-04-26T21:16:01+00:00

"That would mean men stand a far easier chance of getting a relationship than getting sex than a woman would. "

No. The question is, is it easier for a man or for a woman to get into a relationship?

SaBahRub · 2021-04-26T23:41:37+00:00

The logical thing to do is to ask for sex if you want sex. And of you can’t get it for free, pay. And if you don’t want to do that, exchange stuff, status and company for it

You know, like what already happens?

JimBeamAndCoke2016 · 2021-04-26T23:45:28+00:00

Still need good looks to get a relationship. It wouldn't change anything. The top tier men would still hold all the cards.

2021-04-27T00:37:02+00:00

depends on the girl

LMM-GT02 · 2021-04-27T00:45:18+00:00

If you are a normal guy you can probably get sex if you string along a girl you aren’t into because she is either socially inept or are unattractive/fat, so you hold all the cards. You aren’t going to meet anyone’s attractiveness threshold for casual sex, and if you do, it’s someone you don’t want to be seen with because it would broadcast to your entire social circle that you are fishing in the bottom of the barrel. Your reputation with the girls you already know is now more damaged.

It’s really putting us between a rock and a hard place.

redback-spider · 2021-04-27T00:53:09+00:00

You miss a few variables especially age, yes the hot young women will filter out or if not eventually monkey branch from the low value guy, to only high value guys and they basically have only with them sex, and before you have sex a guy has no chance to deny a relationship.

Maybe that works in your early teens, but otherwise you are invisible. You seem to mix up the usual order things happen, usually sex happens first then relationship afterwards, especially in the states where even after sex seeing others is assumed by default.

Basically you take the speech to literally, yes of course only the man women choose can deny the relationship. But the point is that most women select the same few man for sex, therefor they can replace the ass of that women more easy and has therefor more power over relationship.

Yes of course a man can not force a women into relationship that has no romantic interest in him... you take it to literally.

Infernir · 2021-04-27T01:08:26+00:00

No, you have it backwards, women only enter relationships with guys they really want to have sex with or else really want their resources/money/status/connections/emotional support... something. When that thing they want dies out they want no relation with the man & find someone else to fulfill their needs.

They only seek intimacy and a life partner to experience the rest of life with in a committed relationship or raise good kids when they're older & are tired of sleeping around.

If they don't meet a guy they both want to have sex with really badly and also lock down so other women can't have him, no relationship happens. If the guy is interested in her body but doesn't want her as a LTR partner sex happens but no relationship. If a women is interested in something a guy has but didn't get with him for sexual reasons in mind, no sex happens or conditional sex/duty sex happens. It might happen a lot early on & completely stop later on.

SUEDE2BLACK · 2021-04-27T06:16:01+00:00

I tried this on OLD looking for relationship that leads to marriage...Crikets.

I've worded many different ways same.

So either I'm super ugly

Or there's more to attracting a woman than saying you want a relationship.

I think this will work if you allready have a relationship.

RunsWlthScissors · 2021-04-27T06:56:49+00:00

How about we start with empathy, understanding, and humor. You don’t need to be selling a false version of yourself, to make enough of a connection with a girl to take her home. That sounds positively painstaking.

I’d say about 70% of the women I’ve had the pleasure of going home with didn’t want a relationship, just someone fun to be with for a night or a few weeks. I’m not a top 20% dude, but why put yourself through that hell when you can just go to the bars, parties, or events and talk to girls. You get better at it with practice.

decoy88 · 2021-04-27T12:34:29+00:00

Women are already aware that some scummy men will lie for commitment just to have access to sex...

... there’s like... entire subreddits dedicated to weeding those types out.

100L-RBF · 2021-04-26T23:10:06+00:00

All the Chad's get to bang for free. They rest of us have to sign our lives away.

801735 · 2021-04-26T21:17:27+00:00

Nah, just legalize prostitution for buyers, too, and the "problem" will be gone.

Also reintroduce brothels and older men taking younger guys to have some carnal fun by default a couple of times every year or month so that at least the money will be well spent and not wasted on having to tolerate the shitty dates so many guys have stopped going on because of the low quality of that, which transports the pussy around.

Surely you agree it'd solve the "sex" problem. You don't hate guys now, do you?

pablosito · 2021-04-27T04:25:31+00:00

Who puts their knee down? That’s what you’re missing. Yes women have all the power for sex and relationships. But it’s men who generally decide who and when to marry. That what being the gatekeepers of sex and relationships thing is getting at. Meaning men don’t want slags for wives. So if you wAnt to get get married maybe don’t be such a hoe.

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