Lesbian Couple in California Chemically Alter Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery

kevinciviced7 · 2016-07-24T14:43:01+00:00

I really don't think a child should be able to make these decisions even with parental consent. If you're over 18, sure. 11 years old? No way

Rebax · 2016-07-24T13:42:47+00:00

So fucked up. Child abuse.

samsc2 · 2016-07-24T13:56:28+00:00

that kid is going to be fucked up for the rest of his life not just emotionally but physically due to the hormones his genitalia might never mature fully leaving him with possible micro penis syndrome

droidtime · 2016-07-24T13:29:59+00:00

Something tells me they are pushing their kid in a certain direction that th kid wouldn't have gone to if they weren't imposing themselves on him/her or whatever they want their kid to be today.

NaughtyFred · 2016-07-24T15:47:57+00:00

I've lurked here for a while, had to post about this.

Does Californias' Child Services not have a hotline where people can report suspected abuse of a child?

If it does, why not drop a dime on these abusers?

dude-meister · 2016-07-24T17:56:35+00:00

I've seen this photo before. The young child certainly does not LOOK happy, or seem happy, but a single photo can be pretty deceiving. This photo has made the rounds in articles having vague to explicit anti-gay themes (unfit to be a parent!) anti-trans themes (its unnatural and against nature!) and anti-feminist themes (look, these FEMINISTS are turning their son into a girl!!!)

Now, I'm here for the same reason as all of you-- I don't like feminist overreach, misandry, or the demonization of men. But there is no evidence here that any of that has happened.

This is not new reporting-- its recycled from 2011. With the recent explosion of attention to transgender issues, why dredge up a photo from half a decade ago? because it fits a narrative. Which Hillary do you like? This one, or this one? Which McCain? This one, or this one? The photo doesn't tell the story.

If you read a CNN article on the couple, you will find out that the young trans girl's older brothers are both identifying as boys, and are athletic and boisterous-- basically they fit the masculine stereotype to the T. You can see the girl as a young boy, dressed as a boy, and held in a little car by her parents. You can see her looking considerably more happy than in the photo from the hit-job article. You can see that she has had some pretty difficult health problems as well that are not mentioned in the other article.

You can go online and read articles about this family that push other narratives as well: "Lesbian Jews Brainwash Adopted Gentile 11-Year-Old to Take Hormone Therapy to Prevent Puberty as a Male". Those Jews! Always brainwashing young gentiles!! No need to google the article-- you can probably guess it's pretty antisemitic.

The photo doesn't look great, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Please don't read this article and come to snap judgments.

smann39 · 2016-07-24T13:47:03+00:00

Does anyone have an update as this is from a year ago?

Seventh_Planet · 2016-07-24T22:44:21+00:00

Which of these cases is more likely?

a) a boy to a lesbian couple is raised as a boy, and wants to be a boy, lives his life as a man.

b) a boy to a lesbian couple is raised as a boy, wants to be a girl, because deep inside him he doesn't feel right as a boy, has to endure puberty of a boy, his body becoming more and more strange to him, then maybe in his late twenties he decides to get a transition to become a female, and lives better and a happier live afterwards.

c) a boy to a lesbian couple is raised as a boy, but at an early age he expresses his wish to his parents, that he is a girl, and wants to be a girl. So the parents talk to doctors to get their opinions, and are told that a transition can be more healthy and more fulfilling, if it happens before puberty. So the parents allow their child to undergo transition at that early age of 8, the boy becomes a girl, lives as girl and grows up to be a woman, leaving a happy and healthy life.

d) a boy to a lesbian couple is raised as a girl, and is being pressured by his parents into questioning his own gender identity, and out of pressure or to do his parents a favor, he asks them, if he could be a girl instead of a boy. The parents allow it, and the boy undergoes transition at an early age, becoming a woman after puberty, and living life as a woman.

CyberToyger · 2016-07-24T23:50:30+00:00

This is probably one of THE most grey areas I've ever walked across on this subreddit.

I had to do a bit of digging to get some more information. I came across:

"The 3-year-old had learned sign language because he had apraxia, a speech impediment that hindered his ability to talk. The toddler pointed to himself and signed, "I am a girl."

"Oh look, he's confused," his parents said. Maybe he mixed up the signs for boy and girl. So they signed back. "No, no. Thomas is a boy."

But the toddler shook his head. "I am a girl," he signed back emphatically."

One the one hand, if this is indeed an honest recollection of events, then it doesn't seem like these mothers are the 'Marxist Feminist' types. However, given that the child has a speech impediment, I am curious as to whether 'gender identity' could be another disorder in this specific case. Also, 3 years old is extremely young to be cognitively aware of gender -- not going just by my own experience, but also having helped raise my younger brother (4 years younger than me) and my younger twin sisters (who are 20 years younger than me), who didn't even notice there was a difference in genitalia between males and females until age 6.

All that being said, I see that they put their child on a hormone blocker as opposed to a hormone replacement therapy. I would very much like to know with absolute certainty what the involved risks are, such as potential major health issues, the potential for winding up with a micropenis if the child ever decided to stick with being a male and if the penis is incapable of growing much after going through puberty at an adult age. This is the kind of shit I'd like to know before making a hasty judgement, because as much as my gut wants me to believe that this is a cut-and-dry case of two SJW mothers regretting adopting a 3rd son and wanting to turn him into a daughter, I can't in good conscience be as knee-jerky as all the SJW trash out there.

This isn't something humans have just done naturally for thousands of years, so there is no objectively correct answer, yet. If this child were to change their mind before or once they turn 18 and want to be a male after all, if their genitalia can still grow despite already being adult aged, then I find it difficult to argue against.

Naftoid · 2016-07-24T19:30:44+00:00

Copying a comment from /r/rage:

Okay, so I read it and it's not as bad as the title implies. They didn't force this idea on him, this kid insisted that they were a girl from very early on, was seeing psychiatrists, and threatening genital mutilation. They aren't transitioning the kid, just using hormones to delay puberty until they're old enough to really go through with it so they can transition a lot easier. Is this the smartest decision? I dunno. Is it as bad as the author and title make it out to be? Nah, man.

joeforamerica is not an unbiased source, and it's not as bad as it's being made out. If he does change his mind when he's older, there won't be major permanent effects

EsraYmssik · 2016-07-24T16:00:14+00:00

Child abuse pure and simple. It's probably a lost cause by now. This kid will end up killing himself by 17.

Jugh3ad · 2016-07-24T18:58:41+00:00

This is a tough one. One thing that has not been mentioned in this thread is this...

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder.

Now I'm very anti forcing a child to do anything. Hell, I am anti circumcision on children. The fact that the kid threatened to cut off their genitals is a huge red flag.

zeMouse · 2016-07-24T19:57:02+00:00

Jfc, they're giving them puberty-delaying treatments BECAUSE they're very young to be making such a permanent decision. If at any point in the next several years they decide they want to live as their birth gender, stop the treatments and male puberty proceeds as normal.

The kid isn't getting any extra female hormones or going through female puberty or getting any operations done. They simply are postponing male puberty. The entire point is that it gives the kid time to mature emotionally and mentally before they actually decide to transition.

2016-07-24T18:22:49+00:00

Is there a more reliable news source?

Hypnosomnia · 2016-07-24T19:37:59+00:00

this isn't an uncommon plan for parents and their doctors to make this decision for their children who may be transgender and frightened of puberty. The fact that the parents are lesbian is irrelevant. This author of this article is disgusting to suggest otherwise. r/mensrights is better than this.

EsraYmssik · 2016-07-25T10:23:57+00:00

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stop_stalking_me · 2016-07-24T17:47:33+00:00

I can't believe I'm going to ask this question because it annoys me when I see this question show up in almost every single post here (especially ones where it's clearly obvious what the answer is) but how does this relate to MR? This is an outrage and infuriating for sure and I don't know how this isn't considered abusive behavior but I don't see what this has to do with MR. Could someone kindly explain?

Chross · 2016-07-24T18:39:15+00:00

Its becoming pretty normal to delay puberty in cases of gender dysphoria until a child is old enough to make a decision on whether to transition or not. I don't get all the negative comments. If the parents were a straight couple would people be as concerned? Are there other accepted medical procedures that are socially unacceptable for homosexual parents to consent to for their children?

mstrmatt · 2016-07-24T16:10:26+00:00

This really pains me, this kid is being pressured into a huge life altering event and he's not even of puberty age yet!!

jaheiner · 2016-07-25T00:20:49+00:00

How much do you want to bet that this poor kid spent his childhood being told how evil men are by these manipulative cunts?

Gee I wonder why an 11 year old would make that choice when I didn't even know that was a fucking option when I was 11. Maybe because he was force fed this bullshit and never allowed to make the choice for himself?

hyugafan · 2016-07-24T16:58:06+00:00

Disgusting. There should be a law against this. No way the child can give informed consent!

putittogetherNOW · 2016-07-24T21:52:40+00:00

And this is ok by the District Attorney and child protective services?

IronWolve · 2016-07-25T00:38:45+00:00

Nobody knows they are a girl (or boy) at 3. Check the CDC milestones for a 3yo development details.

2016-07-25T03:48:53+00:00

Yeah, this is messed up. I can't imagine any doctor that specializes in gender transitions recommending this. They usually recommend that adults live as their preferred gender for a while before starting hormone therapy. It's not a decision to be taken lightly even for an adult, let alone a kid who has no fucking idea who they even are yet.

konoplya · 2016-07-25T05:06:05+00:00

the kid try to cut off his dick when he was 7 and was not happy. he was actually diagnosed with an identity disorder by psychiatrists. so its not just that he wants to be a girl and the parents are like OK. he actually has a disorder. if he's gonna be happy being a girl, then i guess good for him.

Constantine_John · 2016-07-25T11:27:19+00:00

It's great that this kid has such supportive parents. If only more trans kids were treated with this kind of understanding instead of being ostrasized. I just wish the author didn't sound so stuck up, as if her opinion validates or invalidates someone's gender.

XTHROWYAWAYZ · 2016-07-24T20:03:26+00:00

Most of these kids grow out of it, and end up as gay adults who prefer their birth gender. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25231780

RDGIV · 2016-07-24T20:27:27+00:00

This seems like exactly what conservatives fear when they oppose LBGT rights.

adam_st_christopher · 2016-07-24T16:18:02+00:00

Joe the Fucking Plumber! Now here is an unbiased opinion 🙄. His fifteen minutes were up a long time ago.

WallaWallaWhat · 2016-07-24T23:29:49+00:00

Why can't they just pray his male away

rg57 · 2016-07-24T18:24:18+00:00

Misleading headline. And I don't think a plumber (who isn't even a plumber) is an expert on human sex.

Knowing that we have a way to let a child grow up as the sex they say they are, it is abusive to permit their growth to take a different (and permanent) path.

This child is not a boy. The politics of the parents is irrelevant.

morebeansplease · 2016-07-24T21:14:22+00:00

That was not a news article, that was ignorant hate speech.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

edit1 i cant spell.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2016-07-24T19:16:04+00:00

This is a tricky case since a) the child is deaf so unambiguous communication won't always happen and b) it's at least believable the child has been conditioned to favor feminine things.

Involution88 · 2016-07-24T19:22:23+00:00

I'll take radfem lesbians wanted a daughter for 100.

LessASnowmanThanAGod · 2016-07-24T23:37:38+00:00

I highly doubt their claim that this child was threatening, unprompted, to remove his penis when he was however fucking young. Sounds really fishy.

ethanwnashville · 2016-07-25T00:08:00+00:00

Wow these women need to be stopped. This is horrible let the kid make his own decisions

2016-07-25T00:28:14+00:00

You know, this just seems a little bit worse than circumcision.

videohead85 · 2016-07-25T01:14:20+00:00

This isn't a men's rights issue OR a feminist issue.

Watch this is you'd like a little more insight on the issue.

edbro333 · 2016-07-24T19:56:52+00:00

What a rag of a website.

Magicgenius · 2016-07-24T20:21:06+00:00

Good. This is fine

vlTNTlv · 2016-07-25T11:31:25+00:00

This is fucking repulsive

2016-07-24T16:29:24+00:00

How is this not child abuse?

pabbenoy · 2016-07-24T17:54:43+00:00

Holy fuck these parents. Just by the look of them you can see they are totally batshit.

Not a nice, loving and soothing family picture. But two angry monsters and a scared little kid. Probably depressed as shit. Shoulders angled forward, head slightly put down, defensive pose(even covering his genetalia area).

Monsters, thats one fucked up kid, welcome to society!

Bestoftherest222 · 2016-07-24T18:45:47+00:00

I bet those lesbians told that boy his penis is evil every day. If the kid naturally moved in this direction, I would still wait for him to be an adult to began modifications. These parents are doing a disservice to the child.

Woah_woah_woah_dude · 2016-07-25T02:40:35+00:00

What the fuck? 11?

skywreckdemon · 2016-07-25T09:30:20+00:00

I'm transgender and even I feel that in this case, the parents seem to be pressuring the child to do this.

biscuitgravy · 2016-07-25T09:35:55+00:00

It's a child abuse Catch-22. Either let the kid mutilate himself or beat his ass until he stops listening to the voices in his head. I hope I never have to go through this.

purpleblossom · 2016-07-25T12:27:45+00:00

I'm trans and this whole 'parents pushing to have their kids transition young' makes me feel uncomfortable. Why? Because most are pushing to do it before or at the onset of puberty, a time when trans kids will know 100% they are trans because that's when we either develop or understand our gender dysphoria. I know I understood it but I sure as hell wasn't even mentally prepared to start transitioning before or during puberty, and doing this to a kid isn't going to actually help them grow up any better, it's just going to add to the confusion they are already going through on top of their gender dysphoria, if they even are trans and not just gender nonconforming.

Skyrmir · 2016-07-25T12:48:47+00:00

Have they had him pick out his tombstone yet? There's no way a kid that conflicted is going to make it in life, without offing themselves at some point.

EsraYmssik · 2016-07-26T05:18:46+00:00

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JesicaAndrela · 2016-07-27T16:18:48+00:00

I was going to say much the same as this. Heterosexual parents are increasingly making this decision as well. Whether you think pre-pubescent gender intervention is positive or not is one thing (going to be another 20 years until the really good data is available on whether it is more successful than later transitioning or not transitioning at all), but the sexualities of the parents is pretty irrelevant. http://zzporn.xyz/video/chloe-amour-joins-her-hot-pals-for-massage-fun/

Bearded_Deity · 2016-07-24T16:45:47+00:00

Kids say things all the time that are weird. Their They're kids. They don't know any better. As a parent you make decisions for your kid. So allowing this to happen is effectively doing it to your child. This is messed up. It's child abuse. An 8 year old doesn't get to make decisions like this. Period. The state should have come in and taken this child from these two idiots long ago.

waldrop02 · 2016-07-24T17:59:33+00:00

How is this not child abuse??

umar4812 · 2016-07-24T13:49:45+00:00

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locks_are_paranoid · 2016-07-24T18:19:29+00:00

This is definitely medical abuse.

SuggestiveMaterial · 2016-07-24T19:31:08+00:00

It's fine if he wants to live as a she, but as a parent it's our job to protect the child. Something these women aren't doing. 89% of children who believe they are transgendered grow up to live their lives as the gender they were born. They lead happy and healthy lives. Someone needs to take this kid away from them.

realister · 2016-07-24T19:53:31+00:00

Child abuse 100%

revenjack · 2016-07-24T21:59:34+00:00

More mentally ill people making more mentally ill people

2016-07-24T23:07:42+00:00

These women are literal misandrists. They are the very face of evil. Truly terrible.

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MRA-automatron-2kb · 2016-07-24T20:34:37+00:00

This boy needs to spend a year with his dad or a foster dad where he learn to enjoy being a boy.

CaptainnT · 2016-07-25T04:34:49+00:00

As someone who is gay and knows plenty of gay people.

Lots of gay boys like to dress up as girls (because in a child's mind being gay is similar to being a girl..so they don't feel like they're in the right body)

Some gay men grow out of this "phase" and some don't. The ones who don't either become transgender or become a drag queen.

I think transitioning early is a bad idea...because if they are one of the gays (or even hetero) who grows out of it this kind of treatment is irreversible.

Coffeechipmunk · 2016-07-25T08:20:19+00:00

Based on past "experiments," this kid will most likely kill himself.

2016-07-24T17:42:15+00:00

Disgusting.

metalbeak · 2016-07-24T17:57:49+00:00

I miss the old simple days.

16sapphireguys · 2016-07-24T20:09:38+00:00

Wait... so a child should be allowed to protect their genital integrity (making circumcision of infants illegal) because it should the child's choice... unless the child actually chooses to not protect their genital integrity?

A bit of a double-edged sword you're wielding, fellas?

Drago1214 · 2016-07-24T15:54:36+00:00

I can see a huge law suit 15 years down the road on this one.

medina5012 · 2016-07-24T20:57:05+00:00

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nullhypo · 2016-07-25T00:31:38+00:00

This is why noone wants to let homos have kids lol.

conspiracy_thug · 2016-07-24T18:13:27+00:00

What the fuck.

LEGALinSCCCA · 2016-07-24T20:28:32+00:00

FFS. This is just fucking ridiculous.

TheSkyward · 2016-07-24T21:18:39+00:00

This is obviously horrible and fucked up but what is with everyone in the comments of the article bashing Liberalism calling it "A cancer on the mind" and saying "Liberalism is evil" Like it fuck it is, just with any ideology there are extremists, but most people from the left don't think like that, I am an incredibly left leaning person and I can see this is fucked up. If some white supremacist neo-nazi KKK fuck up pulled a gun and shot a black kid I wouldn't say "Oh this is the fault of the right wing racist conservative monsters" Sure there are extremists but it isn't the fault of the ideology itself, it's the fault of idiots misinterpreting the meaning of the ideology. And people who think otherwise are to idiots. I wish there was something we could give dumb people to make them less dumb. A stupidity vaccine.

EsraYmssik · 2016-07-24T21:32:52+00:00

But surely doctors wouldn't do this surgery? And there's nothing forcing them to, right?

Serious question.

wiseprogressivethink · 2016-07-25T00:20:59+00:00

Homosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt.

2016-07-24T18:47:36+00:00

This is in the ball park of circumcision only worse, the kid should decide when its old enough. They should go to prison for mutilation

WAFC · 2016-07-24T23:04:06+00:00

Ugly boy.

Uglier girl.

Poor thing.

Hickster1991 · 2016-07-24T14:23:53+00:00

The child wants to be a girl. If she wanted to be a boy, I think she would have said it before. Providing hormone treatment early will give her a feminine body. It's a decision that can't be reversed, and will lead to long term effects. I really can't speak any further on this because I haven't heard the child speak. Anyone following this?

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LoisLane1975 · 2016-07-25T05:01:13+00:00

There's a special place in Hell for these women.

2016-07-25T08:26:49+00:00

This kid is going to be hanging from the ceiling in a few years.

that_all_you_got · 2016-07-25T10:08:55+00:00

I would really like for someone to collect stats on lesbian mothers and transgender children.

I had some neighbours in the same situation, the boy-to-girl must have been around 5 or 6.

I wonder if it's a statistical occurrence.

I also wonder if it's related to the child's natural instinct to imitate their parents.

Title	Lesbian Couple in California Chemically Alter Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery
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Upvotes	1374
Comments	474
Date	July 24, 2016 12:52 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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