How is it physically possible that there are twice as many single men as women?

wtknight · 2023-03-11T03:08:47+00:00

This has been discussed here recently. Possible reasons include:

Differing definitions of "singleness". A woman with a FWB may not consider herself single. A man with a FWB (or three) may consider himself single.

Women dating older men outside the age cohort being measured

Women in "harems", maybe a few of them actual literal harems, but most of them informal "soft harems" where she might only have one FWB but he has three or four, then these women all calling themselves "not single".

ashpr0ulx · 2023-03-11T02:40:12+00:00

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Notlikeotherguys · 2023-03-11T05:32:22+00:00

The ladies are all banging the same guys. My ex-wife often complains to me about how gross her friends are and how they all keep dating the same 2 or 3 guys back and forth and all the drama it causes.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2023-03-11T02:38:18+00:00

a lot of women think men are their "boyfriends" who dont share the feeling

Holden_Frame · 2023-03-11T04:22:49+00:00

As explained in another post, I'm not sure why (primarily women) have such a hard time coming to terms with this new reality.

Anecdotally, I know countless average but "not ugly" guys who I've literally never seen with a girl, much less a girlfriend. They have zero game, and clearly have given up.

As for women, I've known absolutely dumpy women with active dating lives. It's rare that I meet a "single" woman and if she is, almost regardless of her appearance, if she is remotely within the "fuckable" range, she will be getting hit up for dates.

No man who is merely "not hideous" is getting this treatment. Only women.

So that's #1

The next point is that the 80/20 ration is always misconstrued and taken too literally.

It doesn't mean that 80% of women are literally "sharing 20% of men" at any given time, it means that 80% of women greatly prefer that 20% and will end up in 1 of 3 situations as a result:

Date a top 20 guy and not ask many questions
Find a "placeholder" boyfriend
Just stay off the market until she can get a top 20% guy for a brief period of time

rinse repeat.

Any of those options are absurdly easy for average women to do, and thus they will very rarely be "off the market" because they can quite easily find a top 20 guy to future fake with them long enough for them to claim to "be dating" before they get ghosted and repeat the process.

Like I said in my other comment,

Let's use an example like "West Elm Caleb".

Consider that, at his peak, he probably had 10 women "interested"

Of those 10 women, he was probably banging and courting 2-3 of them at any given time. During this time, those 2-3 women would claim to be "dating", while Caleb would likely claim to be "single"

Now, take another 3-4 out of 10 that already "dated" West Elm Caleb but haven't come to terms with the fact that he ghosted them because it's too embarrassing. They might be inclined to claim they are "seeing somebody" too even if "it's complicated"

Then the remaining 5-6 women are either in Caleb's cue, or pissed off at men and holding out for another top guy so they are off the market as well.

It all adds up to Caleb taking 10 women "out of circulation" and explains a huge part of the 2:1 disparity here.

Steakman1 · 2023-03-11T02:37:44+00:00

The possibilities I can think of are:

People on one or both sides aren’t telling the truth. Some women might straight up lie or think their situationship is an actual relationship.
Women are dating men older than 30 since the study was done on people younger than 30. It might be more rare for women in their early 20s to be dating a guy older than 30. But I think it’s much more normal for women over 25. So women will be dating men that fall out of the age range in the study. And since men tend to date younger, most of the women they date will fall into the age range in the study.
More men than we thought do actually have multiple girlfriends
Im not sure if the study was strictly for heterosexual people or not. But if not, lesbian couples could skew the results.

hiddendance · 2023-03-11T02:39:43+00:00

Women share the same men. The red pill literally talks about this all the time.

KamuiObito · 2023-03-11T08:18:14+00:00

Women think men who have hoes will love them more..but the other women does as well..that’s how women are very easily manipulated..basically a bunch of mature 14 year olds

jah-roole · 2023-03-11T02:29:37+00:00

When I was single, I dated multiple women at a time 3-5.

paidshill29 · 2023-03-11T02:42:21+00:00

Oh look, it's this post again!

SteakhouseBlues · 2023-03-11T04:07:54+00:00

Chad dating multiple women, who on the other hand believe they are the only one in a relationship with him. Meanwhile, young single women are riding the cock carousel while single men who don’t look like Chad are opting out of relationships and marriage, realising they’re not worth it anymore.

Weird_Slice4439 · 2023-03-11T05:39:02+00:00

Side chicks

EricFisherNo1 · 2023-03-11T09:44:59+00:00

Someone is telling lies. Hot women in seemingly traditional relationships are always playing on the side, even denying it to themselves. Or just the studies are poor and not representative.

MorganSeer · 2023-03-11T04:18:35+00:00

Women also date women.

GoranDragash · 2023-03-11T03:56:59+00:00

There are too many men who don't have a partner. There are too many women who say they've been cheated on

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2023-03-11T09:16:56+00:00

It isn't. What is physically possible is how someone defines "single".

BackAgain12345678910 · 2023-03-11T09:30:57+00:00

Women are dating the same men. I’ve dated, and am usually dating, multiple women for extended periods of time. But I also worked on myself A LOT during my entire youth. For reference I’m 35 now. But I’ve been lifting since I was a teen. And have always been an absolute nerd when it comes to self improvement. Before all this red pill shit. My bookshelf was full when I was 17.

Paliant · 2023-03-11T12:30:23+00:00

I can think of many explanations, but one that’s never mentioned is immigration. It primarily affects the younger demographics, and let’s be honest, when you see footage of people coming over the US border what are THOSE demographics like? Few families and tons of young single males. Hmmm wonder what a bunch of extra young immigrant males would do to a dating scene…

potoricco · 2023-03-11T15:15:47+00:00

Women having different ideas of what constitutes a “relationship”

SpookyBoogie69 · 2023-03-14T00:14:46+00:00

Men on average date lower, are way more desperate, and need to become something in order to attract the same demographic of women who just go for older men who have higher social status . The sexual marketplace is ruled by women who can afford to pass on offers because men have a higher sexual drive and will always be the simps in our species. Who would have known that when women are equal with men in society they will leave the average guy behind because they go for the top %? ( not all but it sure seems like a lot based on the stats )

Scarce12 · 2023-03-11T07:32:07+00:00

There needs to be more research, but nobody's interested because such research makes women look bad.

Safinated · 2023-03-11T02:46:43+00:00

Easy: lying, cheating, age gaps, and also half of those men not wanting to commit anyways

DepartmentCertain987 · 2023-03-11T03:40:14+00:00

Hypergamy. 80% of all girls are dating 20% of all guys because women’s standards for men’s physical attractiveness have gone up to ridiculous levels. It’s especially bad with gen z women.

eye_of_gnon · 2023-03-11T06:49:00+00:00

There aren't, no reliable study ever showed this. I can believe there is some disparity but it can't possibly be twice as much. Odds are women are defining what "single" or "dating" means differently than men

sinspaceengineering · 2023-03-11T12:58:18+00:00

The study you are reffering about speaks of young men and young women (18-29).

The data to extrapolate is simple: most young women date older men.

resultsmatter1 · 2023-03-11T13:58:16+00:00

I don’t think people are lying. Men have zero incentive to lie about this stat and the same goes for women.

I don’t think it has to do with a misunderstanding of what dating is. Even in a world where the nuanced definition of we’re dating is defined differently it’s not different enough to account for a 2:1 difference.

A small number of men experience the dating scene as women do and maybe better - endless options to sleep with and they do it. Women would rather simp for these men, wait for their turn, or not date at all.

I think there is some percent that is dating older. As I’ve gotten older it’s become clear to me as a regular older guy that more and more younger women have an age gap fetish.

The two likely scenarios are that the 80/20 principle in practice and some women dating older but mostly 80/20.

LupeDyCazari · 2023-03-11T14:25:30+00:00

Dunno.

Could be that the women are part of a guy's soft-harem, and she believes herself to be the only one dating the guy so she says she is in a romantic relationship.

Or she is aware she is part of a guy's harem and she is fine with it and goes ahead and says she is in a relationship.

Or she isn't in a relationship, and she is only hooking-up and is only interested in hooking-up, but to keep people from shit-talking her, like the girl being weird for being single and so she claims to be in a relationship.

Yes, I used to visit the /r/relationships_advice months ago, and it was very common to find the frontpage of the sub entirely full with posts from women asking for advice about their relationship, and the vast majority of those threads, the women were in their late teens up to their mid 20s and the men were early to late 30s, and even plenty of dudes in their 50s dating women in the 18-30 age demographics.

At first I wondered what these women were up to, dating men who were much older than them, but then I remember that there's a world crisis going, a global pandemic, a global recession, and it's easier for the individual person to conquer a foreign nation on his own, than it is to ''buy' a house, and guys in their 30s and 40s and 50s are far more likely to have a home, even if it's rented, than the typical 18-25 year old broke ass college student/entry-level salaryman, yeah?

There's probably a lot of old men who are using their money and the fact that they have at their disposal a house, to do what they want, and the women are aware of this disparity in power and the lack of equality in the relationship and they resent it( while probably cheating on their old as fuck boyfriends with men their own age).

Now that I think about it, I remember being invited by a friend who was hired to play for the A.S. Roma F.C. club to play for the main team, to come and visit him in Rome, Italy, and as my friend was living in an affluent area of the city, it suddenly dawned on me that the vast majority of the romantic couples - and there were many of them - was all about an age gap relationship.

The women were all in their late teens up to their mid 20s at most, and the guys were late 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s. Even saw a dude who, despite running 10 miles a day, and drinking protein shakes , was very obviously in his seventies, french-kissing a woman who couldn't be older than 18.

The red pillers dream, eh?

Hmmm, I've always said that most women under the right situations are all very likely to become prostitutes, it's just that instead of having many clients.. they usually have just one. Their husband, or the rich old dude they got pregnant by to secure a hefty child-support income going for 18 years.

richard_golbes · 2023-03-11T03:10:01+00:00

It's not "men" and "women" it's men and women between the ages of 18-29 with the singleness of the men heavily loaded toward the young side of that range.

The average age of first marriage for men is 30.

M_LaSalle · 2023-03-11T13:46:41+00:00

This is a bit like the theory of relativity, where Einstein proved that the speed of light in a vacuum is c in any inertial reference frame, and that the spacetime values from one intertial reference frame to another are covariant with respect to the Lorentz Tansformations. After you realize that this is true, you're left working out the consequences. "But...but...that would mean that time passes at a different rate if you're in motion." Or, "But...but...that would mean that mass can be converted to energy and vice versa."

The consequences here are equally hard to wrap you head around. Once Professor Einstein proves that women are hypergamous in any inertial reference frame, once you realize that twice as many men are single regardless of relative motion, then you are left to work out the consequences, and those consequences are hard to accept. "But...but...that would mean that large numbers of women are slutting with the same small percetage of men." Or "But...but...that would mean that no matter how hard a man works on himself what matters is only his relative attractiveness in relation to other men, and this is true in any Galilean coordinate system."

EDIT: "From Job's friends insisting that the good are rewarded and the wicked punished, to the scientists of the 1930's proving to their horror the theorem that not everything can be proved, we've sought to impose order on the universe. But we've discovered something very surprising: while order DOES exist in the universe, it is not at all what we had in mind." - Professor Birac

mlo9109 · 2023-03-11T14:22:02+00:00

Go on the internet as a woman and you'll see why. Incels and mgtow are things. Sure online dating is an option but we have to sift through piles of shit to find one good person. We have to worry about unsolicited dick pics at best and actual murder at worst.

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motheaas · 2023-03-11T03:34:25+00:00

Twice young men as young women*

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2023-03-11T06:44:40+00:00

I think the biggest factor is the definition of single. It means different things to different people,

metasekvoia · 2023-03-11T10:36:20+00:00

A man and a woman are dating. The man considers himself single, the woman thinks she's in a relationship.

Gilmoregirlin · 2023-03-11T14:53:57+00:00

Single and the ability to get laid are two entirely different things. So when you ask a woman if she's single she is only going to answer yes if she's in a committed monogamous relationship. Whereas it seems most men believe simply the ability to go out and have sex means one is not single. Why can women go out and have sex whenever they want and men not? Well the answer to that is men. Men are not as discriminating when they chose a sexual partner, but they are discriminating when it comes to choosing a life partner.

neetykeeno · 2023-03-11T16:17:14+00:00

This is the sort of thing I would want to very carefully read the research design and questionnaire involved to answer.

Gtedx · 2023-03-11T17:05:40+00:00

Chad harems.

Physical-Pie748 · 2023-03-11T17:55:30+00:00

i can tell you. women in their 20s date men in their 30s, women are in situationships with men who date more than one woman. some men on dating apps have a rotation of different women, at the same time many men cant even get one date and stay home / play videogames instead.

scwizard · 2023-03-11T18:43:48+00:00

There could be situations where the girl considers herself in a relationship and the guy considers himself single and just doing some casual things.

Lots of situationships like this I think.

anon-sucks · 2023-03-11T19:08:32+00:00

In the US there are slightly more men born than women. By the time we reach our 40s, so many men have died in that generation that the population ratio tips and there are more women than men.

The only way there can be more single men than women is if women are sharing the same men… with knowledge or not: or women are defining something as a relationship when the men aren’t.

James_Cruse · 2023-03-11T19:39:13+00:00

Again, I made a comment about this in another post: the PEW Research numbers are really cold hard exposure of the fact that women are hilariously single and are in denial/lying about the seriousness of their relationship to these researchers polling them.

Everyone’s having a aneurysm in the media because they’ve read these numbers and it makes no sense - no-one ever considers that women are completely delusional or just lying to soothe their egos. Why does no-one ever think women are lying? Big black pill for normal people with this poll about how women think.

How many “couples” have you met where the man is very casual (just wants a sex partner/hookup) and the woman thinks she’s in a full blown relationship and heading for marriage?

I literally see this every day of my own life. It’s also happened to me personally many times.

My friends or family happen to talk to a women I’m seeing by chance and say, “Oh, James, I didn’t know you were so serious about her. She told us you were serious/hopefully an engagement soon/wanting to have a family” and I just LAUGH.

We’ve never discussed it, it was never mentioned or even HINTED AT: I TOLD her directly is wasn’t serious but these women live in denial/just lie to people.

What’s the alternative (true) answer for PEW researchers here:

”Yeah, I’m a un-married woman in my 20’s/30’s/40’s being used for sex by a guy who has never expressed any interest in a serious relationship with me because he KNOWS he can do better than me. I’m dating him because he’s out of my league and he’s dating me because I’m convenient regular sex. I’m just a sex placeholder until he finds someone he wants to actually marry but I’m still hopeful it’ll get serious lol”

This is why these women lie: the truth is extremely embarrassing for them.

These women are playing themselves. We say that in this space ALL THE TIME.

punapearebane · 2023-03-11T21:55:18+00:00

Are we talking about a certain age bracket? It seems that generally its quite equal. And most of the time there are more single women than men.

https://www.magnifymoney.com/news/single-adults-study/

Agitated_Hunt5917 · 2023-03-14T03:53:44+00:00

Allot of women are getting cheated on

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