Strawman N count discussions

brinkleybuzz · 2020-08-19T16:00:00+00:00

Very smart people have figured out that the past matters when assessing a person's willingness and ability to have a good long term relationship. We accept credit scores, job histories, Carfax reports, background checks, etc. as reasonable information that other parties should consider before making a financial or business commitment to us.

On the other hand, if a man wants to know the sexual and relationship history of a woman he's about to commit to long term, where the stakes are potentially much higher than buying a used car or hiring a new employee, he's considered "insecure" or "controlling".

Ladies, if you did it, own it. The guy who's considering you as a monogamous, long term partner has a right to know the truth about your past. If he can't handle your truth, you don't belong together.

yeezywusgood · 2020-08-19T13:43:37+00:00

Most of the time, it's women here with n counts even they're embarrassed about projecting their insecurity onto us. Not a big deal, pay no attention to it.

You do have some of the incel types parading about wanting a virgin. Ignore them too.

Sir_manalot · 2020-08-19T14:22:12+00:00

The three most common threads targeting the red pill side are:

Straw man attacks to try to convince people that N count doesn’t matter when it definitely does (it is even gender neutral). Usually with some “you are just a insecure virgin lol” insults mixed in.
Rationalizations about what women find attractive (See any thread with a form of “step 1. Be attractive” post that is almost always ignored by the op but upvotes to the top lol).
Mind games targeting the 80/20 rule. Never have any counter data (besides those that are misquoted ofc).

And that is like 90+% of the threads.

Scores_Man_Mund · 2020-08-19T18:01:48+00:00

Marrying a virgin is like winning the lottery. Fun to fantasize about, and I'm happy for people who get it, but you're a fucking moron if you plan your life around it or think it's a realistic goal. Saying you only want a virgin (if you're not religious) is like liquidizing all your assets to buy scratchers

rubbooyuri · 2020-08-19T15:36:28+00:00

Yes, well, the problem is the hypocrisy, not the count

You guys know that

M4sterDis4ster · 2020-08-19T14:25:06+00:00

Its the same anywhere in modern life and politics, as it is PPD debate.

Say something along the lines " I dont want immigrants from 3rd countries in my country" you will be called out as a fascist.

Say something like "I think vegan diet is unhealthy" you will be called out as animal murderer.

Say you dont date promiscuous women, you are insecure manchild.

JohnDoe9564 · 2020-08-19T14:40:52+00:00

I've noticed the average PPD women has an N count in the 20-40 range. They're not even afraid to admit it. They're trying to dismiss their past by shaming us for caring.

Pay no attention.

sublimemongrel · 2020-08-19T23:45:34+00:00

The strawman is just as bad from the opposing viewpoint. Men here complain about n counts over one, two, five, ten you name it. Then they make complaints about people arguing that men should be shamed into LTRing the “town bicycle” as if the only women who exist are virgins or women with n counts in the triple digits.

Sorry, women arguing against the ridiculous n count claims here aren’t generally talking about literal prostitutes or porn stars or women with body counts in the triple digits. They are talking about normal women. Yet anytime this issue is raised inevitably men recede into the “quit shaming me for not wanting to LTR ex prostitutes” and all similar sorts of bullshit.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2020-08-19T14:07:09+00:00

It does matter
No, I'm not a virgin, I've slept with almost 60 women
No, I'm not looking for a virgin, my fiance had only two long term (sexual) relationship previous to me
No, the past is not "the past". The past bites your ass sometimes
Yes, it's becouse of STD in initial stages
Yes, it's becouse promiscuous people tend to cheat or break up more (surprise! I broke up 58 times til now)
Yes it's becouse I don't want to get hurt
Yes, I'm also insecure. We all are, and if you are dating a promiscuous partner you've already good reassons to be so, I promise
Yes, it's becouse I don't like to be compared to other men. I mean, I'll do It for a job or a competition, but when it comes to women it's easier to look for one that doesn't have much to compare you to.
Yes, it's becouse "experienced women" more than not come from shitty experiences (that's why they are dating you and not their exes) and are sometimes irreparably broken, both physically and mentally, and sometimes also sexually, and I want a woman that can put her body and soul in our relationship, that invest as much as I'm willing to, and that brings three holes to the bedroom instead the only one her FWB forgot to dry fuck while she was drunk.

Edit: thanks for the award. There is hope in human race indeed! Somewhere... Out there... Not here though hahaha.

Substantial_Wasabi · 2020-08-19T13:45:21+00:00

I think it's fine to have a preference for a low n partner and i agree that doesn't mean you want a virgin. But on the flip side when guys here say they don't care about their partners n count you get a bunch of terpers calling him a cuck and saying his girls probably a whore or town bike. Alot of people here just cant grasp the concept that most people in real life don't care as much about n-count as they do. Not having a low n doesn't mean you're necessarily fucking everything moving. But with most people on this subreddit everythings black or white, a girls either a prude virgin or town bike, its exhausting.

2020-08-19T19:38:33+00:00

N-count matters. And I say this as a guy with a relatively high one myself. I have no problem being with any woman who has a high n-count either.

The problem arises when you define high. I'd say high is 30-40 people by age 30. And that's fine with me.

You might say high is 200 people by age 30. That is not fine with me. There's something seriously messed up in the head of someone who has fucked 200 people. Male or female, gender doesn't come into this one.

DerekMorganBAU · 2020-08-19T14:59:33+00:00

Personally I don't give af about n count because I'll never marry anyways.

I do hate how bitches with n counts that love sex act like it's the end of the world cause I'm a high n count man that loves sex.

I'm like the only reason you don't want me to be a "fuckboy" anymore is cause you’re more emotionally invested than I am 🙄

I like to mind fuck hypocrites like that. Which is hilarious because they say high n count bitches can't pair bond but they seem to with me 😂

relish5k · 2020-08-19T17:33:58+00:00

I guess the question is - what is your threshold for the town bicycle? 5? 10? 15? 20? 50? 100? And how do you factor in age?

If you spend your 20s with a couple of LTRs, lots of STRs and some FWBs, and a few ONSs...it's easy to wrack up quite an impressive n count by the time you are in your 30s without necessarily exhibiting promiscuous / poor judgement behaviors.

Throughawayman80808 · 2020-08-19T14:07:19+00:00

Dudes who care about N counts and high n count women are in two separate dating pools. So who gives a fuck what the other thinks?

Do these men get 'visceral disgust' about my escapades? Yes. Do I get visceral disgust about their views on sex? also yes.

Anthony-waltzs · 2020-08-19T14:09:03+00:00

I understand what you mean. It’s mostly the bitter grandmas and spinsters on here that say that because they don’t have any other argument. Of course we don’t expect to get a virgin woman. We just don’t want to end up with a woman who was literally being passed around and run through like a revolving door it’s not complicated. Women have all types of “rules” and demands that they do not want their partner to have but men having a no “slut” policy is the end of the world.

flamingoinghome · 2020-08-19T18:22:37+00:00

I mean, there's a statistically-signifcant group of men here who literally talk about wanting to marry virgins. That's not a strawman, it's a thing that happens. I was recently told that a woman who has ever had a casual hookup in her life was a "slut".

I think you're just assuming this is normal guys saying "it would be awkward to date a girl who's slept with all my friends" when there actually are a bunch of guys here arguing that kissing too many people makes one a "slut."

Barneysparky · 2020-08-19T13:58:27+00:00

There are many many reasons why two people would be incompatible. There are many reasons why relationships do not work out.

I find the discussions here about how many people, people have slept with to be silly.

Date people who are compatible with your life. End of story.

asdf333aza · 2020-08-19T18:45:50+00:00

Number count matters. It speaks to the type of person you are. The activities of your past matter. Saying the past doesn't matter is ridiculous. If a guy beat up all his previous ex gfs and said it's in the past and that it shouldn't matter, the next girl would still hopefully be hesitant when it comes to dating him. The same way a man would be hesitant when it comes to dating a girl who has been around the whole town and has a new bf every month.

Yonderlander · 2020-08-19T19:09:47+00:00

I've noticed the opposite, as soon as anyone talks about women who aren't virgins or enjoy sex, the conversation turns to them being sluts/ Town bicycles/ hundreds of dicks/ thousand cock stare. Works both ways.

CaptianCurry503 · 2020-08-19T20:32:48+00:00

I sort of see it the other way. I feel like a lot of guys on this sub make statements disqualifying lady's on N count they probably couldn't fuck anyway.

SpicyHeckGirl · 2020-08-19T23:13:57+00:00

I had no clue what n-count even meant until I started following these forums. It’s fascinating to me that this is apparently a concern for many guys here. I have never in my life had a guy even ask me or care. I have a sneaking suspicion that most guys on here who say they care about this sort of thing have some idea in their head about what a high n-count girl is “like” (AWALT, amirite?) but if he really fell hard for an amazing woman, only to find out she, ya know, lived her life before she met him, he would wonder why it really matters so much... but ofc eventually he’d ruin it all with his irrational jealousy about it.

Willow-girl · 2020-08-20T00:27:13+00:00

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usa_foot_print · 2020-08-19T14:09:09+00:00

I found a virgin and I wasn't even looking for one. To top it off, she is more attractive than any other woman I have ever met. This was also like 3 months before tinder existed.

nemma88 · 2020-08-19T14:14:25+00:00

I think there was like 1 guy in the last question thread that said a N > 0 was too much so yeah.

SteveSan82 · 2020-08-20T00:21:12+00:00

I've been with virgins. It doesn't guarantee she won't be a ho. I met a 19 year old virgin. Took her virginity and stayed together for 3 years. Turned out she was branch swinging those entire 3 years and dumped me for an older man after she got her bachelors degree.

Ofcourse a woman with a high notch count will never love you(the only way a woman is capable of loving you, not disney bullshit) but these days with internet and smartphones a low notch count woman will be curious as to what else she can get

Virgin or not, they belong to the streets

usa_foot_print · 2020-08-19T13:52:36+00:00

goodluck finding your virgin

I think I said that!

And I still mean it as its approached by the incel/mgtow types that post here.

N count is a poor argument for anything, its character. Due to our swinger hobby my wife has an n count that puts her into the SHE WILL CHEAT FOR SURE DON'T YOU KNOW THIS ONE STUDY HAS IT AT 13% PER SEXUAL PARTNER! level. I think based on her n count shes got about a 534% chance of cheating (I didn't do the math).

Yet if we were to quit swinging, something we talk about now and then as finding good couples is a pita and takes time, I have absolutely no fear at all of her cheating because its not her character.

N count matters when you are dealing with some hedonistic type who would rather ask for forgiveness (if caught) than permission in life and who as little empathy.

N count as a absolute thing is for men terrified of making judgements on their own. They want numbers to justify their actions, even their bad ones, because its gives them that mental assurance that if it goes wrong its not their fault as they followed the rules. I see these types even in my profession, they don't trust themselves to make good choices and are terrified of being at fault directly. In medicine those are the doctors who treat by averages without understanding that biology (and in this context relationships are biology too), never ever lets you say always and never except in the most gross extremes, and even then it can surprise you (Example, a large chunk of metal forced into your brain will always kill you, except for this guy and probably others)

akihonj · 2020-08-19T17:50:52+00:00

I think you're right about the n count, nobody wants to be with somebody who's taken more loads than a washing machine, excuse the phrase, but at the same time not being a virgin isn't really a big deal.

I think lost people have a limit though, that can be arbitrary of course and depends on the personal circumstances, for example for myself it's five either side. To me that's acceptable I don't want a nun and I don't want to be a prude about sex, it's hugely enjoyable and fairly popular as a past time for many.

However more than five at 40 years old above me and I have to question what the moral compass of that person actually is, like for example is she really that willing to stay in a relationship and work through issues if she's jumped into be with that many more, bear in mind my count is a modest number, certainly under 20.

Of course it's completely arbitrary and it's just as viable to have somebody say that 1 more than them and they are out, but I think that above say 20 to expect either a man or woman to be a virgin, is a bit much.

2020-08-19T19:27:23+00:00

I was a virgin until I was 24 and I'm super duper not jealous of that time in my life or how men treated me about it.

AnarchoNAP · 2020-08-19T20:16:59+00:00

Those arguments sound like this:

Person: Salary matters in a job.

Them: Good luck finding a job making infinity dollars a day!

joesmithasdf · 2020-08-19T22:56:59+00:00

It works both ways, all ways, really. The internet is basically a field full of strawmen and little grain.

gypsyyymoonss · 2020-08-19T23:25:20+00:00

Anyways. I would like to lose my virginity in a LTR. But I’ve never been in an LTR. Every guy keeps forcing me, key word “forcing” me in the casual sex lifestyle which I don’t want to be a part of. So here I am still a virgin at 20 about to be 21 soon. Not everyone who’s a virgin is “boring”. F off

poppy_blu · 2020-08-20T00:53:45+00:00

Whats your definition of high n count or a “town bicycle?”

poppy_blu · 2020-08-20T01:50:19+00:00

That’s one hell of a strawman you got there.

Unless you’re suggesting the only way to vet a potential partner is to ask her n count. LOL

ninetiesbaby16 · 2020-08-20T19:38:35+00:00

I’m pretty sure the n count of the average woman in her 20s is around 3, 4, or 5. Most have a few long term boyfriends lasting a few years until they find the right guy and settle down. I don’t know where you find all these double and triple digit n count women...I can count on one hand the women I’ve met with high n counts and they were all...obviously not quite right: very below average in attractiveness, had drug issues (alcohol, cigs, party drugs), shoplifted regularly, were highschool drop outs and came from heavily disadvantaged socio economic backgrounds.

PollaTronante · 2020-08-19T18:40:10+00:00

fucking town bicycle

Yeah, nothing as attractive to women as a man who openly disrespects women for *gasp* having sex.

skullirang · 2020-08-19T14:29:15+00:00

N count is a rough estimate of how crazy the person is. If you are proud of having a virgin girlfriend who stands and stares at you every 3AM in the morning, then you need to redo your criteria.

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MerryVegetableGarden · 2020-08-19T16:05:29+00:00

It's a false dilemma often posed by the sluts.

Title	Strawman N count discussions
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