Q4M: Why do (some of) you think that society just happens to cater to women's needs now, and ignores men's needs?

2025-05-04T18:23:53+00:00

lets put it this way

there are female exclusive spaces which are good, male exclusive spaces bad and women have to be part of it(look at boy scouts and sheds in england)

two people have drunk sex.. Men are gonna be at fault if the woman did not like it next morning

Men are expected to ask women out.. but we cannot do it in public, we cannot do it to a strange woman on socia l media, we should not do it at work, we have zero luck if we ask a friend out and dating apps are a nightmare. So with the logic, it should be women who should be asking out but they generally dont . So to sum it up. If we need a job, we have to apply but for the most part we are restricted from applying and expect the employer to reach us out and employers generally dont and if we starve because of it.. we are expected not to complain about it.

Any compliment/comment directed to a woman can get us to a trip to HR. if men avoid women at work, its still HR for discrimination and if we keep it strictly professional.. it is still a trip to HR

In court of law and general public.. it is a woman's word against us and we have to go out of our way to prove innocence if false allegations are charged and unlike an actual allegation... those can be very hard to prove

Men who do not pay child support can end up in jail.. women not so much

if a man avoids sex in bed.. it can be considered abuse.. if a woman avoids sex in bed.. its almost normal

And to sum it all up.. A man who can take care of himself is just normal.. A woman who can take care of herself is STRONG AND INDEPENDENT

Basically put the society is skewed in the general direction of women for a few decades now. It has been going out of its way to cater to women at the expense of vilifying and portraying men as these absolute near monstrous entities to the point that men even critiquing their mistreatment is met with vitriolic contempt and rebuttals . Quite frankly the new generation of men are seeing all this and are being apathic about it and it is concerning.

wtknight · 2025-05-04T16:09:56+00:00

It kind of does, in education, at least. There has been a lot of effort to improve the educational opportunities of women in past years, but little has been done, or even to recognize, the fact that many men are now falling behind when it comes to education.

No-Rough-7390 · 2025-05-04T14:40:29+00:00

I mean the statistic to point to is that women make up 60% of college students and yet for reasons only women can explain, women-exclusive scholarships are necessary.

It's like talking to a millionaire about how unfair the estate tax is.

DaddyStone13 · 2025-05-04T18:16:38+00:00

it's purposely designed to be that way. the average man was not meant to be successful in life, and this is nature's way of correcting course

Acrobatic_Computer · 2025-05-04T16:04:29+00:00

Almost every societal consideration we have for women today, how we consider what tone to use or subject to write about, to the backlash people face when making certain comments

I would contest this. There, historically, have been tons and tons of rules about how you need to treat women more softly. This was not something that came about in the 20th century, but rather predates it quite a lot. For example, not cursing around women became a norm in the Victorian Era (according to a quick google), showing that being "gentler" in your language was a consideration.

Women, en masse, saw a problem, worked to fix it, are still working to fix things, and society has become a better place for them.

The problem with this logic is that it is a double standard. Men as a group are condemned, for example, for not giving women the right to vote after the revolutionary war, but that war was fought by essentially exclusively men. If we were to apply this logic, then it should be seen as acceptable for men to not give or help women get the vote, even over a century later when the suffragettes were protesting.

It also wasn't "women, en masse", rather most of these protests movements started as being extremely fringe and radical. The support for their ideas almost always boiled down along the liberal/conservative axis more than a man/woman axis. We see this today, for example, with abortion, where knowing if someone is conservative or liberal is more informative than if they are male or female as to what their position will be.

But going through history, this luxury was not afforded to women for a long time either

Again, if we apply this standard consistently, then this undermines most arguments about women being treated unfairly worse than men, because men's treatment wasn't just something that appeared out of the ether, but rather was backed up, explicitly or implicitly, by men fighting for, or being willing to kill and die for, certain social treatment.

My point is, there is a problem with misandry in society, internal and external. And instead of pointing out that "society is less accepting of criticism of women than criticism of men", and expecting society to just "fix this", we need to work to fix this ourselves.

I do not think this is a gendered issue, and I take serious issue with treating "men" and "women" throughout "history" as if they are characters in a play. I agree that individuals should do what they can in order to fix the issue, but you cannot fix an issue you are unwilling to name. The fact that there are powerful people who are ideologically fundamentally opposed to even acknowledging men's issues (generally as a result of feminist rhetoric), cannot simply be ignored.

Sitting online and arguing won't fix the problem by itself, but if we look at Richard Reeves, it is obvious he never would be doing anything if it weren't for MRAs. Even though he ostensibly opposes them, without a developing Men's Rights movement, he wouldn't have been exposed to a lot of the rhetoric that convinced him, nor feel the need to try and, as he sees it, wrestle important issues away from them.

Of all his points in "of boys and men", I'd already seen every single one of them on /r/mensrights years before Reeves brought it up.

This issue is not a woman's problem, the same way I believe that a lot of feminist issues started out as "not a man's problem".

This issue is a problem. If it matters to you, you should try and do something about it.

Yes, there are nut jobs who shut down well-meaning, wholesome mens spaces. Part of fighting this battle is knowing you'll be knocked down sometimes. Shit happens, but we gotta keep fighting.

I agree.

Fighting to make society more wholesome, and genuinely supportive of men which includes holding bad actors accountable

The fact that the focus here always has to include "bad actors" is part of the problem. I also don't want to make society necessarily "wholesome" or "genuinely supportive" depending on what you mean by that, I want to make society fair and equal, treating people as individuals, not as representatives of "men" and "women".

I also think the focus on being "supportive", for example, tends to essentially be arguing for a way of thinking about behavior that is generally wrong. People don't grow from support alone, they grow from being tested and challenged while also having a base of support. I think women are more likely to be given that base of support, but then not particularly tested or challenged, while I think men are more likely to be tested and challenged while not being given a base of support.

and generally holding each other to goof standards, requires internal work

"Internal" to what? To me? Other men aren't "internal" to me, they are different people.

not shit-talking women about a certain inherent unfairness in society vis-a-vis gender.

I agree you shouldn't shit-talk, but you cannot address a double standard that you aren't allowed to talk about, especially when there are a lot of arguments that justify that double standard that are couched in things around how women are treated and about gender in general.

GofukYourselves · 2025-05-04T14:17:17+00:00

So first this seems more like a debate topic then a question. Second yeah I agree that societies cater more to women then they did in the past because women fought for it. As for weather men should band together to make society more supportive of mens issues I largely think that won't happen.

Besides you never being able to get all or most men to band together and fight for the cause. You're always going to fighting an up hill battle for societal recognition. Once the various crisis effecting the world people will go back to not caring. The men's rights movement has largely been a failure. It's gained some ground with the loneliness epidemic but that's only because people are afraid that society will collapse and their will be a significant rise in the amount of deaths around western nations.

Fallen-Shadow-1214 · 2025-05-04T15:21:51+00:00

I feel like if I don't have this worldview I at least have one similar to it where I don't understand why it seems like every response to men bringing up an issue about men, without even mentioning women is so often either defensive, accusatory or even outright vitriolic.

(though I think we can all agree some issues require some comparison between genders)

I considered myself a diehard supporter of feminism for so long, literally since the 9th grade. I had such a respect for the movement that to this day I won't call myself a feminist not because I didn't agree with feminism (even though I have disagreements now) but because I felt like I didn't do enough for feminism , that I didn't research it as deeply as I should and that I didn't move the movement forward or supported such a movement tangibly enough to call myself a feminist.

I held it in such high esteem.

But what slowly moved me away from feminism was the behavior of self-proclaimed Feminists in my life. I had my "NotAllMen" moment when I was 14 and hearing my aunt and her friends say men were scum and assholes and pieces of shit. And I was so surprised and hurt by this. I said that it wasn't all men and she pulled out all the excuses I can recite from mind today.

"I didn't say ALL men" - Yeah but you didn't deny it either.

"Women don't care when men say 'all women' do a thing but men care so deeply about it" - I am a 14 yr old, what the fuck does this have to do with me and me not wanting to be generalized with people I despise? Also later I found out this is just objectively false.

"Women complain about men when they have had 5-6 bad experiences but men will have one and blame all women"-refer to number two

I just ate that back then but from that point I had to bear that from my female friends, my female teachers, random fucking strangers. "It wasn't every woman but it was always a woman". Well... It was until it wasn't.

Because then I had my experience with "male feminists" ruined because most of them were just losers tearing down other men for a crumb of pussy.

All of these things were slowly breaking my faith but I still desperately held on, not because I still had unwavering trust in it, but because I had no other choice.

There's no support for men other than the brief, patronizing lectures from women proclaiming to be feminists telling men to be more vulnerable less toxicly masculine and more empathetic with literally 0 help for any of those issues.

If I gave it up, it'd be over for me. Ostracised by one side and not even aware of another one.

Then incels entered the public consciousness and it was 2018 when I'm learning about them and they're the worse people ever, genuine scum unfit to live in society. But the focus wasn't on that as much as it was on how they were men and single , lonely, virgin men especially.

That this is what u became if you fit these traits and hated women.

I was so terrified of ever being even thought of an incel. I had a mantra of "don't be a simp, don't be an incel" running through my brain every time I had a negative or positive emotion towards a woman.

I hated incels so much, I blamed them for my lack of romantic success because they scared women so much I obviously could never approach a woman. Neither could I expect them to approach me first (even though I had already been approached before at this point)

They were why I was still a virgin

They were why women hated me

They were why I could never expect my female friends to not insult men in front of me

They were why my female family members could do the same thing

Why women felt the need to compare me to loaded guns or poisoned grapes (this was a while before men vs bear, might've actually killed myself if I had to deal with that at that age)

Incels were the reason for every issue in my life I had with women and they just made life worse for everyone.

I unironically thought ATP that we should just kill every incel so women wouldn't have a reason to be scared of men anymore (HA!) I'm surprised at that thought now, but'm pretty sure no small amount of people think exactly that still and would feel no remorse.

My transformation point was when I was ranting about how much I hated incels to my male friends and instead of just going along with it they actually called me out, and pointed out that a lot of incels are just lonely and feeling hopeless and I literally never considered that before.

That description fit so much to how I saw myself that I nearly broke down right there, though tbh I didn't know at the time but I had been depressed for a while already and couldn't cry.

After that I had a newfound empathy for incels and I wanted to understand what they actually went through and what they actually did more.

Skip some irrelevant stuff and I now can consider myself a male advocate for the blindspots of feminism and the ideological reality of the model of the patriarchy.

I didn't get here from hating women, I got here from supporting men.

I agree with all three of your points and this is why I (at least to some extent) think that society caters to women's needs and ignores men's needs.

kochIndustriesRussia · 2025-05-04T16:35:13+00:00

Because it does lol. Go sit in on some family court and watch the bias play out. Men are primarily for doing heavy labor, giving assets to non-working women and dying in war in western gynocentric democracies. Those are the lanes they get respect. If they stray out of their lanes they get beaten like dogs.

efficientaficionado · 2025-05-04T17:24:43+00:00

Quotas. They needlessly increase the competition between men for what few remaining spots are left after the quota to elevate women is met. Tons of men are left behind so women can succeed. Mens needs are basically to satisfy hypergamy through hard work and merit, and that's nigh on impossible if society inorganically holds men back to ensure women succeed.

You see this in education, white collar careers (hell, even blue collar now), etc.

Lots of men realize it's a waste of effort to even try playing a rigged game, so they just settle with video games and doing as little as possible to get by. Why work hard if hard work isn't necessarily rewarded fairly or equally?

Comfortable-Dare-307 · 2025-05-05T14:15:48+00:00

There are many ways western society caters to women.

In divorce, women almost always get custody of kids. Thus, divorce for women is finacially benefical. Only men loose everything in divorce.
In a court of law, women get less harsh punishments for similar crimes.
Women can rape young boys and no one cares. But let a man rape a young girl, femenists and the media are all over that.
Women are involved in more traffic violations but men still pay more in insurance. Men pay more for all insurance.
Women can be assured their health care needs will be taken seriuosly. (i.e. race for the cure). Whereas there are hardly any programs to help with men only healthcare issues.
There are safe spaces for women and girls. But everytime boys and men want something similar, women always have to get involved.
There are no domestic violence shelters for men and boys only. Just like there is little to no help for men and boys whom are victims of sexual abuse and assault.
There are no special programs to help college aged men get into college like there are for women.
If a man and woman are both drunk and have sex, its always the man's fault if the woman didn't like it. This is true if ONLY the man is drunk and the woman is sober. A sober woman raping a drunk man is somehow still the man's fault. Women can even drug men, and the man will still be blamed.
A woman can rape a young boy, get pregnant and sue and win for child support.
Men always have to be careful around women in public or at work so a glance isn't seen as sexual harassment.
Men can get publically shamed at the gym for glancing at a woman. But woman are free to stare at men all they want.
Women are free to sexually harass men at work. But if men even make one off color comment its a trip to HR. My supervisor finally got fired after six years of sexual harrassing the men including me in our deparatment at work.

Those are just a few items of how women are benefited in western society.

Barely-moral · 2025-05-04T16:16:28+00:00

Society caters to women's needs for two reasons.

Women care about women (Men don't care about men)

Men want to fuck (almost all) women (Women don't want to fuck (almost all) men)

That is not going to change. So that is it. Battle over.

Kreeps_United · 2025-05-04T17:17:14+00:00

I'm not sure what you're asking.

You acknowledge that society ignores men's needs, but I guess you're pretending that men aren't doing anything to fix it. Iron John was published decades ago, and the mythopoetic men's movement was laughed at.

You also seem to suggest men's problems are just men's problems, even when it's people acting on behalf of women getting in the way of solutions. That alone is a shitty outlook, but ignores what men are being told today.

A woman is attacked? Men are wrong for not stepping in and risking their safety to save her. It turned out to be a lie and a guy holding a water bottle was protecting himself from a female attacker? He's wrong for doing that because... because!

Men are continually told to help fix women's problems without any concern for their own safety, without concern for fairness, without mentioning when the ask goes against the feminist theory we constantly throw at them.

What you're asking for is basically toxic masculinity in the original sense. You can't keep telling men to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and then get surprised when they get pulled in by conservatives.

abaxeron · 2025-05-04T22:00:27+00:00

Almost every societal consideration we have for women today... is due to concerted efforts by women to change society.

I love Reddit; you can make a "Men have (almost) never done anything nice for women" post, and not get banned for hate speech.

thedarkracer · 2025-05-04T14:13:08+00:00

Dude, I live in a 3rd world country. We have both misandry and misogyny. Yet, when any rape case march comes out, you see men supporting (check pics of 2012 candle march and RG Kar candle march) and we still hear all men are rapist rants everywhere. But when a man committed suicide due to his wife's harassment, there was not a single woman in the candle march (check pics of atul subash candle march)

Now contrary to that, we have really really biased laws for women, such as men can't file a assault, rape or a DV case against a woman and we have a law if a gf/bf breaks up, if they have had sex, bf can go to jail for rape on false pretext of marriage like even if they became incompatible. Despite all that, there have been efforts for gender neutral laws which have been opposed by women groups such as

https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bengaluru/2024/Jul/22/not-for-gender-neutral-sexual-offence-laws-womens-federation-of-india

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

Women in my country have also protested against those who wanted to take action against false cases

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/activists-livid-over-women-panel-chiefs-remark-on-fake-cases/articleshow/95266171.cms

And also we have POSCO for minors which is supposedly a gender neutral law but in practice it's not, women are very very rarely arrested so yes we have a problem with the laws

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2025/Apr/30/surat-teacher-abducts-11-year-old-student-caught-390-kilometres-away-after-four-day-manhunt

https://www.ndtv.com/tamil-nadu-news/12-year-old-boy-detained-after-17-year-old-girl-gives-birth-in-tamil-nadu-2912189

https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/karnataka-high-court/karnataka-high-court-pocso-case-against-woman-gender-neutral-law-276499

and we have women and feminists working against this so tell me should we blame women here or not? You say we shouldn't blame women, like why when they are actively sabotaging the efforts and they expect support for their problems but don't give any for ours.

Tsukikira · 2025-05-04T17:03:08+00:00

I personally disagree with the point that 'modern men see this, and assume' - no, the primary argument here is whether the setup to boost modern women has come at the expense of men to a degree such that society is starting to see genuine problems.

To quote some arguments I absolutely agree with - "Gender based safe spaces are actually beneficial; Women should absolutely have them. But women freely destroy such spaces for men in the name of equality." This is a genuine problem, and I get the context of why this happened (Because job promotion, advancement, often had ties to these male-only spaces), but we need to step back and ask ourselves why the only male-only spaces are very... right wing-ish. Because anything close to center of political spectrum either wasn't important enough or women cared to enter, and the law forces their entry.

Jobs are a zero-sum game, and thus, if you absolutely insist on trying to hire a equal number of women in a career field in which there are close to 80/20 women split (Tech), you're going to see a bunch of less qualified people getting hired. I've seen this personally multiple times in the large companies I've worked for, and while it's not a problem on the single-company level, I can see how at the macro level men look at it and declare that DEI is a problem that must be fought. No one is fighting for lower paying jobs here, it's the highly paid jobs that lean on DEI the most for their job spread.

Likewise, on scholarships. I was fortunate, compared to my peers, to be able to afford college, while working jobs on the side and having a supporting family. But when most of the scholarships were aimed to 'native American only', 'women only', 'minority only', and my minority doesn't count for applying, I had to settle for a cheaper college, and had a harder time making it through. So statistics show women are 60% of college graduates? Not surprising, the fact that men's enrollment has remained stable but women's enrollment has been growing since the 90's can be directly attributed to the higher amounts of opportunities for them. Women are also more motivated to get a degree than men, for a variety of reasons.

The difficult parts here is finding a balance to bolster men, but not tear down women. But given how America is a two-party system, it's unfortunately two extremes being bounced between, and the crazy conservatives are the ones who are taking the side of men here.

cromulent_weasel · 2025-05-04T22:05:28+00:00

Women, en masse, saw a problem, worked to fix it, are still working to fix things, and society has become a better place for them.

I think that it's very true that women have disproportionately suffered from inequality, and that there has been a lot of work done to address a lot of that inequality that harms women. There's STILL inequality which women suffer from.

But. But. There's also inequality that men suffer from, and the overwhelming cultural zeitgeist of 'it's WOMEN who have it hard, men have nothing but privilege' servers to immunise people from being able to even acknowledge that men even have issues, let alone starting to DO something about them. Even then, there's more than a hefty dose of straw manning of ascribing mens problems to things like 'toxic masculinity', which is really a form of victim blaming.

So I don't think that society caters to womens needs as much as some people do. But I do think that it ignores mens needs to an extent.

This issue is not a woman's problem, the same way I believe that a lot of feminist issues started out as "not a man's problem".

I agree, it's not. But, many (most?) men were sympathetic to womens rights. Whereas there are people under the banner of feminism who mischaracterise wanting to address inequality that men face as being misogyny central and essentially being an attack on women.

Fighting to make society more wholesome, and genuinely supportive of men

I think that ultimately every form of 'wedge politics' whether it's feminism, racial equality, mens rights, trans rights etc are ALL actually about the 1% vs everyone else. And they WANT there to be an opposition stirred up against 'those crazies' who are arguing for rights when the status quo (i.e. they have all the money) remains the same.

caption291 · 2025-05-04T16:21:31+00:00

Fighting to make society more wholesome, and genuinely supportive of men, which includes holding bad actors accountable and generally holding each other to goof standards, requires internal work, not shit-talking women about a certain inherent unfairness in society vis-a-vis gender.

We need to hold bad actors accountable but we can't hold bad actors accountable if they are women? What? That's like the opposite of what women did to gain so much power.

Women didn't "hold eachother to good standards", they relentlessly shat on men until men gave them what they wanted. That's what feminism functionally did. Feminism wasn't a movement about women pulling themselves by the bootstrap and self-improving and all that...it was a movement about fixing how shitty men were.

If men want the same results as women, they will have to do the same kind of things women did, not handicap themselves like crazy to avoid upsetting women.

BrainMarshal · 2025-05-04T16:35:49+00:00

Women saw a problem, got together to fix it, men opposed women, but the world eventually caved.

Now men see a problem, we get together to fix it, women gaslight us by saying we aren't getting together to fix it, then women act like the men of old and oppose us. Then they have the fucking gall to say "We'll knock you down sometimes, so keep fighting" and, after years of male feminist WAaaaagh's against misogyny, women have the additional nerve to say "which includes holding bad actors accountable and generally holding each other to goof standards, requires internal work, not shit-talking women about a certain inherent unfairness in society vis-a-vis gender."

Fuck me sideways.

ViolentShallot · 2025-05-04T19:00:41+00:00

Men's rights groups aren't necessary, because feminism advocates for men as well.

Except how do you dare demand women to fix your problems, it's your fault anyways.

And women aren't the ones perpetuating them. And if they are, it's not their fault, they too are victims of the patriarchy.

Which somehow is uniquely men's fault even if it's mostly women upholding it.

Sigh.

avoidingpsychos · 2025-05-04T22:12:52+00:00

I was just catching up with a friend from college who is from Germany but lived in the US for four years for college and then went back to Germany around 2009 and has lived there since, with the exception of two years in DC.

In my field (media), nearly every job description ends with a little disclaimer about "women and people of color are strongly encouraged to apply." It's been that way for years. I don't even apply for those jobs, knowing that I'm not going to hear back. I often see women peers hired and promoted into management and director-level roles while I and other men I know are still grinding away. He said that in Germany, people would be outraged by this if this was a thing.

I watch PBS Kids with my daughter and virtually every show (besides Wild Kratts) has a young minority girl as the main protagonist. There are no shows about little boys... Except Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood. And the same could be said for most children's programming across the different networks and streaming services. My friend said that people would be outraged in Germany by this.

When my daughter's mom and I broke up, she ended up hiring a lawyer and sued for full custody and child support, even though we had been getting along and I asked that we seek a mediator to formally create a parenting plan (which we didn't have). The lawyers turned us against each other and it ruined our co-parenting relationship and severely traumatized me. According to the law in my state, when it comes to unmarried parents, only the mother is seen as a full, legal guardian — unmarried fathers don't have rights to their child.

Even with shared "custody," I'm still not seen as a whole parent by Illinois law. But I pay 20-25% of my take-home pay to someone who doesn't respect me, doesn't care about my suffering and doesn't want me to be an equal parent. So I suffer alone and just pray to the Lord that he will eventually soften my co-parent's hardened heart. My friend said that in Germany, people would be outraged if this was the same situation there. He's married and has a one-year-old daughter. They were only in the US to do the baptism since his wife is from the Chicago area. Guess what their long-term plans are? To stay in Germany.

In the US, men are constantly told they are the problem, that we are the source of our own suffering, the cause of the suffering of others, and that it is on us to improve ourselves and to sit back and let everyone else manage society and the workplace. It's like gaslighting on a societal scale. Women are so seemingly ignorant of their privileges and how much society works to their maintain or improve their status. Women have support groups, have friends who care about them, family who check up on them, and authorities who will expend resources to help them seek justice. Men, by and large, once you get up towards 40 years old, are totally disposable and only valued by what they earn or contribute to society.

Chicken-samosa · 2025-05-04T17:32:43+00:00

Do you root for equality or equity OP? I do the former.

You seem to dismiss "some nutjobs" who shut down men's spaces. Yet suddenly, "we" need to hold "each other" accountable??

Feminism doesn't need to fight for men. But atleast they should come to a conclusion amongst themselves on what feminism should be first. If its about equality or only about women (primarily).

RevolutionaryJob7908 · 2025-05-05T01:38:40+00:00

Because society does cater to women. I can add to the fray, housing. Theres far less affordable rent for men, and less rental units for men, in general. Test the theory by looking online, second part is applications, which just apply to apartments etc. Its the same deal too, commodity. Women are veiwed valuable for their er herm.. So they get more deals just because of it. Men are expected to fight for it all. The exceptions include anything that will lower your value, becoming a single mother, becoming single old.

Flat-Zombie-95 · 2025-05-05T16:10:41+00:00

Because it does. I’ll say only like bottom 30% of women in terms of income actually live terrible lives or are oppressed in the women feminist talk about

BigMadLad · 2025-05-06T00:28:00+00:00

The problem with this take is that it implies that men run the society, and women fight against that, and that now that women run the society, it’s men’s job to fight against that. No one gender has complete control over society. Both sides influenced each other and make up rules of engagement that benefit their own, which we all interact with. Even during medieval times where men clearly had the power women still played a very important role in advising kings, and analysis in European history showed that when Queens had power, they were actually more violent than men. Entire wars were fought over women, that doesn’t sound like a male dominated society because if it was women would be so insignificant you wouldn’t fight over that.

The problem is demonization. When women were labeled as problems for fighting for the right to vote or enter certain fields, they weren’t viewed as demons rather they were seen as children asking for the big boy pants and laughed at. They were never seen as a threat, more as a novelty. It’s a lot easier to fight under those conditions than being seen as a safety threat to everyone involved. This type of stereotype is very hard to fight, because men, physically, indeed are threats more than women

efficientaficionado · 2025-05-04T14:10:26+00:00

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No-Rough-7390 · 2025-05-04T15:13:09+00:00

It’s a massive shit test that men are failing. And it’s kind of a tale as old as time that technology and wealth of the modern world has enhanced.

Most guys truly believe that if they are just nice and try to appease a woman’s needs, they can get laid. Now imagine that at a societal level. There ya go.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2025-05-04T14:58:20+00:00

Every single of those 3 points is proof that society cater to women needs, this level of self awareness is surreal.

1- when women have a problem is society problem, they don't work harder enough? Let's just give them priority hiring. They don't like STEM? Let's just give them free seats and job opportunity.

You also use basically the same point at 2 and 3 so. I would recommend to stop producing slop and focus in quality because this level of argumentation make you seems like a rambler

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Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-05-04T18:30:11+00:00

Tbh I think it's like having a little sister when you were the only child. Movement for women's right are greater/bigger/louder compared to men's movement. So I can understand how some guy feel about this situation. I don't feel like society cater to one group specifically but just promote hyperindividualistic behaviors

Better-Silver7900 · 2025-05-04T18:32:10+00:00

i’m gonna be real, the only real misandry/misogyny i see is in the media and the internet.

Obviously anecdotal, but in my experience irl men/women are completely equal.

MotorInsect6295 · 2025-05-05T02:03:20+00:00

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RayAP19 · 2025-05-05T17:21:21+00:00

There are a lot of double standards in dating where women are allowed, even encouraged, to be hypocrites and possess privilege that men do not have in any way, shape, or form.

I'm not saying this applies to every facet of society, but in dating, women are undeniably more privileged and catered-to than men, and it's not really close.

petellapain · 2025-05-05T01:27:50+00:00

Gradual process of extending rights, privileges and freedoms to women without the responsibilities or obligations to go with them. Started in the late 1800s and slowly spiraled out of control. Simple human oversight. It never occurred to anyone that womens freedoms and rights must be tethered to responsibilities the same way mens are

No-Appointment-8270 · 2025-05-04T14:47:37+00:00

Because society is ruled by women and their slaves (aka the betabux heterosexuals and the gays)

LevelCaterpillar1830 · 2025-05-04T14:46:57+00:00

Women aren't directly priviliged in any visible way. There is no particular law saying "women get this and that and that and that and fuck the men", outside of who-knows-what particular, specific DEI program that should be tweaked. However, there is a catch.

Societies aren't actually monoliths, they are conglomerations of individuals, with each of these individuals having desires of their own. The average woman is simply more intrinsically desirable and valuable than the average man, which psychologically influences people (especially men) to cater to their needs and wants in a way that they simply don't for low-status, low-value men.

So it is not that women are socially privileged in any way, but simply biologically superior due to inherently higher market value, which snowballs into an easier, better life. People treat you better, expectations aren't as high, numerous men will do virtually anything just to get a whiff of your attention, you have all sorts of safety nets in the form of betabuxxers and so on and so forth, which leads to "wow women seem to be happier and less lonely than men, woow".

Like, of course they're happier in modern, liberal societies. Their lives are literally easier, better AND with a lot more safety nets if things ever go south. It's a biological, natural privilege. The average dude is unilaterally fucked if he hasn't stabilized himself by a certain point.

And about the whole "why aren't men supporting each other" thing, they are. It's called the manosphere, and it directly addresses the issue of bitchlesness (which is men's nr. 1 complaint) and how to tackle it; albeit with not much success, since most of its ringleaders are just money-hungry grifters and they keep selling false solutions.

Novel-Recognition-91 · 2025-05-04T16:10:13+00:00

Life is too short to worry about any of this bs. I don't get how anyone who touches grass can even care 1 percent about this stuff. life is always unfair, you cant change it.

Title	Q4M: Why do (some of) you think that society just happens to cater to women's needs now, and ignores men's needs?
Author	aerodynamicsofacow12
Upvotes	7
Comments	285
Date	May 4, 2025 1:54 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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