If society doesn't owe men wives, men don't owe society our labour, taxes and blood

PurplePillDebate-ModTeam · 2025-08-14T17:52:10+00:00

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anewleaf1234 · 2025-08-14T16:53:22+00:00

No one owes you a wife.

This post is probably a major red flag as to why you don't have one.

eternitypasses · 2025-08-14T16:28:24+00:00

Women work and pay taxes too, what is this nonsensical post?

CommissionAny5421 · 2025-08-14T16:14:35+00:00

Checks notes; so what percentage of the government budget of funds received from taxes should go towards wife distribution?

eternitypasses · 2025-08-14T17:00:57+00:00

The same people that want smaller government, less taxes etc also want the government to distribute women to men.

badgersonice · 2025-08-14T16:58:02+00:00

You know, with all the men on this sub hollering that men built all of civilization all by themselves and women never did anything of value…

Maybe you should spend more of your energy explaining to those guys that it’s actually women who are responsible for civilization in its entirety. After all, if women didn’t make sacrifices to serve men, you are claiming men would just sit in the mud and rot or burn everything to the ground.

You are ironically arguing that you and other angry men like you should be waaaaay more grateful to women for building civilization. You wouldn’t have your keyboard to scream into the void if if weren’t for women. Maybe show a little more gratitude!

Beer4Blastoise · 2025-08-14T16:19:03+00:00

Technically, no one is forcing you to work 40 hours a week and pay taxes. You can go into the wilderness and live off the land. How exactly would a wife distribution system work anyway?

alwaysright0 · 2025-08-14T16:37:24+00:00

Its absolutely insane that you seemingly genuinely think that working 40 hours a week entitles you to own a human

2025-08-14T16:20:33+00:00

Okay don’t work or pay taxes then. Fuck off to the woods or Somalia. Because I don’t want my tax dollars to go to abled bodied jobless incels either.

FitnessBeth · 2025-08-14T16:44:01+00:00

This is bizarre and makes no sense.

At what point was the social contract 'work and pay taxes and you'll get women in exchange for that'?

OnARolll31 · 2025-08-14T16:32:30+00:00

You don't have to slave away at work tho.....why don't you just go find yourself a sugar daddy to take care of you?? lol Theres so many options out there if you don't wanna work. Also why not just do what you want with your life, do what makes you happy. No one is forcing you to live your life a certain way.

throwawaytradesman2 · 2025-08-14T17:23:03+00:00

This is exactly why men need to be single and alone. The crazy shit that comes out from men is hard to believe.

attendquoi · 2025-08-14T16:23:36+00:00

No one's forcing you to work.

No-Comfort1229 · 2025-08-14T16:22:12+00:00

because women are not gold stars for good boy behavior but are… just other people?

its like saying society owes you friends for paying taxes and having a job.

it seems like you want to live in the truman show

SeveralSadEvenings · 2025-08-14T16:32:21+00:00

Alright well, be on your merry way then. Bye.

oppositegeneva · 2025-08-14T16:38:31+00:00

You slave away for 40+ hours a week to receive an income and pay taxes to benefit from public goods and services

I don’t believe the draft should be a thing, you shouldn’t be forced to risk your life in war

Xeltar · 2025-08-14T16:45:21+00:00

It's the daily "If I have to pay taxes, then women don't deserve rights" (but they better pay taxes too!).

Idk how one can be so entitled.

You don't have to labor "for society", nothing stops you from living in poverty and one of the features of our capitalist society is that EVERYONE is replaceable... so no need to think the rest of us would be missing much from your labor.

ConanTheCybrarian · 2025-08-14T16:49:00+00:00

If society doesn't owe men wives, men don't owe society our labour, taxes and blood

I mean, yeah.

...if society doesn't owe him a wife, then he... doesn't owe society his taxes, labour and blood.

If you are bleeding that much at work, that may not be an ideal career choice for you.

Why should he slave away for 40+ hours a week, pay taxes, contribute to the economy and risk his life in war if society won't, in return, give him a wife so he can have children, raise a family and pass on his bloodline?

What he gets in return for working (in a capitalist society) is money.

People exchange their labor for money. That's what they "get in return."

**People (ideally) receive government services for their taxes (roads, fire stations, etc.).*

Are you not getting paid for your work?
Do you live somewhere where there are no roads or public services?

If your job said they would give you "a wife and the passing on of your bloodline" as a wage instead of money, that's probably illegal and definitely unique to just you.

But, it sure sounds like you're really passionate about this. Why don't you use your time, frustration, and resources to push for universal healthcare, revoking the draft, and UBI? I'm excited to see the positive changes you make by freeing everyone in society of the weight of capitalism!

AlmostKindaGreat · 2025-08-14T17:28:26+00:00

The blood part at least has some truth to it. In most countries conscription is only for men. How big of a deal this is depends on where you are and the likelihood of you being drafted.

The rest is something men (and women) voluntarily do.

Well, taxes aren't voluntary but earning income, spending, and other taxable activities generally are. Either way, men are not exclusively taxed or taxed more.

Beware covert contracts!

There is a fantastic concept that is explored in the book No More Mr. Nice Guy and this is also talked about in Red Pill spaces (something they get right). It is "covert contracts". A covert contract is a contract that only exists in a man's head (or anyone, but this is about helping men) and often causes frustration and resentment because he mistakenly expects others to be aware of and abide by this contract.

An example is a man having a covert contract that says: "If I maintain a good job, do my chores, and am an all-around ok husband I should get sex about 3 times a week." The problem is the man never explicitly expressed this. His wife doesn't know he has this imaginary contract in his head. He will often end up frustrated and resentful. The correct thing to do is to clearly express his needs, take responsibility for his own needs, then set about getting them satisfied. If his wife is willing to work with him on this then great. Otherwise he may need to consider divorce if he decides he cannot compromise on this.

This post is based on a covert contract

This is a covert contract: "If I work, pay taxes, and am subject to the draft, then I should be given a good wife."

The problem is that nobody else has promised this to you. Others are not even aware that you have this contract in your head... and even if they did they would not feel compelled to honor it.

A man's needs are his own responsibility. Nobody will care or feel obligated to satisfy your needs unless you express them and they feel like they are getting sufficient value out of the deal. Being a man means going out and getting what you want, being bold and direct about it. Expecting others to know what you want and give that to you, based on what you believe you deserve, is the way to loneliness and frustration.

IHATEPOWERMODS · 2025-08-14T16:29:55+00:00

Ragebait as usual.

Reasonable_Mouse789 · 2025-08-14T16:12:53+00:00

Because women pay taxes too

Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-08-14T17:20:09+00:00

Ok then go live in a cave and jerk off on the rocks till dysentery takes you out.

No one cares.

AchingAmy · 2025-08-14T16:15:36+00:00

This is an insane take. That's not what taxes pay for. You get government services in exchange for taxes and you work because otherwise you wouldn't make a living to survive.

mattelias44 · 2025-08-14T16:20:19+00:00

Fine. Quit working and go live in the woods. Society isn't turning into the Handmaids tales because you're scared to talk to pretty girls.

MongoBobalossus · 2025-08-14T16:26:29+00:00

True, you don’t owe anybody your labor or blood.

You do, however, owe taxes as you’re using the same publicly funded things that everyone else in society uses. Your inability to get a wife is irrelevant to that.

themfluencer · 2025-08-14T17:25:33+00:00

Do you thinks wives are a reward for work? Because if so, I should have, like, 3 wives at this point.

Lemon_gecko · 2025-08-14T17:30:22+00:00

I have a question. What if society could guarantee that you'll have children but by IVF. No wife, you'll never meet them, but you'll pass on blood line, legacy and so on. What that be acceptable?

Another option is what if society could guarantee that you'll have a wife but never any kids, what that be acceptable?

Which one do you choose?

Edit. Also, would you give your daughter away for government appointment husband?

Inomaker · 2025-08-14T16:16:21+00:00

Because he lives in and benefits from society in other ways. It's not that deep.

freezeemup · 2025-08-14T16:28:08+00:00

This sounds really passive aggressive. If you work, you're owed a wage and any rights attributed by the law. That's it.

cutegolpnik · 2025-08-14T16:17:33+00:00

men are free to live outside of society.

FalloutBerlin · 2025-08-14T16:42:50+00:00

I don’t think any society ever guaranteed wives outside of conquest and that was more about wiping out other ethnic groups.

happyfunball5 · 2025-08-14T16:47:20+00:00

When I haven't been online for a while it's takes like this that lead me to think "no one really advocates for providing wives" because that's crazy talk, and then I run into a post like this.

It's crazy talk.

Chesseburter · 2025-08-14T17:46:03+00:00

Everybody owes taxes, do you even know what taxes are for?

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No-Mulberry7538 · 2025-08-14T17:30:10+00:00

Wat!?

toasterchild · 2025-08-14T17:31:34+00:00

Because you want to drive on roads, have police and fire protection, ability to not literally starve in retirement, not be put in the streets if you get dementia, not be homeless if you slip and fall at work, not have to step over starving babies on your way to work, not have a third world economy where only the extremely wealthy children get an education because you need to have customers who earn enough to buy whatever product you sell.

ASnowfallOfCherry · 2025-08-14T17:37:57+00:00

Don’t use roads I take it?

hansikaslokero · 2025-08-14T16:30:54+00:00

This is allready happening. Alots of men are not in education or in the workforce

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DelDivision · 2025-08-14T17:11:05+00:00

Legally i wouldnt compare as relationships should never be forced, however socially i see why monogamy was introduced and the problems of it eroding can cause. Also get the feeling that this hilarious online trend to get struggling dudes to not care about sex is connected

TinyFlamingo2147 · 2025-08-14T17:27:10+00:00

You can go get a wife dude. there also isn't much of a disparity in those graphs. I don't see the problem here.

PullHisHairIDontCare · 2025-08-14T17:32:17+00:00

Who's giving me a husband? No seriously almost all women pay taxes also...

Well.. No wonder...

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2025-08-14T17:46:47+00:00

If you are unhappy you are not given a human you don't have to work or pay taxes, now there may be repercussions for that like failing to survive but it's certainly an option you can choose.

BrutallyHonestTruth9 · 2025-08-14T17:50:52+00:00

No you work and pay taxes to eat.

PaymentDiligent7550 · 2025-08-14T17:53:44+00:00

Just say you can’t get a woman because you are insufferable. We all can see that quite plainly.

BrutallyHonestTruth9 · 2025-08-14T17:55:15+00:00

"Yes, I'll take my yearly distribution of woman as part of my salary increase next year boss, thank you."

Significant-Report16 · 2025-08-14T18:57:11+00:00

I mean. You can do whatever you want.

No one is owed anything.

But if you want certain things, you gotta play the game.

IridikronsNo1Fan · 2025-08-14T16:13:19+00:00

Your taxes still still go towards public goods that benefit you, like good roads. That said, it's kind of unfair that men end up being net tax payers.

Outside-Travel-7903 · 2025-08-14T16:13:30+00:00

It's why Canada has so few troops.

CharmingSama · 2025-08-14T16:50:09+00:00

the problem lies with men.. they want to negotiate desire.. this for that.. not accepting the fact, that you need desire first to negotiate. I agree with you that men are not being valued as a whole.. thats why i say men need to leave the cities and move back to the country side.. there is so much empty land thats sparsely populated..

YeaNobody · 2025-08-14T17:33:21+00:00

I feel the pain but nobody will agree with this....best you can hope for is matrix level sex.

Alone_Ambition_3729 · 2025-08-14T17:37:55+00:00

Men are expected to labour/sacrifice for society on two different levels, and your post only makes sense for one of them.

The first one, where it doesnt make sense, is the basics of working to support ourselves and pay taxes. Nomatter how hard it is to find a wife/gf/fuck, we can't become worthless parasites. Single women (and married women in two income families) are expected to support themselves and pay taxes too. Go Check-out of society if you want, go live in the woods, but don't become a hopeless charity/welfare case.

But the second way men are expected to sacrifice for society is warfare, danger, and triage. Any time you hear the phrase "women and children" you know you're dealing with this second case, because what's left unsaid is NOT MEN. So yeah, if society seems to have conspired that you'll never get any intimacy/companionship and never be treated as a full status male member of the tribe, then when the enemy is at the gates, you have no duty to sacrifice yourself.

I was an incel until my mid 30s and what really surprised me when I eventually got a girlfriend is how much modern society still has a sense of "full status man of the tribe". Everyone became way nicer and more respectful and even deferential to me. I'm an ugly dork loser, but an ugly dork loser can still be trusted and depended on as long as he has a successful sexual and genetic future intertwined with the success of the tribe.

robbtvs · 2025-08-14T16:21:35+00:00

Welcome to the Bai Lan Movement

Meteorboy · 2025-08-14T16:43:35+00:00

Write a letter to Donald Trump explaining that men don't get enough benefits or services despite being net taxpayers. Maybe he will give lip service to it, which is still more than most politicians would do.

LoopyPro · 2025-08-14T16:25:04+00:00

Both points boil down to a violation of one's bodily autonomy. It's weird how one is taboo while the other is normalized.

WebNew9978 · 2025-08-14T16:25:19+00:00

I’d be more inclined to dictating where my tax money goes to. For example, I would want all of my tax money to go to road work/repair and not a single cent to public schools.

Title	If society doesn't owe men wives, men don't owe society our labour, taxes and blood
Author	serventofgaben
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Date	August 14, 2025 4:10 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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