If a woman sleeps with a man without a commitment (no-strings), then moves on to another man and doesn’t sleep with him until they are committed, some men feel upset by this. Like because a person does something with someone before, they automatically owe you the same thing?
If a woman dates a man who is divorced, and he had married his ex wife within 6 months, is it fair if the woman he’s currently dating to expect marriage within 6 months simply based off the fact he’s done it with a previous woman?
If a man or woman dates someone with kids, are they obligated to have kids with the next person simply because they have done it in the past?
I’m trying to understand why these men feel entitled to women’s bodies based solely on the woman’s past.....and please answer with actual logic. If there is no logic then please say so as well
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If your husband was a smart man he should worry about this. What happens when you relapse and fall into your old bad habits? Then what? He's made a lifetime commitment to someone who could change their mind and boom everything is fucked.
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That one doesn't seem to exist for PPD women
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Was that before of after she sucked his dick. Both men want their dicks sucked, one guy had to work for it while the other just made himself available. Where in the world would the man prefer to work for sex?
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Think about it from the guys perspective, he had to work hard for her affection while some chad just had to be available. That's not a fair exchange, that's negotiated desire. That shit sounds good only to a woman who basically doesn't have to do shit but be available.
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Because women tend to use the state to inflict violence on men. Or manipulation on others to the same result.
They also don't have to have other inflict physical violence on men to cause massive damage to them. Typically, when women inflict damage on men, its economic.
What makes it so much worse, is that it is cheered on and promoted by other people and the state. Whereas when men inflict violence on men, (outside of state approved violence like in war), they are punished.
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More like "I'm going to falsely accuse you of hitting me, and the police will take you away", or "We have a kid, but I'm going to no-fault divorce you, and now you have to pay child support, under threat of the state taking away your freedom".
Just to name a few.
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Buuuuuuuuuullshit
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Far more likely she is not as attracted to him as her "flings". And it is more likely she sees him more as a utility (BB).
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If you see other people getting for free, what you have to pay for, you are going to feel cheated. It should be no surprise to any woman that a man might just be annoyed at the fact that you made him wait to get what you gave up to other men so easily. It isn't even really about the sex or access to your body, it's just the difference in treatment. If you were consistent, it wouldn't matter.
To your other examples, women do feel cheated when a man has shown more commitment to the women of his past than he has to her. I don't know why you brought that up like you did something.
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Fine.
With all his previous GFs, on first dates, he would take them out to 4 star restaurants. Took all of the previous GFs on trips around the world. Paris, Madrid, Mulan, Tokyo, London.
But now, you are his GF, and he might take you to Applebees twice a year. Maybe a roadtrip once every 5 years.
Replace "nice restaurants" and "trips around the world" with anything or any activity that you really enjoy but don't get to do often.
You would be rightfully pissed off, would you not? It's not that you feel entitled to those things. Its seeing the clear fact that you are being treated not as well as previous partners.
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Apparently you missed when I included
Almost like I knew that would be the go-to.
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They sure as hell don't take it as an insult. They are getting exactly what they want, and would laugh at you if you try to tell them that you are insulting them, saying they are only good for sex.
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[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (27 children) | Copy Link
Someone once questioned me as to why I gave a kid to a man who didn’t appreciate it or took care of his offspring and why I couldn’t do the same for them even though “I am good guy and deserve to have the same thing because I would take care of the baby” I don’t know why I actually felt guilty. I never even thought about it this way. I had no words to his demand.
Now I wish I would have told him I didn’t owe him shit!! I realized after becoming a mom at 17 years old I didn’t have anymore children. Which I was quite vocal about from the beginning he just chose to believe he could change my mind.
[–]contrary-thoughts1 points [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link
Can we assume you were both up front about never having more children and at no point required/expected the not father to provide for the aforementioned child?
[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link
Expected or required to provide for my daughter from a previous relationship? Is that what you mean? Of course, he clearly had a choice to accept me with a child and with my decision not to have children anytime soon.
I mean clearly I was not about to be in a relationship with a man who would not awknoledge my child. lol He agreed to it all.. so much so that we are still together and finally have a 2 year old. Took me 6 years to make sure I wasn’t gonna make the same mistake again. He started giving me shit about it 2 years into the relationship.
[–]contrary-thoughts1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link
Congrats on relationship and child by the way all the best.
Sorta?
One of the intresting things to see come out of the single parent phenomenon is the idea I had my kids and then a hard stance the kids are "ours" when funding is required, especially when previous partner(s) are dead beats.
Now not saying have kid in each relationship, lived through that it is miserable for everyone.
But there is some idk logic to the feeling. Most intimate thing a woman can give a man is a child. The idea that the "jackass" is good enough and he isn't is kinda gut wrenching.
That being said I have watched this scenario play out as the man had kids and woman desperately wanted her kids. So it's not really a gendered issue.
[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link
I understand what your saying but I was 17, it’s not that the jackass was worth it and he wasn’t.. I made a mistake so by him saying this to me I felt like it was him throwing salt in the wound.
Funding was never required, I was not looking for a father to my child. I took it all very slow. We didn’t move in my daughter until 4 years later. I was doing what was best for me n my kid and he was free to go about his life as usual if he didn’t feel like I had enough to offer. I’m glad I did it this way. He turned out to be a great father to both.. I would have thought a man would take this as a good sign lol like you know damm well she’s trying to do things right .
[–]contrary-thoughts1 points [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
Kinda?
Ya you did things right post jackass guy. And personally i really commend people who get life turned around and making logical decisions.
What this in the greater sense is about is the consistency in actions that men as a group want to see happen.
The ultimate outcome would be "you" (defined as future women) not getting pregnant by jackasses at all. Because as a group you have set these minimal standards that are being applied to all men.
[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know if I agree that we are setting the standards. It’s a whole waive of reasons why men behave this way now. All I can do is teach my daughter what wasn’t taught to me. My home life wasn’t great which contributed to me making this mistake.
Luckily at some point I gained self awareness and realized I was bound to repeat history if I did not cut the dysfunction out of my life and that needed to start by not bringing any more children into a broken home.
[–]contrary-thoughts1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
That's fair and a very mature outlook.
Kinda off topic but did JA have more kids by other women?
Just looking at it from a evolutionary perspective whether he has an effective strategy.
[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
He recently had a baby girl.. about 3 months old. He still a bum though.. he was trying to re-kindle something in us while the new mom had just barely giving birth. Needless to say, I shot that shit down QUICK and gave him a piece of my mind. I’m NOT the one! Lol
[–]contrary-thoughts1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Ya ment bio.
Just the two that you know of isn't terrible but does mean he out reproduced you wonderful husband by 100%
[–]zerofeetpersecond1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
You have nothing to offer.
[–]Chemical-Ad37031 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Why is that?
[–]zerofeetpersecond1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
You already gave first kid privileges to a scumbag. You are damaged goods. Why would a good guy not just find a childless woman with class?
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Because they see women as inferior beings, with no use other than sexual satisfaction or household slavery. Like sexy goblins or something.
Not to say men don't see other men as inferior beings as well. They just hide it better, because some of those men might kick their ass or fire them.
[–]says_harsh_things1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
So how is left field treating you?
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Bait has been placed.
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You're calling that bait? Have some standards dude, ffs.
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[–]alwaysonalongtrip1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
Abuse.
Abusers think like this.
Abusers are not mentally ill or "overly aggressive". They treat other people just fine. Abusers believe they own the woman they are dating so normal rules do not apply.
Cultures with gender equality do not experience domestic violence.
[–]Jaktenba1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, because a woman has certainly never abused a man.
[–]alwaysonalongtrip1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
That's not true at all?
[–]Jaktenba1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
It clearly must be if
(I mean, you've literally stated that only women can be abused.)
and to a lesser extent if
I mean, that second one is clear nonsense, but we're operating on your views here.
[–]alwaysonalongtrip1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s not, it’s from Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft a recognized expert in the field. Sorry I slipped in the first one and didn’t use inclusive language. I know how frustrating that can be.
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It's not frustrating, it just shows the clear bias that you're trying to virtue signal away from. You clearly don't believe men can be hurt by women, or that it's such a rare occurrence as to not be worth mentioning.
And that line is nonsense, and shows just how worthless credentials in the soft sciences are if such an idiot is considered an "expert". By claiming that domestic abuse only occurs in unequal societies, you first and foremost, ignore all the other forms of domestic abuse that don't involve a heterosexual couple. Newsflash, child abuse is domestic abuse (typically, obviously it's not domestic abuse if it isn't a family member doing it), and that has nothing to do with gender equality. Then, there's the underlying implication that only the disadvantaged gender can be harmed, otherwise equalizing them would have no effect on ending abuse.
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