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Imagine you (Y) were talking to a Sudanese woman (SW) who was about to subject her daughter to FGM, and that you wanted to talk her out of it. How might that conversation go?

Y: That's a horrible thing you are about to do to your daughter. How can you let someone take a knife to your daughter's sexual organs like that? Don't you realize you are depriving her of a whole body, and the full sexual experience that should be a woman's birthright? To say nothing of the unbearable pain you will subject her to?

SW: I don't see how it is that different from what you do to infant boys in your country. You are allowing someone to take a knife to their sexual organs, and depriving them of "the full sexual experience that should be a man's birthright". There are lots of circumcised american men who are prefectly happy with their sex lives, but you don't have to talk to that many European men to run into a few who consider the foreskin a significant focus of their sexual routine, and could talk to you for hours about the particular sensations that they derive from it during sex and foreplay. Even if most men wouldn't miss their foreskin and its role in arousal and release, how can you justify mutilating those who would miss it? And its not like Sudanese women don't enjoy their sex lives, or orgasm regularly. Here is some careful research on this, in case you thought I was just making that up. Westerners are rather ignorant in their belief that the clitoris is necessary for orgasm, or that clitoral orgasms were meant to be the central focus of female sexuality. You need to realize that sex is mostly about what happens in your mind and that what is between your legs is a good deal more subtle in its ability to contribute to arousal and release. Your pitiful sexual training of your young men to "rub the clitoris to give her an orgasm" is laughably crude. Just because we do not make as many references to sex in causal conversation and media as you do does not make us more sexually repressed than you are. If you were so enlightened about sex, then why is the discussion of sexual experience so taboo in your society that my point about European men took you by surprise? And don't kid yourself that circumcision as you practice it (without anethesia on newborns) is more humane than how we practice is (without anethesia on 9-13 yo girls). Separating the glans from the foreskin is at least as painful as taking a knife and spearating your fingernail from its nail bed, and then pulling it out with pliers. Just because an infant has no conscious memory of it, does not mean the mental trauma of it does not stay with them throughout life. Here is some research on that which appears to be being repressed by your medical community (the researchers were admonished for even asking the questions they did). At least we prepare our girls for what is about to happen to them mentally. They have some idea what it will be like before it is performed. You are torturing newborns who should expect nothing but a mother's love and comfort. You have some nerve calling us barbaric and backward.

In other words,

If you actually cared about FGM as it is practiced in Africa, and wanted the U.S. to be able to do something about it, your first move would be to end MGM in the U.S. We look like total hypocrites when approaching Africans and telling them that they have to stop cutting girls, and should be more enlightened like us.

The moral principle at work is that unless medically necessary, there is no excuse for taking a knife to a child. FGM and MGM are both wrong for the same reason: they violate this principle.

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It's one of my favourite films. It's a documentary concerning a public rally. I really can't think of anything in the film that lends credence to your statement.

Really? The fact that the only women shown in the film are screaming fans doesn't lend any credence to my statement? There are 50,000 men running drills in Nuremberg, but apparently the only women there are acting in an observer's role. This despite the fact that a woman is filming the festivities.

Germany in general (and Hitler in particular) encouraged talented young women like her and the test pilot Hanna Reitsch to succeed in traditionally male roles.

You're taking two exceptions and making them the rule. Hitler gave war medals to women based upon the number of children they bore. That's the reality of the third Reich.

Just for your curiosity, I have had occasion to speak to Leni Riefenstahl on the telephone.

OK? Cool.

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No? The central ethic to feminism is that men and women are equal, so an anti-feminist seems pretty clearly anti-woman.

That's not really the central ethic of feminism. There is academic feminism , the field of study that has brought forth gems such as "feminist epistemology"; there is feminist activism, and there is everyday label-feminism, i.e. people who are feminist in the same way some others are humanist, the "humanism is being good to people, so I am a humanist"-kind. Only for the latter, I think, would your statement be true. Academic feminism can be criticised for its methodology and theoretical framework without ever touching on its goal (which is a problem in and of itself), and feminist activism similarly can be criticised for either the convictions that are their axioms, their actions, and the outcome of said action, without ever touching their ethics.

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Those of us with PTSD, training, and enough muscle are really the wrong people with whom to fuck. It takes a tremendous amount of self control to not bash in the head of the woman who is beating on you, throwing stuff at you, and starting fights because she knows you will react.

Honestly if a male attempted anything my ex did, he might have awoken later in intensive care. Since it was a female, I knew I would be going to jail if I did any more than very lightly restrain her hands so as not to bruise her, or just take it. That bitch could hit hard, and she would pick up anything as a weapon. I couldnt leave because the state had already proven she would get the kids. The cops who would show only cared if I hit or touched her, they didnt give two fucks about the bruises, lacerations, ripped clothing, and hair that was ripped out on me.

You see, women arent abusive, but males with PTSD are terrible people that should be locked up.

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I'm sorry, but I honestly think the only thing that guy did wrong was lose his temper by kicking the TV... that does not give the right for the woman to hit him for whatever reason.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves... if it was a 150lb guy punching a 250lb guy first, and the bigger guy then proceeded to deck him... every single fucking person that saw that would say "well why the fuck did he attack someone who is almost double his weight... what the fuck did he think would happen?". And that EXACT same logic applies here. If you don't want to get hit back, then don't hit someone. If you don't want to get hit harder than you hit someone, than don't fucking initiate violence on people much stronger than you.

I agree that they both seem like shitty people... but the simple fact is, the woman in the video would not have gotten hit at all, if she didn't initiate the violence... and that is the ONLY important thing.... and this is why those statistics that show "70% of non-reciprocal is initiated by women" are so important, because they discount all the other bullshit that shows that women get injured by DV more.... which is fucking obvious because they decide to punch people much stronger than them and think they are above other people and won't receive the same treatment back.

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the woman in the video would not have gotten hit at all, if she didn't initiate the violence

Now I just don't know about that, and we never can know. To her it may have seemed that violence was inevitable.

The major events, as I see them:

She says, sternly, that he needs to leave.
They disagree over whose playstation it is ("Is that fucking mine?" "This is mine!")
Between 0:18 and 0:22, the man escalates the situation, rising to his feet, raising the volume of his voice, ("WHERE IS MY FUCKING PLAYSTATION THEN?) and moving in extremely close to her. In his anger he delivers a very hard kick to the television immediately beside her. He repeats his question.

At this point I will deviate from an attempt at objectivity and offer my opinion. To me, his actions demonstrate either an inability to contain his anger and refrain from violent outbursts (I view that kick as a violent outburst), or demonstrate a deliberate intimidation tactic. I myself have been in situations in which I was treated much like this just before an altercation.

Now, to resume:

The woman warns him. "Keep on breaking stuff and then I'll have no choice but to call the cops."
(I can't make out what the man says at this point. To his credit, he has lowered his voice significantly.) He remains where he is.
At this point the woman strikes him.
When he moves to stop her, she demands, "Get out. Get out Sean." He retorts, "Don't even start." (There's more but I can't make it out, probably because he isn't facing the camera.)
She claims, "I'm protecting myself." He responds, "No you're not. Don't-don't start."
He adopts a calmer tone. "Move please, it's my T.V. It's not yours." She spreads her arms out to deny him. In response, he moves to her left to move her."

Here is where it gets hairy.

From it's outstretched position, she moves her right arm up to his face to push him away. Quickly, he catches her arm and pushes it back, rears back, and delivers a punch to her face.

I invite anyone to correct these events. What follows is opinion.

Now originally, I might have agreed with you. However, up until the point at which the woman initially resorts to violence, the man here was the one escalating the situation. He showed that he may lash out. He was the one (what I would describe as) threateningly close. In this particular case, he is much bigger and she is the one in the corner. After he punches, he claims that she punched him; she tried to hit him, I'll give him that. It doesn't seem from this angle that she ever really connected. In fact, the restraint in the strength of her attempted blows and the composure with which she demanded that he leave afterward both support her claim to self-defense, with an appropriate level of force given the specific case at hand. She even warned him first, warned him that she would get the police involved. He, by contrast, seems belligerent, looking at how he repeats the same question while kicking the T.V., even mid-sentence. The punch he delivers (after he already restrains her a split-second prior) just seems to me like grossly disproportionate retribution, and he follows the punch with, "Fucking bitch." He's angry and can't or won't control himself.

There are cases of domestic violence in which both sexes are victims. In fact, I believe recent statistics show that those cases occur about equally. This is something that people should be made aware of.

However, I now think this is a case of this man taking the aggressor role. She didn't have the right to hit him, but I can't say I definitely wouldn't have done the same were I faced with a 250lb guy.

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Laws are different in different places, but in most places, if a reasonable person would expect to be attacked in a given scenario, and a reasonable person wouldn't think that there was a way to escape or defuse the attack, then he's legally allowed to use force first.

I'm not saying that's what happened in this case. I'm only talking about the false idea that you can never legally hit first.

The next thing is that the law often takes into account the amount of force needed to end an attack. And now I am talking about this case. (In my opinion) a reasonable person would not conclude that he had to hit her at all to protect himself. A reasonable person would CERTAINLY not conclude that he had to clock her the way that he did.

So even if she were charged with battery, I think that he could be charged as well.

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"Keep on breaking stuff and then I'll have no choice but to call the cops."

So instead she hits him... which is the only thing that matters. She should have called the cops, but instead she initiated it.

the man here was the one escalating the situation

Sure... but only to a certain point.

I would also argue with your analysis, and say that her physically blocking him to begin with is also an escalation.

In this particular case, he is much bigger and she is the one in the corner

Completely irrelevant. If anything, that makes it even more of a dumbshit move on her part... why would you escalate things to 1-on-1 physical violence with someone who clearly outmatches you?

but I can't say I definitely wouldn't have done the same were I faced with a 250lb guy

Again, this is really stupid.

If I encounter GSP on the street (george st pierre) and he starts intimidating me... you really think the best course of action is to START a fight with him? If I punched him, he would knock me the fuck out so fast... and not a single fucking person would say shit other than "that derpanerb retard fucking deserved it... why would you punch someone for no reason... let alone someone completely and utterly capable of beating the shit out of you".

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I'm going to add something from another comment of mine that explains an important part of my position. Because, indeed, I think most people here are looking at this coldly. This was in answer to someone that made the point that had the woman been a man there wouldn't have been a problem from people like me. But that's not true:

There also has to be a context to be taken into consideration here. Yeah, the comparison you made is clever. But that's not right. What's the context? Had that been on the street between strangers, I would understand it. Maybe the smaller guy was trying to assault him and it was made in self-defense to avoid it. In that case I'd understand it. But these people are family, and at this moment, she doesn't seem to be a treat physically to him. I'd be sayin' this even if it was between father/son or brothers. You walk back and try to defuse the situation and perhaps talk to that person you supposedly love. If I were to punch my brother right across the face like that, just because he pushed me, I'd be apologizing quickly. I know he's not going to hurt me further unless I escalate the situation. So why would a react with a punch?

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But at the same time, by your own example, you DON'T know what she is capable of.

All we have to base it on is the video, what happened, and what is defined as assault. What we DON'T know is what either one has done in the past, what each one is capable of etc.

So instead of saying "I would back away" we clearly see that she DOES NOT do this. Instead she actually seams to be giving into his antagonizing ways and instead of immediately apologizing and trying to disfuse the situation, she instead pushes back.

And yes - in ANY situation where 2 people of different races or sexes are part of, you should, if you believe all races and sexes should be treated under the law as equals, take the gender/race out, replace it with "person A/B" and then look to see who is at fault.

Person A struck person B first. Person A is at fault.

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Again. There's a difference between strangers on the streets and family. It see

Let's chalk it up to agree to disagree here. But my argument is that his reaction -- which is what we're debating whether is right or wrong -- is not right. We know she's wrong for doing it. I'm not disputing that. But is his reaction right? She was obviously pushing him as he was getting closer. How about walking away and HIM defusing the situation? Doesn't he have a choice? What good did it come out of the situation? How is it "right" to punch her?

People here -- your argument included -- boils down to "a woman hit him, so he gets to hit her!" It is almost as if he didn't have a choice but to punch her in the face. But you don't take into account his other choices, and what's helpful for them and the kids.

There's nothing "right" that came out of the situation by him punching her. He could have reacted differently, too.

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I think people are ignoring the possibility that she could have a history of domestically abusing him. If that's the case, I would call her physically moving between him and the TV potentially legal assault (IE intimidation and/or threat of violence) and, if I understand the timeline (at work ; not planning to watch), that would make her the instigator in that area as well, which would mean that in this video she:

Instigated verbal aggression
Instigated legal assault
Instigated battery

Admittedly, this thought requires a ton of assumptions, but I can't help but notice that people just don't seem to be considering it. I would guess it's like the "Reaction to Women Abusing Men in Public" video in that people simply interpret the woman's actions as non-threatening while the companion section about the man abusing a women in public is seen as very threatening.

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My point is that it's completely irrelevant that what he did was wrong (because it was)... it would have never happened if she didn't initiate it.

If I go out into the street and punch someone in the face and then back off immediately... chances are I'm going to be punched back even though it's not self-defense if I'm not really posing a danger anymore. Would they be wrong for retaliating? Yes of course.... but would I have absolutely ANY room to bitch and say "Why'd I get punched!!"... of course not.

That's essentially what happened here. She antagonized him, and initiated the violence... and while it was wrong of him to retaliate... she is still 100% responsible for putting herself in that situation. He would not have struck her if she didn't strike first... and I'm fairly sure almost everyone here would agree.... and even if they don't, you can't judge people on what they MIGHT do. The simple fact is that he didn't touch her until she hit him.

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No, that is not the only important thing.

I'm sure you know there is a difference between shoving and punching someone right across the face. Not only is it obviously wrong for the guy to react violently as it is (seriously, how about just taking a break and reset the situation? Is that not "right"?), there has to be some more common sense here other than "She shoved = I get the right to clubber her right across the face!"

She pushes him. It hardly hurts him. Could he had pushed her back? I guess he could have. It wouldn't have been "right" -- because really, how can it be? What good is it going to come out of it? -- but at least I can see it as I case of giving her something of her own medicine. But he fuckin' punches her and obviously hurts her beyond anything she did to him.

There also has to be a context to be taken into consideration here. Yeah, the comparison you made is clever. But that's not right. What's the context? Had that been on the street between strangers, I would understand it. Maybe the smaller guy was trying to assault him and it was made in self-defense to avoid it. In that case I'd understand it. But these people are family, and at this moment, she doesn't seem to be a treat physically to him. I'd be sayin' this even if it was between father/son or brothers. You walk back and try to defuse the situation and perhaps talk to that person you supposedly love. If I were to punch my brother right across the face like that, just because he pushed me, I'd be apologizing quickly. I know he's not going to hurt me further unless I escalate the situation. So why would a react with a punch?

There's a lot more nuance than a simple "She touched him so he touched her!" here.

Edit: Added a sentence.

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I'm just going to link this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/16kjsy/reddit_white_knight_humiliated/c7x1rws

You walk back and try to defuse the situation and perhaps talk to that person you supposedly love

Sure... doesn't change the fact that every single thing you said, applies to the women INITIATING the violence in the first place. She is 100% responsible for what she received...

Would the guy simply calling the police and not doing anything have been a better option? Well maybe... oh wait, he would have been arrested for being the victim of DV because he's a man. Let's ignore that and assume that VAWA and the duluth model don't exist though. Would "being the better man" have been the better option? Sure, I agree 100%. Do I blame the guy even one tiny amount for not choosing to take that route? Nope, not even in the slightest.

As I've said before, the outcome of this video rests 100% squarely on the women's shoulders and the actions she initiated. Not only was she the first to strike, but she was the first to try and physically block him from what I assume to be his own property (and if it wasn't, then call the fucking police). Her actions could have 100% prevented her getting punched in the face if she didn't try and take advantage of her pussy pass and commit violence towards a man without expecting retaliation.

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doesn't change the fact that every single thing you said, applies to the women INITIATING the violence in the first place. She is 100% responsible for what she received...

I'm not denying she was wrong. She had a choice. She choose the wrong one. But I'm just saying he's not a robot. He had a choice, too. And he choose the wrong one as well.

Don't you think he had a choice?

Would the guy simply calling the police and not doing anything have been a better option? Well maybe... oh wait, he would have been arrested for being the victim of DV because he's a man.

So punching your wife is the better option.

Would "being the better man" have been the better option? Sure, I agree 100%. Do I blame the guy even one tiny amount for not choosing to take that route? Nope, not even in the slightest.

Well, there you go. If being the lesser man and repeating her violence is the right thing to do, then I'm sure the kids learned a valuable lesson when they were seeing him. He'll have a tough time explaining to them why they shouldn't punch one another. If your brother/sister pushes you, you punch them in the face!

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Nobody's defending the guy. He was definitely wrong to hit someone like that.

But nobody took the moral high road in this situation. Yet the commenters were quick to condemn the man for not doing so, and even quicker to immediately claim that the woman was a complete and utter victim, and shouldn't have to take the moral high road. (The high road in this case would be to protect her children and call the police/ her lawyer)

Despite the physical altercation, we don't know if the television was his, and we don't know if she was barring him from taking his goods with him.

I once again state that nobody believes he was right to hit her. But for all we know (and all we know is the violent aspect), she was barring him from his stuff. If she was, then her putting herself between him and it was wrong. Not just because it would be his property, but because the position she put herself in was incredibly dangerous to her person, as she voluntarily slipped herself into a corner with an aggressive adversary bearing down on her.

The last two things I mentioned would be a bad idea regardless of whether she was a man or a woman, and regardless of whether or not she was smaller than him.

To summarize: Men's Rights has an issue with both people, because both of them laid hands on one another. They have an issue that, when it came down to it, people immediately stigmatized the man as wrong and the woman as right.

If it was a woman who aggressed against a man and struck him after a deterring blow to her, society would still try to justify the woman's actions. That's what they have an issue with, and me as well.

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Alright. Quick note, one of the things that got me into Men's Rights was the concept of social expectations of gender roles. Such as men are always the aggressor in any situation, or that women should always be treated with kiddy gloves.

What we have to go on for this situation is a measly one minute long video. Obviously, that's not enough to garner enough information about the whole of the situation. But this one minute does provide some information.

What we see, at the start, is a man acting calm, and a woman acting agitated. She raises her voice first, he swears first. She gets physical first ("Take whatever you want!" right before trying to grab a PS2 out of his hands. That was the first physically aggressive act).

He kicks his own TV out of, apparently, anger, and maybe frustration. Her response was to threaten police action. As soon as he points out that it's his TV, she goes to slap him. With the excuse that she's protecting herself, no less. Again, she's initiating physical conflict with the excuse that she's protecting herself. And that whole little while, if you watch carefully, her hands keep moving towards him, and he keeps deflecting.

At this point, she should have demanded he step back, give her space in some fashion. Instead, she holds herself over the TV in an apparent attempt to prevent him from taking it. Again, after telling (yelling) him to take whatever he wants. And it's already established, the TV is his.

When he tries to move her out of the way to get to the TV, she slaps him again. That's at the very least the third time she went for that attack, and that was when he punched her.

Physically violent acts from the woman at this point: >3. From the man? 2, one of which was against his own inanimate object. And yes, it can certainly be argued that his stepping towards her was a physically aggressive act... but to my eyes, it was a threatened individual moving to meet the threat head-on. The "fight" part of fight-or-flight.

If you're assuming that men are always the physical aggressor, then yes, obviously he was. But, and here's the important part, what that video shows is her being the physical aggressor, biting off more than she can chew. Ever seen a guy with "small-man syndrome" at a bar, picking a fight with the biggest guy he can find, and getting his ass kicked? Pretty much the same, here.

Yes, they were both assholes, cocks, douche bags, whatever other insult you want to throw at them. Yes, both of them needed to calm down and walk away. But your comment suggests you're siding with her for some magical reason. He did not escalate the situation the whole time. They both did, and she (in the minute we have to watch) she escalates first, and more often.

turned the camera off (wonder why)

For all we know, she has a history of being verbally and physically abusive towards him, in front of their kids, and this was the first time he'd managed to get it recorded. Maybe he turned the camera off because he knew he had enough evidence. But if you're going to assume that it was for a nefarious reason, you're perpetuating the idea that males are little more than aggressive and violent beasts.

By all means, find more information on this couple, and share it with us. Or even just me. Please, find a way to convince me that he was in the wrong without assuming.

But for the record...

Most of the comments in this thread are fucking sick.

Most seem to be discussing the particular legalities and philosophies of self defense. A bunch of others seem to be discussing/insulting the White Knight phenomenon (which could, and would, certainly happen without this video being associated to it). A good number are discussing SJW's in general, sparked by the topic. There's even a small number talking about how poorly people are reacting to this thread ("can we not turn this subreddit into /r/Atheism?"). And a few that seem to be extolling the man's actions in the video. A few.

But, since Abe hasn't gotten back to me, and you responded instead, I'll ask again. Did he deserve the first hit he received? Or the second?

this is a great demonstration of men's rights and equality because it looked like she might have tried to hit him first.

Would you be so anal over a video involving two men in the exact same situation?

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Whatever mate, like I said if this (holding up this video as some beacon of equality, and celebrating that he cracks her in the head) is mens rights, then I'm out. And that's what I've seen in most of the comments, everyone running to say how justified he was. I won't even bother to get into his use of force, proportionate to hers, because I'm sure it will be just more of the "she hit first everything he did was totally awesome and justified equal rights booya" They are both fucking stupid, but in my opinion he was the aggressor. He had an obvious size advantage, he moved towards her in an aggressive way when she was at the tv, and all the other points I made above. But whatever, you obviously see it different. To address a few of your specific points: >He kicks his own TV out of, apparently, anger, and maybe frustration. Her response was to threaten police action.

Right, and if either of them were smart, they would have already had the police there to keep the peace while he collected his things. (How did we determine it was his tv while we're at it, since I know you hate assumptions?)

>And it's already established, the TV is his.

Since this is obviously a key point to you, again, how did this get established?

>And yes, it can certainly be argued that his stepping towards her was a physically aggressive act... but to my eyes, it was a threatened individual moving to meet the threat head-on. The "fight" part of fight-or-flight.

Right, he was so threatened by her he had to storm over to her and get in her face.

>If you're assuming that men are always the physical aggressor, then yes, obviously he was.

WTF? When did I say this, I am absolutely sure women are just as capable of being aggressors. I've seen it. This isn't an example of that.

>For all we know, she has a history of being verbally and physically abusive towards him, in front of their kids, and this was the first time he'd managed to get it recorded.

And for all we know, he has a history of beating the shit out of her, and that's why she was she was acting "agitated" and trying to get rid of him. We can sit here and assume all day, obviously we're not going to agree.

>Maybe he turned the camera off because he knew he had enough evidence. But if you're going to assume that it was for a nefarious reason, you're perpetuating the idea that males are little more than aggressive and violent beasts.

Oh shit, better quickly get that camera off, in case I get too much evidence! Yeah, I guess that's why he had to drag her over there too after she had slumped to the ground. Bullshit, what a ridiculous statement, that i'm perpetuating the idea that males are violent aggressive beasts. I'd say the fucking beast that cracked her in the head, grabbed both her arms and dragged her over while he switched off the camera is doing a much finer job of that than me. Yet apparently he's the poster child for this sub.

>Would you be so anal over a video involving two men in the exact same situation?

Yeah, I would. And if someone posted it as a great example of gay equality because it was of two men, I'd leave that sub too.

Seriously, you have done exactly what you are accusing me of. You have painted this video in whatever light suits your agenda. That's fine, but to me it is pretty obviously not that way. You've made just as many assumptions as you accuse me of. It is a terrible example to try and give in favor of mens rights, and also helps to promote half the negative stereotypes you are complaining about, because to any half sensible person watching it is obvious he is being the aggressor, and it is nothing like equal between the two of them. A much larger and stronger person uses excessive force against a much smaller person, then forcefully drags them away after they have slumped to the ground. Considering the comments and the up-votes, that brings a lot of joy to this community, so obviously it's not the place for me. And that's fine.

>Even the crying is fake!

That's just one of the comments that I have seen in this thread, that I am referring too. But why am I not surprised you have cherry picked them as much as you did the video.

EDIT: Did he deserve the first hit? Fucked if I know, video doesn't give me enough info to make that call. But it's also a shit example for mens rights, and she also didn't deserve the hit that she copped.

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Title	Reddit White Knight humiliated
Author	robert32907
Upvotes	1675
Comments	337
Date	January 14, 2013 8:28 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/16kjsy/reddit-white-knight-humiliated/
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