Wage Gap

Terribledragon4Hire · 2016-12-11T20:18:04+00:00

It's an earnings gap. Not a wage gap.

Always, always make sure you specify this

Greg_W_Allan · 2016-12-12T04:11:16+00:00

Average hours worked by full time employees in my country are 35/wk for women and 44/wk for men. That's your "gap". Average hourly rates of pay differ by about only 1%.

EricAllonde · 2016-12-12T04:39:44+00:00

I'd like you guys to take a look at the pay gap study that feminists hate the most, so that you can all arm yourselves with it for future discussions:

Korn Ferry HayGroup study March 2016

For years we’ve read bold headlines about the gender pay gap, reporting that around the world men are paid an average of 20% more than women. Our global research confirms this gap but also shows that when compared “like for like”, the gender pay gap reduces to 1.6%.

Put simply a man and a woman doing the same job in the same function and company, get paid almost exactly the same.

This is pretty much the final word on this nonsense.

The study uses data on 8.7 million employees across 33 countries. The data is sourced directly from the companies employing the employees in the study, so it contains more information than government data usually does. That's why the study is able to compare men & women in the same job and with the same level of experience to get a proper apples-to-apples number.

If you put this in front of a feminist they will quickly retreat to their fallback position of, "Oh, well female-dominated industries have lower pay because society values women less...", but at least it will be the end of the "77 cents on the dollar for the same work" idiocy.

Terribledragon4Hire · 2016-12-11T20:33:19+00:00

Can also add:

Dirtier jobs

Shorter life span

pintocat · 2016-12-11T22:28:55+00:00

The "different career choices" box should be a lot bigger than the others

electricalnoise · 2016-12-11T22:29:15+00:00

They don't want their career choices to affect their pay, they want our career choices to affect our lifespan, for the same money.

"Yeah you guys can have the dangerous work, we'll just take the money. Oh yeah get over here and lift these boxes for me while you're in here"

El_Kabong_Returns · 2016-12-11T23:35:36+00:00

If the wage gap were really true then why wouldn't women be a much larger majority of the work force? Employers can pay 23% less for the same work.

McFeely_Smackup · 2016-12-11T22:09:52+00:00

The cartoon represents a fundamental failure of understanding the earning gap, and attempting to justify the myth of "wage gap" rather than illustrating the fact that it doesn't exist in the first place.

Lumberingfeather · 2016-12-11T20:31:37+00:00

You can add longer time spent commuting to and from work, more unsociable hours and later retirement ages too.

coyotefleas · 2016-12-11T23:25:06+00:00

My aunt is the wealthiest person I know. At one point in her career as a business executive she estimates she was making $850 an hour. She worked long hours, upwards of 70 per week, and could be called on to take on difficult projects at a moment's notice from her boss, who is a difficult and demanding human being. She was only married once, and she told her husband that he would get 10% of her time, tops, and that her career was her top priority (he ultimately committed suicide, not sure if related to her career). She had no children. She is currently "retired" but her 93 year old boss will not let her go entirely, and he pays her an annual salary (more than most Americans make) to attend 4 board meetings a year. She still takes on projects for the company just to keep her mind sharp and because she enjoys it. I asked her what she would do differently and she said "Nothing, I would do it all over again."

TL;DR My aunt made lots of sacrifices and has a ridiculous work ethic and is rolling in hard earned $$$. No kids, few hobbies.

Oldcheese · 2016-12-11T23:43:56+00:00

Where I live in holland women actually make more on average below the age of 40. Yet somehow no Meninists sprouted up to complain.

douglasg14b · 2016-12-11T22:22:51+00:00

This kind of comic only perpetuates the misinformation that a gap of significance actually exists.

The data is misleading as you could compare a women working 35 hours a week to a man working 40 hours a week, and say that she earns 87.5% of what her male counterpart does to push for a higher wage for her while ignoring the actual worked hours difference.

blue_horse_shoe · 2016-12-12T01:54:20+00:00

I had a look at the wage gap in Australia using data from the 2011 Census. I observed a 2% wage gap across all occupations. No matter how far I turned the data ontop of itself, I couldn't get the magical 20-30%.

Where does it come from?

Propaganda4Lunch · 2016-12-12T10:16:06+00:00

You jerks are so privileged to work jobs that KILL & INJURE you at a rate a thousand times higher than our jobs.

captainmustard · 2016-12-12T06:44:55+00:00

This post is getting brigaded from somewhere hard.

elebrin · 2016-12-11T20:57:51+00:00

Then they blame us for taking on all the boxes in the first place, and bitch about how blue collar labor is going to ruin the environment and how all those industries should be regulated out of existence.

richardcpeterson · 2016-12-12T05:14:49+00:00

46% of men negotiate their salaries. 30% of women negotiate their salaries. (source: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553383876).

That leads to a wage gap for similar work performed, in addition to the earnings gap for the reasons in the cartoon.

casemodsalt · 2016-12-12T05:40:56+00:00

My new job has no women. Working on cell phone towers.

Where are the women at?????

lowsodiummonkey · 2016-12-12T04:10:42+00:00

Add more dangerous jobs if that hasn't been listed yet.

DolphinsAreOk · 2016-12-12T06:48:22+00:00

Men are much, much more likely to be involved in an accident at work http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Accidents_at_work_statistics

zfighter18 · 2016-12-12T10:39:45+00:00

The thing I hate the most about this is that most women 18-30 working the same jobs generally get higher salaries than men the same age.

stumpdawg · 2016-12-11T21:14:16+00:00

i can do the same work as you too you know! watch!!

Huunnnn...Ugnnnn...hold on a sec i can lift this. Ugnnnnn...Hunnnnn...just a minute i got this. Hunn....ummm...a little help?!?!?

All_of_the · 2016-12-12T04:19:12+00:00

*95% as many carrots

FuckURedditor · 2016-12-12T09:45:45+00:00

No feminist has been able to explain to me why someone who can lift and carry half of what I can, should be paid as much as i do in a job that involves lifting and carrying.

Add to that the number of jobs--or just tasks within a job--that are dangerous or gross, which most women will flatly refuse to do. So why should someone who cant do as well as I can and who wont do all that I'll do, get paid what I can get paid. If I can or will do 30% more work, i deserve commensurately more pay.

poopyroadtrip · 2016-12-12T00:16:29+00:00

So this brings up a really big question for me no matter what way I look at it.

First, I come from a biologist's background. Biology isn't politically correct. Are men's and women's brains the same or different? It's still not clear depending on whether you're doing MRI scans or brain mapping

Edit: but there are clear anatomical differences of the brains

From a social science perspective, I expect a feminist would look at this comic and state that females have societal burdens that men don't have, such as being encouraged (traditionally) not to pursue math or science, being presented as stupider and dependent on men in our society etc.

From a policy and wage perspective, only the things on the male horse's back are really relevant. But should they be.

I think everyone has their own perspective into this. But I think we should keep an open mind discussing with people you don't necessarily agree with. It's good to talk things out like mature adults. To open minded discussion!

pastsurprise · 2016-12-12T05:34:32+00:00

Specifically to the picture though--as a 230 lb. male body builder, I am allotted the same cafeteria stipend as my 85 lb. Asian lady secretary. Bugs the shit out of me.

gabblox · 2016-12-12T05:36:34+00:00

I wonder if the female horse might also have some baggage.

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monkeyfullofbarrels · 2016-12-12T10:38:26+00:00

I love how everyone is surprised or outraged that you can't discuss this issue with a ten word blanket statement and a line drawing.

America-Numba-1 · 2016-12-12T13:50:36+00:00

petition to take women out of the workplace so there are fewer people for the same amount of jobs and a man will be able to provide for a family again due to the increase in wages

yo-yo-baggins · 2016-12-12T14:20:29+00:00

Fuck the wage gap, fuck it in its ass.

You want a wage gap? Try my pants on...

My coworkers all make at least $4/hour more then I do.

I get no vacation, no sick, no personal days at all. None. My coworkers have a generous package.

My healthcare is the bare minimum that passes Obamacare's muster. I pay $50/weekly for the privilege of getting almost nothing at all. My coworkers have terrific healthcare.

What is going on? I am a contract employee.

Fuck women and there wage gap myth. I wish that was my problem.

I know no one is reading this, but it just keeps getting better. Our families healthcare is going to cost $1600/month under COBRA. I am trying to figure out what Obamacare is going to cost, but Obamacare won't tell me. I give them a shit ton of personal, private information only to get to a roadblock telling me to not bother coming back to the site until after I have lost my healthcare insurance.

I CAN'T EVEN GET A PRICE OUT OF OBAMACARE. My other options are no healthcare, $1600/month, or health insurance through my contractor that I have already identified as a scam.

And I have to work just as hard if not harder then all of my coworkers who are making more then I am. A lot more. $1600/month more.

God damned I am pissed.

CyberMonkeyNinja · 2016-12-12T14:33:30+00:00

What decade is the analogy from? If the majority of work relied on physical labor and working hard, sure horses might be a good analogy. But most work today is done by machines operated by people, maybe. Physical strength and stamina are less important today the anytime in recorded history. People don’t move heavy things they use a forklift. A 200 lb guy and a 100 girl can move the same 5 ton of material in the same time because they are both pressing pedal, buttons and moving levers. Implying most work is physical labor in the US is as out dated as the idea that horse provide considerable labor in the modern economy.

hateitorleaveit · 2016-12-12T05:51:00+00:00

now pay for my dinner too btw

Rex9 · 2016-12-12T03:57:44+00:00

The Female horse should be pudgy/fat to properly represent the constituency.

Hammaspeikk0 · 2016-12-12T05:52:43+00:00

Not that anyone here will read this, but:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html

mares13 · 2016-12-12T03:57:34+00:00

Male RNs make more than female RNs in the same jobs. This was reported in a national study this year. It's real.

1LtKaiser · 2016-12-11T23:14:31+00:00

Perfect and accurate. Why don't they put a deflated bag on the female horse that says "3 pregnancies in 5 years"

ErnestJ · 2016-12-12T13:05:08+00:00

Wage gap isn't even real

Theeeantifeminist · 2016-12-12T07:30:00+00:00

I'll just leave this there

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/

Nulono · 2016-12-11T22:14:33+00:00

I feel like I've seen this here before.

orangesndlimes · 2016-12-12T13:19:47+00:00

TriggeredREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Pvt-Snafu · 2016-12-12T16:05:12+00:00

Share the baggage of one between the two and this meme can also be applied to the salary difference between employees.

ZimbaZumba · 2016-12-12T16:28:26+00:00

It is an earnings gap, not a wage gap. People should remember this.

Men earn more because they put more effort into doing so. This is not a value judgement, just a statement of fact. The "Wage Gap" movement is essentially trying to get women to work harder under less rewarding less circumstances. People should also remember this.

Women should beware of this catchy little noun phrase "Wage Gap", it is an attempt to increase the labor pool at the expense of their quality of life.

thesilkroadtrucker · 2016-12-12T08:31:16+00:00

I thought the wage gap was based on a male and female with the same job and the female makes less.

eddlette · 2016-12-12T12:34:08+00:00

How do you explain wage/earning gaps within the same industry? Such as the data represented here. Men make more than women even in fields where they outnumber women. https://datausa.io/story/04-04-2016_men-still-dominate/

loldiecracker · 2016-12-12T11:14:13+00:00

Lol when women do the bulk of unpaid housework. This is so stupid

5142340 · 2016-12-12T06:24:24+00:00

Wow this is actually pathetic. This may be the largest collection of neck beards on reddit.

alclarkey · 2016-12-12T09:33:14+00:00

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vnotfound · 2016-12-12T09:08:55+00:00

Women want equality. They want the same working conditions, same number of days off, all that. And the same wage.

Strong__Belwas · 2016-12-12T08:10:35+00:00

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE MEN?

the entire government and criminal justice system looks just like me, but i'm being persecuted against!

god how do you guys get to be this dumb it's honestly impressive

betterthanbrewster · 2016-12-11T23:19:09+00:00

Which one is it OP? Is there no wage gap, or is the wage gap justified because men work longer hours and more difficult jobs?

captainmustard · 2016-12-12T05:54:12+00:00

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Entropy- · 2016-12-12T04:08:59+00:00

I also love how the female horse is stating something but puts a question mark at the end like how some girls do?

Bread-kunn · 2016-12-12T04:48:27+00:00

Posting this image gives creedence to the whole "Women wage gap" myth. Don't post that image.

TestyMicrowave · 2016-12-12T04:15:54+00:00

Is this cartoon supposed to represent an intelligent argument? Why not just make a fucking argument? More overtime - are we complaining about that?

afbik · 2016-12-12T09:29:26+00:00

For really Men doing all the work while woman complain is athing they need to stop making us do. When will he 3D printer pussys. Be reAdy thats what I want to know.

Tiffany_Stallions · 2016-12-12T09:07:45+00:00

Let's just ignore the fact that women do more (if not all) unpaid work at home like cooking, cleaning, dishes. Lets also ignore that they're always assumed to be the ones in charge of looking after the kids, raising them, changing diapers, help with homework etc. Women work at a job then come home and start the second job, no chill with a beer while watching sports...

tele_paths · 2016-12-12T09:18:09+00:00

lol. so this subreddit now defends the idea that men should earn more and it's justified?

i thought this was "men's rights", not "men deserve more". delusional people here, holy shit.

even if you don't consider yourself a misogynist, something as hilarious as this getting upvoted says alot about this sub.

Frontfart · 2016-12-12T10:09:48+00:00

More productivity.....

Lupin_The_Fourth · 2016-12-12T12:07:08+00:00

Great example

thewubdoctor · 2016-12-12T12:32:18+00:00

It's so funny how a set of balls almost guarantees an inferiority complex. It's like your body knows you're inferior to women even if you don't.

cronos844 · 2016-12-12T04:16:18+00:00

Different career choices

mmmm

More working injuries.

There it is.

Less comfortable working conditions

See above, and even if it is less comfortable, trying being pregnant and have no time off for that.

reddit_user123456789 · 2016-12-12T05:41:28+00:00

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mekraab123 · 2016-12-12T06:06:40+00:00

How is this a subreddit?

mariosaurusrex · 2016-12-12T06:15:31+00:00

Everyone in this subreddit is really over reacting.like come on can't we just try to make this more equal. Is that really to much to ask

Unpacer · 2016-12-12T06:29:26+00:00

It goes to 6-8% when you consider those things, no? I can't we remember where I saw this :/

Title	Wage Gap
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Date	December 11, 2016 7:33 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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