Workplace gender equality

Revoran · 2014-09-22T14:11:19+00:00

So we have a few possibilities:

There were plenty of male applicants, but the female applicants were better qualified by a ratio of 8:1
There was 8 times more female applicants, because men are less likely to buy into this bullshit.
This agency deliberately hires women over men to suit their ideology and agenda.

Without knowing how many people applied for a job there and what their qualifications were, it's impossible to make a final judgement. But I know what I would place my money on...

BTW this was October 24 last year in case anyone was initially confused.

JustTruthful · 2014-09-22T15:53:55+00:00

We have the exactly same problem here in Finland in our ministry's gender equality department. Two years ago they didn't have any males on staff. After a public outcry they recruited two profeminist men. Now their department head reasons that they can't hire men because the qualification is a degree in gender studies (renamed women's studies) and then she adds that they don't need men to understand male problems. F* that makes me angry. They are the highest discriminatory office, hence you can't complain about their discrimination to anywhere.

EnormousTurnip · 2014-09-22T14:25:31+00:00

Who's betting the guys are the IT support? :)

SirSkeptic · 2014-09-22T13:18:54+00:00

Just why has the Minister for Equal Opportunity never been a male?

ImNotIntoPokemon · 2014-09-22T14:01:30+00:00

But the guys there are paid 50% more than their coworkers, so it evens out. /s

revofire · 2014-09-22T15:47:28+00:00

For the people who believe most feminists are misguided, this is what they fight for. Inequality. They want superiority.

The newbies are misguided sure... but that all changes eventually.

AustNerevar · 2014-09-22T23:38:39+00:00

Why do so many people think the definition of equality is "advantage for women". This is literally the opposite of equality.

konoplya · 2014-09-22T15:54:31+00:00

that looks like my job. our ceo (female) specifically only hires females. i'm one of the few guys there.

iamnotfromtexas90 · 2014-09-22T15:07:19+00:00

THIS IS FEMINISM

blndcavefsh · 2014-09-22T14:18:14+00:00

Someone needs a dictionary.

Workchoices · 2014-09-22T23:43:44+00:00

This is the Australian public service,

Salary is typically lower than the private sector, but yes conditions are significantly better. Shorter working days, higher superannuation contributions, random paid days off work (next Monday is "family day").

These are typically very safe, indoors type jobs with great benefits, a year of paid maternity leave etc... Studies have shown women prefer these types of jobs even if the pay is lower.

The funny thing is, all of these women's jobs are going to contribute to the false "women make 77c of what a man makes" myth (which is still very prominent in Australia with all forms of journalism and politicians citing it and nobody calling them out) Because these women make less money than coal miners(mining is our biggest sector, a bloke in the mines makes $150k a year easy, these women are probably ASO3 so they make a out 45k)

neightdog · 2014-09-22T16:09:32+00:00

I research land records at county courthouses across oklahoma. Both the County Clerk's and the Court Clerk's office of every county I visit is 100% staffed by women

iThePolice · 2014-09-22T18:10:31+00:00

I would literally go insane having to work with 25+ women for the rest of my life.

redwormcharlie · 2014-09-22T19:13:01+00:00

Those guys have to feel as if every day is a delicate walk on egg shells.

Whisper · 2014-09-22T20:35:59+00:00

All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.

MisterBarbaredo · 2014-09-22T19:29:01+00:00

You would be hard pressed to find a town hall here on long island that wasn't almost completely staffed by women.

throwaway9824684 · 2014-09-23T21:37:27+00:00

I work at the IRS. Let me tell you, it is about 70-80% women who work there. 90% of managers are female. Promotions are all about who is friends with who and not based on merit or ability at all. They even have non-technical leads and managers, which means they have zero training or understanding (I am not joking or being hyperbolic at all when I say zero) of the job and responsibilities of the people they supervise. The main job of managers is to review and evaluate randomly selected cases, but if you are non-technical and cant do the job yourself, how do they do this? No one knows.

I had a friend who has been trying to get promoted for 2 years. Annually he get graded on a bucket system and the best score you can achieve is a 5. One year he received a 3.8 with 2 non-perfect reviews, procedural errors only not accuracy or disclosure (providing private info to unauthorized party). Disclosure gives you auto 1 point deduction if you make even one error in a year. His female co-worker had 1 disclosure, 2 accuracy errors and 2 procedural errors and received a 4.

The next year he aced his reviews. No errors, at all. You get reviews 4 times a month. 2 from your manager and 2 from the quality department that reviews everyone. His annual review from his manager was a 3.5 and we went to the union and got it changed to a 4. How do you get a worse annual evaluation when your reviews are better? His co-worker became his lead (asst manager) of his unit a few months later, she got a 4.8 that year and had 3 customer accuracy errors.

This is not an isolated incident either. Many men face the same problems with promotion. The male managers in our building are all over 50 (except for 3) and some have only been promoted to manager after 7 - 10 years in the same position. There are female managers who have 3 - 4 years experience. There are no male department managers (the manager of the managers). But the Service Center head (the highest ranking person in the building) is male.

Sexism against males happens everyday and you CAN NOT fight against it. If you do you are ostracized and destroy any possibility for advancement.

Could you imagine being 45 years old, doing a job you have done for 15 - 20 years and then having a younger less experienced (in time) manager promoted above you who is not even trained to do your job and it is their job to evaluate how well you do your job.

garblegarble12 · 2014-09-22T15:47:23+00:00

None of them see the irony of their 'gender equality' team. Kind of like having an all black or all white 'race equality' team. Government needs urgent reform. People haven't cared about this for too long.

Pteridium · 2014-09-22T22:46:43+00:00

I've applied for many labor oriented jobs only to find out that they didn't even look at my application past my feminine first name. Needless to say, I'm perfectly capable of performing the jobs I apply to, because obviously, I know my capabilities better than anyone. There are all kinds of jobs that I know I won't get just because I'm a woman.

One example: I applied for a job at a big store in receiving, because I like being on my feet, the hours worked for me, I'm not patient enough to cut it in customer service, and it paid better than a cashier. So naturally they interviewed me for a cashier job. I needed the job, even if it didn't pay as well, so I took it. When I started working there I discovered that every single person working in receiving was a fucking dude.

Sorry for the anecdote that supports the empirically supported phenomenon where women lose to men in hiring. Now, what were you saying about misandrous conspiracy theories for which you haven't even formulated a coherent hypothesis, much less provided evidence?

Chef_Lebowski · 2014-09-22T23:24:02+00:00

My goodness, look at all that equality. Just so much equality there.

kmaster2520 · 2014-09-23T00:07:09+00:00

"Equality"

PeteMullersKeyboard · 2014-09-23T01:22:42+00:00

Wow! Look how equal they are! They're so fucking equal! If only they could get rid of all the men! Then they'd be perfect.

BuddhaB · 2014-09-23T01:47:02+00:00

I work in a city with a high percentage of Government departments. The employment of woman in these divisions is more that 50/50. Public servants in Australia are also well paid.

I work in a male dominated industry and would like to employee more woman. This is due to us wanting to target consumers with the highest disposable income, demographers tell us they are woman in there early to mid 20's and retirees. Unfortunately we can not pay the wages high enough and/or give the employment entitlements to encourage woman to come to our industry.

we do have this going for us which is nice. https://www.facebook.com/ACTPolicing/posts/363007007184155

edit: formating

triplefastaction · 2014-09-22T19:25:08+00:00

I would fuck my way through that office like Ebola in Africa.

InLoveWithKueppers · 2014-09-22T19:44:01+00:00

I'm not sure they understand the word equality.

Curious_Swede · 2014-09-22T20:11:45+00:00

They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2014-09-22T20:42:59+00:00

The government should threaten to shut these departments down until they hire a minimum 40% men.

That will mean firing a lot of qualified women and not hiring any for some time. But it's not unfair discrimination because we instead call it equality. And all the women who lose out should accept it. They're privileged, they need to lose that privilege. Complaining is misandry.

/isn't that the logic for decent fields where men dominate?

Visimicus · 2014-09-22T23:50:49+00:00

Let's not start advocating for gender based Affirmative Action? It is inherently sexist to both genders. I somehow doubt many men apply for this job.

DimeTree · 2014-09-23T00:44:15+00:00

Equality

Diesel-66 · 2014-09-23T01:29:48+00:00

same thing happens here.

I went in for a govt job testing. The main person gave a little speech and finished with "We celebrate diversity". I looked around the room and EVERY employee there was black. Uhhhhhh ....

billybishop4242 · 2014-09-23T04:28:12+00:00

feminism's idea of equality, maybe.

Reggie1971 · 2014-09-23T04:37:41+00:00

It looks like an accounts receivable department.

stuff_and_crap · 2014-09-22T17:00:03+00:00

must be hell for those 3 poor souls

keeead · 2014-09-22T19:26:35+00:00

Well of course there's something wrong when women don't outnumber/strip/pace/survive men by at least 80%.

Tsuketsu · 2014-09-22T20:25:09+00:00

Only 11% further to true equality! wait... that's not how math works...

darwinsaves · 2014-09-22T21:35:42+00:00

All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.

boltsteve · 2014-09-22T23:29:02+00:00

I'm also chuckling that the workload is lighter in the public sector job than the private sector. Sounds like they need to save tax money and let some of those employees go.

mohavewolfpup · 2014-09-23T01:47:43+00:00

Clearly the problem here is that the 3 men are actually outside maintenance staff... Someone took the photo wrong. Can we get some updated photos in a few days to fix this serious error?

/s

defedude · 2014-09-23T01:56:34+00:00

It really depends on government agencies.

Where I live, the social services ministry is almost entirely women, while the finance ministries are predominantly male.

This agency would almost certainly be a part of their social services ministry.

rag3train · 2014-09-23T02:14:14+00:00

It honestly must suck to be a guy in that office.

juicy_truth · 2014-09-23T02:40:46+00:00

You never know... there could be 22 men behind the camera taking the photo. /s

noshamefuckit · 2014-09-23T04:44:48+00:00

God dam Australia

ENTP · 2014-09-23T06:44:09+00:00

That looks like the work related deaths and injuries pie chart.... but backwards!

Insula92 · 2014-09-23T08:57:29+00:00

Still 10% unequality left.

infernalsatan · 2014-09-23T11:59:06+00:00

Gender equality means all men must be expelled from society?

IONCEWASBANNED · 2014-09-23T14:19:07+00:00

I'm curious as to what department this is, and what the titles/roles of the people in the picture are. If it's an administrative/secretarial pool or social work or something of that nature, I would not be surprised if it's comprised mostly of women.

tatertaught · 2014-10-07T02:58:48+00:00

We criticize feminists who say that the wage gap is because women choose to work less and choose lesser paying jobs. Why can't it be that fewer men chose to apply?

Hylian_Trumpeter · 2014-09-22T19:29:26+00:00

3 Men? Yep. CEO, CIO, CFO

Checkmate

newtothelyte · 2014-09-22T21:45:39+00:00

#1, #24, and #25 are mildly attractive

Stephen1985 · 2014-09-23T00:39:46+00:00

Fuck you literally couldn't make this shit up

insaneHoshi · 2014-09-23T03:15:09+00:00

That image title though

scuba182 · 2014-09-23T04:15:17+00:00

You missed one I count 26 females. Hiding right under male #1

Deansdale · 2014-09-23T11:48:41+00:00

This would deserve a million upvotes.

The definition of feminism is... This picture.

RaxL · 2014-09-22T21:33:21+00:00

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

GAD604 · 2014-09-23T06:32:40+00:00

It's australia...

Who cares?

Lohengren · 2014-09-22T18:51:34+00:00

men are worth 8.3 times as much as a woman.

aeolian_knight · 2014-09-22T18:03:33+00:00

Those men probably know more about dieting than professional nutritionists after working in an office environment like that.

Pteridium · 2014-09-22T22:21:05+00:00

If you fucking geniuses see an office staffed with 90% women you're all "OMFG MISANDRY. The Global Feminist Conspiracy has overtaken the Australian Bureaucracy!"

And if you see an office staffed 90% by men you would say "Those men were simply hired on merit. It's not the men's fault that women can't compete at the same level."

You're all such fucking hypocrites.

No, seriously, I want a direct and pragmatic answer. What do you think caused this? Do you think the Australian Bureaucracy is under direct control of the imaginary GlObAl FEmInIsT cOnSpIrAcY? Are you sure that maybe these women didn't simply out-compete other professionals? ARE YOU SURE? Do you know that this isn't how affirmative action works, ie. affirmative action did not cause this. And do you fucking know that feminists don't give a fuck if an office staff isn't majority women. There are no feminists sitting around ranting about how the staff in her office is only 50% female. None. That doesn't happen, you dim morons.

holyfreakingshitake · 2014-09-22T15:58:03+00:00

I've heard from people that have been there that most of Australia is extremely sexist and racist. This isn't the worst thing ever, maybe Australia simply needs women fighting for women's rights there...

Sainsbo · 2014-09-22T15:54:44+00:00

I'm guessing that there's a large female:male applicant ratio.

This is the shit feminists usually complain about. It's not inequality. A business is going to hire whoever is more productive because that's how businesses become sucessful.

This sub has become just as bad as 2X

dirtyratchet · 2014-09-22T16:25:51+00:00

You're right. It makes no sense that an agency called the workplace gender equality agency would be mostly staffed by women. It's not as though workplace inequality disproportionately affects women or anything. Also it's nice of you to provide sources for your claims of lighter workload and higher pay.

JoelDaMan · 2014-09-22T18:15:55+00:00

You guys are desperate.

NISMOkwim · 2014-09-22T18:07:49+00:00

How the hell has this been upvoted? The stupidity of OP and large swaths of the commenters is the only thing to actually get mad about. Open your fucking eyes children.

blitzbomb2 · 2014-09-22T17:25:40+00:00

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah..... You mean woman getting jobs over men. That's just sick. What's this gender equality stuff. And when is dinner going to get on the table now?

Title	Workplace gender equality
Author	krautchanner
Upvotes	1570
Comments	304
Date	September 22, 2014 12:40 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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