Does Agreeableness Actually Matter?

Something-bothersome · 2024-04-22T00:33:10+00:00

You understand that she is probably just a performer right? It’s a business.

I have no idea if she is “agreeable” or not, but I bet she can tell you how much her subscriber base and income increased when she argued and maintained that being agreeable is suitable behaviour for women.

Cougarette99 · 2024-04-22T00:27:15+00:00

I happened to think about this the other day. My armchair analysis of pearl: she wants a high value man and she doesn’t know how to get it. Her subconscious strategy is by showing extreme deference to male perspectives, as though that will make men like her despite her not being that attractive. But she might not understand that she is deferential to perspectives usually held by low value men rather than high value men. Pearl making a big show out of these extreme red pill beliefs is going to come across as an embarrassment to a high value man. Her views draw much negative attention, they are taboo and would likely make a high value man get negative attention himself from his broader social circle and professional network.

As for why she is so desperate for a high value man, probably her dad is one? I know her dad is very wealthy and she grew up in a 10 bedroom mansion. Pearl is tall and athletic, so maybe she gets it from her dad. Is he very tall and athletic and a self made multi millionaire entrepreneur? That’s a lot to live up to. Pearl is a homely girl and has a very low chance of attracting a man who could give her a lifestyle that could compare to what she grew up with. So her social media persona is her cope and her desperate tactic to draw some high value man to commit to her.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-04-22T00:34:13+00:00

Is agreeable the new euphemism for submissive?

Regardless I wouldn’t call someone who makes a living being intentionally provocative online “agreeable.”

TSquaredRecovers · 2024-04-22T01:01:52+00:00

How is Pearl considered agreeable? She says absolutely vile things on a regular basis and spends all of her time arguing. That's the antithesis of agreeable.

Currentlycurious1 · 2024-04-22T00:18:04+00:00

Red pill is in poor shape if Pearl is the poster-girl for redpill. She has had horrible performances on big shows, her Twitter is a mess of horrible takes, and she treats her staff poorly. She comes across as a grifter to anyone with a scent for it.

Pearl's inability to find a man surely should be surprising to no one, she is not nearly pretty enough to shake off all those red flags.

BatemaninAccounting · 2024-04-22T01:01:43+00:00

It has been theorized, with some evidence posted from former lovers, that she is a closeted lesbian. So it may be quite a while before she ever really has a 'man' to call her own.

kndyone · 2024-04-22T00:43:39+00:00

If being agreeable is so valuable then why are there books like why Why Men Love Bitches. The reality is the picture isn't that clear and there is a level of attraction that happens for both sexes for people who stand their ground. That said there is a limit and some people dont seem to know when they are standing their ground and its going to end up with more or when they are doing it and going to end up with less. Likewise being agreeable has the same balance issues. If you are too agreeable you are going to get run all over and your partner will feel that you are not a good partner because you wont fight for the family.

The whole concept of being reasonable and balanced is what seems to be lost on most internet users these days. Its not black and white, its not one or the other its the proper balance and picking and choosing your battles.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-04-22T00:31:15+00:00

What matters 1st is being physically attractive. Everything else is secondary. Men want the physically attractive 7+ woman to be agreeable.

I remember reading on instagram, “there’s a reason why all the pick me women are still single”. Someone even said simp men are more likely to be picked than a pick me. It was a very interesting comment section.

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-04-22T00:30:05+00:00

Nobody likes a fucking simp. People never want what they can get and only want what they can't get. Some chick thinking if she's a pickme bitch some quality guy will snatch her up. BS. Quality guys are going for girls with high self esteem, ball busters and vixens who know what they want.

YveisGrey · 2024-04-22T00:58:18+00:00

Because she’s a grifter. She talks the talk but she is as picky and has as high standards as the next “modern woman”.

If she wanted a man she could find one. She said she’s okay dating an average man. Okay girl then where is he? Because no way she can’t find an average man willing to date her. She is just full of it. She’s holding out for a rich tall man like with a 6 pack like the rest of them. The thing is those men wouldn’t want her it’s bad press, she’s socially awkward, she talks like an NPC, and she just isn’t that attractive at the end of the day. Like any man of her caliber in terms of visibility and earnings can do way better.

YveisGrey · 2024-04-22T01:08:30+00:00

Looks matter more than being agreeable which is why the RP/manosphere is total BS. At the end of the day attractive women will find men no matter how they behave.

With that being said Pearl isn’t the most unattractive woman. I don’t think most would consider her “hot” but she’s okay looking. I think she’s single because she won’t date her “looksmatch”. She has the same issue many single “modern women” have. She won’t settle until she absolutely has to and even then we’ll see. She’s a high earner, she is “well known” she can’t just date an average guy. She is definitely holding out for Mr 6ft 6pack 6 figures (probably 7 if we’re being real). And that man is not gonna want to be associated with her. She’s kinda weird and she’s just not that attractive to make up for it.

Kim8mi · 2024-04-22T00:35:19+00:00

Pearl isn't actually a "desirable girl" to the RP sphere, men like to have her talk to have a women agreeing with them.

Konoha_Shinobee · 2024-04-22T01:09:38+00:00

Same reason any woman is single.

She's not interested in the men that want her.

Her making money off Redpill talking points isn't gonna change her behavior, and she's not good looking enough for the men she wants. Yes, men primarily select their partner based on physical appearance.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-04-22T01:55:56+00:00

Pearl is everything she claims to hate - she’s an outspoken, independent woman who’s just about to hit 30 and she’s not a virgin.

Pearl is likely still single because she’ll have to give up her whole shtick and put her money where her “trad” mouth is if she’s in a relationship.

I doubt she’s as agreeable as she’d like us all to believe.

Safinated · 2024-04-22T00:39:35+00:00

That’s what men say they want. But there’s no incentive for women to provide it

ilike18yoblackpussy · 2024-04-22T01:00:56+00:00

Men seem to prefer agreeable women, in general. For example, there are men who fly halfway around the world because they say women overseas are more agreeable than Western women.

I haven't heard of men flying halfway around the world because they heard that women in whichever country are much more abrasive and obnoxious than the women in their home country.

wtknight · 2024-04-22T02:28:41+00:00

Even with all those positive traits Pearl is still single. Why is that?

I don't watch Pearl, but I'm guessing that she probably stays single because she stands to make more money by staying single and seeming "available" to men. I remember supcaitlin from Twitch saying that this is the reason why she stayed single, saying "If I had a boyfriend, would you still watch me?"

stormiu · 2024-04-22T02:42:03+00:00

JustPearlyThings is a ragebait farmer doing the exact same thing people like Belle Delphine and Andrew Tate are/were doing.

You making this kind of Shit-on post is exactly what she wants. None of what she says means anything and she knows it, it’s just for show go get you to click and spread her face and name around. I very highly doubt she’s even single I got money on the fact that she’s got some cuck pulling strings behind the scenes.

Just fyi.

GrammarJudger · 2024-04-22T03:04:14+00:00

Pearl isn't agreeable in the slightest! Are you guys doing the, listen to what they say, instead of what they do thing? Beause it seems like that's what you're all doing.

Pearl's still correct; she's just not taking her own medicine - because money.

GGMcThroway · 2024-04-22T00:36:12+00:00

Agreeableness is nice, but people don't like doormats.

illusoryfindings · 2024-04-22T01:00:24+00:00

She's unfortunately just not attractive, which is number 1 for men. You could end the discussion there without needing to dig deeper, but if you still wanted to...

The nature of her work invites a lot of chaos, controversy, and drama into her life - which will become part of a man's life too if he dates her. She's a busy woman who runs a successful business, so a man might be concerned about how much time and care she'd have for a relationship. And online ragebait is the modern reality TV, which is trashy as fuck.

So a man, if he were to date Pearl, wouldn't be getting a beautiful woman, wouldn't be getting a peaceful woman who makes his life easier, and wouldn't be getting a woman who adds to his status in a positive way. He'd be getting the opposite of all of these major considerations most guys think about when it comes to a serious relationship.

I can't imagine Pearl herself would be interested in dating the men who DM her on instagram either. So she remains single because the type of man she wants, doesn't want her.

FunkGetsStrongerPt1 · 2024-04-22T01:24:40+00:00

I just wanna say, this has nothing to do with her opinions or anything, but I find Pearl extremely physically attractive.

I find it baffling when people criticise the way she looks because to me she is stunning.

Southern_Fall983 · 2024-04-22T02:10:24+00:00

All a woman has to do is be nice to the bottom 80% and she can secure a relationship regardless of looks. It is literally as simple as that

PMmeareasontolive · 2024-04-22T03:00:36+00:00

Are you trying to say "no man will have her" as if this were some irony on the part of the universe? ' cause I'm pretty sure plenty of guys would date her, at least give her a chance. Probably plenty of guys here would. I would. She looks fine. That voice though. I haven't seen her in forever and I don't want to now or Youtube will keep spoon feeding me her videos for days and I don't need that.

Flintblood · 2024-04-22T03:23:38+00:00

I ended up preferring an easy to get along with and go with the flow “agreeable” 5 over a 6 (7 body) who was definitely low in agreeability and would often times be the wet blanket in a group. Over the long haul, men over 25 or so would much rather be with an agreeable plain Jane who bakes for him and always has good vibes to bring than a malcontent who may be more toned and attractive but is always picky and complaining.

Bro_with_passport · 2024-04-22T03:25:53+00:00

I don’t really like pearl, and this is only my opinion. But an agreeable, low conflict personality is a huge priority to me on par with things like religious values and wanting kids. I’d honestly put looks to second tier priority (to a large degree).

januaryphilosopher · 2024-04-22T05:23:24+00:00

I mean, I don't know because I don't know her and neither do you but that is the opposite of an agreeable and submissive woman. Her whole career is built around being antagonistic.

flipsidetroll · 2024-04-22T10:50:12+00:00

Because she looks like and is built like a man. I’m tall. But I have tiny shoulders, feet and hands. Her head and shoulders are massive. And she’s plain. So it’s a plain, masculine chick getting ignored.

And, although no redpill man will admit this, but others have, her extreme attacks on women are distasteful. So she’s not agreeable, She’s extreme. She doesn’t guide women, she just insults them. And she equates all women with radical feminists. Everything is an attack on women. So it’s a plain, masculine woman who is extreme. And it’s obvious that she isn’t liked. She’s also a hypocrite. Personally I think she has a few people posting as her. But that’s when contradictions show. And that makes her shady. And the men can see it.

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baiser_vole · 2024-04-22T01:17:04+00:00

Your league is pretty much determined by your superficial traits, then the non-superficial traits usually determine who you get to date. Among "mid"s who are considered to have nothing special going for them, so it could potentially give one more advantage in that league.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-04-22T01:28:44+00:00

She is either lying as part of her grift or single by choice because she has delusional standards. An average woman like her has thousands of simps to choose from.

Men like submissive women at first because they stroke their ego, but if she isn't able to stand up for herself eventually the guy will lose respect or get bored, unless he is an even bigger doormat. Women also need a masculine frame in relationships on top of their feminine one to hold men's interest and ensure they are respected. That said you can be assertive without being a mega bitch.

Personally though I don't mind submissive women because I don't need someone to be assertive in order for me to respect them. I respect everybody's boundaries and adjust my behaviour for them regardless of how strong they are. I would likely treat doormats even better because I feel like they need protection, they activate the White Knight response in me.

Virtual_Piece · 2024-04-22T01:35:44+00:00

Heard pearl and rolled my eyes

Mental_Leek_2806 · 2024-04-22T01:58:34+00:00

Men love bitches

An opinionated bitch capable of rational compromise is probably best

GlamSunCrybabyMoon · 2024-04-22T02:18:42+00:00

Pearl is not pretty enough to talk the way she does. If she were, you’d see men saying “we need more women like her 😍”. However she is essentially Meg Griffin, so no one has a reason to pretend to like her.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-04-22T02:19:06+00:00

ultimately the only thing that actually matters is how attractive a woman is?

If you're 13 years old boy who never touched a women then yes. You'll get used to her look faster than you can imagine. After that you have to deal with actually important things like personality. I see red pillers as 13 years old boys who never grew up btw.

MistyMaisel · 2024-04-22T02:24:35+00:00

I don't think Pearl is ugly. She's just not feminine agreeable and I think it's pretty obvious. She's also so clearly a grifter. I don't think any man could be that stupid.

I also have a ponderous theory that most men no matter how much they kick and scream about wanting submissive, feminine, agreeable women...secretly only want that if they genuinely believe the woman is formidable and doesn't actually agree with them, but is allowing their retardation to play out for the moment. They read this as loving and maternal because it basically is. Mama doesn't think her kids aren't retarded and wrong, she's just willing to let them fall down and fuck up before she corrects things.

Either way, it has done wonders for my relationships with men to go, "do you want to hear what I think for real" or to bite my tongue altogether and just nod and wait for the fireworks or best of all to predict their outcomes, wait to be right, and then not say I told you so verbally, just nod and smile while they relay the torment they've undergone from not listening to me. Overtime, I've found a lot more listening to me occurs than when I'd argue with them.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2024-04-22T02:56:11+00:00

does a woman being agreeable and submissive matter more than her being pretty

No, but other things are more important than being pretty.

Specifically, I worry about the term 'agreeableness' - it's too close to what I think of as a pushover and CERTAINLY would not want a submissive partner. I much prefer the concept of 'cooperative', which to me means a partner that isn't afraid to share their own perspective but is willing to compromise, pick their battles, and negotiate in good faith. So cooperativeness is more important to me than being pretty as long as a woman is around average looking or better*. In fact, for me, a lot of things are more important as long as a woman is about average looking or better - morals, values, goals, intellect, sense of humor, calmness, kindness, fitness, etc.

*fwiw - I consider Pearl around average looking and her quickness is endearing. There have just been too many hot takes to the point I know she and I would not be aligned in terms of morals and values. I've dated women FAR better looking than her (e.g., print and runway models) but as long as I don't find a partner unattractive, there are far more important things to me and I'm sure I'll still be sexually attracted to them in the long term.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-04-22T03:16:00+00:00

I think Pearl is a grifter who probably doesn’t believe half of what comes out her mouth, and perhaps a closeted lesbian. But even if she were straight and being genuine, as an average looking woman, her behavior wouldn’t get her a guy she would want. Even if a lot of men like her for hating on women, it still makes her ugly. A masculine-acting woman who spends all her energy hating on women isn’t attractive, even if men find her entertaining. They’re far more likely to go for a physically attractive woman who stands up for herself and challenges them.

thedarkracer · 2024-04-22T03:58:59+00:00

I like some of the points she makes but she is also detaches from reality like most red pillers. She says women shouldn't vote and there are women in this world who are more smart than 10 of Pearl put together.

On your question, it doesn't matter. If you are submissive and just say yes, you are a slave not a member of the family.

Pathosgrim · 2024-04-22T04:26:36+00:00

Judging by Pearl's ex,I'd say she is "agreeable". Don't call me racist I'm black btw. Pearl isn't a bad grifter at all. Fuck who knows if she believes her own words. The message itself is good enough. Seeing her bash Christpill and trads is great entertainment. Those two sub sects of RP are big grifts. Very akin to the spiderman meme.

She isn't conventionally attractive but I'm certain she has men lined up. Shame on other women trying to judge Pearl. If they had her influence and wealthy parents they'd be mental basketcases wanting the 1% 🤣

LotBuilder · 2024-04-22T05:08:27+00:00

Nobody in their right mind would want to date or marry an influencer or podcaster.

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-04-22T05:46:02+00:00

Being agreeable and cooperative is definitely a good thing. More important than looks. Looks aren't important as long as she's not ugly. The bar is pretty much on the floor there.

I think pearl is a grifter more than anything. She says what she says because it gets her payed.

Handsome_Goose · 2024-04-22T06:08:05+00:00

It matters if you want to be more than pump and dump.

A professional grifter is not a good example.

kochIndustriesRussia · 2024-04-22T06:34:29+00:00

So, let’s discuss: does a woman being agreeable and submissive matter more than her being pretty?

Not more than imho. But as much as, at least. My gf is model knockout beautiful....she's also submissive/agreeable. If she was just beautiful but bossy/assertive....smash snd pass. If she was just agreeable/submissive but a 4/10....also smash and pass ngl 😆.

I wouldn't keep a woman if she didn't have both in roughly equal amounts.

regularsocialmachine · 2024-04-22T07:07:26+00:00

She reminds me a lot of Siobhan Roy on Opposite Day and maybe there is a liberal version of Tom Wombsbaggins behind the scenes. Or a little of Tucker Carlson where I do believe there is some genuine pathos behind the characters they are playing on TV and they believe some part of it, and have this weird lonely rich kid outsider status that makes some things about their animosity towards the world real, but everything they package for the audience is scripted to appeal to the people who will buy in 1000% to blame it on whatever they can. She is either playing the character of someone liberal/moderate who bought into redpill because she couldn’t find a man that way, or she genuinely couldn’t find a man because she hates herself and her family that much and blames it on redpill political talking points for real.

Either way she carved out a niche being a perpetual pick me acting like she couldn’t get picked because she played college sports instead of being a handmaiden. Even if she has a husband I think they are doing well playing this game and it’s lucrative to play a part as someone who “crossed over,” and if she really is all alone now she meets anyone she will still play the part as that is more or less her job now. I’m not sure you could craft her into actually pretending to bake sourdough and birth a bunch of unvaccinated children in a field like she wants other people to do and would do if this theoretical husband ever materialized. He can’t because she wouldn’t be on whatever podcast you are listening to if she believed anything she says. Being agreeable as a public persona doesn’t matter if you agree to a lot of things loudly on camera on behalf of everyone else then you are much less agreeing to the things you told everyone else to do.

obviousredflag · 2024-04-22T07:25:17+00:00

What is the point of discussion which is more important for determining if the angle of the discussion is why she is single? Her attractivenes level is not keeping her from finding a man who would be interested in her. Neither does her agreeableness/submissiveness. you can be 3/10 in both and still be in a relationship.

Can a woman get male validation and a partner with anything other than looks?

She will get validation for her looks by equally unattractive men.

I don't watch her content but i am sure the topic of why she is single must have been asked. What was her answer?

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-04-22T08:46:08+00:00

Have you seen her in 1080p? Pearl is rapidly approaching the wall, which is visible even with makeup on, and can't afford to be "taken" while she's running this business.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-04-22T12:30:43+00:00

Of course attractiveness is the most important, I don't think any man ever said it wasn't

Flintblood · 2024-04-22T12:43:51+00:00

Leaving this here for the actual research based definition of “agreeableness”. This definition is what I suspect the original RP writers/bloggers were working from.

“Agreeableness refers to how people tend to treat relationships with others. Unlike extraversion which consists of the pursuit of relationships, agreeableness focuses on people’s orientation and interactions with others (Ackerman, 2017).”

Those high in agreeableness (and presumably low in neuroticism) will demonstrate a high level of trust, straightforward behavior, altruism, compliance in social interactions, modesty, sympathy and empathy. Low agreeableness is marked with distrust and antagonistic and demanding behavior.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/big-five-personality.html#Agreeableness

DumbWordsmith · 2024-04-22T13:01:36+00:00

Obviously, she's doing it to make money.

However, Pearl is neither agreeable nor submissive. She's a tall athlete (6'0") with an alpha personality (combative/zero-f*cks-given) who comes from a wealthy background (and gravitated toward entrepreneurship). Due to hypergamy, her options were very limited from the start.

As far as I know, she doesn't claim that she's immune to the faults that she points out in other women. And she most likely has a boyfriend (and probably rejects a lot of simps).

There are plenty of men who'd find her physically attractive.

BlzzdSuxDix · 2024-04-22T13:03:52+00:00

agreeableness

Is a Big 5 personality trait and goes FAR beyond simply “well she says a few things some guys may like”

This is a misunderstanding of what it means to be agreeable vs what it means to have a personal philosophy

Also content creators with obsessed with them bases cannot date or marry without torpedoing their sub counts

marmotjacket · 2024-04-22T14:53:12+00:00

You assume she wants a relationship

I’m single also and the reason is that I expect more out of women than most can provide (sane, above average intellect, nice, not obese, not ugly, wants sex at least once a week)

marmotjacket · 2024-04-22T14:56:33+00:00

Looked her up

If she had a pro do her hair makeup and clothes

Most average men would consider her a smoke show

We just rarely see women do the plain Jane thing and be on YouTube

It could very well be a clever ruse

HappyCat79 · 2024-04-22T16:25:09+00:00

She could be prettier if she put some effort into her appearance. She doesn’t even try to look attractive!!! She could at least get clothes that look good on her, do something with her hair so it isn’t so limp, lifeless, stringy, and I’m sorry but she could also put some makeup on. It doesn’t have to be crazy contouring or anything like that, but some light makeup would go a long way on her.

gothiccbitch · 2024-04-22T17:47:03+00:00

i’ve spent my entire life not being “agreeable” and found that i attract men who like feistiness and slight attitude as long as i know when to concede and submit and i continue to remain attractive enough to get away with it.

i think she believes her unwavering grift is attractive to a certain subset of men. but while they might agree with her, they do not want to date her. because she is argumentative and DISagreeable to the extreme, lacking of vibrant personality, not very feminine in looks or demeanor, and if they’re being honest, they don’t actually want to date/fuck an unattractive, female Andrew Tate who parrots all their beliefs. there’s a reason why they invite the OF feminists girls to debate and not her to agree with, they would rather change the mind of an attractive woman or get off on arguing with her than have an unattractive, bland woman who agrees with everything they say.

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-04-22T01:23:10+00:00

One of the main questions has been why Pearl, the poster-girl for red pill men talking points and dating woes, is still single.

For the same reason every single woman is single: She chooses to be.

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-04-22T01:25:32+00:00

She's single because she's functionally a man. She holds those views because of a brain and personality more masculine than average, and you can see it even in her body. She's a 4.

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