Why did this die so quickly?

Social status - economic status and political status ALL HAVE AN EFFECT on the likelihood one will be convicted of a crime. (Not rape- & not this crime, I’m talking about ANY PERSON & ANY CRIME)

I didn’t say how many men get away with it !!! Nor how many women do!!

I literally NEVER SAID ANYTHING EVEN KIND OF RELATED TO YOUR POINTS. WHAT in Christ are you talking about!? I made zero claims regarding the total number of men or women or people who get convicted for rape- I only said that rich people comparatively are better off than poor people. Super simple. Irrelevant to literally everything you said.

Again,

I was ONLY referring to people who have high SES money thus better lawyers having a better chance of acquittal

Regardless of gender

In terms of scientific information

It’s well established -in criminal trials where people who can afford lawyers, the defendant is less likely to be convicted compared to defendants who can’t afford lawyers (and are thus stuck with over worked and burnt out public defenders that work a job that, in our society, almost inherently means that they will be uninterested in getting the best possible outcome for you, they rather are concerned with achieving only an average outcome!)

Those who can hire lawyers are likely to have higher “socioeconomic status” or SES.

I must ask what in the fuck you’re arguing about

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Ah, moving the goalposts. Classic bad-faith argumentation. Thank you for signalling that I don't have to put anywhere near as much effort into this as you just did.

I said rich men probably get away with rape more than poor men??

This is false. A lie. It's not true.

You said:

Rich men get away with rape more often than poor men, ditto for rich women getting away with shit

Please point out the "probably" there. If you can't find it, what that means is that you fundamentally changed the nature of your claim post-hoc in order to mask the fact that you couldn't support the original claim. That's textbook moving the goalposts.

It's only one word but it makes a difference -- and the fact that you thought to add it means you consciously decided to not use a direct quote, presumably because you knew you couldn't defend the direct quote.

You made a statement of fact. 'Probably' is an opinion. You said that rich people DO get away with it more. I asked how you could possibly know that...and you changed your claim to 'probably.'

I'll ask again because it's still relevant: how do you even know they probably get away with it more? Do you have any reason other than gut feeling to back this up?

Oh, and let's avoid using more shitty tactics in your reply, yeah?

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Not to sound too #metoo but according to their numbers pretty much everyone gets sexually assaulted and it’s one of the lower reported crimes. I would assume “I got robbed by a prostitute” is also fairly underreported as well... Cosby got away with it for so long because “he’s famous, it was probably only me, no one will believe me.” One victim broke that and that was the spirit of #metoo. I can hardly imagine a guy not reporting because Cardi B is a moderately popular artist. He’s not reporting because he got robbed by someone he intended to pay for sex. No amount of support (unless the courts are awarding damages with huge interest rates) is gonna get these guys to come forward. They won’t be on TIME’s cover, they won’t be on GMA. They would be characterized as scum who deserved it, the exact thing #metoo is saying happens to sorority girls and sex workers that get assaulted.

TLDR; The court of public opinion sucks and both sides are very hypocritical.

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A victim did come forward...

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https://www.moneycrashers.com/legal-myths-criminal-law-arrested/

The idea of “pressing charges” is perhaps the single most misunderstood concept when it comes to criminal law. The concept seems simple: An average citizen or average person can choose – or refuse – to have someone charged with a crime. While it is true that prosecutors may be less likely to press charges if a witness is unwilling to cooperate with an investigation, this in no way means that average people get to determine when prosecutors do or do not file charges. The determination of whether someone gets charged with a crime is always up to a prosecutor. Prosecutors have discretion in the kinds of charges they file, when they file those charges, and who they want to charge with a crime – but the final decision is always theirs. Average citizens have almost no control over a prosecutor’s decision to charge someone with a crime. Furthermore, citizens typically cannot file criminal charges on their own, nor can they stop prosecutors from filing criminal charges.

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A person going missing never to return is evidence all by itself.

Robbing someone and murdering them are different things

If you confess to low level felony from years ago with no identifying details and no witnesses come forward theres no evidence to do anything with. It all hinges on your own video confession, and you can just say "I made it up for street cred", poof, only evidence gone.

Even if cardi b had a disease where she can never tell lie you couldnt do shit because you still dont have any victims. You cant just grab a drug dealer off the street and arrest/charge him for drug dealing, even though he obviously did. The justice system punishes people for specific instances with specific dates and times.

Short of her alleged victims coming forward there isnt dick the police can do about it. You can say PP all day about the people who defend her, and youre probably right, but the fact that there are no charges against st her isnt evidence of some anti-male word and saying so shows you either have no idea how the crim justice system works, are an incel, or both

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if she admits to it she should be arrested it’s as simple as that

No it isn't. It literally isn't, at all

I just explained that the criminal justice system needs a specific crime, committed on a specific date, at a specific time, against a specific victim to lay charges. You cant just say "I know you did this to .. Someone! At some point! Somewhere!"

if she admits to it as a joke or for attention she still deserves the full punishment

I killed JFK, I was the guy on the grassy knoll

/s

Whoa damn better arrest me and throw me in supermax for 50 years ! That's how it works apparently!

Actually, wait, no that's a bad example. Because that's actually chargeable, because there is actually a named victim, specific crime, and specific place/date/time

Your ignorance about the law is mesmerizing lmfao. Learn your rights before you preach about what law enforcement should be doing

Just admit you want the government to throw thots in jail because they wont look your way lol

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She won’t be either. She’s a minority, rich and famous. Plus statue of limitations, isn’t that how the rappers get away with the shit they say in their songs?

I know it’s statute. My phone auto corrected it. Chill!

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He's got a bussy.

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If it happened. We've got proof that with Cosby it did. But there is currently no proof that'll stand up in court that Carli B did.

the guy that "came forward" was a self admitted hoaxster who immediately said it was made up when people started asking and that he stole the story from another person, who also says they made it up in response to hearing her claim. Meanwhile carli B will say while questioned is that she was bragging for image reasons as an entertainment figure. Which might actually be the case, since the specific music scene she is in, is documented to be filled with entertainers making up stuff like this.

I don't know if she did it, or not. I'm definitely not a fan, and wouldn't at all be surprised if she robbed and drugged victims (Getting clients black out drunk is also a way to do so, just like not roofies but alcohol is also the most common used substance to drug victims by rapists.) and am more then happy to condemn her even just joking about this, and would definitely promote her being jailed if she wasn't joking, but the reason this case never took off, is because it's literally weaker then any and all other me-too type cases we've come across.

And unless things change there is nothing that can be done here.

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If she did it. Even if you ignore the 60+ victims victim accounts, Cosby himself when asked about his cases in a court gave more direct actuatable proof and incriminating evidence about him drugging women, then she gave in that interview. We've only have her untrustworthy words in this regard in a setting where bragging about crimes you didn't commit is common place. Cosby alluded to drugging women against their knowledge in one of his cases (but claimed it wasn't for rape)

While I myself wouldn't be surprised if she did it, currently Cosby's crime is not only more sinister, it's also almost unmeasurably more certain.

So I'm actually conflicted a bit about even comparing her directly to Cosby because of that huge difference, even though Cardi B is skeeving me out for even joking at best about that possibility, and very possibly having done some real bad crimes. Her being, (like so many other with serious doubts about their legal actions regarding other people's health or autonomy) treated like regular famous people certainly sits wrong with me.

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Here is the statue of limitations of any one curious. https://imgur.com/NEfr77P.jpg

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No, there are no men accusing Cardi B. There was a single man who posted a story on social media but immediately laughed off the idea when contacted, said it was a hoax he lifted from another person. And then that other person also went on the record as the story being made up.

Meanwhile about 60+ victims of Cosby gave direct actuatable evidence in the form of sworn statements, and even Cosby himself supported by statement in official investigations the idea that he drugged women, but denied that it was in order to have sex with them (aka rape them).

The idea that these two things are equivalent, is like saying burning a candle and burning down a neighborhood is equivalent. One side had a level of legal proof that beyond a reasonable doubt established he did what he was accused off. The other actually has no admittable proof of any kind what so ever, let alone enough to establish guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt".

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Reddit be full of misogynist incels, men rape women all the time and get way with it, cops are now beginning to take these accusations more seriously due to the public taking them more seriously not excusing this behavior but the “penis pass” is clearly quiteeeee a bit more privledged, its like women get away with speeding tickets and banging their younger students.. and men have gotten away with some weird ass bpys will be boys and rapey energy for wayyyy to long fucking bill cosby is incomparable to this shit, and also proves my point, everyone in hollywood knew he was a rapist but yet they all turned a blind eye because HE is americas bill cosby took fucking 40 years for justice to be served, cardi drugged doods and robbed them which is obviously not cool or should be tolerated, but cosby is a cerial rapist who got away with it for decades sooo lets fucking chill celz

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I completely agree with you. As it currently stands, in states where it is illegal, I think it is relatively safe to assume that the John's and the pro's are generally shady characters. And if we look at Carbi B now, who seems skeevy even as a millionaire, I guarantee she seemed even worse back in the day (complete assumptions she may be and may have always been an angel). These guys were not being smart at all and they know it or they would have came forward.

This is very different than the Cosby scenerio. Cosby, somehow, got women to come to his room where he drugged and raped them. For Cardi, guys paid her to come to their room, where she then drugged and robbed them. They invited a criminal (prostitution is illegal) to their room and got scammed. Different than a girl going to a celebrity's room for a drink and getting raped.

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Someone did come forward though...

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What do you mean write music? Anything she does can’t even qualify as music.

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"Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown’s cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with.

A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against the passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.

Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle.

Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I’m going to beat the sh– out of you when we get home! You wait and see!'

The detective said “Robyn F.” then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer.

Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I’m on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.' After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I’m really going to kill you!'

Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.

Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.

Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.

Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand.

Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.

Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.’s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.

She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown’s body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.

Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.’s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.

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Yeah.

after 2009 until 2017 (the Rihanna assault) is truly depressing:

He starred in the movie "Takers" in 2010 He performed on Saturday Night Live in 2011 and 2015 Performed at the MTV Video Music Awards in 2011 Performed at the BET Hip Hop Awards in 2011 Performed at the American Music Awards in 2011 Appeared on Tosh.o in 2011 He made an appearance at the Grammys in 2012 Appeared at the Billboard Awards in 2012 Had a role in the movie "Think Like a Man" in 2012 Appeared at the BET Awards in 2012 - 2015 Appeared at the MTV Video Music Awards in 2012 and 2014 He was nominated for a Grammy in 2013 He was nominated in 2013 and performed at the Billboard Awards in 2013 and 2015 He had a role in the movie "Battle of the Year" in 2013 Appeared at the Grammys in 2014 and 2015 Appeared at the Soul Train Awards in 2014 Performed on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon in 2014 Performed on American Idol in 2015 Appeared on Punk'd in 2015 Performed on Jimmy Kimmel twice in 2015 Performed on Jimmy Fallon twice in 2015 Performed at the iHeartRadio Awards in 2016 Produced that bullshit documentary for Netflix in 2017 He had a role on an episode of Black-ish in 2017, in which he also performed

On top of all of that, his music has appeared in dozens of movies, TV shows and video games since 2009.

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