If there is so few women who are fit for LTR, a tiny % of women are swamped with offers from HVM. Who are these women?

_Oh_Be_Nice_ · 2021-12-11T02:18:36+00:00

So, who are these women that are swamped with LT offers from HVM?

In no order of importance, save the last point, which is the most important (to me):

reasonably able to adapt
reasonable goals in life
relatively easy to please
possesses a curious mind
financially independent
athletic
doesn't treat people expendably
a sense of humor
an actual attraction to her partner
self-aware
between the ages of 25-45 (for my personal age bracket)
consistently and genuinely holds all of these attributes throughout her life (save the age one, obviously)

The attributes listed above are what I would consider a high quality woman. Whether they are getting offers all of the time is none of my business. But the person that exhibits all of these traits consistently is a rare gem of a human being. The trick is, they have to actually like me too.

I got lucky and found my unicorn in 2016, who I married this past August. Look for that gem, but be prepared to settle, or check out (MGTOW/WGTOW). Or live in delusion.

tropicsGold · 2021-12-11T04:43:57+00:00

In my experience it seemed like most of the HVF’s found a similar HVM in college and they got married after graduation or shortly after, in grad school or first job. So my mid 20’s they are all gone. I got married quite early at about 22 and some people thought I was crazy starting so young, then literally a year or two later everyone was married, and the guys who were still single were kind of left wondering where everyone went.

OutOfOranges · 2021-12-11T02:19:39+00:00

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idrinkapplejuice42 · 2021-12-11T04:15:28+00:00

Most men are bad judges of character. They chase hot women and maybe secondarily, friendly women. Most men aren't arent capable of judging what is gigh value because they themselves are low value. Real recognize real, you know? So I honestly doubt that "high value" women get any more attention than most women. I imagine they generally get less cause they arent attention whore shaking their ass in the club and posting lewds on ig. Like another commenter said these women are generally married or in relationships. The ones that are single are likely introverts with a small social circle.

AdmiralRando · 2021-12-11T14:09:40+00:00

I find it interesting that by most of these lists, an HV woman will be ruined by a relationship with the list-maker. Time only goes in one direction, so a woman in a long term relationship will “age out”. And dating you will be N + 1.

Gentleman, if dating you will make a woman less valuable, why in the world should she date you?

OutOfOranges · 2021-12-11T00:20:48+00:00

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sine120 · 2021-12-11T00:35:07+00:00

The short story is that these women are already married or in relationships with the actual HV guys, not the self proclaimed ones. I've never met a HV woman who'd tolerate a guy who has a history of boning thots or doing PUA stuff.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2021-12-11T00:32:18+00:00

I don't think someone is actually a high value LTR partner if they claim that nobody that is worth being in an LTR with exists.

As for what a high value LTR partner looks like, that's variable. My own personal definition is..... someone who is well-read and educated, emotionally grounded, supportive of their friends, intelligent, driven. There's other stuff but that's the crux of it. People like that, both men and women, often pair off early though.

LotBuilder · 2021-12-11T01:20:57+00:00

I don’t want to say you need to be born into that club but it really helps. They are women that are the total package that come from families that are the total package.

Bandit174 · 2021-12-11T02:16:57+00:00

I disagree with the premise. I think HVM are more rare than HVW. This is because men's definition of what makes a woman HV is less strict and has more variation from guy to guy than women's standards for what makes a guy HV.

dbz19 · 2021-12-11T05:44:27+00:00

To be fair, pretty much all women I crush on irl are taken. And it's difficult for me to crush on a woman, like I don't crush on every attractive woman I see. I have to know her and get to know her qualities as a woman. And then it's like "oh she has a boyfriend". So yeah sometimes I feel the good ones are taken. Usually by older guys too.

TheDogtorIsIn · 2021-12-11T08:40:02+00:00

Here’s my list based on the women I have pursued who I would consider HVW and have a plethora of HVM lined up. I would not say I’m a HVM but I have a lot of superficial qualities that some might put on that list. One of the ones most often left out is humility. But if I had to give my top ten…(and I’ll agree the good ones are already taken, or not interested in committing to something less than the total package).

Genuinely happy, lives with gratitude.
Allows you to be yourself (and attracted to you in your comfortable confident state, and vice versa).
Emotionally available (this one is tricky because I usually am most attracted to ones that aren’t…at least to me in a relationship sense)
Strong sense of loyalty and morality.
Energy and attraction matches mine.
Independent but understands what being a partner means and eager to share what brings them joy in life with others and myself.
Same sense of humor.
Adaptability, growth, and resilience.
Sexual chemistry
Loves animals.

Finally, has an X factor. Can’t explain what that is, you just know it when you see it. Probably - combination of #1 and #7

Rare-Impress · 2021-12-11T15:23:00+00:00

No one is high value when they are young. When people get married early they learn to live with each other to the best they can and they grow up together. I think this makes them high value that many others desire to be. Once you go through few relationships and get broken, you lose faith in it. Giving your 100% becomes a bit harder as self preservation kicks in. Well you have to protect your heart as breaking relationships hurt.

Educational-Cut4177 · 2021-12-11T17:27:28+00:00

There is literally 0 HVM on this subreddit, most are incels, red pillers or mgtows. Idk which one is worse.

TheLoneMushroom · 2021-12-11T00:17:56+00:00

There is no such thing as a HVM who bones thots.

jayval90 · 2021-12-11T01:06:59+00:00

These women get married and then are off the market (a concept that is foreign to some women aka home wreckers). A high LTR value woman by definition won't stay single for very long. A low LTR value woman by definition will be single a long time.

It's not that hard to figure out.

RPslimjim · 2021-12-11T02:18:41+00:00

The amount of true HVM are more slim than there are women suitable for a LTR. So essentially you have it backwards, more women to less men. However many HVM are married already. Lawyers, doctors, bankers, etc.

But if you want a HVM you need to make sure you have the qualities that they want and have access to their social circles. If you don’t interact with them, then you’ll never have the chance to date them.

Also, I’d say 30 is a hard cut off for many men who want children of their own. Generally after 30, there are more risks to childbirth.

Also, many of the RP men here aren’t HVM nor are they truly RP. I’d say many are black pill leaning tbh.

BrownEyedGringa · 2021-12-11T01:57:23+00:00

I fit in this group.

I had likes from multiple HVM online and got hit on by multiple HVM in my med school class (i.e. fellow med students). I'm pretty picky though and am a secret misandrist, so I don't like to date much.

By HVM, I mean good job (engineer or above), decent height (5'10'' or above), and attractive/fit.

I started getting hit on MORE after 25. Older guys get more confident approaching. I also had to grow into my features a bit and become more confident and outgoing.

I think the best way to get a HVM is to be in places where there are HVM, like in their social circles or in their programs (law school, med school, business school). One of my family friends landed a guy from one of the richest families in India while at Harvard Business School.

EDIT: editing to add that I also care a lot about my appearance, wear nice/stylish clothes, and watch my weight like a hawk. I try to read and keep informed, while also engaging in active hobbies.

PirateDocBrown · 2021-12-11T01:10:35+00:00

It isn't that there are few HVW. But they dont stay single long, else HV long.

Many take themselves out of the market young, by settling/taking a chance on a guy early, when the guy is not yet HVM.

Many others play themselves, and shed value. Usually by becoming a single mom.

Some just age out. HVW are a perishable commodity.

And some get wifed up, and usually quickly.

_HEDONISM_BOT · 2021-12-11T06:45:29+00:00

It would be very interesting if every single guy reading this comment took his sister’s, his girlfriend’s, his female cousins pics and set up dating app profiles as them.

Men need to see what other options women have, with their own eyes. Reading about it on Reddit via my comment won’t help.

They need to see it

Yes it would be creepy, but it would humble them first.

goneaway2thewind · 2021-12-11T02:11:43+00:00

The attractive ones who know where the upper class guys get weird.

Lateralanouncer · 2021-12-11T06:56:39+00:00

Ask your father.

asdf333aza · 2021-12-11T11:56:30+00:00

Who are these women?

The young, feminine, fit and cooperative types.

E-2-butene · 2021-12-11T00:40:56+00:00

Well since most men are astonishingly blue pill, I’d say a lot of HVM are just wifing up what many men here would call LVW out of naivety. Stuff like “the past is the past” is super common for normie guys to internalize these days, so hot thots can work it.

These women probably fall into a few categories. One is probably just the hottest ones. Look at the kind of women dating professional athletes. Dumb, but pretty damn hot, so these dumb HVM wife them up.

Another is women wifing up high performing professionals. In my experience, these women are usually pretty attractive and professionals themselves. They pick careers or majors that put them in proximity to these men and marry within their new social circle.

JacobMoogberg69 · 2021-12-11T04:20:59+00:00

There are infinitely more hot and charming women out there than there are arousing men to satisfy them all. Fact of life.

razormachine · 2021-12-11T03:37:14+00:00

Decent looking, fit, good personality, no children, no baggage in the form of serious mental problems, alpha widows, misandrists, seriously indebted.

These kind of women are a rarity in 30's bracket.

I'd rather stay single then enter an LTR with a LV woman.

vanillapopsicle · 2021-12-11T00:52:40+00:00

There is a massive flaw in your logic. Many top tier men don’t want to settle down, not for a while. The majority of women they meet are not relationship material, but even if they meet one that is, they don’t really even want one.

You gotta understand, many modern women and top tier men are actually the same: drowning in so much sexual abundance that they don’t really want just one. They only reluctantly abandon it due to circumstances, are, family, etc.. The “HV women” that you speak of may try to get with the top guy, but even if he recognizes that she is quality, he generally cannot stop dating multiple women.

I assume you’re talking about RP men in forums, who are usually lower value. They may still recognize many modern women are not relationship material, but they don’t have a chance anyways. But it doesn’t make them wrong, it just means the “HV woman” they would want is busy aiming for the top tier men.

captainquestionasker · 2021-12-11T00:28:20+00:00

HVW are: - hot - have no tatts - have no debt - have less than 5 bodies - have warm, welcoming smiles - have life in their eyes - have long hair - have no piercings - have no STDs - not C U Next Tuesdays

The above woman is basically a unicorn, which is why HVM bang thots.

Zerofication · 2021-12-11T04:05:35+00:00

A HV woman is a women who's 1. young (ideally younger than 25), 2. chaste (ideally virgin or less than 3 body count), 3. feminine (ideally the natural kind of femininity), 4. above average looking (ideally stays in shape and knows how to dress/use cosmetics), 5. has domestic skills (cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, etc).

Statistically speaking, HV women compromise approx 10~20% of all women worldwide, the range is due to differences across countries; in most Western countries it could be as low as 5%, in some conservative 3rd world countries however it could be as high as 20%. Now the range 10~20% includes both available and unavailable HV women, which is why a lot of men feel that HV women barely exist IRL and they're somewhat right. HV women stay available for relationships for a very short time window and once paired, they rarely get out of their relationships if ever.

ogsimpology · 2021-12-11T06:48:55+00:00

Your high value girl usually wouldn't go for the typical, RP vision of a HVM.

Women who are fit for LTR's don't care about fame, excessive amounts of money, being cocky, or super fit. Or if they do care, it's definitely not their first priority.

The reason for this, is because women who are best suited for LTR'S want HV partners. Not HVM.

Loyalty, effection, being caring, kind hearted, generous, a good father, helpful, etc. Those are the priorities. Not his six pack or his pockets.

So these "HVM" that go around saying they can't wife a chick is because they themselves don't go for the "LTR WORTHY" type...

poppy_blu · 2021-12-11T09:52:39+00:00

Hi. Ask me anything.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-12-11T02:58:12+00:00

Look it's really simple.

If a woman is at or about your superficial attractiveness level, you will need to leverage large amounts of masculinity performance and wealth and emotional commitments to seal that deal.

Guys really should all get to have a few shots at Stacey or whatever to see what it's like.

Your competition for these chicks will involve some seriously dope and often time celebrity dudes. (Not lying).

MMA fighters, athletes, actors, highly respected experts in technical fields.

If you think you're hot shit, they'll be able to let you know if so and in what respect.

So ya. Non moron decent feminine 9 women = that's their world.

When I say 9 I mean all the women I managed to get with at that level make good income off their looks alone.

They're rare like 1 in 1 or 200.

Fit-Photograph1646 · 2021-12-11T05:12:37+00:00

I like this question. I have no effin idea.

That's where I think the term HV gets tossed around too loosely between hood culture (who largely influences the media and puts the feeling of happiness above common duty) and conservatives, religious immigrants, tradcon family units, Asain tradcon etc.

The vast majority of men can agree on how a HVM is defined simply based on his success with girls... and for some reason most women agree on this too (which again proves that women are not capable of causing a paradigm shift on their own they simply become one with their environment. They cannot cause a paradigm shift in society because to do so would mean taking in the role of the romantic pursuer, provider, protector, etc which no woman wants to do)

A HVW is simply not defined by her success with men or how many LTR offers she's getting because she does not influence the environment, men do. And what men simply want is a girl under 25 that's personable and does some minimal exercise.

Otherwise her environment (created by men) will determine her value unfortunately. In places like Miami, LA, NYC the standard is a slim thick kardashian-esque paramour. In more rural areas it would likely be a girl who is genuinely fit, intelligent, and has good family values, and is very personable, sorority type.

BadWrath · 2021-12-11T05:23:48+00:00

Good women leave the market very young. Understand what I’m saying though…I’m not saying women who marry young are good women, I’m saying the good women tend to get married young.

Women are inundated with male advances; which means that a woman can never truly have a lack of options. Even when you hear a woman says she lacks options, she’s really saying she believes she deserves better than what she qualifies for. What she has is either a. Unrealistic standards or b. Problems that run men off.

Typically, with all of these male advances and a biology screaming at them to pop out a child, the good ones leave the market fast. Men want them and they want men, so they’re typically dating their husband in high school or college and the two get married shortly after graduation.

Now for men it’s different. First off, in dating most men (95%) are applicants, and most women are interviewers. Women accept and reject, men typically just apply to as many as possible and hope to get accepted. And seeing as the interviewers have terribly inefficacious methods for determining what applicants are good and which ones are bad, the fact that a guy is rejected doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a bad guy, most of the time it means the exact opposite. Think about it, a good girl-next-door-type is the ideal wife. We live in a culture though that increasingly despises the good, boy next door type. That guy, in the dating landscape, takes so many L’s that I’d honestly tell him life would easier and less painful as a vol/incel, nore and more men are actually choosing volcel as the sheer shit you have to deal with from women for not being a top 5% man makes dating and women not worth the effort and suffering. And I’m not talking about a pushover, square type of guy either. I’m talking about a guy who works out, 6ft, all-American, average - above-average looks, makes okay money…THAT GUY, is a loser in his twenties according to modern women.

That guy becomes a catch ONLY after, and not a moment sooner, the women who rejected him in his twenties go through the trauma of having a kid by the guy with DUI’s, sleeve and neck tats, battery and assault charges, drinking problems, and an inventory of women to choose from. Once they’ve exhausted their emotions trying to both insult and pickmeisha that rolling-stone-of-a-guy into marrying them, they start “raising their standards” and looking for that o-so-hated but loved for his convenience, good guy; though, it’s typically only for money and a male figure for her child; she’s not in the least bit turned-on by or in love with this guy. What typically happens after some time is, if the bad boy baby daddy gets jealous (which she will actively try to make him, using the new guy to do so) he’ll just start acting like he’s changed and she’ll immediately fuck up the good guy’s life to try and rekindle things with the baby daddy, at which point once he’s reclaimed his territory and is sure that the good guy is gone, he’ll go back to his old ways. OR, if baby daddy doesn’t resurface, she’ll stay comfortably but miserably and unappreciatively married to that good guy long enough for her kids to leave the nest and she’ll cheat on him with a guy that reminds her of the baby daddy who got away, shortly after or nearing that time when her kids age-out of the house, because she wants to “find herself”. She’ll eventually divorce the good guy and take him for all he’s worth, and he’ll end up bitter in an apartment or dead like this guy, for trying to see his kids at mom’s new biker bad-boy degenerate boyfriend’s house.

Point being, it’s not uncommon for good guys to be single for life. As a matter of fact, I’d say relationship status doesn’t really reflect how good a man is like it does women. The only thing telling of how a man is might be body count combined with relationship. High body count guys who aren’t in relationships, young or old, tend to be bad relationship material. But women? Trust and believe, there’s no such thing as a good, single woman over 30. None! Just like there’s no such thing as good apples left on the shelf near the ass-end of harvesting. The good apples that are men though get left because women are under the impression that the candy bars upfront are better than fresh produce. But yeah…men will find a woman at the bottom of the satan’s basement hiding under the foundation, let alone a good one. If a woman is single, really past age 26, she’s got issues and is likely forever-discontent with any man, typically because she’s had too many. Variety ruins women, it just does. Ask yourself if all the old single bitter chicks are virgins or former sluts…there’s one right answer to that question. Not saying women should be virgins or shouldn’t be sluts, but for women there’s a glaring correlation between happiness and chastity and misery and promiscuity…it’s a continuum-type thing.

But yeah, there’s essentially how the market is stratified.

PM_Happy_Puppy_Pics · 2021-12-11T07:00:19+00:00

who are these women that are swamped with LT offers from HVM? I wanna join their club.

Beautiful, submissive, hardworking women.

In a more technical way, it would be better to describe them as exceptionally attractive, highly compassionate, and overachieving.

I know that it won't confuse most people, but it exactly the same as what women what from men who are in the top 10 to 1%. Highly attractive, dominant, and hardworking/capable/competent.

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-12-11T06:38:33+00:00

It is impossible to say who those omen are because each individual man has his own standards of what a High Value Woman is to him.

So all I can say is what a vauable woman would be only to me and other men may either agree or disagree.

Can women keep their membership past the age of 25?

Yes provided that she hasn't had any kids yet and isn't on any bullshit. Her value to me, relative to her age, is entirely contingent on my own age. I am in my 30's thus women at my age or lower would be acceptable if I still believed in relationships - but since I don't the point is moot. Because I am MGTOW it means no woman in existence is High Value to me. A woman cannot, and will never been, "good enough" for me - not because I myself am somehow too good for a woman, but because I do not posses the ability to form relationships with women. Therefore relationships are just not possible.

You never ever saw me. I'll determine myself if I fit the membership criteria you are about to lay out.

Without ever seeing you or indeed knowing about your existence at all, then by default you would be automatically disqualified as an option. Men cannot pursue nor evaluate that which we have no knowledge of it's existence. That is why the ancients never talked about blacks holes or about Pluto and never discussed DNA - they just had no idea that such things even existed.

Now to the meat of the matter:

High Value Men are most attracted to women who emulate his own best qualities and in whom he can feel a sense of solidarity with her own weaknesses and vulnerabilities. A woman who is well rounded, smart, stable, intelligent, and endearing but who also shows cracks in her perfection make her relatable to men and men feel emboldened to approach such women because it shows that there is a real person behind the aura.

Also, Men are extraordinarily curious creatures. The women we are most attracted to are the women who are worth exploring. At least for me, I am often most attracted to women who are unique individuals, women who are as far removed from NPCs as possible. Women who think for themselves and have their own will are most attractive to me. I couldn't care less for a drooling little sex doll salivating at my feet, not that I would disparage such a girl but that would be more like having a sex-pet who is just a warm body for me to have sex with and satisfy all my inferior instincts. A woman that stands on her own feet, shows emotional resilience, demonstrates her own intelligence and though process and feels confident and comfortable in her own femininity is just mega attractive especially if she is also physically attractive at least in the most basic way possible. Lookswise she can be very plain, because it is usually the person that as a man I would be most fiercely attracted to.

If you have ever wondered why so many High Value Men seem to be most attracted to Plain Janes and even marry them, that is why. High Value Men have a corresponding sense of scrutiny for the criteria which they deem most valuable to them. High Value Men prefer quality over flash, a runway model will simply not do. The woman he is most attracted to has to feel to him like a counterpart to his own personality, he wants a neat little person that he can explore and share with. And I say little person both to mean women are physically smaller than men and that she feels like a microcosm of his own universe, or as if she comes from the same dimension as him. Think of the term "Soul Mates." HVM can and often are very idealistic but they have the pragmatism to seek real world examples of the women they are attracted to. That is why valuable women for HVM are so rare. They are chasing after unicorns and they have the tenacity and intelligence to adequately seek them out within the nebulous forests of the world.

For women there is always that risk and the change that high value men will have a higher calling or higher priorities in life. Think of Grime's latest song for example. She speaks of loving a man in the true sense of the word where she has to let him go if he needs to pursue a higher calling (alluding to Elon Musk here). A man is a player of games; a game is understood to be a tournament where men compete for success and conquest in all his endeavors. In a man's eyes this is a woman willing to sacrifice herself and that - let me tell you - is the stuff that unicorns are made of! Which is why there is so much debate on whether or not they even exist.

A woman who is self-sacrificing and long-suffering for the love of her man? That is so deep and too valuable to be real. From a man's perspective it looks like a woman is just as willing to do for him what he is willing to do for her, and men are so used to receiving such extremely poor dividends for their investments in women that our incredulity is justified.

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NockerJoe · 2021-12-11T04:46:22+00:00

You're taking assumptions from multiple very different ideological camps. That seems more like the FDS idea of how it works than anything I've ever heard an actual man here say. If something has high value that implies theres some sort of scarcity thats giving it value You can't have something thats both highly valued and common enough a decent portion of women have it in great abundance.

The problem is, this is exactly what a lot of women from that ideological camp believe. They say dick is abundant and low value, but also that there's a high value version, but that high value version is also abundant so they don't need to do much to actually attract it or secure it.

As for an actual guess for the kind of woman swamped with real offers from quality guys we're probably talking about something like a female programmer or engineer who works in a largely male environment thats reasonably high income, in a region where being at least somewhat fit is the norm, because you can thus select from a pool of rich fit guys who she is engaging with on reasonably equal terms.

Cheap-Pound7001 · 2021-12-11T05:35:18+00:00

Women I am unworthy of that I can never have.

Can I fucking die now?

captainquestionasker · 2021-12-11T05:38:14+00:00

They are the women on Raya. Hot, young, depraved and willing to do anything to get a taste of fame.

GoldenTeacha · 2021-12-11T06:21:17+00:00

You’re getting a lot of redditors anecdotes here. Nothing wrong with them, but you may have a select demographic that replies to these. Dan Huberman just did a podcast with Dr. Buss called “How humans select romantic partners in short and long term relationships” I highly recommend it. A lot of this thread isn’t too far off, but it gets extreme with views sometimes. I tend to trust people dedicating their careers to the complex nature of psychology and who collect large amounts of data answering these fundamental questions you have.

One thing I think should be of note, is that women tend to select higher ages of men (about 3-4 years on average) and the gap widens as both parties age. There is a point where these so called older HVM, on average, don’t necessarily go with women much younger than them because of an assumed cultural gap. Of course there are exceptions.

Jakes1967 · 2021-12-11T07:24:50+00:00

Who are these women?

I read a thread on a sub-Reddit about an "open relationship" that went horribly wrong. IIRC the guy meets a Korean woman, but what stayed with me is his words: "My lover makes me feel like a man".

I'm surprised daily by just how emasculated western men are, by just how much power a demure women yields in the West.

People wonder why I heavily advocate for western men to only marry non-western women, that feeling is why.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-12-11T07:59:32+00:00

About 10% of the female population in the modern day west are LTR material and worthy of commitment.

AreOut · 2021-12-11T08:26:45+00:00

those are women who invest themselves in a working relationship, not those who invest in satisfying their retarded ego

EstablishmentKooky50 · 2021-12-11T08:56:49+00:00

There's is in fact a small percentage of women who are fit for LTR initially.

These women are the feminine, fit, friendly, caring, cooperative ones who won't start an argument just because they are bored, won't bitch and moan about how hard their life is 24/7, can trust, respect and follow a man who is worthy of those, won't cause power struggle within their relationship ie.: won't make a competition out of everything, can admit if they are wrong, able to listen to reason... But above all, not preoccupied with feminism.

Flashy_Glove6208 · 2021-12-11T13:47:25+00:00

According to the female dilusion calculator

https://igotstandardsbro.com/

I'm 0.68% HVM.

My LTR woman at the time when i decided to pause mgtow and give it a shot was: 1. Young, age 20 2. Had a low body count, lower single digits 3. Was feminine, family oriented and supportive 4. Was willing to give me her best youth years, be loyal, devoted and fully focused on me and our relationship

This is all I needed.

Answering your question a woman 18-25 would have a chance if she could prove the all remaining qualities.

Why not older? 25 +2 years dating, +1 year fiance, +1 year wife = 29 to conceive the first child.

HVMs in my circle marry to have children, otherwise they stay mgtow.

swaggyquack · 2021-12-11T13:48:20+00:00

I’m dating one and she gets hit on constantly. Every day. It’s just a part of life for her.

Prize-Thought-4205 · 2021-12-11T14:33:02+00:00

Low n Count 3 or less, very naturally sweet & feminine. Very beautiful looking, doesn't have masculine aura or try to be like a man. Takes care of her health & body but not narcissistic or selfish at all. Down to earth, extremely humble (even if she gets with a man that has 100s of millions she will never ask him to spend a penny on her, only cares that he provides for their children if they have them).

nicethingyoucanthave · 2021-12-11T14:39:49+00:00

Frequently I hear self proclaimed HV guys on the RP side of things justifying the fact that they bone thots with the idea that there is barely any women who are fit for LTR

Can you please link me to a couple of examples so that I can see what you're talking about in context?

Who are these women?

Here are some examples of what I think are marriage-worthy women:

Suzanne Venker - and to be clear, I don't find her especially attractive, and (if she wasn't already married) I think she's a bit old to be starting a family. I'm only using her as an example because of her values. At 25 she'd be a catch.
"Mrs. Midwest" - though I haven't watched many of her videos, she seems to have her head in the right place to make a marriage work.
Abby Shapiro - same deal as above, except that the source of her values is her religion.
It's easy to find religious women who seem like they'd make good wives.

These women have a number of characteristics that, in my opinion, make them good LTR prospects. I would just point out one very important characteristic: they have centered their life around the concept of a partnership with a man. And that's a stark contrast to a "typical" woman who does her own thing ...but also wants an LTR.

It's analogous to the difference between an ambitious man, and a man with money (or who wants money). The ambitious man lives his life in a way that is geared toward success. His goals are the reason for his actions. Compare him to a man who just says, "gee, I wish I had money" or a man who acquires money without work, like maybe an inheritance.

I think you'll agree that the ambitious man is more attractive; higher value. It's the same with women and LTRs. Being young, hot, and simply wanting an LTR is different from living your life the way these women live their lives.

Another way to think about this difference is to think about a woman who wants to get married vs. a woman who wants to be married. The former wants a party; wants "her special day." And she's likely motivated by peer pressure because her friends are married.

Can women keep their membership past the age of 25?

That's like asking if a very attractive man can be an incel. He might choose to be celibate, but given that he's attractive he is, by definition, getting offers for sex. If you are actually a high-value woman then, by definition^*, you're getting offers from men ...and if you've been turning down these offers then that suggests you don't really want a relationship ...and that means (based on the argument I made above) that you're not actually LTR material.

* a significant population disparity would change this, of course. Like after WWII in Russia where a huge percentage of men were dead. I'm sure there were marriage-worthy women who legitimately couldn't find a man. But that's not what's happening in he West in 2021.

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2021-12-11T15:26:10+00:00

I think it's more like that plenty of women start off as HVW (unlike men that have to become HV) but eventually become LVW because of bad decisions. No girl is born a hoe, a single mom, or born with a high body count. As long as she is pretty, doesn't have a bad attitude, and actually appreciates men she is good to go. They just think that can do whatever they want when they are young and by the time they snap out of it it's too late. I know plenty of girls that used to be HVW, but they messed up and are now single moms or just too used. So now HVM don't want them anymore.

I think the HVM that are busy just boning thots really just became HVM and are now trying to have the fun they missed out on before. Now the HVW that they would settle down with are repeating the cycle and don't want to settle down until after they had their fun too. For example I know get tons of pretty women giving me attention at work but most are either too old and/or are single moms. I would have jump on them if they had wanted me when they younger and before they became a single mom.

Another problem that HVM worry about don't (now that they have TRP) is that they don't want to be the beta bucks like women expect them to. It's hard to try and filter out the girls that see you as a beta bucks after you made it. Which is why I made sure to find the right girl and settle down before I made it so I could be sure that I wasn't being used as a beta bucks.

So yes the HVW are getting tons of offers but most don't capitalize on it while they still have the chance.

StarchRunner · 2021-12-11T17:21:10+00:00

If this is true, HV women are swamped with LTR offers from quality guys, as these women are so rare and desired. This is, like, arithmetics.

Nah, it's environment of surplus. Birth rate going down, collapse of society. Google mouse utopia and John Calhoun.

Would I get married this day and age? Hell to the no. The environment isn't conducive to nurture people into quality partners.

Just the way it is.

pubgmisc · 2021-12-11T18:06:25+00:00

Virgins with a cool book (traditional). Have goals like taking care of the family, always on board with her man and not advertising herself to others etc.

Dependapotamus209 · 2021-12-11T00:44:24+00:00

There are no high value women unless they are virgins waiting for marriage, when you are used up or age out you are essentially the same as all the other women value wise. You can be of value or higher then this one or that one but not high value that’s not how that works.

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