Men are NOT protectors

jpla86 · 2023-09-14T03:33:47+00:00

How about you protect yourselves and stop asking for protection from the very same people you deem predators and these god-awful dangerous people? Women no longer need men, remember?

You know those two favorite words women love using against men, 'owe' and 'entitled'? Well, you're not owed protection so stop being entitled to it.

Workaholiconew · 2023-09-14T15:17:24+00:00

Look...

Brazil has the worst men on earth.

There were 60k people kiled by men on brazil, it is the same as all of the northern hemisphere combined (except mexico, ukraine and russia)

And yet... only 0.6% of all men on brazil are criminals... not murderers, criminals in general, including thiefs, arsonists and rapists...the other 99.4%? They are protectors not predators.

We live in one of the safest and most protected times on earth... even if I see a corpse and quite a few crimes every year.... the fact is, I am mostly safe... in the worst country to live on earth as a man...

You just decrying for a small number of criminals who escape from the cracks of your nation which is no way near as bad as mine...

Please reconsider.

H20man1 · 2023-09-14T05:29:46+00:00

Yet who comes when you call 911, fights in wars, puts out wildfires, deals with hazardous materials, rescues people in natural disasters, works in the scorching sun/freezing cold restoring the power grid etc.

Men die daily policing other men who do bad things. I've never once in my life seen a woman stand up to another woman verbally or physically abusing a man or a boy. Y'all do nothing to police your own

63daddy · 2023-09-14T01:19:29+00:00

You are guilty of the apex or more specifically nadir fallacy. You are projecting the actions of a very small minority of men upon all men.

Men are seen as protectors. Congress recently refused to include women in selective service registration, clearly stating only men should be required to die protecting country. Most firefighters, police, bodyguards and other protective positions are filled by men. Men are expected to do the most dangerous jobs so women don’t have to. The college innocent bystander program is all about men protecting women. When a woman screams for help, it’s typically men who come to the rescue.

HolidayWhile · 2023-09-14T01:03:00+00:00

Good men are protectors from all the other classes you just described.

sharksville · 2023-09-14T04:54:48+00:00

Someone’s got some daddy issues it seems. Now here the thing. - Majority of false accusations are also against men, by women. When it comes to pedophilia, a female teacher has inappropriate behaviour with a student and the headlines will read “female teach had sex with student” whereas if it’s the other way around, the headlines will read “male teachers raped a female student”. - Women abandon their families as well. I’ve seen a fair share of women who openly walk away from their children and abandon them, half the time because they find an old lover. What’s even funny is that they later comes to regret and complain about how they aren’t getting treated right for their own actions. - Women do the same, and in fact do it more than men. Sometimes to themselves. I’ve seen many girls who the moment they turn into that legal age, they go from being that naive girl to behaving like prostitutes in the blink of an eye. Women also take advantage of both young men and women. Read what I said above. - Women talk about equality and wanting to be role models but it’s rare to find a woman who’s genuine about it. They cherry pick things when it comes to equality. They only want equality and become a role model when it comes to things like working in an office, but when it comes to working in the sewers or going to war to fight for their country, the talks about equality is treated like it’s taboo. Women don’t care about how men get spermjacked and raped as well. Women talk about their rights to abortion and act like they get pregnant on their own without a man and that the child doesn’t have a father, but when it comes to child support, they fully acknowledge the man as the child’s father. They act like animals and then complain they’re being treated for the way they behave as well.

I’m summary, women have been given way too much leniency for crossing the line and going way beyond the line they crossed. We need to hold women accountable for what they also really are - criminals, manipulative beings, dead best moms who openly walk out of their kids lives, sexual predators as well, abusers as well etc. Women have a mind which they rather use to manipulate others and then try playing the sympathy act rather than using it for the good of society.

I praise those women who genuinely want to be a good role model for others. I’ve seen a few women who know how to change a flat tire and I praise them for doing it rather than expecting on a man to do it for them. Those women who still wear a bikini that covers their butts when they go to a beach where there are little children as well, I praise them, rather than those who wear a g string that doesn’t cover anything at all and then complain about someone who happens to have a glimpse. I praise those women who actually live up to their equality agenda and go pick up a hammer and a nail and do their home DIY projects.

MarBitt · 2023-09-14T04:58:55+00:00

Men make up the majority of criminals, but also the majority of police officers, firefighters, and the like. Men from other countries pose the greatest threat of military attack, but men from your country make up the majority of the soldiers. So men are both a threat and a protection, this is not mutually exclusive.

You can argue that men have to protect women and children mainly from other men. And you'd be right. But that still doesn't change the fact that they had to protect. Just because you abolish the police doesn't make the criminals go away. And just because the soldiers in your country would disappear, the soldiers in other countries posing a threat to your country would not disappear.

Guns are also both a threat and protection. You can criticize them because they cause a lot of suffering when misused, but it's hard for everyone in the US to give them up. So protection from men or guns is not something that is nice to have and makes everyone happy. It is a necessity in an imperfect and dangerous world.

Whether men use their abilities and power to harm rather than protect is debatable. It depends where you live. If in a place where there is murder and violence every day in the streets around you and nowhere to call for help, no one follows the law because no one is willing to enforce it, the soldiers and police are basically violent gangs and the right of the stronger rules, the women are slaves or afraid to leave their houses lest they be raped by the first group of men they meet, you're right. If you live in a relatively safe and functioning country, it's because men in that country protect rather than harm and rather build then destroy.

EuphoricBrightTipper · 2023-09-14T01:07:05+00:00

The most equalizing thing I've seen is the raising cases of bystander effect around women being attacked, and men doing nothing. See this example.

Finally men are not working for free and risking their liver being stabbed for a group that scorns half of them for what their womanizer ex 10 years ago did to them.

Divine_Chariot · 2023-09-14T02:39:03+00:00

Why do you think you deserve protection? Everyone likes to talk tough online, but you would either freeze or run away.

women's right to an abortion has been taken away in some states

Don't act as if you care about some hick woman in Texas.

Men have all this extra physical strength and they use it to harm rather than to protect.

Men shouldn't be doing either of those things because both require violence.

I praise the percentage of men who are actually good men who protect others.

Your praise means nothing to them.

SentientNose · 2023-09-14T03:08:19+00:00

You are 18 lmao 🤣🤣. Hop off the high horse until you get some remote experience about reality.

As a matter of fact, leave toxic dating communities like this entirely, your are ensuring you walk into any future relationships you have with a chip on your shoulder.

Salty_Macaroon · 2023-09-14T05:44:12+00:00

God I hope not. I hope men stop listening to tradcons telling men how to "be real men".

If anything I thank the left for antagonizing men the way they are so we wake up to the bullshit. They shit on men all the while demanding chivalry and compliance from us they aren't even subtle about it.

Men, live your lives however you see fit as long you don't impose on others liberties. You don't owe anyone anything, much less women, and least of all feminists.

Cactus2711 · 2023-09-14T04:00:34+00:00

Misandry. This would be removed if the genders were reversed

Over_North8884 · 2023-09-14T05:32:38+00:00

-Men have the urge to sexually corrupt young women.

This is complete BS. There is no such thing as "sexual corruption" with consensual sex between adults at or above the age of majority.

Young women are naïve and should be exploring their sexuality with someone their age

Only because you have a socially instilled aversion to age gaps.

and stage in life.

Life stages as you think are a fiction perpetuated by bitter women. The only life stages are childhood, pre-wall, post-wall, and post-menopausal.

Yet older men all have the urge to take advantage of young women sexually often in gross and coercive ways.

Your personal distaste does not define coercion. You are not the center of the universe honey.

This is the opposite of protecting young women when men of all ages want to USE young women for their OWN sexual pleasure.

It's either consensual or not. The ONLY situation men use women for sex is when the man uses a lever to get sex from an unwilling woman who "consents" out of the non-criminal consequences. For example, threatening to release embarrassing but legal photos of the woman.

aitathrowaway1972 · 2023-09-14T02:22:09+00:00

This is incredible. After years of browbeating men and painting them as all evil, women like this have the audacity to shame men for supposedly not doing enough to protect them. I hope more men continue to wake up and realize that most modern women aren't worth defending.

noafrochamplusamurai · 2023-09-14T04:47:42+00:00

Not so fast, the most likely killer of children in the home is the mother, also the most likely abuser of children is the mother. Even if the father is the home, and including families with step parents. The mother is the most likely person to victimize children.https://childprotectionresource.online/mothers-are-more-likely-to-abuse-children-than-fathers-fact/

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2023-09-14T01:35:59+00:00

If men aren't protectors stop calling on men to protect you. When you call the fire department, hospital or cops, make sure you specify they send only women. You may be waiting a while but it's worth it for your safety.

Do you best to avoid any man you might come into contact with because they're so scary. There's a lot of men out there so you may just end up staying in the house all day

Oh and make sure you don't financially support any of these predatory men other wise you're an enabler. That means you won't be able to eat most foods (since the majority of farmers are men), order things online (since most truckers and pilots are men), and in fact you shouldn't be on reddit since it's owned by a man.

Now see the thing is you won't do a single one of those things because even you don't believe what you're saying. In fact the only reason you're able to say this is because of guess who? Men who were and still are legal required to be willing to give their lives in defense of the nation.

CalligrapherSimple39 · 2023-09-14T01:25:26+00:00

the protector is more an archetype energy to uphold

in reality, in today's day and age, you will rarely find anyone protecting a stranger getting attacked in the street sadly....

FrodoCraggins · 2023-09-14T02:30:48+00:00

OP, do you live in the UK or somewhere like it where it's literally not possible in the legal system for a woman to rape a man or a child on her own? Where the system itself skews the stats by making it effectively legal for women.

Safinated · 2023-09-14T02:33:15+00:00

They’re both. They make most of the messes, and clean up most of the messes. Result: society

Seems pretty fair and balanced

stromyoloing · 2023-09-14T04:02:17+00:00

Daddy issue spotted

RelationshipSalty369 · 2023-09-14T12:37:40+00:00

Not murdering, raping or hurting in other forms really isn't anything to claim a person is "good" and we shouldn't be praising people for this. This is literally baseline decent behaviour, and men in particular seem to expect praise for this.

justified-anger · 2023-09-14T05:06:06+00:00

I can’t tell if this is a troll post to just get a reaction or not…

I mean if it’s not: is there like a black pilled version of feminism? That’s what this is.

In fact black pulled doesn’t do it justice. It’s like the absence of light. Black HOLE pulled lol.

Live-Piano-9026 · 2023-09-14T16:43:12+00:00

TLDR: "boohoo men who are perfect strangers wont help me for nothing in return and wont put themselves in harms way for me just because i have a cunt"

Puzzleheaded_Pin4857 · 2023-09-14T01:36:37+00:00

Ok. I’ll answer these in order.

You choose the environment that you and your children spend time in.

You picked the men.

Your causes are for you to support. Just like the women’s sports that don’t sell enough tickets to exist without subsidies.

Man up, ladies. If you can.

mike-sonko · 2023-09-14T02:23:51+00:00

We should hold men accountable for what they really are- criminals, abusers, dead beat dads, sexual predators etc.

All these men are held accountable when the law is involved. In fact, in today's "believeAllWomen" society a woman can make an allegation without any proof and the law will do the rest for you. Innocent until proven guilty be damned

babazuki · 2023-09-14T01:40:45+00:00

It's precisely because this is a common fear in women, that they select partners that are capable of protecting them.

Men aren't asking for praise when they say they must fill the role of protector. They're not asking for compliments to make themselves feel valuable. They're recognizing that this mindset is what they're up against when they're trying to convince women to enter relationships with them.

If women trusted all men, women would be able to pick any scrawny little out of shape short dude. It would be no big deal.

Women think men are monsters. If you want to attract women, you have to become a bigger monster for her to feel safe with you. Women don't respect softness in men because of this mindset.

Laziestguy17 · 2023-09-14T03:48:26+00:00

I would protect anybody but women

purplish_possum · 2023-09-14T12:49:57+00:00

The world today is a safer place for everyone (including women) than it's ever been. Men played a big part in the creation of the super safe world be now inhabit.

MrBrittle · 2023-09-14T02:42:19+00:00

There are all types of men, from protectors to abusers, as well as women.

The man has more potential as a protector than the woman, and apparently has more desire.

Abortion is proof that women can also be oppressors against the weakest when they can, and this makes women, in many countries, much more homicidal than men.

You can, partially, choose the type of man you let be part of your life, choose the right one, this way you increase your chances of being protected and decrease your chances of being a victim.

abaxeron · 2023-09-14T08:59:59+00:00

Men: invented and produce and deliver antibiotics, vaccines, synthetic fertilizers, pressurized water supply and electricity, and transport infrastructure, effectively and continuously liberating women from three greatest negative impacts on their quality of life - disease, hunger, and burdens of domestic labor.

Women: take addictive brain-frying drugs during late pregnancy and breastfeeding, and waste their right to vote to keep it not counting as a crime, so they can keep accusing men of being the majority of criminals, without spending a single minute to think and notice the irony.

Yeah, you're somewhat right. We are not the same.

melindabrown2023 · 2023-09-14T06:12:27+00:00

Men telling women they are protectors is the biggest racketeering scam of all time. Men tell you, you need protecting but in reality it's them you need protecting from. Because most sexual and physical violence women experience comes from their own intimate partner. It's like the mafia. They make you pay the mafia...for protection from the mafia

Teflon08191 · 2023-09-14T02:47:48+00:00

No rants.

But while we wait for the mods to do their thing...

If the defining factor between "bad men" and "good men" is whether or not they're beneficial to the interests of women who paint men as villains, then I for one encourage men to not be "good".

wtknight · 2023-09-14T02:45:59+00:00

This is the dark side of the good qualities that many men have. Many men are not protectors, but many men are.

I praise the percentage of men who are actually good men who protect others.

Most men are. The news focuses upon the ones who aren't, though.

artemisceleste · 2023-09-14T02:31:18+00:00

Not changing your view because I agree with you.

“Women in the U.S. who are pregnant or who have recently given birth are more likely to be murdered than to die from obstetric causes—and these homicides are linked to a deadly mix of intimate partner violence and firearms, according to researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

Homicide deaths among pregnant women are more prevalent than deaths from hypertensive disorders, hemorrhage, or sepsis, wrote Rebecca Lawn, postdoctoral research fellow, and Karestan Koenen, professor of psychiatric epidemiology, in an October 19 editorial in the journal BMJ.”

Source: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/

You can’t say men are protectors when the most dangerous risk to a pregnant woman is her partner. Men often escalate violence when women are pregnant because they believe she’s then trapped and isn’t at risk of leaving them.

If men were the protectors they claim to be, why do men worry about having daughters? Ask men who are fathers of daughters. They’re worried about other men because they know themselves and how they think about women.

Men say they are protectors when they are the predators. Men are the ones women need protection from.

ace52387 · 2023-09-14T01:07:42+00:00

i dont think when people make these claims theyre implying all or even most men/women are something, just that they think in a healthy family this is their role.

men also start caring about sexual assault a buttload more when they have kids. don’t want your sons raping anyone, or your daughters getting raped.

flosterjenkins · 2023-09-14T02:58:02+00:00

Sure I think women are asked to be more nurturing and to do more for a family. Sure I think the "protector" stereotype of men can be a bit overrated. But saying men are predators like this is over the top. Most people are just plain neutral

If something extreme happened to cause some lashing out, hope it gets figured out.

Warm_Gur8832 · 2023-09-14T03:55:46+00:00

Why do you seem disappointed that men are not protectors?

John_Oakman · 2023-09-14T08:48:39+00:00

So, how can inoffensive low value males male amends for those sins of real men? Becuase you know damn well that those men aren't gonna change their ways voluntarily, and social norms has been restructured so that difficult to even apply pragmatic punishments to those real men.

DreaminInChocolate · 2023-09-14T01:48:36+00:00

There are good and bad people of both genders and we should expect anything of anyone because of their genitals.

aitathrowaway1972 · 2023-09-14T02:19:17+00:00

You're not entitled to be protected. Also, I wholeheartedly support older men "sexually corrupting" younger women.

Over-Low9768 · 2023-09-14T05:18:19+00:00

The things you describe are more common for men, but this only represents a small percent of them. Gender and age have little to do with it.

Salty-Pomegranate154 · 2023-09-19T11:24:46+00:00

Yes we are. I am my daughter's protector and even when she's an adult, I will be her protector. I am not changing that mind set based on woke people warped thinking. Even if my wife says " don't protect me from that villain man "

I am still going to protect her from that villain, because one of my biggest natural drives in life is to protect my family.

It's not about money or power, it's about a loving and strong desire to keep those around my safe.

It's actually an incredibly honorable trait and if you meet a man who doesn't have this trait, then you are probably going to get abused, because the ones who don't care, are the ones who couldn't care less about your feelings.

It's a natural instinct that's exited for millions of years and if you want to just " turn it off " because you feel insecure then go ahead, but once you turn it off and have only men who don't give a fuck about women, then you are well and truly fucked.

You should be thanking the men who protect you, because those are the ones that call out the abusive men and put them in their place.

KamuiObito · 2023-09-14T03:20:27+00:00

Men are violent creatures who women should be wary of..see us men are dumb enough yo deny the real..it might not be me or the next guy but the guy it is can do alot of damage..we should all be wary.

KG13_ · 2023-09-14T05:47:31+00:00

Who hurt you

obviousredflag · 2023-09-14T08:51:21+00:00

There is this idea that men are protectors of women and children, yet this couldn't be further from the truth. Men are predators not protectors.

Tell that to the men in Ukraine, who protect the future of their women and children from invaders with their life, while the women and children are safe and cared for in Poland and Germany (among others).

Who do you think men protect women and children from? Grizzlies? No, of course other men. That is the whole point. Male evolved to be aggressive because that is needed to be competitive in the evolutionary past. They also evolved to want to and be capable of protecting "their" woman from other men, in both of their interests.

Can you really not grasp that protection is the result of aggression and both are evolutionary adaptations and mating strategies?

-Men commit the majority of sexual assaults, murders, stalking, incidences of pedophilia. the most horrible acts you can commit as a human men commit the most. This is the opposite of protecting.

Women also commit the majority of infanticides. This is the opposite of nurturing. This line of argumentation is false. You don't measure a group average at the extreme ends. You don't go and say women are not mothers, they are child murderers, because some do that. And i am not talking about abortion at all.

-Men often abandon their families. This is the opposite of protecting when men just leave their families for no good reason. Women hardly ever abandon their children but men do it alll the time.

Men literally go and DIE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

-Men have the urge to sexually corrupt young women. Young women are naïve and should be exploring their sexuality with someone their age and stage in life.

"should" is a moral and value judgment that you pulled out of your ass. Biology and evolution clearly make it advantageous to be attracted to young women and to want to have sex with them. That is what is still in men's DNA and they sometimes act on that if there are no greater inhibitions in place. Protection works against other men, not against oneself. Nobody protects young women from themselves. Egocentric motivations rule us all. You should read "the selfish gene", you seem to lack basic understanding about biology and evolution.

-Men dont care to protect women in society. It is very very rare for a man to genuinely look out for a womens interests

Men protect in their own interest. Jesus Christ, you got it all wrong.

A lot of men actively advocate against women's rights and want to return to days where women were treated like animals.

Well, you treat men like animals right now. I don't care about your interests at all if you treat me and my fellow men like this.

In summary we give men too much credit for being "good" human beings who are "natural protectors".

Nobody gives men too much credit for being good human beings. The last 10 years couldn't be more filled with hate against men and problematization of men. Men are made to be the root of all problems and evil, born in sin, never able to get rid of their toxicity. Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?! I cannot even remember when or if there was ever a time where women gave men credit for being good human beings.

MxMaster9907 · 2023-09-14T02:47:07+00:00

Men protect form other men. You have a point, it’s kind of ridiculous.

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anon1029436292 · 2023-09-14T09:47:31+00:00

This is a very nuanced topic.

Men are BOTH of these things, often men are the predators that other men are protecting from.

I’ve had my drink spiked on nights out, it was male friends who got me home safe. I’ve had a man grab me in a club and wouldn’t let go, it was male friends who confronted him. Even unintentionally I find a lot of men back off if a male friend comes to join me at the bar. The predator may always be male but the protector for me with my friends being skewed male is also often male.

And even more nuanced both of those traits can exist within the same man towards the same women- think domestic abuser but will defend that same woman against other men because she’s his or whatever.

It also often exists in the military and cops- technically in their day to day job they will be protecting women (and the general public) however extremely high rates of rape and sexual assault towards their female colleagues (for military), and obscenely high rates of domestic violence (for cops).

El-Carretero · 2023-09-14T10:14:11+00:00

You do know that brick face was a hoax right?

Tomboylov3r · 2023-09-14T10:46:20+00:00

So then you own a gun right?

KlingKlangKing · 2023-09-14T11:07:37+00:00

Then who's going to protect you?

KlingKlangKing · 2023-09-14T11:07:50+00:00

Then who's going to protect you?

Mundane-Experience50 · 2023-11-02T13:54:58+00:00

Bet, stay away from men then

Dry-Ad2372 · 2023-12-27T03:08:49+00:00

Yes they aren't protectors. A protector is a woman's natural state. It's a title they have stolen from a women. The statistics never lie.

Dry-Ad2372 · 2023-12-27T03:17:21+00:00

Women is the Devine feminine and she's the true protector. If you take a look at nature and the animal kingdom you can see that females have always protected themselves and thier babies. Women are powerful when they are in a tribe. They got separated by war and men. A protector is not a man's true nature, for them cheating, leaving their families, them finding underage girls attractive. This is not behaviour of a true protector. Laws were put in place to control human behaviour especially men.

Title	Men are NOT protectors
Author	Glowupgirl111
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Date	September 14, 2023 1:02 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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