Redpill is very difficult for vast majority of women, it's heartless and cruel

Steakman1 · 2024-03-06T17:47:49+00:00

I’ve never interpreted TRP as something that advises men to use women. There will be men who will unfortunately use it as a way to use women. But we can’t control what everyone does with the information they read.

Back when I was involved with RP spaces, I was only ever interested in LTR’s and still am. Never once was interested in casually hooking up with women. TRP itself doesn’t say that you should just casually hook up with women. There’s just men that decide that’s what they want to do based on the information. And most of these men are in their late teens to mid 20s. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of their mindsets change once they hit their 30s or even late 20s.

backstabber81 · 2024-03-06T17:11:35+00:00

I don't think 'using women' is what the red pill is about. At the end of the day, is about bettering yourself which is something I'd recommend to anyone anyway.

When it comes to dating, I find that the red pill's problem is that if you market yourself mainly with money and status, a large portion of the women you're going to attract will be primarily interested in that which brings its own set of issues.

I think the best thing you can do is to take everything with a grain of salt. Take the things you want from the red pill and try to better yourself, treat women like normal human beings and eventually, you'll find one that's a good match.

Unique-Afternoon6316 · 2024-03-06T17:39:01+00:00

This is also how I feel about it. Whenever I act contrary to my beliefs, it seems like women have a better response to it and it honestly disgusts me. In a way, I think I hate that my lived experience with women aligns with red pill philosophy. I wish I could treat women the way I actually want to treat people, but it seems like it is not what makes someone attractive.

RevealingPanda · 2024-03-06T16:47:07+00:00

Since when did red pill become about using women? You clearly need to reread some of the theory and stop projecting your hateful bias onto it.

Redpill is about valuing yourself above all others, something that everyone should do. This does not mean use and abuse others for your own benefits, it means to find your own values and honor and adapt your behavior to reflect it more. Don't betray yourself over some physical needs. Don't undervalue yourself through social dogma's.

Honestly successful or not, you have clearly not yet rid yourself of baseless preconceptions and still haven't gotten in touch with your own judgement systems.

Edit: "bulldozer through women like that" lmao then don't. No one is telling you that you should. But the opposite extreme is to let yourself be used for emotional and financial support without getting your own needs met. Find a way in the middle. Vet women, don't jump through the gate to sex just because she's holding the doors open.

OnePotatoeChip · 2024-03-07T15:07:38+00:00

I don't agree with a lot of the language and rhetoric used with Redpill, but isn't just a tool employed to circumvent rejection and the pains of dating as much as possible for dudes? At least, what it's meant to be?

Cactus2711 · 2024-03-06T20:00:40+00:00

Here we go again. I'm getting tired of reading posts from people who don't understand what the Red Pill means. It doesn't mean becoming Andrew Tate. It doesn't mean becoming hateful and an incel. It doesn't mean becoming a pick up artist who uses techniques such as 'negging'

It's literally the scene in the Matrix. Opening your eyes for the first time to how the world really works. Accepting truths about what it means to be a man, how to value yourself, command respect, understand your powers and responsibilities, hold frame, what women are truly attracted to and how to maintain that attraction

It's been hi-jacked to the point where most people immediately think it's misogynistic

ComfortableOk5003 · 2024-03-06T20:21:40+00:00

Your problem is taking RP as a prescription to treat women like garbage or use them…it’s not. Various different personalities in the RP community have different end goals wrt to women…

Literally nowhere does it say become a narcissist cold hearted asshole and treat women like shit…

You’re showing either your lack of understanding OR full on bias

Objective_Ad_6265 · 2024-03-07T09:09:21+00:00

You are not a sociopath, be happy about that.

obviousredflag · 2024-03-07T11:06:53+00:00

You are having your father's narcissistic tendencies. You just think you are better morally than the rest of us.

TheGreatBeefSupreme · 2024-03-06T17:14:00+00:00

Sometimes I do agree with red pill observations, but I can never get behind the unethical behavior that is often promoted in red pill spaces.

EulenWatcher · 2024-03-06T17:28:51+00:00

You sound like you’d benefit from therapy. You see relationships in black and white probably due to your upbringing and fucked up relationship between your parents.

It’s rather concerning that you think that equal rights stop people from having LTRs. Lots of couples successfully date long-term without a man owning his partner. Moreover, if you need this type of ownership where you can decide for both of you and the other side can’t do much about it nor can leave you I’d say you are not capable of true cooperation and having respectful trusting relationship with your partner.

Bouldershoulders12 · 2024-03-06T17:29:13+00:00

Your problem is that you have an idealized view on love instead of seeing women for what they are instead of what you wish they would be.

Red pill is a set of ideas. You can draw your own conclusions from them

campskills21 · 2024-03-06T21:41:30+00:00

Girls have a tendency to walk all over you if you let them. It’s not being mean it’s establishing boundaries and rules of respect, if they break them you have to kick them out of your life and act cruel and heartless.

Not sure what red pill is saying be a mean asshole to a sweet doting girlfriend trying to love you. Sometimes you have to stand your ground or women will inch in and run your life, and start doing whatever they want.

izoldetales · 2024-03-06T18:04:11+00:00

This is like the main character syndrome . YOU think It's a unique way of thinking that will put you above other men in terms of dating. You probably just need a cigarette and some tattoos to be the " BAD BOY" in romance stories .

First, we can't dismiss that your father's narcissism may contributed to your mother( she was more beautiful) loving him . Second, your mother is a woman so we can't just understand her emotions and especially from a kid version of you POV. Third, was he really that bad or you just liked the way you're included in " beautiful mother and evil father " archetype since It's litteraly the most used reason to develop the boy in stories? . It gived you a practical views on everything which you said helped you with dealing with women . It's like at a young age , you didn't see you father as a father but as a man and the same with your mother .

The point that red pill is outdated is wrong, the main problem is how much men advanced lookwise , we have a 6'3 rich man with a silky hair thinking he is not the prize . Now try to project this on less men and that is the problem with the red pill. It's not for everyone, it may be amazing for top level men who look like Leonardo DiCaprio. Imagine the amount of women he may fuck in a time period of a year for example. He litteraly may do a 365 with the red pill mentality.

WilliamWyattD · 2024-03-06T20:49:30+00:00

At this point, Youtube provides solid direct access to the kinds of scholars who do Evo Psych, sexuality studies, and the like. They are by no means perfect, but you can skip the TRP middle man, with all the toxicity bundled there.

You can understand the basic instincts at play, which is a solid start. But we are the only sentient creatures. Instincts only go so far. It is very hard to isolate nature from nurture. So if you understand the nature, it's on you to add in what nurture might do, and then decide what you would do.

And no, women should never be treated as disposable, interchangeable holes. That is just morally repugnant.

Economy-Shake-1448 · 2024-03-06T22:04:27+00:00

https://www.np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/EaIkafVhQr

Hot off the presses, most men don’t want good women if they are physically unattractive.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-03-06T22:50:13+00:00

You can still use concepts like frame and amused mastery to help you deal with women's toxic femininity without being abusive to them, just ignore shit like dread game and spinning plates.

You need to understand women's behavior on some level to have a healthy relationship with an equal power balance, otherwise they will just walk all over you.

Safinated · 2024-03-06T23:15:06+00:00

Red pill isn’t for women

the_calibre_cat · 2024-03-07T01:05:18+00:00

on the one hand, yes

on the other hand, exploiting emotional vulnerability which is inherent in any successful relationship just to get one's rocks off a few times before fucking off to the gas station to get some cigarettes is not exactly a single gender thing. there's tons of women online talking about the "ick" if their guy cries or whatever or how they'll just "get a new one" if their husband gets ill - and that kind of behavior is shitty across the fucking board.

like i get it

Did my mother just emasculate me?

probably a bit, join the club

Or is a man supposed to be ruthless with women as Red Pill wants him to be?

i would say "no", but then, i think a better point of manhood is... who do YOU want to be? like, i think red pill is ruthless and macho to the point of being spectacularly cringe and damn entertaining. like all of the "you see this girl sit down alone at a coffee shop - WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?" as if any more than zero out of the n number of responses are what every one of those keyboard babylonians (yes, lower case b) is gonna actually do.

social media is a curse. touch grass. i know that's an internet cliche but it's true. chill with your friends group. go to a concert. go hiking. watch the stars. read a book. TAKE your fucking laptop to the coffee shop and write the next great American novel or write the next killer app, who's gonna fucking stop you? BE a little basic dude, or whatever! Do you, you know what you like, just study that, develop a plan, and execute. THAT'S manhood - not some rigid, caged range of acceptable behavior thought up by some internet dipshits who are literally following a grand total of, like, 12 internet personalities around defining them.

You're a man. You have a soul. You like things. You dislike other things. Figure it out. About the only "rigid" construct I'd offer is... try to leave the world a bit better of a place than when you found it after your time here is up. That's the only rule.

So if I was raised wrong there's no way I can ever fix my instincts regarding women.

this is incorrect. it takes practice, but it can be done.

Belindasback · 2024-03-07T07:06:32+00:00

Honestly its the tough love your meant to learn from your father.

Kid is whining about wanting a stupid toy or something. You've got to say no. You've got to tell them no matter how much you cry and scream. The answer is no. You won't be manipulated.

You will feed him, clothe him, and maybe even buy the toy. But it will be on your terms not as a result of his whining.

Are you being domineering towards your kid in this scenario? Is this a cruel action?

This is generally red pill with women. It may look mean. But it's what raises a good kid and a good life partner.

noxiouslittleman · 2024-03-07T10:11:58+00:00

The red pill is nothing but a toolkit. How you use it is up to you. You can use it's strategies about dominance and maintaining frame to get casual sex, to get long term relationships or to keep a happy marriage. The red pill never preaches the abuse of women. It's simply about dominance and establishing your value in the eyes of women.

TheDerInDisorder · 2024-03-07T20:39:06+00:00

Your mom sounds like a piece of work, but there's nothing emasculated about trying to be a good partner.

OptimistInHell · 2024-03-08T05:12:15+00:00

What the genuine fuck

commentasaurus1989 · 2024-03-06T17:29:13+00:00

Ironically you’re displaying bigotry of low expectations.

“I know this works but I won’t use it because it’s bad for her” is the same as:

“Women don’t have the ability to make their own decisions or discern their wants/needs as well as me, a man, with a more logical brain. I must protect her from herself as I would a child”

This is arguably an even more Machiavellian and narcissistic view than the former.

I’ll leave you with a quote:

“Don’t save her;

She don’t wanna be saved”

-Philosopher poet J Cole

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-03-06T18:33:25+00:00

Its about what works with women. If women were attracted to the decent guy, then rp would say to be that.

RAZBUNARE761 · 2024-03-06T20:11:28+00:00

I been like OP, you know what this threating others how you like to be threated leads to? One'itisand then there us a big risk of getting your hearted broken. The reality on human/female nature is cold, not disney. Doesnt mean you cant still use red pill strategies to get and keep a partner and be what you qualify as a faithfull and morally good partner. But dont think it will automatically be the same in return.

Icy-Sprinkles-638 · 2024-03-06T18:08:45+00:00

heartless and cruel

So are most women.

That's kind of why redpill trains men to be that way. It's teaching them to match the heartlessness and cruelty they're up against.

Soul_vaccine · 2024-03-06T19:06:44+00:00

wtf? Women are red pill. They’re the whole reason for the red pill.

Strange_Public_1897 · 2024-03-06T20:55:01+00:00

All I know is RP mindsets is what’s making women hate the dating landscape these days and want men to be less RP when dating.

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AFuzzyMuffin · 2024-03-06T17:55:54+00:00

It is so find a healthy woman and give her health versions of love and stuff. Long as you are fit this is possible

Soul_vaccine · 2024-03-06T19:10:15+00:00

Only option is to wait for the right one. Or just play the game.

I went through a similar process. Dad sucked and I basically didn’t want to be anything like him. But I’ll tell you one thing, the man fucks.

conspicuoussgtsnuffy · 2024-03-06T21:10:13+00:00

You can be red pilled and not be a hoe. This is a common misnomer by mainly weak dudes posing as strong (as a recovering weak man)

Proudvow · 2024-03-06T22:49:03+00:00

So if I was raised wrong there's no way I can ever fix my instincts regarding women.

That's a problem a lot of men have. And then they get stuck in an argumentative stage online where they press women to admit that the red pill is true; they basically need permission from women to start acting contrary to the blue pill.

All I can say is that this is simply granting women more empathy than they actually give. You don't see women fighting others or themselves over what they do to attract men, they just do it. And if they don't care, you don't need to either.

kyle_fall · 2024-03-07T01:51:29+00:00

Red Pill is mainly about dominance. If you're dominant you will be better with women than weaker men. Why do you think that you need to be toxic and disrespectful to be dominant?

I would use influential as another word for dominant. Are you influencing your woman in the right way? Guiding her on your and her mission? If you're doing that and having strong boundaries and an understanding of frame control you won't need to resort to the toxic form of dominance to hold frame.

Stuff like inevitably losing frame to your woman if she controls your sex life; are you fit and in demand in a powerful social circle? Then the effects of preselection will still apply to you. It's called passive dread. You don't need to ever make it active if you have strong communication skills and boundaries.

spicytuna12391 · 2024-03-07T19:51:28+00:00

All pill people are stupid. You will never change my mind.

Equivalent-Poem-3461 · 2024-03-10T06:05:47+00:00

Islam has the perfect balance of how to treat women.

You should not be rude or disrespectful to your wife. It teaches you to be gentle with women and playful. Yet, you should know your place as the leader of the house and understand and use the authority you have to protect your family and guide them to what's best for them. You're neither a simp who bends over backwards for your wife, not a tyrant using her and abusing her.

Salt_Lie_1857 · 2024-06-07T02:37:14+00:00

Your mom messed you up man

oooo020201lfl · 2024-03-06T16:42:55+00:00

Suit yourself buddy. I’ve been burned badly too many times.

GreenTurtle47 · 2024-03-06T17:38:16+00:00

TRP is such a broad scope of people and communities that it really doesn’t have a unified teaching or philosophy, or life advice. For example, I’d consider a lot of the MGTOW people I listen to or used to listen to as having nothing to do with Rollo Tomassi or Neil Strauss, or the MRA’s and tradcons that are represented under this umbrella term that is TRP, manosphere, red pill adjacent, whatever the fuck you want to call it.

Half the reason this community is worth engaging in is that it isn’t a circle jerk, which is what most of the red pill adjacent communities become - to the point of throwing other men under the bus that are supposedly “on the same team” whatever that means.

But there’s still a loose framework of ideas that connect all of them, like Briffault’s law, but none of this has anything to do with being a borderline abusive partner, which is how your post frames things.

ContinuityOfCircles · 2024-03-06T20:23:18+00:00

From my experiences, the men who claimed to be red pilled were the biggest jerks…and the most ridiculous. That was what I ran into when I was dating. They called me a “high value” woman and seemed to really like how feminine I am. 🙄 It got to the point where if a guy mentioned being red pilled or the main influencers for that theory - I’d run in the opposite direction - fast. Sounds like you’re the type of guy I would’ve been interested in, as you sound like a good man. Don’t lose your humanity and you’ll find the right person for you. ❤️

John-Nada_ · 2024-03-06T20:39:55+00:00

Nice Guys and the things they post.

wheartv · 2024-03-06T17:42:48+00:00

I have some redpill beliefs but I don’t use women

In fact, I’ll turn down sex if the woman obviously wants a relationship

And my testosterone levels are fine

I guess I’m old enough that the big brain is more in charge

I’ve gone a year at a time without sex, it sucks but I don’t die or anything or go crazy

Natural-Tear-2899 · 2024-03-06T21:16:25+00:00

Regardless of what you've learned or been through, or what you feel like is "nature" for you, you are a human in control of your own mind & actions. Of course, genetics can play a part, but you have your own agency. Be true to yourself, take what helps you from red pill, just know treating women badly isn't going to get you far. Toxic relationships will only drain your energy & damage your mental health

Specific-Ratio-9095 · 2024-03-06T22:06:56+00:00

No women over 24 actually care about falling in love. They want a wedding cause they’re just proms for adults and they want someone to pay for their kids. Notice none of the traits they list for a good partner are ever related to actual personality

StupidThrowaway3783 · 2024-03-06T18:03:33+00:00

Treat ppl as they deserve

Title	Redpill is very difficult for vast majority of women, it's heartless and cruel
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Date	March 6, 2024 4:41 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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