"Ok now swap the genders"

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-04-19T20:02:16+00:00

Why do you think people so frequently reach for this method of argument?

People get mad when you point hipocrisy and will act emotional because they can't rationalize it in a way that satisfy their own need to be seen as virtuous.

If you swap the actors in the discurse by a minority and your argument end up as a racist onee you would need a level of delusion to accept the double thinking, most peoples retort to violence.

Present-Afternoon-70 · 2024-04-19T20:04:59+00:00

The substitution test is a very common simple first level analysis of an statement. It points out obvious and immediate issues when the answerer cant hold standards of behavior or beliefs. If you believe x in only some cases you need a strong overriding principle or belief to make X no longer vaild. If swapping the genders changes the outcome the person being asked is already shown to have a flaw in their beliefs. This allows the conversation to move to the next level where the person with sexist standards must justify their benefits which is exponentially more difficult.

tacticaltossaway · 2024-04-19T19:34:44+00:00

Reversing genders (or swaping races) demonstrates that the argument has no real basis upon unbiased reasoning or logic.

The inability to actually address that point (i.e saying "That's different", "not remotely the same thing" without showing how its not) would end it right there if people were rational.

caption291 · 2024-04-20T09:12:43+00:00

"Yeah, but that's different"

It is different but how?

Men and women are different, but the correct answer to "whats 1+1?" should be the same regardless of the gender of who says it right?

If I asked someone doing binary their answer would be 10 because it's a different system with different rules.

If I asked someone counting heaps...then their answer could be 1 because 1 heap+ 1 heap would just make a bigger heap.

Some differences matter and others don't so some differences justify a different answer while others don't.

So usually, when people gender-swap a statement, they are implying that the differences between genders should not be important to whatever the person is saying but the "answer" you are giving changes based on it anyways.

If a man sounds extremely entitled and selfish when he simply repeats what a woman says that you didn't consider entitled and selfish...is it because there's a relevant difference making him entitled while she wasn't?...or is it just that you have a "women are wonderful" bias that's highlighted when a man repeats the same logic and all of a sudden it doesn't sound so wonderful anymore?

It's not enough to just say "they are different" you have to provide an actual reasoning for why the differences matter.

So the reason people "reach" for this method of argument so frequently is simply that people display biases very frequently and it's a good way to call out biases.

bielsasballholder · 2024-04-19T22:01:23+00:00

Why do you think people so frequently reach for this method of argument?

Because it's an easy way of evidencing sexism and double standards.

neinhaltchad · 2024-04-20T02:32:37+00:00

The women ITT arguing that, on average, women are just as logically minded and no more emotional than men are the very same that argue that women are “just as horny” as men.

It’s a fool’s errand to try to argue with them because they’ll just constantly change the definition of “emotional” and “logical”

In short, women on PPD have one singular goal: “Prove RP points and the misogynists that espouse them wrong at all costs. Even if it means lying, gaslighting or denying obvious reality”

Another neat trick is to simply reframe the declaration to assign virtue to the subject at hand.

Like, instead of saying “women are more emotional and gossip a lot” just say “women are more emotionally attuned to the world around them than men and take an interest in the affairs of others more than men”

Watch how quickly women will chime in to agree, rather than decrying the “generalization and sexism” in that statement.

To come full circle, the fact that women’s answers depend almost exclusively on their emotional reaction to the “tone” of the statement demonstrates the entire point in and of itself; women’s actions are emotionally driven.

And it’s demonstrated beautifully in this thread.

babazuki · 2024-04-19T20:56:40+00:00

Women often say "just treat us like regular people, duh". Ok, that's what gender swap arguments are.

I think it points out that women aren't regular people because I'm sexist. They say wild shit and think it makes sense. Can't be changed.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-04-19T21:06:52+00:00

The point is to show you how truly entitled yall are, look how any women are mad about this shit. They're literally foaming at the mouth. Like this one is less obvious satire and women falling for the bait so easily.

SupportRemarkable583 · 2024-04-19T19:30:08+00:00

I think he's just making a funny satire video making fun of the loads of women who go on tiktok to bitch and whine and complain about their dating "struggles".

Windmill_flowers · 2024-04-19T20:34:42+00:00

Gender swap arguments are often but not always valid

It is case by case

asb3s7 · 2024-04-19T19:40:33+00:00

The reason people use this argument (typically men against women) is because female reasoning is generally not based on logic and men try to use logic to disprove it. Easiest way to do this is from what I’ve seen is to switch the race or gender of a woman’s argument (which will change her stance), and asking her why that stance isn’t the same regardless of the group of people she’s arguing in favor of.

You can see some examples of it on this sub.

McTitty3000 · 2024-04-19T22:34:26+00:00

It can be both, on one hand yes it is a very lazy way to argue because men and women are different and think differently in a variety of ways, but on the other hand it is also a really simple way to check the consistency of somebody else is argument

Shebalied · 2024-04-20T00:52:14+00:00

You go king! lmao.

Fucking women and men are dumb for different shit. Women gas up stupid choices, men fucking with their endless simping to get a women.

Kore624 · 2024-04-19T21:56:08+00:00

I don't get it. Is that video fake? What's wrong with breaking up with someone you just don't see a future with, even if they're "a perfect catch"?

DarayRaven · 2024-04-19T19:52:06+00:00

Why do you think people so frequently reach for this method of argument?

Engagement/clip farming

Necessary-Ask-3619 · 2024-04-20T05:37:56+00:00

It is usually aimed at people who claim to be about equality of certain trait (race, sex, religion etc). So if they truly believe in that equality and they believe the situation isn't bigoted, then they should be comfortable with the situation if the people are interchanged.

If they f eel discomfort and develop some cognitive dissonance, it either makes them realize they are going against equality at which point they will admit that it is indeed bigoted or shows that they don't really believe in equality.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-04-19T20:48:37+00:00

I think they use this argument because they want you to feel how it makes them feel, assuming everything else is equal.

Also for attention, views, clicks, comedic relief.

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EsotericMogger · 2024-04-20T08:23:40+00:00

It’s funny watching people foam at the mouth when their stupid logic is thrown right back in their face

boom-wham-slam · 2024-04-20T20:37:42+00:00

Useless idea because men and women are different and so when it comes to relationship things it's a false equivalence. Man and woman are not interchangeable equal things in terms of relationships, sex, reproduction primarily as well as secondarily some other things.

Lilrip1998 · 2024-04-19T20:15:29+00:00

Why are you dating women that are making you pay for everything?

KayRay1994 · 2024-04-19T19:41:30+00:00

This hashtag is so weird because it feels like the whole point of it is to show the ridiculousness of what’s being said, and to be fair, what’s being said is 1000% ridiculous regardless of who’s saying it - but the lack of focus on what its about at a deeper level is what gets me.

Like it could be a form of telling men to raise their standards and not settle for mentally unwell women, who more often than not are the ones that pull this shit, it could also be showing how dumb it is to use social media as a journal log or diary, which, yeah - both these causes are just. But I also think of other possible motives, such as the idea that this will continue to add to an inaccurate perception of women by hyperfocusing on the crazy loud one s online (and by never specifying anything, this will be an effect whether intended or not) and frankly, its whiny and cringy. Like I get its done as a form of parody, but when I watch these I don’t sit there thinking “wow this is funny, this is so true” - i honest to god sit and think “dude you sound whiny af, shut up. It’s cringy af when women do it, it’s cringier when you do it, even if it is ironic”

toasterchild · 2024-04-19T19:38:22+00:00

Except most of the comments aren't what you are complaining about. Its like you are upset at the few people who either didn't get the point or disagree. Oh no not everyone agreed about something, so it's just like everything else in the world.

Windmill_flowers · 2024-04-20T04:18:26+00:00

People who use this argument aren't very bright, because usually the genders being swapped already has the same exact experience. Men usually use this as a gotcha when they don't realize that women aren't getting treated any better in these situations in reality.

reddit_is_geh · 2024-04-20T01:57:48+00:00

I find it stupid because... I'm not a radical feminist and think men and women are different. So when someone is like, "Imagine if a GUY did that! OMG it would be so different!" Yeah, no shit. Men and women are different.

Windmill_flowers · 2024-04-20T05:18:55+00:00

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concretecannonball · 2024-04-20T10:45:53+00:00

Gender swapping doesn’t work because men and women are different, not opposite, and too different for just swapping genders to make situations the same.

For example, rp men are obsessed with the idea that the majority of women have easier lives because lots of men want to have sex with them and they can leverage that to succeed in life. men expect women to be happy with that attention because they’re viewing it through a lens of “wow I’d be really happy if women hit on me like men hit on women” but then rage at the idea of being hit on by a man. they get angry or threatened at the idea of being hit on by a man because they don’t desire sexual attention from them yet expect women to be grateful for the same attention.

TotalTravesty · 2024-04-19T20:56:07+00:00

The video in your post is just satire. I don’t think they were trying to say anything particularly profound or argumentative with it.

In most cases people use the argument a distraction from the topic at hand. It’s lazy and transparent and you should only respond by requesting they raise the argument from scratch elsewhere.

Title	"Ok now swap the genders"
Author	Windmill_flowers
Upvotes	52
Comments	199
Date	April 19, 2024 7:24 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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