Women have always found most men unattractive they just don't have to tolarate male sexuality anymore and it enrages men.

PurplePillDebate-ModTeam · 2024-08-05T13:53:27+00:00

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TermAggravating8043 · 2024-08-05T11:35:16+00:00

Seriously, does nobody here think people in relationships are only with each other for sex or resources?

Are you all robots? Do you not think 2 people can actually love each other and want to have regular sex and make each other happy?

sniper1905 · 2024-08-05T12:43:29+00:00

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Gravel_Roads · 2024-08-05T11:39:02+00:00

Most men aren't attractive to women...

Most women aren't attracted to most men. But most men aren't attracted to most women, either. They're willing to FUCK women that aren't attractive, but they aren't going to care if that women experiences pleasure and they certainly aren't going to marry her if they don't find her attractive. They call such women "pump and dumps". Cum rags. Only good for sex.

they just settle when they eventually want to have a family.

This is the part that makes these claims sound insane. No, women aren't enmasse marrying men they aren't attracted to. You do realize "being married" means you spend almost ALL your time together, right? Talking, cleaning, cooking, watching TV, sharing chores, sharing dreams...

People marry the person they want to spend their life with the MOST. Because they have to spend their life with that person and if you don't even like them, you aren't going to want to spend decades with them, exclusively.

velvetalocasia · 2024-08-05T11:29:58+00:00

You are under the impression men want to benefit women……I don’t think most want to.

HydrazineHawk · 2024-08-05T11:40:53+00:00

The “women find 80% of men unattractive” thing is an artifact of online dating/social media more than anything. Women don’t lust after men through visual stimulus anywhere close to the rate that men do for women. They need face to face interaction in order to determine a man’s attractiveness in a holistic sense and for most of human history that wasn’t an issue.

In absolute term’s, most people still date and pair up…your post seems to imply that there’s some “women going there own way” movement, but in reality what we’re seeing are soft harems, where an increasing number of women are sharing the same elite set of highly desirable men while the ones at the bottom aren’t getting anything—the only ones winning in this brave new world are those elite men at the top not the women…

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spletharg2 · 2024-08-05T12:42:49+00:00

Personally, I think it's a side effect of capitalism. Everything, including human relations are reduced to an exchange of commodities.

pg_throwaway · 2024-08-05T11:51:06+00:00

Straight women for the most part love male sexuality as long as it comes from a guy they like, which is as expected and normal.

Most men aren't attractive to women, they just settle when they eventually want to have a family.

Delusional and false. In most cases, women marry men they are attracted too.

I actually made a thread asking women of PPD how they ended up in their LTR and EVERY STORY started with her being attracted to her future boyfriend / husband either because how he looked or acted or a combination of both.

Why do men think they're entitled to free porn sex when they're unattractive?

Most men don't think this way. Only a tiny niche of doomer red pillers and black pillers thing they are entitled to things.

Solondthewookiee · 2024-08-05T11:47:36+00:00

You are confusing "women don't like random creeps trying to stick their dick in them" with "women tolerate men's sexuality."

When you take the time to actually treat women like people and get consent, you will discover that women are actually quite enthusiastic about male sexuality.

Most men aren't attractive to women

You are confusing "women find a small percentage of men immediately physically attractive" with "women only find the same small percentage of men physically attractive."

SaBahRub · 2024-08-05T12:04:56+00:00

Men who don’t want porn sex exist. And women didn’t tolerate it; that implies choice

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-08-05T12:20:05+00:00

they just don't have to tolarate male sexuality anymore and it enrages men.

Yep. Any man in his right mind would feel a sigh of relief at the openness and honesty which proves everything he was told was gaslighting and lies, as he always knew it was.

Slight correction:

Why do men think they're entitled to free porn sex when they're unattractive?

This is horseshit. Entitlement and expectation are alien to the average man who struggles to get anything from women. Disappointment, irritation, and depression about being sexually rejected is not entitlement. “Porn sex” is not an expectation, they’d be grateful if you just let them dry hump you while you’re both still fully clothed.

LockDownHalfGuard · 2024-08-05T11:45:12+00:00

I don't think the vast majority of men (other than incels) feel entitled to sex or a woman's body. "Yes," women need to find a man attractive in order for them to want to sleep with them, and "Yes," unfortunately a lot of men fail to look in the mirror and see they aren't all that attractive.

This reminds of how some women say "I won't settle," but fail to ask "Is it that I am refusing to settle, or the men I want, won't settle for me?"

There is too too much divisiveness in these subreddits, when both genders are just as guilty of having such poor insight and willingness to look at themselves objectively.

gntlbastard · 2024-08-05T13:02:37+00:00

Another day of the sexes at each others throat.

twel1999 · 2024-08-05T11:37:33+00:00

They think of financial control but fail to understand that now women don't need their resources

Careless_Raccoon7786 · 2024-08-05T11:55:27+00:00

You are delusional. You are assuming most women are depressed and a pessimist like yourself. Fortunately for men there are still women out there that want to be in a meaningful relationship. Women willing to give themselves to their partner and in return they get financial freedom, protection, and someone there to make them feel special and be a part of so ething exclusive. Your selfish attitude of me, me me is a huge red flag. I would never want to have children with a woman like this. Usually, women who sour like this don't do so until their 30s, and they've probably seen their share of bedroom ceilings by this point. Any respectable man making decent money that has anything to offer isn't gonna choose the sour old spinster.

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No-Rough-7390 · 2024-08-05T13:46:14+00:00

I’ve found women who complain about porn are normally worried their guy is going to wake up to the fact they have very little desire for them.

No post regarding the matter starts with “my guy and I have a ton of fun sex, but this porn thing…”. Kinda makes ya wonder why.

tiddermacss · 2024-08-05T12:03:26+00:00

but when you “settle” and these “unattractive” men expect a 50-50 relationship you throw a tantrum.. now that you can earn your own “provisions” you still don’t want to pull your own weight?

fundamentally_comfy · 2024-08-05T12:11:04+00:00

I thought this kind of incel/blackpilled thinking is not allowed

Pola_Lita · 2024-08-05T12:27:35+00:00

Women have only really tolarated male sexuality in exchange of provisions for most human history.

This is the only point I can agree with. I don't understand where your ideas about "porn sex" are based on. For much of our relatively recent history, "decent" women weren't expected or encouraged to orgasm.

I do realize that too many men see themselves as entitled to anything a woman has done sexually in previous relationships and whether she desires it or not. I'm not sure that's what you're speaking of though.

I'm not sure how you're defining "porn sex".

hellokittysarchenemy · 2024-08-05T12:38:17+00:00

Porn, movies, and social media sell a fantasy. Young gorgeous sexy women loooove socially inept ugly men. She loves video games, beer, football, and blowjobs just like him! Women are happy to participate in this fantasy because it provides them with fame and money, they don't care about the negative consequences it has on boys, girls, men, and women. When Belle Delphine wears children's clothes and talks in a baby voice, she's not thinking about her impact on the perception and treatment of young girls - the ones who will face the brunt of her actions.

For the boys and men who are influenced by this fantasy, their words and behaviors go unchecked because ya know, boys will be boys. It's locker room talk. The male species is horny 24/7 so it's normal to make derogatory remarks about women /s. When you've never been taught to respect women, you eventually start to dehumanize them, disregarding their thoughts and feelings. A pretty woman becomes a shiny object to be acted upon.

If you grew up being told that women are whores and sluts, it can be very confusing. Women who have sex with men are whores and sluts and that makes them evil and gross - but men should want to have sex with women because that makes them popular and cool. So...who are men supposed to have sex with? To justify his desire to have sex (which has now been defined as a taboo due to this contradiction) with women, he dehumanizes them as a sort of loophole to achieve high status. For men, if you don't have looks, you can at least try to have status. Not all men use this loophole, but a variety of men do.

f_lachowski · 2024-08-05T12:56:11+00:00

It's "tolerate"

playerwun111 · 2024-08-05T13:15:29+00:00

Imagine if women found out that most of them are "mid" and men have tolerated them simply for in house sex. Yes relationships are about give and take and everyone wants something in the deal.

KayRay1994 · 2024-08-05T13:28:19+00:00

“porn sex”

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-08-05T11:32:51+00:00

Welcome to the Red Pill

blarginfajiblenochib · 2024-08-05T12:04:48+00:00

🥱 another bitter blackpiller who’s mad and wants to make other people mad.

Women have only really tolarated male sexuality in exchange of provisions for most human history.

Cite some actual proof

Tywinlol2 · 2024-08-05T12:39:30+00:00

Women find attractive what ever society tells them to find attractive. Well majority do anyway. This is why being fat can be both attractive and unattractive depending on where you are. Give me Hollywood, the rest of mass media and culture and I will make short man attractive, bold men attractive and so on. Women are sheep they follow the herd.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-08-05T12:03:26+00:00

This post reads like someone asked CharGPT to write a PPD rage-bait post written in the style of a femcel.

But to avoid a ‘no contentless rhetoric’ warning I will nevertheless engage with the “debate” - you are talking out of your arse; normal people aren’t motivated by the “exchange of provisions” when looking for a potential partner; they pair up with those with whom they have chemistry, they are compatible with and, yes, that they are attracted to.

To claim that “women have always found most men unattractive” is patently absurd and if you genuinely believe this (which I don’t for a moment think you do) then you’re terminally socially isolated and have no understanding of human nature.

Common-Ferret-1435 · 2024-08-05T12:19:26+00:00

Women having relationships for something as simple as money . In fact it’s the case since recorded history began.

Women barely find men tolerable in any case. A man has to constantly jump through hoops and be a never ending binge watch show for a woman. And it’s only lubricated with money, which again, is all women really care about.

Women don’t like men. Just what men can do for them, and any man can fill that slot, because men are disposable no matter what women claim.

Men are stupid and pursue relationships with women that are just gold digging and exploiting, and because they’re thirsty and addicted they’re too dumb to see it.

Men are 100% to blame here.

Just_Another_Cog1 · 2024-08-05T12:28:32+00:00

Women have only really tolerated male sexuality in exchange for provisions for most human history. [...] Most men aren't attractive to women, [women] just settle when they eventually want to have a family.

[citation needed]

wtknight · 2024-08-05T11:53:56+00:00

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Purple_Kangaroo8549 · 2024-08-05T12:57:15+00:00

Bitch, the government is taking mens resources by proxy(and it obviously needs to end).

neverendingplush · 2024-08-05T12:10:12+00:00

Basically with I had something to.add but yeah....

ApprehensiveMusic351 · 2024-08-05T13:10:13+00:00

they just don't have to tolarate male sexuality anymore and it enrages men.

You mean they don't have to tolerate unattractive male sexuality anymore. You think a guy is hot, you will tolerate his sexuality just fine.

Alternative_Poem445 · 2024-08-05T13:36:13+00:00

men : humans are naturally hypergamous or there wouldnt be pronounced sexual dimorphisms

women : men are just enraged we dont think they are sexy

i dont think enrage is it at all “oh no, nobody finds me attractive! time to go mass murder everyone i guess.”, more so it simply breaks the social contract we were all raised on. if you’re going to exclude all of us from your communities and families we will become very disinterested in bleeding for you. if you want to play the game where everyone takes as much as they can and never turn a kind eye to anyone around them be my guest.

Jaded-Worldliness597 · 2024-08-05T12:37:58+00:00

This is you projecting your own personal sense of entitlement. That isn't really what's happening here and you should be aware of it.

Men have been divded into groups, and accepted group and an outcast group. Techincally our job as accepted males should be to protect the group. Some do this strongly, some do it moderately, and some like me feel it's a disgusting system that's just using us.

What you have done is forced an ever growing group of men who should be part of the accepted group, and instead pushed them into the oucasts. Outcast men are natural predators to you... and you should be afraid. They focus on sex and mating because that's how they feel accepted, all the other rituals and social systems we used to use in order to make them feel accepted by society even when women rejected them... those have all been destroyed and mostly by feminists.

So, this is more about your entitlement to actively support groups that wreck society and destroy lives than whatever entitelmen you percieve they have towards sex. I mean it's just ludicrous to even think the way you do because prostitutes are everywhere and fairly available, yet these guys won't use them. WHY? Oh, well maybe because it's about acceptance and not sex.

obviousredflag · 2024-08-05T12:45:12+00:00

Most men aren't attractive to women,

And why would that be a requirement to have sex with someone? You said it yourself, wanting a man to build a family with, is reason enough to have sex with him, despite not finding him attractive. Men really do not care that much if women find them attractive, as long as they want to be with them and have sex with them. Men are used to not be valued for their looks.

McPigg · 2024-08-05T12:58:42+00:00

Sounds like a take of some angry virgin sitting in his basememt only getting knowledge of women from feminist tiktoks and red pill podcasts. Like seriously how far removed from actual life can you be?

Title	Women have always found most men unattractive they just don't have to tolarate male sexuality anymore and it enrages men.
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