I want to frame a discussion using a concept this community understands well: systemic bias**.**
We all agree that systemic racism doesn't require explicitly racist laws. It can be a series of policies and cultural norms that, while neutral on the surface, create a consistently biased outcome against a group (e.g. certain groups being overrepresented in prisons).
I argue this exact same logic applies to the sexes, but with a profound asymmetry. Our society actively identifies and creates systems to mitigate biological and social disadvantages for women, yet when men face disadvantages, often rooted in the same types of systemic biases or biological realities, the response is either indifference or blame.
1. Reproductive Rights
- For Women: Society fundamentally changed its moral and legal framework to grant women the right to terminate a pregnancy, giving them ultimate authority over becoming a parent. This moral framework is unprecedented in human history.
- For Men: A man has no equivalent. He can be held financially responsible for a child for 18+ years, regardless of his consent to parenthood, with no legal opt-out. He has the responsibility without the same level of authority.
2. Education vs. Profession
- Women are significantly outperforming men in education at almost all levels. The common response is to ask, "What's wrong with men?" or say that "women are just better." It's treated as a male failing.
- When men outperform women in certain white-collar fields (especially in leadership), the narrative is never "men are just better." It's immediately attributed to systemic sexism, hostile work environments, and bias. The response is not to ask "what's wrong with women?" but to implement Affirmative Action, DEI programs, maternal leave, and quotas to ensure a "fair" outcome.
3. Provider vs Decision maker
- The widespread expectation remains that a man should be the primary financial provider in a relationship. However, if he leverages this provider role to be the primary decision maker, he is often accused of control or "financial abuse."
- Meanwhile, studies show women make the vast majority of consumer spending decisions. So, men are expected to bring in the resources but not control how they are used.
4. Equal Opportunities in Career vs Dating
- We implemented policies to give women equal opportunity to gain wealth and status.
- However, this has collided with female hypergamy. Successful women still seek even more successful men, leaving a large pool of "average" men behind. We addressed the inequality in wealth building, but call it "entitlement" to address the resulting inequality in dating.
5. Tax and Welfare Disparity
- Men pay the overwhelming majority of taxes, while women are the overwhelming recipients of social assistance.
- We have a national conversation about the "wage gap" (which ignores factors like hours worked and career choice), to the point the president references it and puts in policies based on it. Yet, we never have a conversation about policies to address the welfare gap, as it's considered unseemly to question.
This isn't just about fairness between individuals. Families are the fundamental building block of a stable society. If a growing number of men are disenfranchised, disincentivized, and left behind by these systemic imbalances, they will opt out. If people don't pair up and have kids, the societal consequence is a demographic and societal collapse, which we are seeing currently.
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