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Women wanting to marry up and for money or even asking for money is perfectly fine.

There is nothing wrong.

In fact, I think all women should. That's how you get richer smarter more beautiful children. Aim high. Women have to get pregnant for months. You don't have sperms to squander.

What's shitty is not what women want. What's shitty in US and many western countries are the law.

Why people become passport bros?

Just look at this

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/04/father-suicide-demands-child-support-agency-inquest

A father commit suicide because he is being charged $11k a month child support

or this

https://nypost.com/2019/10/23/texas-jury-rules-against-divorced-dad-trying-to-stop-7-year-old-sons-gender-transition/

A dad spend $3 million preventing son from having his dick cut off.

Or this

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheAntiMisandry/comments/13h9vvu/israel_adesanyasan_mma_fighter_exgirlfriend/

You can argue it's just or it's good and you wouldn't have any other way.

Fine.

But most men, including me think it's disgusting. To even expose one self for a 1% risk of that happening to me is unthinkable.

And in south east asia, you won't have to ever worry about those shit.

Alimony may still be big but only for guys stupid enough to get married.

Now think about it. Women like you want someone rich. But if child support, palimony and stuff is proportional to men's income, it's going to be harder for you to get someone rich right?

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You need anti paywall add on to read it for free.

I don't know a good anti paywall add on.

Just look for

Jeffrey Younger

and

Israel Adesanya

I think I verified that it's quite true.

I asked my friends in Australia.

You can't even agree before hand. You have a girlfriend, poof, the girls can leave you and get a lot of money. No prenup can get you out of that situation.

Absurd.

The woman themselves cannot agree on a reasonable deal. The woman can't agree, okay you're so rich anyway, if I leave you I got nothing. Nope.

The court decides that.

I can't find the link where a guy committed suicide because he can't pay $16k a month child support and got sent to jail for it.

In any case, many guys do not think he should pay child support proportional to his income especially if he's very rich.

And the only alternative is to go to South East Asia.

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Child support laws are not meant for the child.

I can't believe so many liberal repeat the same absurdities. I asked around. Can they make agreement that the child support money goes to a trust fund to be given to the child. The answer is no. It's always to the mother that she is free to squander for anything she want.

If it's for the child, why should it be proportional to the man's income? Why the money goes to the mother and not the child?

The child will of course be better off if the rich father pay the child straight after 18.

What happened is rich guys are forced to pay $30k a month, $200k a month. For what? The child probably doesn't even see the money.

Whoever makes the child support laws must have wanted to make having children expensive for richer guys.

Anyway, we don't have problems like this in south east asia.

A guy making $1 million dollar a year won't be forced to pay $16 k a month child support.

And I bet my ass many women would want to have his children anyway.

See.... Why people become passport bro?

We have absurd laws where guys are forced to pay $16 k a month child support and commit suicide because of it.

Doesn't happen in south east asia.

I can't find a link https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/04/father-suicide-demands-child-support-agency-inquest

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Men hate the double standard WOMEN love to embrace. And it IS a modern woman/ american mindset.

Only women have the luxury of "take me as i am", "happy wife happy life". "Accept me at my worse to be blessed at my best" and other future is female b.s 😂 And they beg men to lower their standards to mutually find "love". They shame men for not wanting fat, single moms, and below avg looking girls. When men have standards and boundaries its "men are controlling, they want a slave, maid, or dumb young woman to boss around ". 🤡

Yet women require pre- reqs to even think & see men as canidates, as a man you need to bring something to the table. Women claim they are the table and need to just exist, be pampered and paraded. Are you trying to say thats incorrect thinking? Do women NOT expect to date, marry, and fuck Superior men? Do they not gravitate UP? WOMEN expect men to Lead, provide, protect, and finance the relationship. To have ownership and responsibility. But as soon as women lose their preferential treatment its taken as discrimination and oppression. ☕

The avg man is not out her raping, murdering, and oppressing a woman 👠 But the avg woman out here is IS delusional, too high standards, entitled, and are bitchy feminist whos fave lingo is "misogyny & sexism" to describe when things dont go their way 🤔

ItsComplicated

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2023-10-22T23:01:38+00:00

Ladies why do you all have a issue with passport bros? You all claim they are trash and unwanted so why do you specifically care if men seek love/...

https://youtu.be/Yf2Dmpc6L20?si=epxOUys4eefRpP6c

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I totally understand you. I came to South Korea 10 years ago (with a British girlfriend at that time) and my reason for traveling was not related to dating. I don’t consider myself a passport bro at all. Since living here I’ve dated mostly Koreans, but some Americans etc too.

Although I’m single now, I was with my ex for 5 years and we almost got married. She’s educated, attractive, has a rich mom and even a $1m+ apartment in her name, a decent salary, trilingual, not interested in a Western passport, and yet I was worried I would be considered some predatory sexpat back home just because I had a hot Asian partner. Some annoying American girls accused me of having yellow fever but I mostly just date what’s around me. Back in the UK I dated black and white girls and if I moved back I probably would again just because of the available options. But it annoyed me how people wanted to categorize me as a predator with a fetish.

And now as I’m aging and still living in Asia it’ll probably only get worse.

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So your saying these men aren’t desirable but it sounds like your not aware of cultural differences. Just because he isn’t some fantasy in your head doesn’t mean he’s undesirable. There’s plenty of women who will find him attractive due to different places in the world having different cultures and trends and norms on what’s attractive. So this tactic that your doing to belittle these men into being lesser in order to feel like you have some sort of superiority is gross but very apparent and which is why they’re going overseas in the first place.

Also, this generalization that men have to want a western woman or else there’s probably something wrong with him is awfully convenient. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe people have preferences that can only be found or will more likely be found elsewhere? Or do you weirdly think western women are the only woman a man can want? As if preferences aren’t a thing

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Idk I've been to different countries being in the military and the women in Japan, the Philippines,Guam, the ones that like foreign men do so because we're not the norm there were different and viewed as exotic... Not all women from these countries are gold diggers either, they want a man that can provide for them i.e put food on the table and not have to worry about paying bills... Women in the west wanna live in the lap of luxury and are very much the embodiment of shallow gold diggers how many times has it been shown where guys walk up on the street to a woman and talk to her she says she's got a boyfriend so he goes alright and hops in a Lambo or Ferrari and all of a sudden the women wanna chat talk and be friendly... Women in other countries want men for their guidance protection and leadership because they are taught to support their man here in the west they are taught to exploit and get a bag

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Most women in US work and don’t expect their man to provide for the whole family, so I disagree they want traditional men. In fact the most common complaint from women is that men aren’t doing any childcare and housework and aren’t caring about their sexual satisfaction. If they wanted traditional men they would be complaining about men who did childcare, not ones who don’t, and they would want men who thought sex was a “wifely duty”. Anyway there actually are traditional women even in US who want a man to be a provider, if you can afford it you can find them. Look in southern states and churches. If you want to go out of the country to find someone who wants your money, be my guest. But don’t claim it’s not about your money and that it’s Americans that are all gold diggers.

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Most men aren't super wealthy.

So?

Normally, most men don't have a wife.

I understand that in western civilization you got this monogamy norms.

So a man no matter how poor, ugly, or dumb, have a pretty decent chance to have a wife.

But that is not natural. In marriage where government insist that people have to be monogamous or in normal dating where government insist that money can't be used as bargaining chips, then yes, people are monogamous.

But that's not a matter of preferences. That's just the law.

I prefer women that choose me because she likes what I am offering, including money. Not because society think it's what we should want.

In Sugar relationship and even in free sex, 66% women have sex with 5% of men.

So yes it's very important to discuss this.

With or without money, most men will be incel. Prostitution is actually a fun way to at least help men

Ugly women are interesting. Women can always get laid for free. But can she got someone willing to pay for it? No. Raising a child needs money.

So prohibition of selling sex and welfare benefits mainly ugly women.

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I married a woman from a Siberian region of Russia and she married me because 1.) She didn't want to have kids and wanted a husband to be a best friend to do fun stuff with who shares the same interests, whereas most Russian guys are extremely traditional and want many kids and a wife to basically serve them 2.) Knew i wouldn't beat her as domestic abuse is not illegal in Russia and she knows Americans are less likely to commit domestic abuse than Russian men 3.) I was hardworking about pleasing her and being loyal to her in a committed relationship and wanted marriage while dating her in college and made that clear.

I'm hardly rich and she wasn't solely seeking a green card as she was already studying here and had other options if they wanted them being highly educated.

Some of her friends from Russia and China have married American guys for similar reasons, as they find the more liberal views of American guys welcoming compared to some of the bs you get with some of the traditionalism there. They still value serious relationships though, and don't go as far as to worship the easy casual sex culture and not commitment culture many American woman embrace.

As an American guy, i found women from traditional areas of Russia particularly very nice as they all valued serious commitments in relationships at a college age whereas trying to seriously date for the future with American women was a waste of time by comparison for me in college. Too many American women scared off by the idea of serious commitment

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Anyway, check this out https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/464439-far-from-being-laws-to-protect-women-antipolygamy-statutes-may

It's never to protect the consenting women. It's to protect envious women that want to get paid well too for being sex objects and poor men that can't compete with richer men

But say you don't trust the link I wrote above.

Why not let the woman decide?

Abuse what?

Many women prefer the rich. They don't mind sharing. Most women obviously like money. Who doesn't? Do we ask Satya Nadela whether he wants to be paid by money or crayon for being Microsoft's CEO?

Of course they want richer smarter men that will give them richer smarter children. Now look at guys like Drake or Al Pacino. The guys are probably forced to pay $30k a month child support. Imagine if that guy says, I want to pay only $5k a month. How many women want to be knocked up by them?

Let me guess. Millions?

Abuse and mistreatments are just pretexts.

You think smart beautiful women don't know what's good for them? If there are indeed potential abuse and mistreatments they just no.

I've been a sugar daddy for long, I have never see how can anyone abuse smart beautiful women. Too many guys wanting them offering money. They're not happy with me they just go somewhere else.

If they can choose, of course they choose richer smarter men. Better genes. More money. Why fuck for free? Why threaten men with huge alimony and child support? Just got paid. Win win.

But this simple concept that adult people, including women, can make good decisions with their body is just something that Americans have a hard time understanding.

That somehow is she's picking someone rich and the rich guy can just pay then it's abusive or whatever.

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Interesting. Are most women like that?

Actually, I like to avoid women like you. Paying for sex is a great way to figure out which women are not like you.

No offense. To each his/her own I guess.

My marriage costed me a lot of money because my ex wife "loved" me and want to stay married. I ended up losing a lot of money to lawyer. I prefer to just pay her because marriage is so stupid it'll end up wasting money for lawyer for nothing anyway. But she can't understand.

Since then I am disgusted with anything resembling romantic love. I go the extra mile trying to get atheist women and sex workers. No more romance, no more religion, no more government.

Also I read about some poor women saying she doesn't choose who she falls in love with and then complain about not being able to provide for her children about how she got knocked up by a poor guy.

Somehow she blamed capitalism for her misery.

Ewwwwwwwwwwww....

Those are very disgusting thought.

But to each her own.

The problem that I see is do people really have a choice in western civilization? What about if some women just want to get paid, say $2k a month to have children?

Can she like do that? Her body her right? Because many multi millionaire would do her if she's pretty enough. Child support can be very expensive for super rich guys and paying her seems like a more fair deal.

If some women are disgusted with being paid for sex, yea, she does she. But often they're disgusted and then they want such things to be illegal.

And ugh.... They're disgusting.

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Women submit directly and indirectly on a macro scale and more traditional places. But these days daying the word submit people use it interchangeably in thought with sexism and oppression 🤡 women want sugar daddies & handy men not husbands. Its submission but with constant resistance and shit testing 😂

And because of hypergamy, sexual liberation, and feminism having such a reach....men are disconnected from women being double minded. Hell Beyonce , cardi, B, ciara all encourage women to be whatver they want, be sexual active, hot girl summer....but at the end of the day go home to their husbands and kids 💅

Women claim to want authority, responsibility, and they are better at XYZ, yet like i said their practices say otherwise. And when a man lets women make more and lead ,women still leave because he wasn't man enough 🤡 Only women are allowed to live in their hypocrisy 😂

Men are expected to sacrifice MORE for women that are less valuable from previous generations. This is what men mean by losing ability on their choices, especially when being villified on their preferences. Women these days Dont cook dont clean but let them tell you how they got that ring, wap wap wap 💅😂

The disconnect is where men want avg women, and know the opportunity cost, burden of performance, and accept it. They are willing to LOVE unconditionally

Avg women dont want avg men, and love and sex are set on conditions.

How do women want to be equal , feel interchangeable, be respected "equally" when they intentially seek superior men to be with, and vote these men in, and demand they run the global infrastructure.

Women understand hierarchy and discrimination in their everyday lives from the food they eat, the politics they vote on, the men they partner with, the clothes they wear, and work they take on, yet in an actual relationship they want "50/50". Or Men are handling 80/20 but the women needs the right to say its equal wtf 🤡

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Can they? Sure, are they ...NO. and with much resistance in many cases.

Are women expected to go out and persue men? Ask them out? Pay for dates, trips, entertainment, and lifestyle? Are women expected to ask HIS mother or father for blessing? Is she expected to propose? To pay for the wedding & HIS special day? Are women expected to LEAD a marriage? Protect , provide, and finance the relationship? Are women expected to be the bread winners and men stay at home? Or work less , make less? Do women Run the entire global infrastructure? Do you know how hierarchys work? Lol

Men with responsibility but no authority are slaves, its only reasonable that a man with power and being trust worthy can a woman naturally submit to her husband. This is the way its always been. There are leaders and followers. Its not that hard to understand. Are there 2 presidents? 2 kings? 2 principals? 2 ceos? We have ranks and roles, and without feminst non sense its very evident and obvious 🤔

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Men still have to initiate more often than not and they're generally expected to pay for dates, although there are women who approach and women who split/share/pay in turns for dates.

Outside of religious communities people do not expect a man to ask his partner's parents for permission to marry her or be "the leader", most couples have 2 working partners and in almost half of marriages men are not main/sole breadwinners. Most women are not SAHMs either.

There are still more men in politics, but by this logic most other men who are not in politics or who do not run infrastructure submit to the men who do these things, which isn't exactly how it works although we probably could say that we all submit to the state and laws. We usually just use different words for it.

There are companies with 2 and more partners or co-owners.

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I have an issue with the ones who lie about the potential issues involved and relentlessly talk it up as a really good and easy option to men who already lack the social intuition to succeed in their own culture and language. I also have an issue with the men who are unhappy with their sex lives and relentlessly talk it up as an option but haven't gone and done it themselves. Like...why not? If it's so easy and viable why aren't you there now doing it?

Basically it's a pretty niche set of...well not solutions so much as exchanges of one set of problems that can potentially be solved for another set of different problems that can potentially be solved. And as such needs to be discussed like we discuss big difficult deviations from the usual script like opening your own business or building your own house or going off-grid not like how we'd discuss getting lunch at McDonalds.

A lot of the guys that grifters and internet know it all's try to sell it to are basically shut ins who haven't even travelled alone to and hung out voluntarily in significantly different places in their own state, province or whatever and haven't got much ability to deal with change. It's really irresponsible to sell it as just "this will make your life easier" without thinking who you're damn well talking to.

That's my issue with how I see it being discussed.

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Frankly, the best odds of finding a quality woman who makes a good relationship partner in 2023 is either a passport or a time machine. Guess which one of those is more feasible?

What people seem to dance around in these conversations is that modern women have a severe narcissism and sense of delusion while they bring the least attractive qualities to the table compared to women from the past and women that you need a passport to go and meet. They are gassed up by social media and each other thinking everyone of them is a prize and they don’t NEED to bring anything to the table because they think they ARE the table! Sadly, too many men just go along with this. Some of them wake up and get their passports.

If men suddenly have options, the gig is up and women lose the uneven power dynamic they enjoy in the dating market. They can’t just admit this so they feign “concern” for these poor vulnerable foreign women who are more than capable of looking out for their own best interests and it’s just a new version of white savior complex and another example of their narcissism.

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They’re not always going for prostitutes though. They’re going for unprotected individuals that they can groom. If it’s possible to groom poor kids in the west imagine what you can do in poor towns with little to no functioning police presence and a horrible foster care system. A lot of those kids aren’t prostitutes they’re just easily exploitable because they don’t have anyone looking out for them. So they’re more at risk to being groomed into an illicit relationship with ill-intended adults whether foreign or domestic. It’s depressing.

A lot of passport bros are sexpats anyway. They call themselves passport bros but when you hear them talk it’s clear they’re just traveling for sex only. Whether it’s free or paid. That’s a sex tourist but they’re also a passport bro.

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I know they’re pedophiles, I explicitly stated so. They’re pedophiles taking advantage of lackluster legal systems abroad to victimize minors. Things they’d be more quickly caught doing in the west, they can get away with longer in the Caribbean, Latam, south East Asia, Africa etc.

I know some passport bros have genuine intentions I don’t have issues with those one. However a lot don’t. Passport bros is a large umbrella and it covers many different types of men good and bad. I’m apathetic towards the good ones and disgusted by the bad ones. Which is why I specified which kinds of pp bros I don’t like and why.

It’s like feminism. That term covers a wide range of individuals and schools of thought there’s one unifier(women’s rights) but a lot of off shoot from that central idea. PP bros are the same the unifier is greener pastures abroad. Everything else related to that varies from man to man. Some are looking for wives and girlfriends, some are looking for hookups, some prostitutes and some are looking for victims.

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Well that's not something with a clear dividing line in real life either.

A lot of those guys basically want to go to a place where it is normalised for women to regard their personal level of physical attraction to a man as less important in a relationship than financial concerns. That's the reality of it. And the men are looking for a wide range of different... timeframes...on that transactionality. It isn't as simple as man who wants to fuck at least ten bargirls on this trip vs man who wants a foreign tradwife. There's a lot of basically buying medium term relationships going on. And a lot of men leave their usual country of residence wishing to do more than one thing....fuck a bunch of bargirls then find a wife maybe. Or find a girl to keep in the home as a mistress for a few years while still fucking bar girls.

There's not a clear dividing line. There's so much overlap.

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I don't claim anyone is trash or unwanted. I have never dated up socially or financially. One thing that I have done is dated someone with a different nationality to myself, but nobody would call me a "passport sis" as I didn't do it out of some hatred for Irish people or dating in Ireland or because I thought English people would just treat me so much better. I think that if someone feels more wanted in a different country, there's a reason for that. People are not inherently different in different countries, so it's not that. One reason may be that they have misguided and often really quite racist ideas about different people in different countries and how they act and are feeling a placebo, and indeed you do commonly see them just spewing hate towards some national/ethnic groups and fetishizing others. I wouldn't like to encourage that kind of thinking. Another reason is that, looking at the countries they go to, they are likely to find people who are more desperate to pretend to like them for money or citizenship or just generally to have power over them die to their money or citizenship. I also don't think it's good to take advantage of desperate people and call that dating. And I, you know, care about whether people are engaging in practices that are harmful to themselves or others even if I'm not personally dating them.

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Passport bros why are they wrong?

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You all tend to want to date up to better your social and financial situation

Ian Sandywell, 45, was told he would have to give £520 a month in back payments for his 22-year-old son, Ben.

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Title	Passport bros why are they wrong?
Author	Gold_Supermarket1956
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Comments	347
Date	October 22, 2023 11:01 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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