What life script would be better suited for (young) men than the one we currently have?

Barely-moral · 2020-05-21T13:57:51+00:00

I don't think a life script is a good idea. I think a map is a better idea.

Don't tell them where to go. Just point out the problems/possible problems they will find on the way.

Teach them about the world BEFORE they have to face it.

Sexual marketplace included. No lies. No "it is someone else's job to tell young timmy how X works". No bullshit.

Tell young men how the SMP works. Tell them how common it is to be sexless/unloved if you are a man. Don't give them any false idea about how finding a relationship or keeping one alive is easy or expected.

Warn them about the serious posibility that being an incel is. That way they can start finding a solution before they face the SMP, or maybe they accept that as a posibility and learn to live with it. Either way is better than the current lies.

Let men choose their path without a script. Just give them a warning about the shit they will face.

lawtwenty8 · 2020-05-21T19:40:33+00:00

The big problem is with men themselves who have such high sex drives that most young men spend inordinate amounts of times chasing tail in their youth. They spend money on buying women drinks at the club, buying women dinners, constantly doing anything possible for sex. So with this immense thirst, young women know that they can act shitty because there's always some guy willing to stoop lower for a chance at her pussy.

If I had to map out a young man's life, I would encourage him to pursue power and money in his youth and not buy women shit unless she brings something to him in a quid pro quo. Power and money takes lots of time to build up, so in the days or his horny youth, I would encourage him to get escorts. If you read the lives of aristocrats and powerful men in history, they often guided their sons to prostitutes for their first sexual experiences to show that (1) sex with a beautiful woman does not have to require that much effort, (2) a lot of "young love" is not actually love, it's just lust, and (3) once he can get it out of his system, he can get on with his life and focus on doing things that create value for himself.

Then once that young man gets older and achieves his desired level of success, then he should look for relationships, ideally with a woman of similar background, where the woman either achieved success in her own life, or comes from a family that has a history of success that's willing to bestow a level of wealth down to the new couple. That way he can't get divorce raped if things don't work out, and if he chooses to have children, his children will have the family with resources to build on that success.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-05-21T19:27:45+00:00

The script that men are disposable utilities for women and society needs to be smashed.

Men need to be taught that they have INNATE VALUE - they are not the Trad Con "you are what you provide" bullshit. This is why men kill themselves - when they can't provide for others anymore they kill themselves because they feel that was their only value as a human being.

Marriage needs to die. It's broken beyond repair. Although in theory it can be fixed with divorce and family law reform, you'll never see "equality' get as far as the steps of the divorce and family law courts. Those "items' are not on the "equality buffet" menu.

Men need to be raised (by THEIR FATHERS, not feminist single mothers) to develop, express and sense their own innate human worth through education, training, experiences and doing all things male and masculine. They need to bond with their fathers, their brothers and other men. They cannot be isolated from male stewardship and live a life online (using porn as a sex education) and then go off into society and be successful and happy.

If young men are failing to launch, who's to blame for not guiding these young men to the fucking launch pad?

We owe our boys AT A MINIMUM what we do with girls now: encourage them, support them, take heed of their gender specific issues and problems, and help t hem along their way to be productive people.

Leaving boys in the dust, or just labelling them "broken dysfunctional girls" is sexist anti-male discrimination. Why is nobody concerned when boys do worse? Because when they do, girls do RELATIVELY better (by comparison) and that's all feminism gives a shit about. Making things better for females. "Discovery math" is to change math into word questions to increase girls interest and cause boys to have more difficulty. Girls math marks didn't go up, but boy's math marks dropped! SUCCESS! MORE CLOSER TO EQUALITY! (derp derp durrrr. fucking retard liberal scholars lol)

A group I attended for men juts got cancelled. Reason for funding taken away: there was a greater need for funding of WOMEN'S RESOURCES! OMFG! There are maybe 3 groups for men in this town and HUNDREDS of groups, services and shelters for women. THREE FUCKING GROUPS. Out of hundreds. Women need it all, men can go fuck off, right?

Nobody gives a fuck about men, and when we say "this will have repercussions" we're either cast as bitter losers or dangerous losers.

Society: Fuck you right back. Society is going to reap what it has sewn.

When people say "Gee, that guy went nuts and shot up that whole place." I just say "Yeah, it's actually quite amazing how relatively rare those events are, given how poorly men are treated in today's society". That usually gets blank stares or funny looks...

In Canada, more people die at the hands of their own mothers than in "mass shootings". Drowning kids in the bathtub is attributed to "lack of resources for females suffering from PPD". Fuck me. Women have 99% of resources and it's STILL never enough.

Rant. Over.

taapy234 · 2020-05-21T13:41:52+00:00

The life script that we currently have should be completely rejected if women keep trying to have unfair edge favoring them in their youth over men.

So, with the current life script we are forced to live in by this gynocentric society, then, men should be redpilled by the time they hit 20.

And then they should spend the next 20 years minimum doing what women are already doing during their ages 18-30. Be strong and independent, develop your own careers, focus more on being more sexually attractive, etc. Still, it won't be a good life for young men, but atleast they learn the lessons about the female imperative early in their life.

Because women are unwilling to give up their natural advantage, men should consider taking advantage of their long term value and put off marriage until the time they hit their early 40's.

If enough men did this collectively, it hits women where it hurts: Their uterus. Then, in the resulting chaos, we could get something bordering on something that we can call as "fair".

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-05-21T14:13:44+00:00

But the guys these young women have fun with are the same age as them. College hook ups and vacay flings are young women with young men mostly.

The idea that young men have low SMV only applies to young men who have low SMV, it doesn’t apply to all young men.

There are lots of young men having success with young women and fully enjoying their SMV and freedom.

The_FatGuy_Strangler · 2020-05-21T17:22:26+00:00

There should be no “life script” for anyone. Live your life how you see fit (as long as you’re not harming others) and you’ll be much happier. Trying to fit your life into a predetermined mold will make you miserable in the long run, unless that mold is what you really truly want in life.

Notsonewguy7 · 2020-05-21T17:57:50+00:00

All loyalty is contractual, duty is bullshit.

Basically you always have a choice you should never feel you have to do anything. If you choose to do something it is a choice which gives you as many options as responsiblities.

Maximedius · 2020-05-21T15:39:04+00:00

Forget university and learn a difficult, technical and high demand trade or skill. Use your 20s to work hard and become an expert by the time you’re 30. Put in your 10,000 hours.

Invest every spare cent you have in property and index funds. Invest every spare moment you have in learning about investing and the financial markets. Even if you find the subject boring, it’s the difference between the haves and the have nots.

Women are ignoring you. Ignore them too.

Start your own business in your 30s and build a team to reduce the time you have to be on the tools until your role is purely administrative.

Sell the business, invest the funds in property and index funds. Live off the interest.

You will be mid-late 30s by now, financially independent and a dream catch for 25-30 year olds looking for a long term partner.

Dangle commitment to these women like a greyhound trainer with a freshly slaughtered rabbit. And just like that trainer you snatch your commitment away the moment they bite.

Enjoy the sweetest of life’s pleasures: poetic justice.

EspyPsyche · 2020-05-21T18:20:04+00:00

Take human growth hormone until you reach 16-17, then switch to steroids until about 25. Don't pay attention in class, that makes you too smart and women don't like that. Beat up on other boys who are smaller than you. Play contact sports like American football. Take a few hits to the head so you get some minor brain damage if you're at all smart. Rob people and use that money to pay for plastic surgery if you don't have a well defined jaw.

Women will flock to you because you'll be tall, dumb and masculine.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-05-21T15:38:38+00:00

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reluctantly_red · 2020-05-21T15:03:36+00:00

Young men need to get jobs that don't entail sitting in a cubicle. Men aren't suited to routine office work. Its pretty much impossible to be a masculine guy if you're an office drone.

poppy_blu · 2020-05-21T18:08:22+00:00

My life script for all Americans:

equitable education. Remove taxpayer funded education at the local level, pool and divide funds and distribute them equally. If rich folks have an issue with that they can put their kids in private school.
socialize good parenting again. Good parenting is not buying your kids a much of shit they don’t need or trying to protect them from the not niceties of life. Good parenting is arming you child with independence, self sufficiency and ability to make good judgement.
after HS graduation, everyone completes 2 years of required military service. Perhaps some other type of non physical government service for people who can’t meet the physical requirements. After that you get money towards college or vocational training.
more job tracks for people who won’t do well in a traditional college environment. Invest outside the knowledge economy. Doing that requires forcing businesses to outsource less but in the end it’s better for society.
make college more affordable or free and stop putting people in enormous debt that erases a good deal of the ROI in getting and education in the first place. Let people start out in a better place.
legalize prostitution, weed and non distributor level drug possession. Destroy the prison industrial complex once and for all the draconian laws that feed it.
make marriage a true contract that both parties agree to up front with the terms renegotiable every 5-10 years and an option to not renew and split the assets according to the contract. And drown all divorce lawyers while you’re at it.
ban expensive and lavish weddings and the horrible culture they promote. That alone would drop the marriage rates to near zero.
mandatory 50/50 shared parenting in event of divorce. No exceptions. Work it out. And for FFS stop shitting on dads. Get rid of the 1960s model of social services that removes men from homes and communities and disconnects them from their kids.
destroy tribalism and identity politics and return to a more collective form of self rule that still rewards ambition and achievement. And yes white identity politics are identity politics too.
free health care for everyone that rewards good personal choices

All of these things will create a better environment in which men will have better outcomes.

MuleFool42 · 2020-05-21T16:23:53+00:00

Complete college or certification for your chosen vocational skill and then get on with your goals. Have personal goals set out, like buy a house, have decent car, savings, etc.. Professional goals, what you want to achieve in your field and relentlessly pursue those as your career develops and you increase your expertise. Have financial and physical goals mapped out and dedicate yourself to them as well.

Become independent and successful in all these areas first and foremost as you go through your twenties. Put relationships with women down on the list. If you're good with women, have some relationships along the way but do not prioritize them. As you achieve success and your SMV is at it's highest, do not commit to any one person as this is the time that men should enjoy.

As a MGTOW, I would suggest never getting married, but if you are the type that wants to settle down, don't do it with the first woman that comes along and shows interest. Don't marry anyone until you're in your late 30's or later so that you sow your seeds a little. Don't marry a single mother.

Live life for yourself and always prioritize you own goals, needs, wants, first and foremost. Nobody else will.

Cho_Assmilk · 2020-05-21T19:03:45+00:00

TAKE 🐈 OFF THE PEDESTAL

churnthrowaway123456 · 2020-05-21T23:34:57+00:00

The best life-script for everyone - man or woman - is exactly how the upper middle class actually lives their lives:

Get married as soon as possible after age 22.

It's OK to date the same person from high school all the way until 22.

Don't get divorced, ever.

KapteeniJ · 2020-05-21T13:38:31+00:00

Pretty much the script you just listed.

Even by your own logic, using smv which I find a terribly inaccurate concept, spending the 20's focusing on school, work and social life outside relationships would be the optimal way to spend "low smv years"

diffdedbed · 2020-05-21T13:31:02+00:00

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Reisiluu · 2020-05-21T14:19:51+00:00

That is pretty much ideal. Have kids earlier and you will not be able to enjoy partying with friends, have them later and they will come out retarded.

Young men will never have the same SMV as young women. You would have to completely flip biology. Men would have to be attracted to slightly older women with charisma and sexual experience and promising careers instead of younger inexperienced women at the peak of their beauty.

The best bet for young men is to improve as much as you can during early adulthood, so that you can get better and more women between 25-30.

HollowLegMonk · 2020-05-21T17:58:20+00:00

When your young focus on learning things, not just in school but in life. Have fun in your free time when you can but focus on cultivating a full spectrum persona. You have to accept the fact that women’s SMV is really high at a young age peaking at around 20, and that a man has a lower SMV that peaks around 35. For a young man your SMV is a slow burn so you are just going to have to wait.

18-25 focus on school/career goals, and also build social circles. Have fun with women when you can but don’t make it your main focus.

25-35 have fun being single and watch your SMV go way up. Continue to build your career and start investing. With a higher SMV don’t settle down do what women did at a young age and experiment to see what you like and don’t like.

35-45 settle down, and use the skills you’ve learned to pick an extremely high value woman. Keep building your career but shift your priorities to family.

45-65 focus on your career and raising a family. Enjoy life when you can before you get “old”.

65-? Retire in style and enjoy your golden years. If you wrote the script right you should have a loving family, good friends, and financial freedom to travel and do the things you want.

Flintblood · 2020-05-21T18:00:34+00:00

Follow your mission (life’s work), pursue awesome and curate good friendships and family relationships. Women should be secondary to all that. If you have your shit together and be the best you in terms of fitness and fashion, the women will avail themselves along the way. Seriously, stop wasting time overthinking girls and sex.

dalia-chan · 2020-05-21T18:14:28+00:00

For men here it’s more like: When Curtis get to his home , his 15 years old blonde blue eyed nymphomaniac virginal supermodel , that gain back her hymen everytime he fucks her is waiting for him wearing nothing but a cute apron, and when she kiss him, she ask him how much women he fucked while thinking about her, he had an orgy with 25 girls but it wasn’t enough, so he’s kind of grumpy, so to makes him feel better, she propose him to try a threesome with a cute Asian girl who look like a middle schooler. ( add that the girlfriend pay the bills cause she ain’t no gold digger!!)

slavicgypsygirl · 2020-05-26T20:44:31+00:00

All people should write & follow their own life script!

diffdedbed · 2020-05-21T13:37:40+00:00

then you may spend the time from 18 to about 25 in higher education and with dating around ie. living your best life

If 18-25 is your best life you are doing it wrong. 18-25 is training, be it school, a skill, whatever.

I'm going to guess that most people who say 18-25 was their best life didn't do what they needed to make the rest of their life their best life.

sparklingscott · 2020-05-21T14:15:45+00:00

Id encourage them to be amoral at best. Morality really holds the modern man back now and you are better equiped to deal with a shit society if you can lower yourself to the level everyone is playing at. Many people will also mistake this for some kind of confidence.

VaporwaveVampire · 2020-05-21T18:42:45+00:00

You guys need to stop having hookups. Men and women. Hookups are more escapist behavior and what do they even lead to? Obviously more unhappiness for you guys.

Women: you will attract pick up artist creepy sexist types who may or may not want to drug and rape you. Men: you will attract wannabe empowered mentally unstable girls who have probably slept with three times as many people as you have.

Joey_Lopez · 2020-05-21T13:58:33+00:00

The current life path is optimal because it's better to build your career early instead of what the guys in the hood do which is spend their youth trying to be Chad and ending up broke when you're older.

I would say that they should add getting seriously into sports. If they can get into a sports team in college it would make them more alpha, cool, popular, and help them get girls. Not to mention keep them in shape, which also helps to get girls. You could also get more grants and scholarships.

NarniaFox · 2020-05-21T14:19:14+00:00

Having good and caring parents, going to a good school with great teachers and the system that encourages you to study and explore, looking for your passion or something that you're at least somewhat interested, having friends and a supporting community, after school maybe going to the university or college, getting the job that you like or at least don't hate and can tolerate.

From the dating point, I'd make society in a whole more egalitarian. Both men and women should be initiative if they're interested. Both men and women should either pay for themselves or pay in turns. Men shouldn't be viewed as a main provider. Make legal changes, so the both parents could take turns with their paternal/maternal leaves.

Sepean · 2020-05-21T15:12:56+00:00

The script is fine - the reason it fails for many is that they use a sexual strategy that is utterly flawed. With the red pill play book it would work out perfectly.

cuntscab69 · 2020-05-21T19:21:54+00:00

Bloody acronyms lol

Boss123456789a · 2020-05-21T20:42:40+00:00

Something like this i guess: At age 6 one starts school then at 16 one decides if he is going to learn a craft (3 years in general) or if he is going to persue a higher education for which he has to do two more years of school. After school or learning a craft one does two years of mandatory military or civil Service, when that is done one can go to Collage or work in the craft one learned. At which point your pretty much free to do what ever, i guess

rayholmes69 · 2020-05-21T20:57:16+00:00

Thanks

rayholmes69 · 2020-05-21T21:32:07+00:00

Like men told women since time eternal, too fucking bad boys, time to shut up

daniellederek · 2020-05-21T21:47:33+00:00

Take trades prep in high school, get red seal by 20, stay away from video games and excessive drinking and drugs, be making 100k by 25, learn about tax shelters, dont buy more house than you need and dont get on the hamster wheel of new shiney cars boats trucks quads. Bank 50% 9f what you earn and semi retire at 40-45

beto_747 · 2020-05-21T22:29:25+00:00

What it should be: Hey son, I am financially well off (which is why I had kids in the first place), so you will never have to worry about a roof over your head, or food on your plate. Now do whatever makes you happy, enjoy!

Thatjuansailor · 2020-05-21T22:32:23+00:00

Take risks that lead to virtue.

rubbooyuri · 2020-05-22T02:42:42+00:00

I fail to see what the problem is with the current life/career path — what is wrong with work/study hard, be ambitious, and build for the future?

flamingo_clouds · 2020-05-22T03:55:22+00:00

Physiologist21 · 2020-05-22T04:12:04+00:00

Ages 4-14: Develop a wide set of interests, activities, and skills.

Ages 14+: Focus on cultivating and concentrating on the things you enjoy (that you are also good at). Sprinkle in some red pill philosophy and the importance of failure and resiliency.

I think if you can really just do those things, most others can be learned along the way. The male ideal comes from experience and competence. Happiness and success will come from defining what defines you.

yoitsdavid · 2020-05-22T15:48:52+00:00

I’m not sure. I doubt I will ever find love, as I’m training to be an raf sniper. It would work for some people who want that type of lifestyle, but people like me who will be out for ages or be facing lots of danger will not

Silverpixelmate · 2020-05-21T18:48:40+00:00

Every young man who gets laid met a woman to get laid from. That’s 1 man and 1 woman. Getting laid. How can we have a shortage of young men sleeping with young women when it takes 1 of each?

This is explained away by trp saying all these young women are riding the CC with the top 20% of the men over 6’. So we now have this wide open gap of young women (between the ages of 18 and what is it these days? 26?) aged 18-26 who are all out fucking the top 20% like crazy. Are the top 20% of desirable men, (according to trp) also around 40 or older? Is that the new age for peak male smv? So the 18-26 year old women are only out fucking the hottest 40+ year old men that are 6’ plus? Is that what you are seeing these days?

That’s a whole lot of fucking by women and seemingly very little fucking by men. Are the low smv men getting any at all? Are they all virgins before they hit 40? I’ve never met a 40 year old virgin but I’m sure they exist.

Or maybe the young men are fucking the older cougars? The ones that are past this wall that men keep placing on them? Are those the women they are fucking?

Are we sure that the norm isn’t young men and women fucking each other? That seems far more common to me.

I also see it is far more common for young men, who are surging with testosterone, to feel like it’s not enough for them. They are getting it, but it’s not enough. And I see young women being happy with the amount of sex they are getting. Which seems to be a far less goal and desire for them. As evidenced by the majority of the porn industry being directed and used by men. Because they aren’t satisfied.

Call me crazy, but I think it’s as it should be with the majority. Women are selective about sex for many valid reasons that trp suggests. But they miss that we aren’t surging with testosterone. So where it’s likely that a young man would ride a vagina carrousel until he died if he was given unlimited access, the truth is not the same in reverse. Because women are not surging with testosterone and are therefor satisfied with the amount of sex they are getting, the grand majority do not ride that cock carrousel. And this is beyond comprehension for men. They feel if it’s absolutely that way for them, it’s absolutely that way for women. It’s simply not. Maybe if you injected her with testosterone or maybe if she was having daddy issues or self esteem issues, she may hop aboard. Even then it’s for far different reasons than men. If that even matters.

pablosito · 2020-05-21T14:19:59+00:00

Build yourself up in the best way you seem fit. Don’t go to higher education because you’re told to. Go if you genuinely think it’s a career path that will help develop you and ultimately provide you with financially fulfilling work that also doesn’t kill your soul. Work on your health. Travel and gain new perspective and experiences. Do not tie your happiness to finding a partner but learn to be happy by yourself. If you do find your unicorn work hard to make it work. Don’t put yourself into debt. The people keeping up with the Jones are broke, and so are the Jones. There is no race, be kind to yourself and avoid comparing yourself. There’s just you. If you stumble and fail it’s fine so long as you learn from it. It’s okay to change, you don’t ever have to be stuck in your position. Life is long and you can play the game however you want.

relish5k · 2020-05-21T16:52:08+00:00

It sounds like a lot of you guys would have been good fits for martial holy orders (templars, hospitalers, etc)

wtknight · 2020-05-21T17:30:58+00:00

Fraternities in college are the way for young men in their early 20's to have sexual success. There are even fraternities for average looking guys that sometimes had parties and slept with women from average looking sororities. If a guy doesn't want to join a fraternity, all he has to do is find a mixed gender friend group and try to start FWB relationships. The men who aren't having success can change their script easily just by being more social and not sitting at home by themselves playing video games and watching online porn all the time.

SaBahRub · 2020-05-21T18:23:25+00:00

What’s wrong with the current life script? People are free to do what they want; its employers that drive education anyways.

Jou-Joestar · 2020-05-21T18:23:32+00:00

No script. Let people think for themselves.

phlegmdawg · 2020-05-21T18:38:28+00:00

Why don’t we abolish the idea of a life script altogether and let people’s unique drives/goals guide their actions instead? Change has to start somewhere.

diffdedbed · 2020-05-21T15:45:02+00:00

SMV in early 20's this script sreally screws over young men, they'll never have the same great experience young women have.

Pity party, I brought salty snacks!

What "great life" do these girls have over the guys? Take my heterosexuality out of it, and give me the choice to choose my sex starting over at 18, I'd pick a man every time.

Sure women have it easier in some ways but I personally really like being a man, I like being stronger, I like being more logically driven than emotional, I like not having PMS, I like being the leader which men are generally expected to be and are better at. I'd rather not give birth. I do wish I could multiple orgasm but eh, I'm ok with what I get.

Being a man is more work in some ways, but I think the results are better when you do it.

Maximedius · 2020-05-21T14:55:12+00:00

" they'll never have the same great experience young women have. " ???? "According to the UN, women are more vulnerable to extreme poverty than men. They spend at least twice as much time in unpaid domestic work. In less developed countries, this disparity is even wider. And when women are employed outside the home, they work more hours than men, as they take on both paid work and unpaid domestic duties.

SeemedGood · 2020-05-21T13:36:53+00:00

they'll never have the same great experience young women have.

Men and women are fundamentally different. We should not expect to have “the same great experience young women have” - which isn’t actually all that great (grass greener phenomenon).

As a young man you can focus on building power in your life in a way that women in our modern culture can’t. Take advantage of that and the women will follow.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-05-21T14:05:10+00:00

You grow up in a loving household where a present, engaged and morally just father teaches you how to be a decent human being and inspired you to live your best life, no matter what path you take.

.....and life pretty much solves itself in the long run.

The role of a good father is FUNDAMENTAL for the development of both men and women. You have a good father in a balanced home and you don't need much else for the kid to grow up knowing how to socialise, how to find girlfriends, how to get his ass to work, how to stay in shape and how to look into the future.

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89320420934 · 2020-05-21T13:57:34+00:00

Can you explain what is wrong with the current script? I mean, it's not like the majority of young men even follow that path. That's the path for a middle class or upper class man.

I'm not sure how this script screws over young men. The culture screws over some young men because it pushes them to act in unmasculine ways. However, everyone's experience is different and plenty of people follow the script successfully.

bonobo-no · 2020-05-21T23:04:39+00:00

Get rid of unrealistic standards of "manliness." Like destigmatize men who wear dresses, men who are emotional, men who aren't ripped, etc. Toxic masculinity I predict will be the second biggest problem in America this decade after climate change.

Title	What life script would be better suited for (young) men than the one we currently have?
Author	Maximedius
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Date	May 21, 2020 1:25 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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