Whoopi Goldberg on woman's spitting and assault of Cleveland bus driver: "Women have this idea that you can hit and punch on a man .. and it's ok and he's not going to hit you back. Those days are gone".

Liberhat · 2012-10-15T21:38:24+00:00

Whoopi Goldberg deserves credit - it takes cojones to stand up and say something like that in today's climate. Perhaps she and others are waking up at last.

primaloath · 2012-10-15T21:15:26+00:00

She's right. And rule number 1 is (Unless we're talking somebody specifically trained, like a police officer) the aggressor's safety is NEVER the concern of the defender. NEVER.

Women need to be taught, just like men are, not to start shit unless they're prepared to face the consequences.

This whole thing, apparently, happened because one woman decided the rules didn't apply to her, so she threw a temper tantrum. Like a Child.

bantam83 · 2012-10-16T07:03:24+00:00

Whoopi is now banned from /r/SRS

ErasmusMRA · 2012-10-15T23:09:25+00:00

To the people who are saying the bus driver's response was overkill: She comes back into the bus after being punched and keeps attacking him. It wasn't overkill, he didn't hit hard enough.

RomeFlower · 2012-10-15T21:42:39+00:00

I think these women are starting to realise feminism = starting to get really treated like a man.

TManFreeman · 2012-10-16T00:33:47+00:00

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firex726 · 2012-10-15T21:05:45+00:00

I knew there was a reason I still like Whoopi.

JockeVXO · 2012-10-15T22:15:50+00:00

Did I hear that right? The young blonde says she doesn't believe in punching, especially women?

imagine_me_naked · 2012-10-16T03:30:08+00:00

Yeah, right. Those days are not gone. They should be gone, but I am a woman and I have lots of female friends who I have seen smack their boyfriends for various things. I have asked my friends if they would be okay with their boyfriends hitting them like that, and they say no (of course), but that it's different because their boyfriends are "strong."

I've also heard many women say that it's acceptable to hit men in certain situations like if they have been cheating or lying. But of course they're not going to say it's acceptable for a guy to hit a girl in the same situation (and frankly it's just not okay, period).

I'm glad Whoopi is being the voice of reason on this, and this should really be getting more attention than it has so far, because those days are nowhere near gone.

Scott2508 · 2012-10-15T22:01:38+00:00

and i wil say this in anticipation of srs and manboobz heads exploding, is it not interesting that the only ones who actually saw her violence as a legit issue are whoopi and the other african american one ( i a scot i have no idea who she is ) while the others wanted to compare him to ghandi in there expectations of how he should respond, were more horrified at spitting because its flu season and the other piffle ..

TheRE_ALone · 2012-10-16T03:40:07+00:00

I think there are a lot of women out there with the delusions that not only is it ok to assault a man, but also that they are going to win the fight if it came to it. Yes it is possible, but without years of training, it's probably not very likely if he decides to meet your aggression. Even then, one good punch and your done. You are not Lara Croft, G.I. Jane,, Kate Beckinsale in Underworld, or Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.

I am a female. I've been in a few fights when I was younger (against females who hit me first) and I always "won." I have a few nephews my age who are always horsing around sparring and one day my nephew invites me to deliver and unguarded punch to the face during one of these sessions. Challenge accepted. My hardest hit did NOTHING to him. Didn't flinch, didn't even take a step back. I am now aware of my physical limitations, and gladly so, valuable lesson learned.

The perpetuation of the idea that it's ok for women to hit men isn't just wrong for the obvious reasons, it's also downright dangerous to women. Not everyone is going to turn the other cheek, as the girl in this video found out. Even though I think that situation could have been handled differently, in the end it might have saved her life. If she'd done this to the wrong guy this could have turned out much worse for her. Hopefully she will think twice before assaulting someone in the future.

Numble · 2012-10-15T21:07:35+00:00

I hate violence in general, but if someone attacks you then yes, you should expect it back. Male or female, Female or(had of on accident) male. Was his reaction overkill? I think so, but you never know where someone is at in their life, anyone can be at the end of their rope, ready to snap, no one is beyond the exeptions. Expect the worst.

Relevant

2012-10-16T05:04:43+00:00

He did the right thing. The idea that a man shouldn't hit a woman is based on the idea that a woman will behave like a lady. By attacking him and spitting in his face, she forfeited any sort of gentlemanly response by him.

As Whoopi says, the old days are over. They are not coming back. Women wanted equality, and they have it. So if they attack a man, they better be ready for him to defend himself the same way he would with another man.

kulykat · 2012-10-16T10:55:13+00:00

I am a woman. I expect equal rights. I expect equal treatment. I expect that for all woman.

Men need to start treating women as equals, and that absolutely includes physically defending yourself against a violent woman.

Women who expect otherwise are bullies and cowards.

Scott2508 · 2012-10-15T21:38:18+00:00

she seems more than most mainstream famous women to see things from a more balanced perspective, i dont like violencd, but your gender shouldnt protect your from retaliation if you start it .

Xenoith · 2012-10-15T22:10:37+00:00

Link that isn't shit here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzrs15Gtzlo

SatanIsAnAtheist · 2012-10-15T23:19:42+00:00

I'm of the opinion you should "pick on someone your own size" man on man as well, but this girl had it coming to her. It does not look like the first time she has hurt someone. She's a disrespectful and disgusting human being, put the safety of other passengers at risk, and is clearly no stranger to fighting with men.

Cannot understand the arguments anti-bus driver.

2012-10-16T02:07:24+00:00

If you don't want a beat down, don't start a fight.

Maschalismos · 2012-10-16T02:28:26+00:00

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FireTruth · 2012-10-16T01:55:16+00:00

She's right. There is no such thing as overkill when it comes to defending yourself. You have no reason worry about the safety of your attacker. They weren't worrying about your well being so you have no reason to worry about their's.

Edit: The look of absolute terror on the younger woman's face when whoopi says "those days are over" is priceless.

dumbguyscene28 · 2012-10-15T21:30:10+00:00

That was actually a pretty reasonable discussion.

Schrecken · 2012-10-16T02:40:08+00:00

The entire continent of India

Idiopathic77 · 2012-10-16T06:10:38+00:00

Whoppi is in a great position to have a more understanding perspective of this. She understands, as does the other African American lady, how people can be in the inner city. Many on here and elsewhere say this was overkill by the driver. I can only assume that they have never dealt with an angry inner city woman. They could just as easily pull a blade and cut you up in some cases. I'm not making a blanket statement. I have seen the results of a pissed off woman like this. Straight razor cuts from the ear to the lips that you can see teeth through, gashes over a foot long down a persons back. I had one woman threaten me with a pistol for not allowing her to enter a secure building.

This driver knows this type of woman, Whoppi does too. This type of woman is quite capable of doing quite a bit of damage. So knocking her on the jaw and tossing her out the door is a safe response.

l337sponge · 2012-10-16T01:51:32+00:00

Nice to see whoopi standing up for equal rights for everyone

Funcuz · 2012-10-16T04:38:36+00:00

Whoopi Goldberg has always been a common-sense kinda woman . A blue-collar woman living in a gold-collar world . I doubt she identifies herself with the MRM in any way but to my way of thinking , she's just a smart woman who calls things as she sees them .

Always a fan and now I remember why .

KindredBear · 2012-10-16T13:57:14+00:00

"Chivalry is dead... And women killed it." - Dave Chapelle

SirPeterODactyl · 2012-10-16T17:16:27+00:00

Is it OK to hit a woman?

No it's not OK for a man to hit a woman. AND No it's not OK for a woman to hit a man. It's NOT OK for a human being to hit another human being. It's as simple as that.

Funcuz · 2012-10-16T04:10:05+00:00

What I don't understand is how so many people expect everybody else to be masters of self-defense .
Like , I'm supposed to know exactly how to subdue somebody because I've had decades of practice at doing that ? Does anybody else know how to do that ? A good punch , on the other hand , does two things : Firstly it does what you want it to do in terms of the immediate problem and secondly it teaches people hitting you that if they do it , there's a good chance they'll get hit back .

Why we expect anybody to not have a natural reaction to being physically assaulted is a product of our softer/gentler/pussified society . Nobody just sits back and ponders it philosophically ... they clench their fists and think about where the best place to plant them would be .

2012-10-16T02:28:20+00:00

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royalewithcheese94 · 2012-10-15T21:59:32+00:00

The fact that she sounds like Bill Cosby only makes her cooler.

2012-10-16T01:49:23+00:00

I love whoopi goldberg, so cool and full of reason. Powers I think women get once they shave their eyebrows off.

MRMRising · 2012-10-16T17:49:04+00:00

When Biden was on the show she tried to bring up Female-on-Male DV, but that misandric prick of a politician would not hear of it, so my hat goes off to her.

Rainymood_XI · 2012-10-16T08:31:34+00:00

NU UH WE WANT EQUAL RIGHTS BUT YOU CAN'T HIT US BACK WHEN WE HIT YOU NU UH

Oh fuck you, feminists

MrOFoxy · 2012-10-16T02:24:07+00:00

If you want equal rights, that means with the gloves on or off. No one is going to admit to wanting equal rights for woman, and be serious about it, and still defend the "you can't hit a woman" arguement. You couldn't put me in front of a person like that and have it end well, verbally that is.

scurvebeard · 2012-10-16T04:18:54+00:00

Thanks, Guinan.

FireTruth · 2012-10-16T10:45:36+00:00

its amazing how many women are so child like / brain washed that they think they can attack a guy and not get the shit kicked out of her ..... its even more sickening how many men have been brain washed to think that too.... little boys need to be re-edcuated on self defense to includ females as potential threats that may need to be hit.

Kastoli · 2012-10-16T14:23:42+00:00

If someone pushes me to the point of physical violence (which is pretty far) I couldn't care less about their gender. They're getting a fist to the chest either way, and women who think just because they're women they're exempt from that can go get fucked.

DerpaNerb · 2012-10-15T22:27:50+00:00

Good for her for being rational.

Emperor_NOPEolean · 2012-10-16T03:20:57+00:00

For me, it's never okay to hit somebody, until the exact moment they decide it's okay for them to hit you. The moment anybody, man or woman, decides they're big enough to hit me, is the exact moment in time that it's fine for me to have back at them.

passionPunch · 2012-10-16T04:25:05+00:00

Why do these women have to bring up points such as Ghandi, when they can't ask the most basic questions liiiike, "What if the bust driver was a woman and hit her? What if the bus driver punched out a guy instead?" No one would care and everyone would move along....

Drutarg · 2012-10-16T08:12:30+00:00

DON'T EVER HIT A WOMAN!!!!

No, don't ever hit anybody. I hate all of these PSA's about not hitting women. Everybody should know not to hit anybody. That includes women.

McFeely_Smackup · 2012-10-16T23:19:49+00:00

I've never watched the View, but the clips and quotes I've seen from the show it seems that Whoopi is frequently the sole voice of reason.

I don't think it's outrageous or unreasonable to tell women that if you initiate violence, you should probably expect violence in response. It may not be right, or "to scale", but if you haven't considered the possibility then you haven't done enough thinking.

BenDeGarcon · 2012-10-16T05:11:39+00:00

Some of the panelists are so far removed from reality that it's disgusting. I wonder what they would have been saying if the driver had, had his trachea crushed.

FireTruth · 2012-10-16T06:15:21+00:00

I have 10 bucks for this guy's lawyer, and I'm broke-ass. Is there a site to donate to?

Pecanpig · 2012-10-16T05:48:27+00:00

This article just put Guinan ahead of Beverly Crusher in my list of favorite Star Trek characters,

napocapo69 · 2012-10-16T08:21:20+00:00

already the title speaks a lot "is it ok to hit a woman" ... not a person, a woman.

"suspended for hitting a female passenger" ... uhm ... shouldn't be "..for hitting a passenger"?

Better, much better let that passenger continuing to insult the driver, until he invest someone or provoke a car accident ... much better ...

big_white1990 · 2012-10-16T08:51:02+00:00

lol the guy in the red shirt looks like a kid on x-mas morning when the bus driver punches her.

XDingoX83 · 2012-10-16T13:16:39+00:00

Damnit whoopi first you made me hate you by saying stupid shit and now I'm starting to like you again. Make up your mind.

2012-10-16T14:15:58+00:00

The fact that she got up and kept attacking him after he hit her is a strong indication that he didn't punch hard enough.

2012-10-16T04:32:09+00:00

nobody should be punching or spitting at anyone really, disgraceful.

2012-10-16T17:33:07+00:00

I remember when Angry Beavers was actually about beavers

dungone · 2012-10-16T18:47:38+00:00

Here's another story, to contrast it against: http://www.wltx.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=83831

So a female 4th degree black-belt used a choke hold to subdue an unruly man on a flight, and that man was charged with an offense that carries up to a 20 year sentence.

Here, we have a transit agency that probably doesn't provide any self-defense training to it's employees, in a state that probably doesn't have any laws that protect transit workers from attack (or else she'd be facing a felony by now). So instead of owing up to the fact that the transit agency and local government is failing to adequately protect the public who place their personal safety into the hands of bus drivers, they try to skewer the man for hitting a lady.

FREE_VIOLENTACREZ · 2012-10-16T20:15:22+00:00

Whoopi's hair looks like a mop.

reverendgreene · 2012-10-16T23:05:10+00:00

I like the immediate question asked "did he it a boy or a girl?"

PFFFFFFT like it should matter.

FireTruth · 2012-10-16T01:57:41+00:00

you tell em whoopi G

most women are stuck in the past... bring em into the modern world.

time to grow up and put on ur big girl pantys

luveroftrees · 2012-10-16T08:46:09+00:00

fuck yea... I would never just hit a woman... but if she hit first I would defend myself... uppercut!!!

Ratmotored57 · 2012-10-16T11:56:56+00:00

He must have been all out of "Bitch B Gone".

dirtyleft · 2012-10-16T12:32:37+00:00

Whoopi Goldberg, always the voice of reason.

conspiracy_thug · 2012-10-15T22:23:06+00:00

WELL SAID!!!

CorporateNINJA · 2012-10-16T02:40:28+00:00

Youtube Link

ABC's site wasnt loading for me, but youtube worked just fine

sonicmele · 2012-10-16T02:44:00+00:00

I took the quiz and it turns out that I'm most like Whoopi.

MadKat88 · 2012-10-16T02:55:37+00:00

So glad to hear a famous woman like Whoopi keeping it real about this type of behavior.

ashewalton · 2012-10-16T03:57:30+00:00

Does anyone have a link that works outside of the U.S? I found the original cell video, but not the clip from the View.

lookaboveyou · 2012-10-16T06:10:02+00:00

thank you whoop

Galactic777 · 2012-10-16T13:56:38+00:00

Well first of all I really like Elizabeth Hasselbeck's uppercut swing, shit was hilarious. But, I'm pretty fucking shocked, it's almost like an alternate universe. And if you look at the original video on Worldstar an overwhelming majority of women are behind the man, it seems women are understanding equality. Good stuff...

Liverotto · 2012-10-16T13:38:30+00:00

Nice thing to say I would like it to be true, but it is BS because this is a sick feminist society.

That nigger is gonna go to prison on trumped up charges since he punched a HOLY woman and you know it.

Maybe he will only lose his job because the girl was black, but if the "lady" was white he would be already locked up.

Liberhat · 2012-10-15T22:01:35+00:00

It's nice to see some of the panel members have recovered their composure after laughing at a man getting his penis chopped off. How are you feeling ladies? Need some smelling salts to steady yourselves, or are your sides still aching after last year's "hilarity"? Perhaps a hot bath to soothe your aches and pains...

Bitches.

Nekrosis13 · 2012-10-16T01:41:25+00:00

I agree with what he did, but he did go a tad hard on that punch. He coulda just grabbed and tossed her. Even if she was fighting back, that would actually have made her look more crazy. He didn't need to knock her the eff out, but he did have to show her who's boss. Bus drivers do take a lot of shit, and if people get away with refusing to pay, everyone will just start doing the same.

starhawks · 2012-10-16T05:10:51+00:00

I'm so confused about Whoopi lately. Sometimes I hate her guts, and setimes she says something like this that makes me like her for the moment. Plus she was Guinan.

mattlohkamp · 2012-10-16T05:51:19+00:00

Right - the important thing to remember is that if anything, it was wrong for each to hit the other, and certainly not worse for him to hit her.

2012-10-16T06:08:52+00:00

An excellent post except for one thing. I will read about the view, but I will not watch it sir. I feel tricked.

hangm4n · 2012-10-16T07:16:34+00:00

MMMMMMHMMMM

HeyZuesHChrist · 2012-10-16T12:29:02+00:00

Whoopi said exactly what I've been saying for years. If you hit somebody, you have to expect to be hit back, no matter what gender you are.

That's how the world works. Don't want punched? Don't punch somebody.

cknight18 · 2012-10-16T13:48:08+00:00

TIL India is a continent

MrMathamagician · 2012-10-16T06:54:04+00:00

Hate to be a buzz kill here guys but based on the limited information I heard and saw in the video I thought that a strong slap in the face would have been sufficient in this situation and that the uppercut punch was a needless escalation in the violence level. Especially considering she had backed out of his personal space by that time. It's hard to tell with that video though.

frederickharttt · 2012-10-16T03:31:11+00:00

More like those men are gone and no where to be found for marriage or any relationship.

Roddy0608 · 2012-10-16T10:05:47+00:00

It doesn't matter to me what sex the passenger is. I just don't think a bus driver should be responding that way. It's a job for the police.

DavidByron · 2012-10-15T23:31:44+00:00

It's not clear to me what her position is. She seems to be defending the bus driver somewhat but as to men hitting women she seems to be just saying that sometimes a man will hit back as a warning, not "and men OUGHT to hit back if a woman hits them!"

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