How important is a man's physique to women?

hopeidontforget2021 · 2022-06-28T21:07:33+00:00

like 90% of men I see in relationships aren't in shape at all.

I care what the women I'm into like. I don't care about the majority of awful relationships between desperate people.

The women I'm into have high physical standards.

Peacesquad · 2022-06-28T21:45:57+00:00

Woman care about looks, but being fit is only a small portion of that.

Height, face, dick size, colour of skin, hair... All of that it's as much, if not more important. And none of them can be "trained" like muscles.

RearwindowPinecone · 2022-06-28T19:43:56+00:00

woman values looks as much as man if not more,woman has a physical attraction(mostly about height and face) threshold,man has to pass that threshold to have a chance to enter a relationship with her

2022-06-28T20:48:44+00:00

Physique can be important without that meaning "every woman likes the exact same thing."

But then what the fuck do I know. I thought all muscular guys felt like awkward bricks but it turns out my gym rat ex might just have had body dysmorphia.

DorianneGrey · 2022-06-28T20:09:20+00:00

Men's physique is just like anything else. It starts as pass / fail. If it's a fail, that's it, zero chance.

If it's a pass, it becomes a maybe and other qualities are considered (face, personality, sense of humor, adulting ability, ambition, drive, love of dogs, ability to make good tacos - whatever that woman's preferences include). It is all weighed and balanced. Then we bring out the abacus and ledger and, by a combination of calculus and chemistry, come to a decision.

FYI, that's also why the whole "but she's my looksmatch" thing is so silly.

GGMcThroway · 2022-06-28T23:04:25+00:00

Short answer: It varies from person to person, but having a good physique is never going to hurt.

Long answer: If you dress like an average dude and take good care of your body, anything more than that is a bonus. If you dress like a slob and have terrible hygiene, you'll put yourself out of the running pretty quickly (unless you're lucky enough to find either someone with the same issues or someone so codependent that they convince themselves it isn't an issue).

As for being fat itself? People who take measures to stay healthy generally want partners who do the same. But gregarious fat guys aren't going to have too many issues if they're actually socializing and socially apt.

Obese to the point of mobility issues is going to be a problem for most people, though, regardless of gender (especially if the partner is expected to enter a caretaker role because of it).

Gigamon2014 · 2022-06-28T23:36:41+00:00

A lot.

Why dudes choose to punish themselves by claiming it doesn't, I have no idea. Again, watching a show here in the UK called Love Island and half the dudes in there have muscular, low bodyfat physiques. Even the guys a little on the more normal sides of things still have a favourable waist to shoulder ratio.

My face has always been pretty meh/alright but being tall and muscular has meant that I've fucked maybe a little too much pussy. I'm over a decade into fitness so it's just part of who I am now but after all the laughable, embarrassing shit I've had women do for my attention, the outright open antagonism my girlfriend has experienced from other women, the sheer amount of times I've been hit on in the street, gyms, bars, work, the thousands of matches on tinder...I just can't really be asked to convince just how much being skinny fat and being lean and muscular is like night and day.

And you don't even need to be as buff as me. I'm fucking NPC competition level...the amount of guys I see killing it with just moderate bodies. But the key is low bodyfat. If anyone here claims they've gained muscle, lost bodyfat and still don't receive any interest from the opposite sex then I'm going to insist on pics or it didn't happen. Too many non lifting incels LARPing these days.

Again, listening to women on Reddit is for the birds. Attractive women don't congregate on Reddit. Men and women aren't that special and are largely driven by the same things. Find a Chad or Stacy and attend any social function and come back and delude yourself about "personality mattering". That's probably the saddest part of it all, watching clowns who claim they're not a fan of traditionally hot people due to their personality act like complete and utter desperate jackasses around traditionally hot people.

Cjaylyle · 2022-06-28T22:11:59+00:00

Face then height then frame then hair then physique

Friedidli · 2022-06-28T21:02:51+00:00

It terms of raw attraction , a lot.

In terms of negotiated attraction, not so much.

Negotiated attraction is like a teddy bear that was used as a sex doll. Disgusting.

h1shman · 2022-06-28T20:23:46+00:00

My options skyrocketed when I broke through a certain threshold. It’s like a tiered system.

Tier 0 : Fat huge negative Tier 1 : Skinny Fat won’t hurt or help Tier 2 : Athletic here you see a decent jump but mostly to other athletic girls Tier 3 : jacked/lean The body type the vast majority of women are sexually attracted to. This is where the 80/20 and even 90/10 rule really kicks in. In this tier girls turn full degenerate and open you on OLD with “OMG 🥵😍” etc…

The tiers apply to your face too and your body won’t make up for a bad face. Also women aren’t exactly the same and the degree to which they care varies but there are many women who go crazy over amazing physiques.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-06-28T20:38:55+00:00

Incredibly important, now I recognize I got lucky with the genetic components of attractiveness but I was fucking it all up by being obese as a teenager, losing weight opened a whole new world of attractive women to me.

Women care A LOT about a man's physique. Even being 6'3 and having other immutable genetic advantages didn't get me cute girls when I was fat. My lack of physique ruined it all

LondonLobby · 2022-06-28T21:16:49+00:00

Men don’t like overweight women well we don’t like overweight men either. i feel like weight is only discussed when it comes to women but I mean let’s be honest, women don’t want obese men either!

wtknight · 2022-06-28T20:11:42+00:00

Somewhat important depending upon the woman, and also depending upon whether she’s looking for a relationship or just for sex.

Women who are just looking for casual sex are choosing heavily but not exclusively based upon looks, so physique is important. But for relationships, it’s just one of many factors that they are choosing for, so it will depend upon the woman and her personal preferences about what about a guy is attractive enough to want a relationship with him.

Maluassis · 2022-06-28T23:21:55+00:00

I think the “women are less visual” holds some truth to it. Yes, a nice physique is damn nice to watch doing push-ups and whatnot lol but at least personally, if we’ve been in a room chatting for over an hour, you automatically start looking more attractive or less attractive depending on how funny you are, how much we connect, what’s the vibe you’re putting off etc… So good looks definitely influence on the approaching or first look interest, but that dies out so quickly that I’d rather be with an average/not so good looking man any day, rather than a handsome chad who isn’t a cool person. 9/10 of the guys I date I get the “why are you dating him?” From ppl haha and they usually understand after meeting my bf.

Messyhr_ · 2022-06-28T21:36:28+00:00

Usually face is most important and don’t be fat.

BumblingBeta · 2022-06-28T20:15:47+00:00

It's important but the things which make a man's physique attractive are largely out of his control - height, muscle insertions, body fat distribution. None of these things can be changed, barring some highly expensive, complicated, risky surgery. That's why it's often not not talked about.

Another reason it's not talked about is because society needs men for their productive value. Society is better off when men are working instead of obsessing over their appearance.

PurplePillEric · 2022-06-28T20:49:20+00:00

About the same.

But at the same time, there are a good number of OTHER things that are very important too.

Women get more attention on average than men so they are able to have higher standards.

Overall, women are attracted to the EXPERIENCE a man can provide them with. This includes looks, passions, status, humor, social networks, etc. Different women have different weights on their priorities.

Focus on leveling yourself up as much as practical across the board and you'll get more respect from men and attention from women. Most men are lacking in some or all of the categories.

jamesbwbevis · 2022-06-29T00:00:53+00:00

Women care way more about face and height

OfficialHavik · 2022-06-29T02:49:56+00:00

Who cares? There's no excuse to be fat. You know what look you need to go after. I don't give a flying fuck what kind of deformities you've got above the neck. No excuse not to look good below.

levelboss · 2022-06-29T06:47:10+00:00

When I’m shredded I pull more easily because I’m objectively more beautiful then as my facial features are more defined and obv my body looks wayyyy better. Everytime I got laid and took off my shirt, the women would comment how my body is amazing and some said I was the most beautiful man they had had lol That is a masssive ego boost and the confidence I have when in that shape also helps me being more flirty and forward because I KNOW that I’m attractive.

Last year I gained about 50 pounds cuz of corona and low key having gotten lazy and my confidence was lower and I was less forward etc but I still had women I hooked up with. It was less though, because I decided to go volcel mode untill back in shape and I deleted tinder because my photos where not a fair representation if what I looked like. I still got laid a pleasant amount by women who went for me so it was very cool to see that I’m someone who women want to be with even when not in the shape I hold myself to!! But now that i’m back in shape my confidence has again skyrocketed and I do get more attention again, so yeah it 100% helps in my opinion!

HeartCatchHana · 2022-06-28T20:14:52+00:00

Don't be fat!!! That's my minimum

throwaway164_3 · 2022-06-28T20:48:01+00:00

Very important.

Next question

Entiox · 2022-06-29T00:39:06+00:00

Obviously women like guys who are in good shape with a lean, toned body

Some women like that, but by no means all. My girlfriend isn't at all attracted to guys who are lean. She prefers guys who are big and burly, as do quite a few women I know. If it wasn't for the women who like the big, burly men I would have had a much harder time dating.

Wrong-Sundae · 2022-06-29T01:15:59+00:00

Don’t be unhealthy and obese, that’s literally all. You don’t need to be a jacked gym rat. Be healthy and active to whatever extent you can. Personally my partner is just someone who can keep up, wants to live as long as I do, and doesn’t treat his body like a dumpster.

bison5595 · 2022-06-29T01:35:22+00:00

You will never go wrong with women just getting to and staying between 10-15 percent bodyfat

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AestheticSaiyan · 2022-06-28T20:58:59+00:00

Depends on the woman?

YtBlue · 2022-06-28T21:37:37+00:00

Very important until you understand how woman operate. For example Pete Davidson isn't exactly the most prime male example, but he pulls above is weight. Also there's proof Pete Davidson subscribes to the "red pill" idea going on now and that's how he got his success with women.

autumncolors816 · 2022-06-28T22:59:24+00:00

I love strong arms. And a nice strong back!!!!

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AcrobaticEngine9811 · 2022-06-29T04:08:17+00:00

Very (to me)

BuddUgly · 2022-06-29T07:28:06+00:00

Very important. There was a thread on here asking people how things changed when they lost weight. All the guys talked about how their options completely changed after having a glow up.

Women are liars and care far more about a man's physical looks than they will ever admit.

2022-06-29T12:06:54+00:00

It matters, absolutely. And I do care and don’t find fat men attractive… but female attraction is not solely based on looks. Men are just more willing to settle, but overall men care more about looks.

How a man carries himself, makes you feel etc matters A LOT. More. Kind of depends what is meant. For me just looks don’t cut it and as long as he passes a treshold.

”Men are attracted to hot women, women are attracted to them being the hot woman”.

So focus on looks sure but also on other things. Your failures are probably not due to looks alone and it matters what type of women you want to attract.

NotARussianBot1984 · 2022-06-29T15:02:54+00:00

Depends on thr trait. Physique in terms of height its 100% of importance if you are shorter than her. She won't date you. Same height, now we're talking a possibility but low. Taller but not tall? Decent. Tall? For some girls that are vocal about their needs, its 100% needed to be above 6 foot.

Now after that comes muscle mass. Height is the number one physical trait women sort by first. Imho asa short fit guy, fitness has NEGATIVE impact on my dating life. Read my previous comments for pics n details

resultsmatter1 · 2022-06-29T19:59:50+00:00

What they’ll say: omg it’s noooot

Reality: women are by definition more shallow than men

Katatonicsnake · 2022-06-28T20:43:12+00:00

Of course it matters. There just aren’t that many good looking men to choose from, so some women have to focus on other attributes.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-06-28T20:03:38+00:00

Depends on the woman?

AcanthocephalaNew947 · 2022-06-28T22:14:26+00:00

Buff men will attract a certain type of women.

We’re not a monopoly.

Me personally? I like dad bods, I like something I can grab onto. I’m also a certain type of women.

We’re all different that’s what’s great about attraction. No one thing is going to attract everyone. That’s how you can have a super popular celeb and half say he’s attractive and half say he isn’t. There’s no universal look.

2022-06-28T21:30:53+00:00

0/10

daproest1 · 2022-06-29T01:01:44+00:00

Not as important as the black pillers think.

Ppdebatesomental · 2022-06-29T02:58:11+00:00

My height or taller, and not in the least bit overweight. No fat guys. That’s all. Physical attraction is more about the face for me.

MassageGymnist · 2022-06-29T04:36:06+00:00

The guys in the relationship have been betafied before they’re thrown back out to the wolves

MassageGymnist · 2022-06-29T04:52:00+00:00

I tried to say who cares just lift bro on another post here and got downvoted into a graveyard

rubberbandshooter13 · 2022-06-29T08:54:56+00:00

Good looks help to get a date. They are like the book cover, convincing you to buy the book in the store. But for having a stable, healthy and loving relationship, looks are not that important. I speak from experience. I am not a good looking guy and struggles to get the attention of women. However I succeded once and have been with that women for a long while now. I even asked her about this, she said it's not that important to her, and that attraction comes more from how I make her feel emotionally. For context, I am not ugly either (I think). I have been working out and was in relatively good shape for a while, and now (sadly) I gained a bit of weight etc. I notice no difference in her "attraction behaviour" towards me.

This is anectodal, but since op mentioned he saw a lot of guys who are not in shape in a relationship (and I see this a lot too), this explains it.

AelfredRex · 2022-06-29T11:17:25+00:00

No, it's not necessary. If you have strong positive energy, physique means nothing. You can be ripped to the nines, but still be weak and insecure inside.

Remember, the end goal is to live together. That means compatible personalities, not pretty bodies.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2022-06-29T13:51:50+00:00

There was a Tinder study from last year that showed women are definitely more visual than men. They only "liked" about 5% of men's profiles whereas men liked about 50% of women's profiles.

trololol_daman · 2022-06-29T15:05:11+00:00

If we include height and general skeletal frame as well as muscle I’d say a lot.

panzershark · 2022-06-29T16:00:13+00:00

I think it depends on your definition of what “in shape” means to you.

I like a little bit of fluff tbh. Chest hair is an absolute bonus, but a lot of my girlfriends don’t like it. It’s cozy. I want them to be healthy and capable and that’s what I aim to be as well.

I honestly don’t like super ripped dudes or guys who look like they spend 24/7 in the gym. If you HAVE to wake up at 4 AM every single day and it’s non-negotiable… more power to you, but probably not for me.

MassageGymnist · 2022-06-29T17:55:07+00:00

Fiz Zeak

f_ckupsomecommas · 2022-06-29T18:57:10+00:00

Yeah I’m sure it varies from woman to woman, but if you think you’ll attract a ton of women being an overweight guy you’re shit outta luck. It only helps to have a good physique I think. Sure you might attract SOME women while being overweight, but I’m sure you’ll be limited. If you’re a natural lifter of average to above average height you won’t look too big even if you build a lot of muscle.

2022-06-29T22:45:02+00:00

A lot of these 90% guys in relationships are also getting told by their girl that she's "not in the mood", "he's just a friend". A lot of these girls have been ran over in the past.

bunbunny89 · 2022-06-30T00:46:45+00:00

Looking at some men I've dated in the past, you could say physique was not a factor lol.

I have things I've always preferred in physique but was never a make or break in most cases.

meshsesh · 2022-06-30T04:43:44+00:00

I think very important. That's why the whole every man need do weightlifting, track calories, eat 1g/lbs protein diet advice is plastered everywhere. Also why even teenage men are getting on steroids to be jacked fast so they can have a chance on Tinder.

whoa_thats_edgy · 2022-06-30T23:19:36+00:00

i think it’s just like any other attraction in that everyone has different likes and dislikes. yes the generically attractive person - just like it would be with a woman - is in shape, blonde, long hair, you know the type i mean. but not everyone likes the blonde skinny type. some people like fat people, some people prefer brown hair, etc and i think that goes for both genders regardless of what you hear i see all types of people in relationships all the time - ugly, hot, skinny, fat, old, young.

Blueexpression · 2022-07-01T00:54:35+00:00

It is absolutely true, but you'd have to make up for the deficit with money. For guys, we won't date an ugly fat chick no matter her net worth.

huff-an-puff · 2022-07-01T01:11:17+00:00

I think this is true with men and women. If you’re not obese, you’re in the top 40-20%.

2022-07-01T05:12:40+00:00

It depends for dating or hookups. If you want to hookup then being lean and muscular helps a lot. If you want dating options being lean or slim like a runner is fine.

That’s just generalisations. I love men that can cook, are intelligent, witty, fun, talented (can you sing, write, play sport etc) and kind/compassionate or generous. The worst guys are arrogant and smart. Literally turns girls away fastest than anything look at many STEM guys. I’ve met guys who’s worst enemy in dating was themselves 😂

NFthrowaway8302021 · 2022-07-01T22:47:16+00:00

A lot of people in this sub point to couples where an average or unattractive dude is with a better looking girl, but what they often don't see is how the girl is often cheating/talking to other dudes/ sending thirst traps on social media.

If those girls were dating their looks match/Chads they would get dropped fast for their behavior so they end up with spineless dudes who feel lucky to have a cute girl and don't wanna lose her.

sadbitch55 · 2022-10-24T16:11:02+00:00

Evey person, men and women, have to at least put an effort in their bodies, their hair, etc. There is no excuse to not do it.

Answering your question, as a woman, I find it very appealing men that do some sport, that has muscles in their bodies. Men should stop complaining about what women find attractive and put in the work.

Title	How important is a man's physique to women?
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Date	June 28, 2022 2:22 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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