It's Illogical For Men on this Sub to Blame Women

thetruthishere_ · 2023-10-23T02:35:35+00:00

Going by title alone many men in this sub blame women for Everything.

Do I know some women suck, yup. Just like some men suck.

If every man I dated treated me poorly Im the problem. Not all men are bad but if keep dating bad men I need to self reflect.

Edit, guess what not every man I dated sucked even if we didn't work because not all men suck just like not all women suck.

Cool_Ranch_2511 · 2023-10-23T04:12:00+00:00

Correctly identifying the source and reasons of your dissatisfaction and is pretty much the only logical to do.

What would be illogical would be to identify it and then immediately start making rationalizations for why it’s got to be something else out of fear of being labeled a misogynist or something, which is the mindset people are desperate for men to adopr

Safinated · 2023-10-23T01:57:47+00:00

It is if you have nothing to lose and/or have given up

And they are right, technically speaking. They’re not getting laid because women don’t want to lay them

Teflon08191 · 2023-10-23T04:41:33+00:00

Isn't it kind of illogical to not even be willing to entertain the possibility that sometimes it isn't illogical for men blame women for certain things?

Independent-Mail-227 · 2023-10-23T11:34:17+00:00

Straw man OVER STRAWMAN.

Men will blame women for things such as for caring about looks

Wrong, men will blame women for saying that looks is not as important.

caring about money

Wrong, men don't like a woman seeing a man as a piggybank.

not being nice to socially awkward men

Wrong, men don't want woman to just label any semblance of awkwardness to just shout "muh creep" and ruin a man social life.

not liking cold approaches

Wrong, men don't like the overblow reaction that ingnores the fact there's a human being on the other side of it.

what are you being lied to exactly? Men will respond with vague answers

No, men will aswner very specifically about what, women lie in order to appear angelic beings that do no bad and society backs it up.

This post is utterly garbage from the let go.

Fit_Dark_6918 · 2023-10-23T04:39:12+00:00

Most men on this sub don’t blame women. You want them to because you’re bored and wanna fight.

Electronic_West_1831 · 2023-10-23T06:23:47+00:00

“Why did you sting me?” asked the Frog, “now we’ll both drown!” The Scorpion shrugged. “I’m a Scorpion”, he replied, “it’s what I do.”

It’s illogical to blame women for being women; it doesn’t mean you can’t resent them for it.

TenaciousVillain · 2023-10-23T03:44:43+00:00

I disagree that these are mainly men. We often forget that we share the internet with literal crotch goblins. The most illogical views I've read seemed to have come from very, very young kids who didn't do very well in school and couldn't describe the smell of grass. Their logic is dizzying. I truly hesitate to call them men.

Of course there are men here, but the illogical blaming? It's pretty questionable a lot of the times. I've engaged in and witnessed a few discussions, and the uncontained rage, the all or nothing conclusions, the blaming everyone and the world for every problem in their life, the extreme entitlement, the hatred and dehumanization of women as if women are playstations to be traded -- that comes across as a hormonal, teenaged boy.

Maybe I'm giving too much (or not enough) credit here. But I know men, I befriend men, I work with men, I date men. Yes men have problems, as do women. And some may say, well of course they wouldn't say these things to your face. Nah, I've had in-person debates that's why I'm saying this. Some of the stuff posted is missing basic historical context and the rebuttals are revisionist's history. It's like they woke up in 2013 and decided that's the way it has always been for men and women. Several of my encounters had to have been with teenagers, maybe early 20 year olds.

Someone posted angrily about the different ages here recently, and it holds some truth.

WanabeInflatable · 2023-10-23T06:06:43+00:00

You are right that dictionary definition of feminism is about moral equality and not putting women on pedestal, so that dictionary feminism shouldn't be a root cause of the sad state of relationships between genders.

Yet real feminists often deviate from the dictionary.

Proudvow · 2023-10-23T04:22:05+00:00

But the whole point of feminism is that women are morally equal to men.

But that's actually false. Reality is men and women are different. Denying this is part of the problem.

Men have no problem dating women who are submissive and inferior to them in almost every way. Women would rather die alone than do the same. And if men are mislead about this they'll waste their time trying to appeal to women in ineffective ways.

EuphoricBrightTipper · 2023-10-23T01:19:41+00:00

Why would be illogical for men to blame women but not illogical from women to blame men?

Truth is that you have control about your looks and personality to a point, but if the other gender does not consider you attractive, even if technically there is nothing wrong with you, you will feel resentment and that is expected and natural.

Toxic_LigmaMale · 2023-10-24T13:47:30+00:00

Honestly? It’s our parents and female friend’s fault. We spend our youth being told the the womanizer men are bad, and not to listen to them. But the advice or parents and female friends give is useless at best, and detrimental at worst. Then we spend our youth following this bad advice, and realize the “womanizer” was the one that knew how to get the women all along. That’s what men are really getting at when we say we were “lied to”. It’s just buried so deep, they don’t really know where they originally got it.

abaxeron · 2023-10-23T11:18:51+00:00

However...what are you being lied to exactly?

Mary Wollstonecraft lied when she said that educating girls in mixed schools will make them "better wives"; what we got instead is all-time-high divorce-to-marriage ratio.

Rosika Schwimmer lied that "[female] suffrage, when it does come, will end all wars"; what we got instead was WW2.

Betty Friedan lied that Equal Pay Act will make women financially independent, resulting in more prosperous families formed out of mutual love and respect.

Simone de Beauvoir lied that widely allowing women access to abortion and encouraging childlessness will not cause demographic problems, but will result in a "true brotherhood" between men and women. We have no "true brotherhood" but we have demographic problems, with women in the US alone terminating enough pregnancies every year to populate a small-to-middle sized state.

Highly overlapping with suffragists/feminists, Temperance Movement lied that prohibition will solve the problem of violence.

You are lying right now when you're saying "the whole point of feminism is that women are morally equal to men".

Enough? More? Okay, more:

64,000 female respondents of Ideal Partner Survey lied when they listed "kindness" as the most important trait to look for in a partner; nationwide data of one of the most feminist nations on Earth shows that men inclined to criminal behavior have more sex, enter more marriages, and have more children than their law-abiding counterparts, and violent criminals have advantage over thieves. https://gwern.net/doc/genetics/selection/2014-yao.pdf

Women who say that women prefer to stay single and childless and WOULD HAVE started a family if men were not such useless manbabies who can't even clean after themselves - are lying, as men have been spending more time on paid and unpaid labor combined for the majority of years we have data on, and as of 2011, men were doing full one-third of all domestic chores, while spending less time sleeping, and while 23% of American married women between college and retirement have zero wage income.

Women who say that they don't have kids because they can't afford them financially are lying because low fertility in developed countries shows zero sensitivity to how much a household spends on children.

Women who say that they would have had more kids if men helped around with them more are lying, because fertility rate and men's involvement in child care are correlated negatively.

Women who accuse men against abortion of wanting society to have lots of single mothers are lying, as single motherhood is correlated positively with abortion rates.

More? Cuz I have more.

Okay, one more: women mentioning domestic chores as affecting their dating or family life choices in any way are lying, as domestic chores load on women is lower than ever.

Civil-Guarantee-6652 · 2023-10-23T02:26:30+00:00

However...what are you being lied to exactly? Men will respond with vague answers like "feminism" or blue pill ideology etc. But the whole point of feminism is that women are morally equal to men.

Feminism’s goal was to have equal rights under the law for women, which they already achieved 40 years ago. Now women are not only exempt from the draft, but also get lesser punishment than a man for the exact same crime under the law, preferential family court treatment, get better job opportunities than men in STEM for the same experience level, better dating lives as well as have preferential treatment in mental health and service industries.

Despite all this, the only problem men have is women LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH about their preferences till their last breath about how it’s all personality and looks don’t matter while simultaneously complaining about their attractive abusive boyfriends and husbands.

Here’s a great analogy: I get that they don’t wanna appear shallow, but gaslighting men and yourselves into thinking that way seems so like the equivalent of telling men approaching you that you have a boyfriend out of fear of the potential harm the rejection could cause. The experienced man knows it’s a lie and that it was either his looks that was the problem, but the inexperienced one will truly believe you would be down if it weren’t for your boyfriend. Knowing the truth later will cause him to develop deep resentment for lying to him, cuz he now has zero control over what he could have done.

And when the reason he’s single is because of women gaslighting him into thinking “looks dont matter, being fat is ok, muh body positivity BS”, then you’ll be damn well sure he’s going to blame women for wasting his precious time.

It's common sense, she has literally no connection to you, she does not know you at all, you do not know her at all, and suddenly you are asking her on a date when you have nothing to do with each other. Why are you interested in a romantic relationship with her? Obviously to the woman, there is no logical reason, so she will assume you are only asking her for sex and will walk away grossed out. Then guys will go scratching their heads wondering why this approach doesn't work and immediately think it's the woman's fault. So essentially, they blame women for being shallow and caring about looks, yet they are the ones who only care about looks and want to approach women based off of that rather than that woman's connection to them.

Ah, there you go, literally demonstrating the gaslighting I just mentioned. The existence of dating apps where women only go for the top 10% of men makes this even more hilarious cuz your underlying implication is that women will assume men only want sex for asking a stranger out on a dinner date after complimenting her and “get grossed out by it”. As if they cared about “connection” when swiping and hooking up with those men on the apps lmao.

when you approach a stranger, you literally CANNOT know anything else apart from their looks. You can’t call men shallow for that, because plenty of men will stop dating a woman they cold approached if she reveals a terrible personality on the date or during the interaction. A shallow man wouldn’t care either way and would continue to be with her (massive difference)

gothiccbitch · 2023-10-23T05:21:09+00:00

They way these men describe their unfortunate lack of dating/sex lives and encounters with women you’d think they look like actual inhuman monsters. I feel like 9/10 times they just need to get a better sense of style, embrace balding or have a good barber, develop a skincare routine, hit the gym and for the love of god limit their screen time especially porn. They aren’t realistic and lusting over the women that make them hate themselves is counterproductive. it’s not nearly as bad as they make it out to be. hell i know broke men, mid men who don’t do any of these things consistently and still pull women because they aren’t off-putting weirdos or chronically online. men on reddit aren’t the average dude lol these are people on the verge of extreme self-deprecating nature. Of course it’s become about blaming women to, they have to be mad at someone because accountability is harder.

obviousredflag · 2023-10-23T10:02:11+00:00

It's logical in their world view, because they a priori exclude themselves as the reason for their lack of sex and relationship, so who remains? Women or other men. Other men are scary and realizing that they are outcompeting oneself is a painful thought to deal with. Realizing that 90% of men (18-29yo) have sex in a given year, while oneself is sexless for 5+ years is painful, because it means one is defective and undesirable. So the only "logical" way to go is: assume that MOST men suffer one's own fate and that WOMEN are the reason why. Everything else would mean feeling even worse about oneself than already.

OtPayOkerSmay · 2023-10-23T03:04:22+00:00

The only issues I have can be segregated to a class of individually bad women, but among them there are common traits that I dislike; and, for Pete's sake, there are a lot of bad women out there.

ROBYoutube · 2023-10-23T04:36:22+00:00

Open question: Has blaming someone fixed your life in any way?

George69143 · 2023-10-23T06:03:29+00:00

Men and women care about looks. The bar is just heigher for men. Studies show most men are unattractive to women. Sure some of this is our own fault. But the numbers show 80% of men are unattractive, ok, so not all of those guys are fat super ugly or don’t take showers (etc.) so at a certain point you are at the mercy of your own genetics. I think a lot of time men who point out this simple fact seem like we’re blaming women but in reality we are blaming human nature. Women are wired to only want the top men and that’s why most men are unattractive to them.

MacaronFinancial · 2023-10-23T09:08:17+00:00

Regarding your last paragraph; it is not always possible for people to extensively interview the ones they are attracted to. Assuming that the man is just 'asking for sex' is a defect on the part of the woman. The man is still screening her just as much as she is screening him.

Also feminism and equality are not the same thing. Feminism since the 20th century is a largely ((((Abrahamic))) operation to drive a wedge between men and women by making women suspicious of men.

Science starts with a hypothesis where you try to see if the facts support your hypothesis. Feminism is a polemical, combative ideology that starts with a truth and selectively collects facts to support the idea that men are loving life and women's lives suck. It does not matter if a feminist sees her brother being beaten to death in front of her eyes; in her eyes it's "patriarchy" which is the same as "men" but she does not have the balls to say it.

Dertross · 2023-10-23T10:31:18+00:00

If strict rationality was an option I would be asexual. It's not, so I succumb and accept other irrationalities as well.

babazuki · 2023-10-23T01:32:32+00:00

It's illogical to blame women for ....? For what?

Women are not to blame for the specific man being single if he is single? Women are not to blame for the general state of the dating and relationship climate? Is it just the specific situation you mentioned about cold approaches? Or are women just not supposed to be blamed for anything ever? They just always do everything right and should never carry accountability for anything in society?

What is it illogical to blame women for?

_Remember_me_not_ · 2023-10-23T16:23:04+00:00

It's like women do not blame men for all the evils in the world, especially, for their own incompetence, failures and inability to take accountability as an adult. This post is as ironic and idiotic as it gets. Men no longer blame women for anything in the western society, it's already past that stage a long time ago; there are few posts here and there but the majority are only observations which will help men navigate through all the hoops that is the current societal "standards" and avoid traps such as loose women, single mothers, hyper radicalized women etc.,

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2023-10-23T18:30:58+00:00

Men will blame women for things such as for caring about looks, caring about money, not being nice to socially awkward men, not liking cold approaches etc, but then when someone makes the post, "Why do you blame women?"

Your missing the point that is oh so oftently missed here, Moderation is key. Everything about life is always about moderation, if you eat to many carrots you will turn orange and die.

Especially now with current days individualism in society, everyone seems to forget to moderate their requirements in a partner, this is further pushed by the "yess queen" mentality that female group oh so often have. Moreover, I find that women tend to be way worse due to any guy saying boo about a requirement or how many they have is automatically a misogynist without any question.

I think having moderated preferences and requirements is totally fine and healthy, I think shaming unrealistic requirements is a part of society to help people moderate what is actually obtainable. (Note by shaming I mean showing/expressing disagreement and distant, not necessary putting them on blast. Ie saying something like "your never going to fine a partner like that, I would take a look at what you really want" or not being a shoulder to cry on when they get lonely etc, because 0.001% of the population matches what they want and they can't find anyone).

Being lied to is one thing, however, in my eyes, is does deserve a public shaming when someone has an ego so large that they feel entitled enough to demand that they, or their sex/gender, is exempt from certain social standards where everyone else if without good reasons (Ie a complete lack of double standards).

For example, men saying they like and will only date women with large boobs and show little to no regard to women with not large boobs is considered a creep/incel/misogynist, but a woman saying that about a man's height is generally accepted because "it's a preference".

The needle of moderation is completely out of wack. We see this with everyone telling men they need to increase their standards because they are fair to low and we continue to see this by everyone also telling women do lower their standards because they are fair to heigh.

Razieloo · 2023-10-23T09:38:40+00:00

Agree

Ok_Cantaloupe2159 · 2023-10-23T13:39:45+00:00

We either on top of the women, or the women are on top. Once they get full liberties, they run the society because men pay for everything related to their sexuality like e.g. onlyfans.

You have men traveling hundreds of kilometers to visit their girlfriends who would break immediately if they were asked to travel 50/50.

You have men working 60 hours and spending every extra buck they get trying to get a woman. And you can’t say they are wrong, because the population is declining and people aren’t happy.

In short, equality means free choice, which means that men will automatically choose to chase women and women will decide to ignore them. It would automatically translate into slavery of the men, which is already what we have nowadays in the West.

SmallSituation6432 · 2023-10-23T10:04:50+00:00

Yes. And nobody will listen because trying to point out a 'hard truth' like this will just incite angry men to give their own 'hard truth' that is comically stupid and selfish. They bring a knife to bar fight and then are shocked when people think they are psychotic.

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Lina-Inverse · 2023-10-23T14:42:06+00:00

I agree it is illogical to blame women for caring about looks and money and not being nice to socially awkward men.

I think it is is more what women say is very very different from what they do.(which is precisely why it is commonly said in redpill circles, don't listen to what women say, observe what they do)

The frustration mainly comes from women saying X then men observing that actually the truth is often the literal opposite.

Silly advice like "Don't cold approach" or "Don't cold approach at X" Where if you look at the places various women list it will eventually include almost every location in existence.

They will say "women aren't that visual" when we all know looks is probably the most important factor because it affects the perception of ones other attributes.

If a charismatic Chad approached these women and they were single most of them would not recoil in horror and run away angry that Chad just wants sex, many will either not even care, or will give the good looking guy the benefit of the doubt that his intentions aren't just sex. Fat/short ugly guys will be much more likely to be automatically assumed to be creeps just looking for sex even if they are just as charismatic.

"Hey I think you are really pretty, can I get your number and take you out to dinner sometime?", most women will feel extremely weirded out by that. It's common sense, she has literally no connection to you, she does not know you at all, you do not know her at all, and suddenly you are asking her on a date when you have nothing to do with each other. Why are you interested in a romantic relationship with her?

1/ You don't cold approach and ask women out to dinner! That's insane. In fact a first date should never be dinner unless it is someone you already know reasonably well

2/ The whole point of a cold approach is to get to know each other, saying they are pretty is fine, but there are other ways. (but sometimes it is best to let the intention be known up front)

3/ Why would she think you are interested in a romantic relationship with her, that's not logical at all. There is physical attraction and the goal is to find out if there is something more than that.

You can just grab a coffee nearby. If you are at a mall, invite them to help you pick out some clothes if you see they are shopping for clothes or some accessories or skin products if they seem interested in that. These are all things most if not all women have an interest in. The aim is to also find out if she is also someone you are interested in.

Not just run up to random women and say hey you're pretty lets go for dinner!

Only a desperate guy would be willing to invest the time to get ready and then commit to spend 1-2 hrs face to face stuck with someone they know nothing about.

EsotericRonin · 2023-10-23T14:45:48+00:00

I agree. Any truly red pilled man will not blame a woman for being a woman.

giveuporfindaway · 2023-10-24T02:17:58+00:00

It's debatable whether it's logical to blame sociopaths.

SteveSan82 · 2023-10-25T05:31:46+00:00

Only virgins say that. Women love cold approaches and women don’t care about looks as much as they think

Rare-Emu-119 · 2023-10-30T03:03:59+00:00

They are venting and understandably frustrating. Let them be.

Title	It's Illogical For Men on this Sub to Blame Women
Author	yuriw99
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Date	October 22, 2023 11:20 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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