Guys should start denying women sex, stop being too available for them and start treating them back, exactly they way women treated you.

Aafan_Barbarro · 2023-11-17T09:24:58+00:00

Are you asking someone who was fired to quit?

zoxzoxzo · 2023-11-17T10:18:05+00:00

Majority of guys don't even have a chance of denying women sex. Those that do won't be doing it.

We can debate whether or not this should be done, but ultimately it's not a realistic scenario.

Electronic_West_1831 · 2023-11-17T10:04:13+00:00

This is MGTOW - “you can’t fire me, I quit!”

_Chaos_And_Horny_ · 2023-11-17T09:41:02+00:00

Sure, be the one who changed while 99.99% don't. The maximum one can do is gtow, which only affects one's own life, as it should.

ChadHairDay · 2023-11-17T11:11:24+00:00

Good idea. Signed, a woman.

obviousredflag · 2023-11-17T10:07:40+00:00

For example we know how women get to choose from a lot of different guys. So usually, even an average women gets to go out, bang a lot of dudes and later find a decent guy to settle down with...which is not the case in many guys life...In many cases the decent guy was rejected and humiliated by women like her, for a number of factors.

The error you make, is to assume you are a decent guy. You THINK you are just "unlucky" and receive bad treatment for "no apparent reason", because you don't understand how you are not a decent guy.

You are asking for the very typical, and posted here every day, revenge fantasy of rejecting the women because of how they rejected you.

Such guys should unite and never give women a chance again. The women should start feeling the pain of not being even given a choice coupled with the feeling of rejection and nobody to accept them.

No, they already have that situation right now. They don't feel the pain of not being with "such guys".

That'll teach them.

Which is your ultimate goal: you want women to accept you, even if you are not a decent guy. and you want to achieve that by punishment, withdrawal of a resource they don't want to have to begin with.

It's a ridiculous fantasy that you and "such guys" come up with every day and think they need to post it here, so women read that and "fear" this might actually happen, so they change their behavior without men needing to restrict them in a resource they don't want.

They should've had that in mind, when they've been sleeping with every guy they could see and rejecting and projecting their egos onto unlucky men. Now as a consequence, we reject you back.

You are rejecting women who don't want you to begin with.

Paliant · 2023-11-17T12:11:54+00:00

I mean we should all refrain from stealing, lying, or hurting others for selfish reasons. Unfortunately humans are fallible and all it takes is one bad actor to ruin a situation.

And the other reason why this won’t happen is because there’s no solidarity in male sexuality. It’s always been a competition of under-bidding / out-competing one another. Individual people can refrain from whatever they want, it’s holistically irrelevant if somebody else is willing to do it or undercut.

Lenovo_Driver · 2023-11-17T10:40:12+00:00

So this is the emotional revenge driven and deranged red pilled rant of the day?

All these reads as is another unsuccessful dude projecting his failures onto “decent” guys

kalashhhhhhhh · 2023-11-17T14:11:59+00:00

Stop viewing "women" and "men" as one singular entity.

What do I, for example, have to do with some girl who rejected you 5 years ago? If you have a problem with someone, go be petty to that person. I'm not her, I'm not closer to her than you or Obama or whoever.

Guys should stop pursuing and sleeping with women they don't find attractive. Or not. He can sleep with whomever he wants.

And so can you. You're free to ignore women or be celibate if you want to.

Just let other people live.

Sorcha16 · 2023-11-17T14:20:04+00:00

Lovely idea, it aint ever gonna happen.

neverendingplush · 2023-11-17T17:13:12+00:00

Lmao what

RepresentativeBook62 · 2023-11-17T18:29:32+00:00

'In many cases the decent guy was rejected and humiliated by women like her, for a number of factors."

Why is rejection so humiliating? I don't see women out here humiliating men who approach them. They might act disinterested. They might act standoffish. But never outright mean. So where is the humiliation exactly?

A woman failing to reciprocate your attraction for her shouldn't be humiliating.

Early_Inspector988 · 2023-11-17T09:29:58+00:00

Absolutely guys, if you don't like the game then stop playing!

ComfortableJeans · 2023-11-17T10:28:00+00:00

Men shouldn't tap out entirely. They should just be more selective and prioritise relationships over banging ever girl they can.

Men tend to go for quantity sex than quality relationship sex.

If men didn't have shit nothing standards and would sling it up any pig with a bad personality, the dating situation wouldn't be in the position it is now.

It's mens lack of standards that fucked everything up.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2023-11-17T12:01:44+00:00

Yeah dude chad will stop a behavior that he enjoys and suffer no consequences of, smh

sometimesthisisweird · 2023-11-17T15:55:33+00:00

even an average women gets to go out, bang a lot of dudes

How many women do you really think are going and banging that much?

NothingOrAllLife · 2023-11-18T02:39:59+00:00

Wait why are you still engaging with women who have turned you down, treated you poorly or otherwise shown that they have no interest in you as a person?

Or are you suggesting men who get rejected or something treat all women as though they’ve personally hurt them in the past?

No-Refrigerator3350 · 2023-11-17T13:50:53+00:00

As a woman this sounds great.

thedarkracer · 2023-11-17T11:16:23+00:00

The only way this is possible if guys don't have a high libido. So unless you can make a pill or a medical procedure which removes this thing. It will not be possible.

KayRay1994 · 2023-11-17T15:10:28+00:00

This comes off as too spiteful and it won’t exactly fix anything - but there is a sliver of truth here; ie. don’t be too available and don’t actively settle for anything. That being said, you can do that and avoid playing these dumb games as well - ie. do what feels right for you, if you like someone or if you’re interested, be genuine, if you’re not, don’t settle out of a fear of loneliness or low self worth - but don’t reject or deny as a weird form of revenge.

Familiesarenations · 2023-11-17T19:58:31+00:00

Fine by me. I think nearly all women want fewer rather than more dicks in their lives. Gotta try before you buy, though. I think you guys see us "settling down" from a male perspective, not a female one. Actually you see it from an abnormal male perspective, one that doesn't date or understand how people end up in long term relationships.

TSquaredRecovers · 2023-11-17T21:09:49+00:00

This is a phenomenal revenge fantasy. Well done on the creativity.

Do you honestly think the women who don’t want anything to do with you now are suddenly going to be pining over you in a few years? The answer to that is no.

I’m sorry the manosphere has sold you and other desperate men this lie that women will be waiting for men like you at the finish line, but it’s just a fantasy. With this atrocious attitude, it’s clear that this has been part of your problem (similar to other men who think like you). Your unwillingness to change your attitude and views on women will continue to hurt your prospects with women. The sooner you realize that, the better.

CrankySnowman · 2023-11-17T21:58:18+00:00

I feel bad for the one redditor that takes this seriously and ruins his only shot.

Razieloo · 2023-11-17T22:53:08+00:00

“Guys are sending job requests and aren’t getting any answers? Start sending EVEN LESS requests! Genius!”

Moon-on-my-mind · 2023-11-17T18:13:15+00:00

Absolutely yes, guys please do this. I agree and approve of this message.

Lina-Inverse · 2023-11-17T12:33:02+00:00

This has to be a troll post.

Right?

lvoncreek · 2023-11-17T14:29:40+00:00

Ok start then

januaryphilosopher · 2023-11-17T11:22:23+00:00

So, because some women, likely very hot ones everyone else was chasing, rejected you, you're going to sabotage yourself as some kind of revenge on completely different women? Great plan, not petty and useless at all. I'm sure it will make men very fulfilled. (Also, this "bad treatment" tends to boil down to...having sex with people who aren't you in particular? How is that even wrong?)

SleepyPoemsin2020 · 2023-11-17T14:21:54+00:00

Ah yes. The incel rage of treating all people from group x (women) a certain way to make them feel your pain based upon rejection from people within that group.

Getting treated poorly by a few dudes or rejected - a part of life - doesn't automatically make me want to get revenge on all of male kind. Such crazy, entitled thinking rofl.

Schmurby · 2023-11-17T16:03:24+00:00

This is like Lysistrata for men.

Interesting…

Finding_Myway · 2023-11-17T19:58:06+00:00

Yeah, no the women will just go get it from someone else and it won't be hard. The male version of this is more about giving them sex but not committing.

flextov · 2023-11-18T07:48:45+00:00

I’m not available for sex. Women aren’t complaining. Peaceful coexistence achieved.

AceOfSpadesGymBro2 · 2023-11-17T11:56:13+00:00

People never want what they can get and always want what they can't get.

A desperate, needy, average guy is what any woman can get and therefore nobody wants them. If only guys found some kind of a purpose or mission in life that doesn't revolve around women and vagina, they might stand a chance. But alas. Most men see woman as the key holding goddess. The one that holds the key to his happiness, his confidence, him having a bigger dick, a better job, his peers' and parents' respect or even envy.

Well guys( that goddess exists only in your imagination.

Cethlinnstooth · 2023-11-17T09:44:51+00:00

I too agree that men should start being less needy, less clingy, and start doing the dishes and laundry.

SeveralLiterature980 · 2023-11-17T09:32:12+00:00

This isn't going to work.

The only women who put up with this behavior are across or beneath you.

The women who subject you to the behavior (at least see themselves as) across or above you.

So good job. You're punching down and literally punching down and not getting actual revenge anyway.

But hey, let's assume your great aspiration in life isn't to be a bully, and that you improve yourself to the point where the women across from you and beneath you USED to be the same ones who were above you. So great, you make her feel like shit.

They should've had that in mind, when they've been sleeping with every guy they could see and rejecting and projecting their egos onto unlucky men. Now as a consequence, we reject you back.

Women don't think like this. They won't learn whatever lesson you're trying to teach them. The only thing you'll get out of this is the (admitted) high of exerting power over someone else.

But you'll realize that, because you did the self-improvement, your feelings toward this woman have changed. She used to be this great hot amazing chick, but now that you're better and have options at her level, you don't feel that way anymore. All you're doing is punching down again, really.

Guys should walk the fuck away until they can figure out how and under what conditions they can love women again. They'll probably be narrow af but it's important. Then they can return and build their lives and only let women who meet those conditions into their lives.

thedarkracer · 2023-11-17T11:16:33+00:00

The only way this is possible if guys don't have a high libido. So unless you can make a pill or a medical procedure which removes this thing. It will not be possible.

LMS_THEORY_ · 2023-11-17T14:04:08+00:00

I disagree with withholding sex but definitely reduce availability if the woman you're courting is less available than you are, ghost you, don't respond to texts or doesn't communicate. She could not be interested so you just move on. Or even worse, using the man for validation but not seriously considering a relationship. Most times she won't even tell you and just string you along.

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-11-17T19:22:31+00:00

As an MGTOW I don't pay women much attention, I'm far more focused on myself and hobbies and interests.

Time is a precious thing the older you get so I wouldn't waste it chasing unicorns! 🦄

Safinated · 2023-11-17T19:55:21+00:00

They should, and will not. Because they want what they want

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-11-17T22:39:23+00:00

Ok 🤣🤣

Dstar538888 · 2023-11-18T03:38:52+00:00

Hahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣

TelevisionMelodic340 · 2023-11-18T03:39:11+00:00

Ok, dude. It's better with other women anyway so no great loss? Thanks for playing tho.

Visual-Possible-3239 · 2023-11-18T04:58:00+00:00

This is very, very stupid. Collective action by all men against women because this worm feels like he may at some point be rejected or worse "humilliated"? How is this even being taken seriously by anyone over the age of 16 who has any life experience at all?

Taking kids like this seriously just leads to more of this nonsense.

FFS, the premise of this is so silly that one does not even need to get to how unrealistic this proposal is to see that it is complete and utter gobshitary.

Oh the upside, it is easy to translate into something that can be understood universally, here you go: waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

NefariousnessLife220 · 2023-11-18T13:29:58+00:00

Go for it, dude! You think women are going to care and somehow change for you?

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-11-19T00:24:52+00:00

Isn’t this what a lot of men are currently doing?

Medium_Listen_9004 · 2023-11-17T09:53:03+00:00

Sounds effeminate.

If you're not attracted to women, just say so. It's okay to like who you like, granted you're not violating their personal sovereignty.

But this sounds like some bitter saltiness over being rejected by women. Nothing wrong with being a "loser" but being a sore loser is totally unacceptable IMO.

Some people just won't like you no matter how "nice" you are or how much "effort" you put in. People just like who they like and that's their right.

Just deal with the women that are receptive to your advances and let the others live their lives.

abaxeron · 2023-11-17T15:53:17+00:00

No-no-no-no-no, false comparison. I think guys should start denying women everything else.

Remember that quote that Twitter thots reposted from each other several years ago? "Women don't owe you shit. Not a smile, not a hello, not a glance, not sympathy, not a single second of their time. Not attention, not a hug, not a thought, not a laugh, not a reply. Not their body, not their mind." - This should be the template.

No tips - financial or advisory. No free labor. No borrowed tools; go rent some. No borrowed money; go take a loan. No rent-free couches. No marriage. No joint bank account. No joint loans. No permission to use our cars. No sales bonuses; go away and tell your male colleague sales manager to come over.

If in some area men collectively decide to "drain the swamp" of female entitlement, women will just take a weekend bus.

nonplussedminus · 2023-11-17T09:49:54+00:00

I stopped being a simp and it's probably the best thing I've ever done for myself. Saves you so much time and women find you more attractive because they hate doormats more than anything. The guys who are going "noooo you don't understand, I HAVE to be a simp" aren't getting it.

Odd-Luck7658 · 2023-11-17T11:05:45+00:00

This is a bad idea.

PrecisionHat · 2023-11-17T14:49:31+00:00

It would send a message, but I think we just are too selfish to make it happen. We want what we want and that is what gives women this abudmndance of choice and sexual power.

What you are asking is basically like asking most people to just deny capitalism, for example. There is too much fomo for that to actually catch on

8m3gm60 · 2023-11-17T22:08:42+00:00

They already do, just to older women.

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DreaminInChocolate · 2023-11-17T12:23:21+00:00

But most often, it is that the dude was just unlucky and recieved bad treatment from women for no apparent reason. So he doesn't owe women anything. Such guys should unite and never give women a chance again.The women should start feeling the pain of not being even given a choice coupled with the feeling of rejection and nobody to accept them. Also they will loose again and again and never get to be with nobody even after trying and putting in all the effort.That'll teach them.

Those women might become upset that they can't find a long term partner, but they will never not have access to casual sex.

Toxic_LigmaMale · 2023-11-17T18:18:19+00:00

You’re right. But that’s not gonna happen. I know I’ve only denied the ugly ones.

OtPayOkerSmay · 2023-11-17T18:54:43+00:00

Denying women sex in the age of hookup culture, early on at least, is a very decent way to get women looking to settle to reveal major red flags.

Pussy is a drug, and the quicker they get you hooked the quicker they can pull the wool over your eyes. If you are taking escalation at your own speed, they will jump to manipulation tactics like shaming (calling you gay, etc.); and then you know very early on that you are dealing with a Disney Princess who is only out for herself, who you should probably move on from.

Fourthgood_Martial · 2023-11-18T05:40:06+00:00

Men going their own way.

You literally described men going their own way.

Also, impretty sure that the women will just end up screwing each other.

Think_Brilliant3517 · 2023-11-18T10:45:26+00:00

Denying sex does more harm to you than to her and besides that it's not really a good thing to do in a loving relationship

YearnsToDestroySun · 2023-11-18T11:28:34+00:00

meh, I'm hot republican, lol.

I umm...ya turn down women heh.

like animals just fuck what they can get lol

Cotehill · 2023-11-18T14:15:06+00:00

Welcome to MGTOW

depressed_apple20 · 2023-11-18T15:59:17+00:00

The only men who are going to do that, are men who are sexually frustrated and can't reject a girl in the first place, because no girl considers them an option. For example me, I'm a 21yo virgin and I think I'm going to die a virgin, and me refusing to sleep with women wouldn't change anything.

Maybe we should start giving less respect to men who can have sex with many women, that could change something because it will give them less power, although it wouldn't be enough. Women have an unfair sexual priviledge that they have NOT earned and they will never understand how it feels to be an untouchable dalit in the sexual aspect of life, they call us needy and sexually frustrated but the only reason they aren't needy is because they are sexually priviledged, but I don't think they would do better than us in our position.

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