Redpillers I know IRL are losers

Alone_Ambition_3729 · 2025-10-14T04:22:03+00:00

The causation you’re implying is probably backwards. The most attractive and privileged guys don’t need an ideology to do well with women and succeed in their career. It’s guys who struggle that look for ideologies or lifehacks to improve their lives.

I myself am a pretty moderate; I considered using the Purple flair. But if someone looked at me as a shining example of the RP they’d say I’m a loser. I’m a shlubby nerd with a grotesque birth defect. But when I was bluepill I was so lonely, and so miserable. The redpill got me a respectable career and a beautiful and caring girlfriend.

NiaNia-Data · 2025-10-14T04:07:15+00:00

You described very average men, like they are average. what's the big deal? You said it yourself. being at the bottom of any hierarchy stirs animosity towards those above. I don't think that is exclusive to dating. I've actually heard the top of the hierarchy are equally as misogynistic, because they can have any women they want.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-10-14T14:22:59+00:00

And how did you confirm this ?

Just_Alternative3167 · 2025-10-14T10:26:20+00:00

confirmed redpillers

How do you know?

berichorbeburied · 2025-10-14T07:33:27+00:00

Why would someone tell you they are redpill?

When that could be financial or political or social or romantic suicide?

It would have to be someone that doesn’t care about the ramifications. Which would either be someone bigger than the low. Or someone that doesn’t care and has nothing to lose.

Because it’s not smart to openly go against pc culture which is dominated by women

asb3s7 · 2025-10-14T04:14:33+00:00

All redpillers start as blue pill. Red pill is just realization of the truth. Not every redpiller chooses to improve themselves. Many unsuccessful men who are blue pill are the same way. I.e. all “nice guys” who genuinely believe a woman’s words of “just be nice” are blue pill losers as well.

Getting in shape is one of the most common parts of redpill advice . If they weren’t doing even that bit then they weren’t following even the most basic forms of self help. This post means absolutely nothing. It doesn’t mean redpill techniques don’t work, just that these people didn’t want to help themselves and happened to be redpill. The same argument could be made for anyone who doesn’t identify as redpill.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2025-10-14T04:43:04+00:00

My experience isn't entirely dissimilar to yours. TRP attracts nerds, geeks, weirdos etc.

But your contempt towards them actually *proves TRP (and Blackpill to a degree)*. TRP literally says "women find nerds sexually repulsive and nerds are at the bottom of the masculinity hierarchy, so if you want to be fuckable you need to learn to mimic/pretend to be non-nerdy." Your observation doesn't invalidate TRP at all.

Indeed, the fact you think "ewww, nerds" invalidates TRP actually proves just how strong the Horn Effect is and how at least some of the hostility towards TRP actually comes not from disagreement with its substance but rather The Ick towards people it is associated with.

stats135 · 2025-10-14T04:27:22+00:00

I somewhat agree here, but with two HUGE caveats.

As others have said here, these are just normal people, not "losers". Last I checked, something like 70% of Americans are overweight and can't afford $1000 for an emergency. So not being in shape, being okay looking, and holding a boring job is just your average joe.
There is the issue of time horizon. Most of the time the reason they are the way they are, is because they have no incentive structure to be otherwise. They (mistakenly) thought "being themselves" was good enough. Once they become RPed and learn the truth, some might think it not worth it and MGTOW, but most embark on the self improvement journey. The realization that women are just as if not more shallow than men, pushes them to the gym, The realization that women are hypergamous pushes them in their careers.

-Kalos · 2025-10-14T04:18:30+00:00

It's not that redpill makes people losers, it's that losers are attracted to redpill

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-10-14T06:44:26+00:00

People who are succeeding in a system are less likely to be interested in alternative or suppressed truths or whatever.

Yes. TRP and the manosphere have been corrupted like everything on the Internet. The solution is to stop suppressing the truths TRP was aiming at revealing. Candid and honest conversations from women that are aimed at just describing the truth, not at manipulating things towards some outcome that has already been decided.

N_Count_Council · 2025-10-14T09:43:37+00:00

I am a man and don't know any confirmed redpillers in real life, how are you discovering this information? I know a ton of guys and not a single one has admitted it; one guy who is married has told me he watches a little bit of Joe Rogan (Idk if you're just claiming Rogan fans are redpillers?)

andrew166251 · 2025-10-14T06:29:35+00:00

I know two different types of red-pilled men. The first is a mix of SOF vets, highly educated, or former college athletes. Some are a mix of two or three of these working high status white collar jobs, or are on their way to do so. The second is cops and firefighters who also work as part-time soldiers. But those are the only groups of dudes I interact with.

All these dudes play video games, eat pizza, and watch porn. The success they have with women is varied, but none of them are outright incels. The degree of success they have with women correlates highly with height up until around 5’7”; after that, it seems like face is king.

OMWSpuds · 2025-10-14T08:48:45+00:00

Men who are naturally successful with women utilize general RP strategies and approach without thinking about it. They do self-improvement, have good social skills, do a good job of projecting value and status in their circles or cold-approach situations or say a nightlife environment with potentials of strangers meeting and hooking up.

The difference is between these men who naturally or consciously have achieved what RP prescribes vs men who are in a bad enough position due mostly to social or developmental issues and disorders, state of mind etc to resort to paying for RP training courses and spending most of their time rotting in front of grifting videos. It is sad and ironic it's these types of men who are least likely to ever pull off RP strategies convincingly.

anonymousppd123123 · 2025-10-14T04:31:15+00:00

i remember at some point someone on tbp posted a guide for how to find if the man you're dating is a redpiller. it was pretty good and would sniff me out. item 1 was obsessed with the gym, absolutely will not compromise on making time to work out or eating right

2/3 aren't in shape

l.o.l.

Mission-Jicama-8747 · 2025-10-14T04:31:27+00:00

I work in tech and for what it's worth, many of us hate your guts.

I suppose you could throw the "loser" insult still but, if someone makes more money and has greater impact the rest is pretty immaterial.

Knight-Bishop · 2025-10-14T05:49:40+00:00

Let me tell you a secret, OP- YOU are average at best as well. You aren’t above/any different than the men you just described.

And your attitude (i.e., an average woman calling men average when SHE herself is average) is precisely why the Godfather Saint Kevin Samuel’s went mega viral & shook the very foundations of this Earth.

https://youtu.be/VI6XWGKvUrE?si=KQPmAda9zIAkB2fP

Historic, indeed…

RIP to Kevin Samuels, the Godfather.

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But keep on with your lil attitude, OP.

Women like you (& y’all’s behavior) will create the NEXT VIRAL HIT that is surely right around the corner from a new content creator. It’s been a minute since a mega hit came around the corner. It’s surely coming.

Doesn’t it ever get old trying to double down?

It’s time to wave the white flag 🏳️, ladies. It’s over. Just change & do something weird like be better human beings & the RP will eventually somewhat fade into the horizon.

Ah, cry some more OP— the RP shall continue to be spread. Sorry you don’t like the TRUTH.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH

SexCrispies · 2025-10-14T07:09:37+00:00

I do not know any losers in general, much less their views on human mating dynamics. Everyone i know, both men and women understand basic concepts about human mating that make them red pilled, rather than blue pilled. Even the feminists among the women do understand that and put in effort to increase their mate value to get access to better men.

Kreeps_United · 2025-10-14T14:53:27+00:00

I'm not surprised that anyone who talks redpill stuff IRL is like this, but I'd caution against inadvertantly sending young men over to them.

I remember reading about a study how the highest amount of misogyny was displayed by men who already felt in the bottom of the hierarchy - while top men usually welcome women and treat them much better. Basically, the need to bash women comes from needing to feel superior to anyone, but not having enough skills to be superior to fellow men, making women the target.

I get how a woman can come to that conclusion, but the anger at feeling at the bottom isn't always about wanting to feel superior to anyone, just not wanting to be mistreated or looked down on. As much as I hate the alt-right and the manosphere, I'm not the least bit surprised that the men choose that over the people who tell they're bad people for struggling in the first place.

Here's an article about a boy who fell down the alt-right pipeline.

pyroblastftw · 2025-10-14T17:18:13+00:00

There’s nothing in a redpill framework that says espousing the ideology won’t make you a loser.

And there are plenty of romantically successfully guys who essentially behave in a redpill manner without having any concept of it.

RahLyt · 2025-10-14T18:08:30+00:00

Not really lol

The only thing I'd say is men who are on the "top" can be as equally mysoginistic. Since they see dysfunction with their own eyes.

Global_Advantage7296 · 2025-10-14T21:44:08+00:00

Who told you that you got to decide who is and isn't a loser? They lied to you.

PrecisionHat · 2025-10-14T22:00:27+00:00

I think RP is an extreme. Most guys I know aren't RP, because they aren't extreme, but they all pretty much live by some RP tenants or acknowledge they are real. So, they naturally deny or oppose certain BP tenants or talking points. But they aren't fully RP.

An example would be what women wear and how they act in night clubs. BP tells us these women wear sexy outfits for themselves or their girlfriends and they go to dance clubs for every other reason than the attention they get from the men there. Most men know that's complete bullcrap.

Equivalent_Dance2278 · 2025-10-14T06:10:06+00:00

The one I know is very successful financially. But he chops and changes his friend groups because he can’t handle any criticism over his own actions. He told me he thought he was a narcissist (I didn’t know much about narcissists at the time, I thought it meant a vain person) then he said he never said that. He would react explosively if anything appeared to make him look bad, and every gf he ever had had somehow “disrespected” him. He is short and had been bullied by boys at school but blamed women, and he lied to constantly seem in control. I would say that red pill men are very lacking in social understanding and I would even go as far as saying they have a personality disorder. If you watch the interactions here, they cannot bear to hear criticism of the red pill and cannot imagine their own beliefs affecting their interactions with women. If I went around hating men for being men, it would absolutely affect my interactions with them and I would see many behaviours as personal attacks. They try and police what women say and think and refuse to accept any explanations beyond what they believe.

So I think they can be successful in their work environment, but they are either not successful socially or they are masking their true personality and feelings, and masking is a symptom of a disorder. I don’t think labelling them as losers will help them, because it will just reinforce what they already think about women. I want to help them, but like any addiction, they have to help themselves first. And if they don’t even know they are addicts, how does that happen?

Reasonable_Mouse789 · 2025-10-14T04:05:50+00:00

It’s inherent, to an extent. People who would need dating advice and write the most of it would naturally be those who aren’t great at dating.

While they’re correct about things like “go to the gym and get a job”, their personality advice falls short. You can tell they’re probably not aiming for very desirable or mentally healthy people.

PassengerCultural421 · 2025-10-14T04:24:42+00:00

I know two red pillers who are super successful with women.

They are in shape, have good jobs, etc.

So it's attracting women has nothing to do with one's beliefs.

Here we go associating women's preferences with morality again.

ConstipatedAvocado · 2025-10-14T08:42:35+00:00

while top men usually welcome women and treat them much better.

Eh...I find it amusing the way so many posters here either lie or try to weave in bullshit into their arguments.

Also, quite frankly, you mention them being academically unremarkable and working shitty jobs...but I'm also willing to bet they're either in college or gainfully employed, they also seem to not be distinctly physically disadvantaged. These men sound average as hell. And it says a lot that you demean them, but they're also your associates so you're probably distinctly average too. I mean the fact that you even know dudes who subscribe to embarrassing online hate movements shows that you either bullshitting for the sake of your argument or you have a pretty terrible friendship group. I know a lot of different guys, a lot of them are sexist too...but none would be embarrassing enough to literally identify as "redpillers".

I also dont think you read any study which said "top men welcome women", honestly this whole post gives me femcel vibes. Men/women being successful or attractive doesnt automatically make them better people.

mrcs84usn · 2025-10-14T04:24:52+00:00

I've known about 2 people that actually openly talk about how they follow RP practices. Both of which are upper middle class, and have pretty solid futures ahead of them.

I'd say a pretty significant portion of people who follow RP stuff are using it as their form of entertainment, and don't actually put any any sort of work to better themselves.

Also you have to ask yourself where this person is in their RP journey. If they dude is going through the middle of a nasty divorce battle, and was kicked out of his house 2 months prior to delving into RP material, he's probably not going to be in the greatest place.

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ArkNemesis00 · 2025-10-14T17:20:27+00:00

I don't know, I think I'm doing alright. Though I suppose I spend too much time on Reddit.

One-Camp-110 · 2025-10-14T20:19:20+00:00

I hope those guys remain bitter & decide rights that women are not worth the Herculean effort it taken to be a decent human being

TrumpFucksKidz · 2025-10-15T12:35:07+00:00

Congratulations, You know losers. Them being red pill or not is only correlated It's not a causation.

leefjk · 2025-10-15T22:49:48+00:00

You could flip that on its head and say that women use high status men to flex on low status men because they feel low in the hierarchy.

Tylikcat · 2025-10-16T03:46:55+00:00

One of my favorite students* is a former redpiller. He went way down the rabbit hole in his teens. Then he joined the military, met a bunch of different people, and pulled himself out of it. He's bright and thoughtful and just a great guy. (He's also married, and now that he's in school is popular with his classmates.)

I've been encouraging him to write an article about his experiences, though the last time I talked to him at any length, he was pretty busy.

*Though TBF, I have a lot of favorite students.

Santaflin · 2025-10-16T09:41:46+00:00

You equate red pill with "misoginy" and "treating women badly".

I equate "Red Pill" with "caring for men's rights". Women are not part of the equation, unless they are using double standards and torpedoing men's rights and issues in their quest for power and money.

ManFallout · 2025-10-16T17:50:11+00:00

This is a small group of people you know. Even still they may not know everything there is to know. Without knowing enough they could easily not apply the knowledge correctly.

Motosport_Titan · 2025-10-14T03:58:15+00:00

I think if you’re a RP men then you probably don’t have much going on in life, at least not romantically. I feel that people who do either identify with the blue pill, purple or just don’t care about pills.

I see that adopting red pill ideas comes from frustration and resentment, usually towards women.

yomel123 · 2025-10-14T13:58:43+00:00

Yep! They’re just losers who are mad women won’t be with their losers self

Sweet_Discount4485 · 2025-10-14T04:46:05+00:00

Red Pillers lash out because their decisions in life are not validated and there's no community in NEETing out.

They make a decision that porn, video games, and not going to college is a better way to do life. There's some truth to that. It is easier, it is less risky, and there's an entirely reasonable debate to be had that they are actually making the most logical decisions, from a path of least resistance standpoint.

If mom pays the bills, you don't have student loans, you aren't stressed over having some big wig job, etc.? That's... better?

If you want the incel thing to end, we first have to understand the appeal and benefits of all those choices that are associated with it.

They are mad at women because they see women as obstacles to the lives they'd rather live - easier, less stressful, porn, video games, pizza, weed, etc.

Novel-Tip-7570 · 2025-10-14T10:19:23+00:00

I would also argue that most red pill podcasters are not that great.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-10-14T13:02:23+00:00

As I’ve often quoted before, “if you were actually able to BE Redpill, you would have never needed TRP in the first place.”

P1anth0 · 2025-10-14T17:54:00+00:00

Not in my experience. I know a red piller who makes 6 figures, is decently attractive, works out hard, has good social skills, pays for dates, and easily gets casual sex. He is also openly MAGA and even though I’m a republican I would never touch this guy with a 10 ft pole because he is lightly misogynistic and controlling. Yet I see young liberal feminist women who might be 11 years younger with him all the time ignoring all the dumb things he says and he is in my friend group so I have witnessed him say a lot of retarded shit. This is who yall are lowering your bar for and it actually blows my mind. My husband and I have both had to step in at various times once when he suggested his 125lb fit gf was looking bloated because she ate too much rice or something. He has even snatched a bag of cookies out of her hands if he felt she ate too many. These chicks always want to marry him too but he’s anti-marriage and they act so cringe around him calling him daddy in front of everyone.

Ragazzocolbass8 · 2025-10-14T05:51:47+00:00

Redpiller here and I'm handsome, fit, well off and wildly successful both in life and with women. I also have a ton of hobbies and passions.

My fiancee (who is taller than me and 13 years my junior - I'm 44) knows exactly how I feel about women but pretends to agree cause she's like a moth to a flame to my money and status.

Not that I talk politics with a woman, it'd be a waste of time, they will get behind anything that benefits them or improves their social standing anyway as long as they can get away with it with their peers and preserve the optics.

WebNew9978 · 2025-10-14T06:29:40+00:00

Funny thing for me is the really the only person around who’s been pilled. Nobody else identifies or has traits of the red or blue pill

skeezinhookaz · 2025-10-14T04:19:26+00:00

u keep tellin uself dat fella....u sound like u aint been round much

well i have n im tellin u deez hoez be skeemin....if u wanna white knight go head i spose....u do u

fer me....life experience shown me dey skeezers....pump n dump

see u prolly 2 yung to know dis....but usta be some modest wimmen....usta be some were good....save demself for a man n serv dat man....but thoze days long gone....dey all skeezers now

call it red pill or blue pill or black pill or wuteva u want...its da truth

Title	Redpillers I know IRL are losers
Author	Dismal-Alfalfa-7613
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Date	October 14, 2025 3:55 AM UTC (9 months ago)
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