Germany's birth rate plummets. Germany now has the dubious honour of having the lowest birthrate in the world (lower than Japan).

NoTifuToday · 2015-06-12T17:10:07+00:00

Swiss here, 60km from german border, similar culture.

Raising kids with femnazis gone wild in the government structure is a hell of a job. Last spring we were back from holidays late due to TAP pilot strike and our 3-grader missed 1 day of school. No problem?

We had "child protective services" harassing us for months now. They interrogate kids stasi style (intrrogate neighbor kids), they want us to pay a hefty fine, they try to send the police to ivestigate us and they are contemplating to put the kid in foster care. Because kid missed 1 FUCKING SCOOL DAY. No joke, i can provide the documents.

I would never want to miss my kids, its the best thing i have ever done. But i cant recommend it. There is too much CRAZY in education.

Prattler26 · 2015-06-12T13:50:51+00:00

It's amazing that problems caused by feminism will be addressed by applying more feminism. It will get much much worse before it finally gets better.

Protect yourself!

moosevice_dot_com · 2015-06-12T14:30:57+00:00

Caged animals (men) are known to stop breeding once they realize they are trapped.

vandaalen · 2015-06-12T17:03:30+00:00

What you should keep in the back of your head is the following:

That study was done by a neo-liberal think tank and it's sole purpose is to weaken the market for employees and lower wages in general, and for graduates from the STEM-field in specific.

There has been a neverending repetition of the myth of the "Fachkräftemangel" - a scarcity of qualified employees - for the last years here in Germany, which is complete and utter bullshit. We have more than enough qualified people here, but the problem is: Those aren't willing to work for the money companies are willing to offer them.

After the government under the leadership of chancelor Gerhard Schröder succeeded in installing what Schröder himself called "Europe's best low-wage labour market" at the World Economic Forum 2005 in Davos, via the "Agenda 2010", they are now targeting STEM-jobs.

They already tried before, when they introduced special visas for STEM-specialists from i.e. India, but blatantly failed, because no Indian who's willing to leave his country to work elsewhere would come to Germany, where he would be paid significantly less than in i.e. the UK.

They want to over-saturate the market to push people into the weaker negotioating position via more immigration and allowing asylum seekers to pick up work. If you look closely, they have already started with that in some places and it comes up in the news more often now, justified with reducing the costs for their stay here. That's some serious machiavellinism going on there.

dongpal · 2015-06-12T13:43:54+00:00

german women are like they have stick in their ass. every women I chat up with asked me within first minute what job I have. all they care is about money. people complaning about US having too many sluts, I can only tell you its better to have some sluts than no one whats so ever. since im half polish I search for them instead, they are way more "alive" , enjoy their life way more.

netgrey · 2015-06-12T13:53:58+00:00

Will it be Germany when there are no Germans, but only Muslim Turks who might speak some German?

I don't get how importing immigrants from failed countries en masse helps.

Heizenbrg · 2015-06-12T13:31:12+00:00

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drallcom3 · 2015-06-12T21:34:00+00:00

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

There's no reason for any woman to not have children. Great universal healthcare, guaranteed time off (up to 3 years), you may pick up your old job, low costs (if you're good with money), no college fund needed. Economic reasons my ass. It's probably one of the best countries to have children in.

popthatpill · 2015-06-12T16:09:17+00:00

Women don't care if their country gets overrun with foreigners. All women care about is getting into the harems of the top guys, whether they're locals or foreign conquerors. As far as women are concerned, one is as good as the other.

Patriotism is a guy thing.

RedInIzzy · 2015-06-12T13:34:10+00:00

More skilled immigrants? From where? Most of Europe is filled with the bottom rung that came running through the open doors after the colonial era passed.

This means importing more people who will want free stuff and have dubious agendas. They'd have to be stupid to do that.

Hopefully controls will be placed upon weapons and the knowledge behind them, seeing as the worst countries for the 3rd worldization are nuclear.

Adolf_ghandi · 2015-06-12T17:07:33+00:00

Every sys admin is like: ROLL THAT SHIT BACK NOW! IT WORKED BEFORE!!!

politicans: nope we continue the BS!

Mister_Shitlord_2U · 2015-06-12T14:53:55+00:00

Not that anybody notices, but this is happening in all the predominantly white countries. You have to look at the big picture. Social engineering, feminism, and the media have all led us by the nose to where we are now. Low birth rates in the population create a vacuum that needs to be filled.

Our governments, that are controlled by a rich elite, create vast incentives at taxpayers cost, for other races of people to move in and take over large parts of society. This causes wages to go down making them more profits at our expense. It creates a divide and conquor strategy to control the people. We waste so much time fighting each other and ignoring the real enemy, the elite themselves.

At the current trend, the white race could become an endangered species. Countries like Sweden, which are natively white, are being invaded at an incredible rate because of government policy and white people will soon be a minority in their own country.

antariusz · 2015-06-12T14:14:54+00:00

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sqrt7744 · 2015-06-12T19:04:09+00:00

As a medical doctor in Germany I am acutely aware of this. The system is rotten to the core. Taxation and spending on garbage is crippling the productive sector of the economy, destroying potential productive jobs and forcing people to work more to maintain a decent standard of living.. This means both people in a relationship must work which leaves little time for child rearing. Kindergartens are woefully scarce and waiting lists are long. The problem in virtually all of the instances is the state interfering and preventing the free market from operating efficiently. The solution which practically everyone seems blind to, is to get the state out of the way. Reduce taxes. Let kindergartens operate like any other business - no central planning. Get rid of the (newly introduced) minimum wage which makes hiring an elderly nanny prohibitively expensive. In a free market without labor laws wages rise naturally, there are plenty of historical examples. Guess what quotas do? Pay more people to do the same work. Products become more expensive across the board so your Euro doesn't buy as much anymore. It should be possible for one parent to support the family as it often was until 1950-60. The solution is not political, it is getting rid of politicians.

workunit13 · 2015-06-12T21:49:20+00:00

Birth rates are due to the intelligent people realizing life will be too hard to raise children.

This is a failure of government because its essentially slavery, not feminism this time.

Subtletorious · 2015-06-12T13:51:04+00:00

I have to say, that there is no long term solution to this problem, other than a complete rollback to marriage 1.0, which will never happen as long as woman have a voting right. Repealing women's suffrage completely would be the only long term solution. A couple decades ago, were woman had the same opportunities wise, the birthrate wasn't this low. After the state and the jobmarket started to pander to woman only, more woman than ever were getting university education. You know the story, it is the same in the US.

Men are devalued, because they aren't the only possible provider anymore. Woman earn even more than men in the under 30 demograpic. But my goverment still tries to push the same 77 cents to a dollar argument.

Men and boys are dehumanized in the education system, female behavior is the norm, boys being boys are treated like defective females.

Oh and German woman are shit, looks wise and mentally fucked up. Add this to what was stated in the OP.

tl;dr misandric family/divorce laws females get pandered to exclusively at any level of gouverment and in education fucked up females (either mentally or physically) men are feminised, due to lack of male spaces and male role models

moosevice_dot_com · 2015-06-12T14:43:09+00:00

Solution: Make marriage laws fair. Mandatory Pre-nup, Restore Fault divorce. Stop alimony and child support.

Future if solution is not applied: Women marrying other women and divorcing, splitting visitation rights over their test tube baby.

Longstreet101 · 2015-06-12T15:41:26+00:00

This whole country, its cultural, socially and political fucked up in so many ways... Most people don't want to see everything is in decline, still thinking everything is going to be alright.

raceAround126 · 2015-06-12T17:31:54+00:00

Given the professional working world is geared up to prioritize women, isn't it obvious that middle class women are preferring those routes?

Of all the girls I've known over the past year or so, I could only count a handful of them with any decent standard of education. And most of those wouldn't even consider a long term relationship despite barrelling towards being 30.

However, a lot of the lower-class or working-class (however you want to put it) women are definitely maintaining that strategy of beta bucks.

Given the quality of women that men have available to them, the choice of poor slut who wants a free ride or bust leads to things like MGTOW.

Personally if I was in the market for an LTR, a girl who has never had a job and been looked after by Big Brother State wouldn't even be on the list.

onepill_twopill · 2015-06-12T14:50:14+00:00

I think the Germans will be the first or second to rebel against this though. I've been looking at a fair bit of German culture and history and I reckon that as soon as they get ticked off enough, no more mr nice guy. I mean, they had some of europe's first Anti-Islam protests.

Asthomandias · 2015-06-12T21:06:31+00:00

Well, stop bitching about it and either : try to change it or go live your life, in a country where most males are betas, you'll live as a king if you want it.

Evolution my friend, weak things will disappear and be replaced by stronger things, stronger as in stronger, not as in moral or logical or right.

edit : why would you even want to save a feminist country from collapsing, they wouldn't do shit for you if the roles were reversed, and empires come and go, plague, religion, communism, now it's feminism, and it's not good or bad, it's natural. You'd think the cause of the regress in birth rate is obvious, we can see it's because men don't want to get fucked by having children, but the vast majority of the population are either betas or feminists, and frankly, they don't deserve to be saved, the matrix attains a point when it should be restarted, wiped out and recreated, it's not the first or the second or even the last time.

JeanValjean197o · 2015-06-13T02:17:18+00:00

I've heard that by the end of this century, Muslims will be the majority of the population in Germany.

The Muslim patriarchal family structure will reproduce faster, immigrate faster, and eventually dominate German culture.

There is a reason why no "matriarchy" has ever survived in human history without tall mountains or wide oceans to protect it.

I wonder what Germany will look like in 50 years?

sardinemanR · 2015-06-12T14:39:59+00:00

The world was fine with 1/10th of the current population, I promise you it will be fine with 9/10ths or even 1/2 the current population. This "crisis" is media manufactured, and also partly a fear by bankers and the other parasite classes that they might actually have to do real work again, without more ponzi slaves to take advantage of.

Just stick to TRP principles and take care of yourself. And then when it's time to go, it's time to go, you didn't think you would live forever did you? I don't see why it matters. You're a man, you were always expected to take care of yourself and work as long as you could, what changed? The fact that you might get paid more and valued more if there are less people around? Uh, that's not a negative...for an RP man.

aakksshhaayy · 2015-06-12T20:57:02+00:00

That's great and all but Japan is one of the sexist countries in the world... the feminist movement is much smaller and very different there than the modern feminism of western countries. So how can you explain their low birth rates due to feminism?

red445 · 2015-06-12T14:41:11+00:00

I would not blame feminism on this. Germany is not that bad regarding divorce. For example sex withdrawal is valid reason (for men) to divorce. And it is not uncommon for men to get full custody.

Problem is with status, jobs (overqualified mentality) and general sentiment in society.

privated1ck · 2015-06-12T19:11:18+00:00

All this population decline has happened since the destruction of the two-parent, one-income home that--as some of us witnessed--happened in the '70s and continues through today. Where are birth rates steady and rising? In nuclear families with strong religious faith, in areas not plagued by dictatorship and war.

jsl2837 · 2015-06-13T04:37:16+00:00

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What is this?

ChairBorneMGTOW · 2015-06-12T17:39:03+00:00

Face it - making the world "fair" and "secure" and "comfortable" and "affluent" eventually destroys our will to live. For 20,000 years we sustained ourselves through our drive to overcome adversity. Remove adversity and we lose our drive.

That's why socialism always fails.

(Posted this as a response but I think it's more pertinent than a simple reply to a single point:)

CornyHoosier · 2015-06-12T19:56:39+00:00

Every man in here should take a good look at themselves. We are the men our grandparents wanted their grand children to be. We all have our weaknesses, but our strengths are so much more than our parents.

Overall the men of America are taller, stronger, more educated, more traveled & wealthier than any American before us. If you've taken TRP knowledge to heart, then you're well-groomed, financially stable (or on the right path), know how to interact with others & have control over your own emotions. Many of us here, myself included, have made significant strides in bettering ourselves and have seen real results. I know exactly who I used to be, so know in what areas I have progressed.

We young men are the ones being blamed for societies failures. A society that we've barely been apart of, and certainly don't have any congressional representation in. It's unfortunate that a large portion of our society does not realize that things have significantly changed since they were our age. I will not be caged into marriage and I will not be caged into an unwanted pregnancy. I'm too smart for that.

Veles11 · 2015-06-12T17:53:44+00:00

Most men in first world countries are now realizing that having children leaves them in an absolutely ridiculous situation. You basically relinquish all of your free time, have a women controlling many aspects of your life, AND you're paying hundreds of thousands $ over 18 years (more since you'll be paying for uni probably)

A lot of people, myself included, would want to have a son after they are well off financially, but for me the costs really outweigh the benefits.

seius · 2015-06-12T18:58:27+00:00

I was talking to my girlfriend about this, and how it's going to continue to get worse until the system resets back to normal, and the muslims will be the majority oppressing the women again. Maybe it's just a cycle though, and they will get feminized too, and it will be reset by the next again.

Lord_Varys · 2015-06-12T21:11:35+00:00

We will run into a Malthusian wall or a Keynesian one. All "advanced society" is built on the premise of growth. A growing younger population and a growing economy to sustain a smaller aging population through social programs.

What happens when you starve the beast?

Devvils · 2015-06-12T22:08:48+00:00

Australian solution - target of 3 kids per couple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80VFTnGfYw

"You should have one for the father, one for the mother and one for the country. If you want to fix the ageing demographic, that's what you do," urged Treasurer Peter Costello in the climactic throes of Tuesday's federal budget.

FaustoRMD · 2015-06-12T14:51:32+00:00

This is what the elite wanted. Countries without identity and without family, individuals without power, depending of the government.

Piroko · 2015-06-12T13:15:19+00:00

Germany knows what it has to do, and Germany has demonstrated it is capable of doing it with cold, calculated German efficiency.

The question is, will they?

Wtfiwwpt · 2015-06-12T23:55:21+00:00

Multiculturism is the leading edge of a global depression. Instead of extending a helping hand to "3rd world nations", we are extending a free citizenship to a "1st world nation". The drag on developed nations will grow exponentially until the system breaks down, ushering in a economic depression worldwide. In no case will this lead to "the rich" being any less rich. But it will mean the destruction of the middle class, demoting them to low class to join all the imported citizens that brought the system down.

olican101 · 2015-06-13T03:47:45+00:00

So, what? you want to force people to have children? As a homosexual male, i object pretty heavily to this.

TimeHoTraveler · 2015-06-12T23:57:00+00:00

Sometimes I don't know if I am on the red pill or stormfront

PlanB_pedofile · 2015-06-12T20:37:50+00:00

I don't get it why rich healthy economic and middle class countries tend to have less children than poor countries.

The childfree or two children is by choice while the poor are breeding 4 to 6 at a time.

This isn't just birth control and sex ed.

Pkbeefatude · 2015-06-12T21:03:26+00:00

There is a lot more that goes into birth rates than simple feminism but the culture of today has certainly contributed.

Birth rates fall with affluence usually (obvious exceptions at certain times in history). This has been observed as far back as the Roman Republic.

Contraception wasn't widely available until the last 70ish years

And any time there are major economic and geopolitical crisis both rates fall. Birth rates also fell during the 1970's and prior to that in the 30's and 40's etc. etc.

Right now the west is at a major extreme with birth rates but in 5 or so years if the economy turns around you'll see millennials (by then 20-40) will start blasting out kids like crazy

DaphneDK · 2015-06-13T11:00:51+00:00

When looking at it from the outside, it's also a genetic experiment on a unprecedented scale. The future belongs to those that have children. Both the genetic line as well as the culture of those segments of society that are not having children will die off. By all accounts Christians and conservatives ought to be looking at a revival a few decades down the line.

Cmon_Just_The_Tip · 2015-06-12T23:05:57+00:00

That's sad. Really sad. Look, I don't wanna start a debate on eugenics, but not having nordic people reproduce in big numbers is a fucking shame. You'd be a fool to not acknowledge that genetic pool is fucking gold.

The women have amazing hair, eyes and complexion. They produce solid offspring. And the guys are just fucking studs. Tall, incredibly good looking.

Call me hitler for all I care, but those are clearly genes worthy of being passed.

What a shame it would be if their women increasingly received weak beta seed and raised even more chumps.

hamstercide · 2015-06-12T15:19:41+00:00

Quick! We need more 3rd world immigrants!

whatgold · 2015-06-12T21:38:25+00:00

This reminds me of quantitative easing in the United States. If 1 round of QE doesn't work, do some more!

I have a hard time believing people are legitimately this stupid. There is evil at work.

shuaiya · 2015-06-13T00:07:57+00:00

Where's the problem, isn't a low birth rate a good thing now? Japan and Germany should be given an award.

monzzter221 · 2015-06-13T03:21:44+00:00

The reason this is happening in a country like Germany, where the work hours are lower, the pay is higher, and the healthcare is good, is not economic.

It is 100% social. Men want children. We do. We want families.

But there's no incentive. When you put your life into your family, and there's no security there, no socially pressured reciprocation, the result is what many of us here have come to realize. We can never have the family life we want. We can't have the kids that we teach how to be people, because the school will teach them otherwise. We can't have the wives that take care of them, that have that glow they get when they are happy taking care of a house and kids all day, because they are taught that it is dehumanizing and shameful to be that woman.

We opt out. And western countries are starting to feel the effects of it. They are starting to see just how important a mans incentive to start a family is.

cock_pussy_up · 2015-06-12T14:26:49+00:00

I think the way to solve the low birth rate problem is to remove women from schools and the workforce and give men priority in education and employment. That would provide a larger pool of "marriageable" men, make women less picky (hypergamy), more dependent on men, and give them more time for breeding without competition from education and employment demands.

Of course that solution is totally unacceptable to the ideology of the West. So, instead, they'll just keep on importing foreign immigrants until their nation is largely made up of people of foreign descent.

oldredder · 2015-06-12T15:27:45+00:00

Expansionism is a mistake. You want more land per person not less. Birth rates should stop to equilibrium for good.

We have too many humans and not enough skill in each to work the land properly for long-term survival.

Megacities are a mistake. This earth should have NONE.

Moridakkubokka · 2015-06-12T14:41:22+00:00

Country's gone to hell, the only thing that could probably prolong this feminism ridden shit society is greatly automatizing jobs, rationalisation, using robots and the like.

Fucking hell, we're gonna end up a pussified matriarchy if there isn't another major world war soon.

NiceTryDisaster · 2015-06-12T20:55:21+00:00

Sorry, but can someone tell me whats wrong with the birth rate plummeting? Doesnt it imply that theres more non-marital sex going around and no pressure to start a family..which is actually good for someone spinning plates isnt it?

kosmos95 · 2015-06-12T23:36:33+00:00

Why is there so much hate going towards the immigrants in these comments. They see an opportunity for more comfort along with minimal risk and take it. Is that not human nature? And would you not do the same if put in their position? Sure they refuse to integrate with local values and bring with them a culture of oppression, but I thought that we were already living in a culture of feminist oppression. I also thought that part of being red pill is to be successful and to exert your own will on your environment despite the difficulties, hardships, and oppression your environment will inevitably exert on you. Maybe I'm ignorant or inferring too much from some comments but I get the feeling that there are some people here who are playing the victim card when it comes to blaming those dumb unskilled immigrants. Why do they matter to you? If you can't work on yourself like you should and aren't able to add value to your environment, are the uneducated immigrants to blame?

aa223 · 2015-06-13T02:06:18+00:00

Wow and I thought the holocaust was bad. But Sweden is projected to be a third world country in a few decades. This is what feminism and throwing away the best just to fulfill quotas does to countries. This whole thing is a child's problem just magnified by a fuckton.

NADER_THE_GATOR · 2015-06-13T02:39:01+00:00

In regards to why people in power are doing this, I always thought they just do what people want them to do to stay in power, they don't even think about whether if it's good or bad

Fishy19 · 2015-06-13T06:33:53+00:00

Two things.

First, I actually support of a declining population for ecological reasons, given that it doesn't happen too fast (for economic reasons). Yet, this is what's happening in Europe.

The 'miracle solution' has been attracting immigrants. But this is backfiring as they are costing more (low productivity) and Europe is islamizing. The majority of immigrants is not adjusting to our values enough. This will destroy Europe if nothing happens. And nothing will probably happen because leftwingers will immediately scream that we're being inhuman if we"ll send people back. I might consider moving to eastern Europe or North America (although I cringe at the feminized society in the US) in 10-20 years

Immigration shouldn't (well, can't) be the solution. I honestly don't know why politicians simply haven't supported getting babies more. Like actually giving support to full time mothers/fathers. Lots of people who don't work get an income, why can't people who decide to raise their children full time get some form of income?

Second, the only reason the US' population isn't declining is because blacks and hispanics (don't really know about asians) are having lots of children. The white population is declining as fast as it is in Europe. But the non-white Americans seem to be adopting to the American lifestyle relatively well, and they don't have issues with Islamization. This is why I think the US will do pretty well without a big white population (don't forget asians tend to be f*cking smart and hard workers).

Edit: I forgot to mention that the only reason the EU will still do well in the coming decades beucase of the growth of the Eeastern European economies. When they have matured, shit will be coming.

astrokidd · 2015-06-12T17:52:29+00:00

This has nothing to do with TRP, first of all. Even American population is decreasing, if we take off the immigrants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrA_9SoCitk

nixon007 · 2015-06-12T20:01:32+00:00

Maybe feminism is a population control protocal to introduce robots to make up for the shortage in labourers.

holzy444 · 2015-06-12T20:25:03+00:00

This is another example of how necessary the traditional complementary relationship is for humans to flourish. We're made to work together and make each other better. This is what the marriage 2.0 relationship fails to account for, and ultimately why many countries have less marriages and less new children.

AirNova · 2015-06-12T20:32:42+00:00

Hopefully soon enough the low birthdate won't effect it as Autos become increasingly common the need for immigrant labor will fall to near zero levels

MakeNoERROR · 2015-06-12T21:48:08+00:00

Time to move to Germany and increase their population, IYKWIM.

l0ng_time_lurker · 2015-06-12T22:40:33+00:00

You are welcome - I am one of them - up for drinks @TRP , if you venture between Frankfurt and Heidelberg / Mannheim -let´s drink to my country and the continent going down the drain.

DarkenedDystopia · 2015-06-13T09:04:36+00:00

Of course it's nothing more women and african men can't fix!

beginner_ · 2015-06-13T13:03:38+00:00

German here. The lower class has many children, since the state benefits are quite good, but the middle class or above start very late or never at all.

Swiss. The problem here is similar. You either need to be poor, eg. unemployed and get benefits, which are huge or be upper middle class. Anything in between you fare worse than the unemployed. It was recently shown that a family with 2 kids and a 12k CHF income fare better than anyone earning up to 100k a year. (Note 12k is nothing as the median monthly wage is about 6k...

But you get the picture. Either you make over 100k or just quit your job. The only gotcha is that if your parents have money, they have to pay you before you get benefits. Due to this system the poor have no incentive to improve or get a job. Getting as much benefits as possible is their job...They usually are more knowledgeable about the law than most law students...

Why are benefits so huge? Because obviously every child needs an own room and hence the state pays for a huge apartment. In Zürich nowadays you can only live in a decent apartment if you started to live their a decade ago (it's nearly impossible for landlords to raise existing rent!), you get benefits or you earn like 150k+.

fyreNL · 2015-06-13T20:43:44+00:00

Other statistics i found stated that Germany has a birth rate of 1.43, which pretty low (even for European standards) but not that low. Japan has a birth rate of 1.42, so it's possible it shifted lower than Japan (either Japan's increased, unlikely, but possible), but it still has higher birth rates than Slovenia, Romania, Greece, Lithuania and Serbia. Source

Also, the lowest in the world are Singapore (0,80), Macau(0,93), Taiwan (1,11) and Hong Kong (1,17). The lowest one in Europe belongs to Lithuania, at 1.29

Now, i do know these statistics are from last year, but a birth rate dropping from 1.43 to lower than 0.80 is pretty much impossible, so which source is true?

csehszlovakze · 2015-06-13T21:40:40+00:00

Economic reasons my ass. Here the gypsies fuck like rabbits and have shitload of kids because of a shitty economic status. Why? Because the government gives money after children, and the more children, the more money (eg. having 3 "pays" more than triple money after a single kid), and they basically can live like this. Yeah, shitty conditions, higher crime rate, but they don't care. If they don't have enough, some will simply commit crimes to get more money. Almost every non-sjw feels a huge disdain towards them at least, some outright hate them.

Venicedreaming · 2015-06-17T20:19:01+00:00

This is actually a good thing. As automation advances, there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Countries with the least amount of people and the highest technological advances will come out on top. You need quality citizens, not bunch of idiots

pulpedid · 2015-06-29T02:39:12+00:00

In an age of increasing automation and a strong reduction in jobs, such cab drivers, garbage men, back and front office employees. I think that less people is more future proof then more. Though we would benefit more from kids from well educated people, but economically and environmentally this is not a bad thing. Though the lower educated kids will have troubles with tomorrow's Highly skilled jobs which will remain.

squirtmasterd · 2015-06-12T15:35:46+00:00

I think economic factors are more important than social ones. Single income families just aren't viable in today's working climate and children are too expensive. If salaries became less top heavy children would be viable for some couples because one parent could parent. Unfortunately the middle class has been decimated. Of course women working has meant labour is now massively dropped in value because the work force literally doubled. There is no solution to this.

Ninja-5 · 2015-06-12T16:09:14+00:00

Ignorant and thus incapable of doing their job.

Aware of what they're doing, but simply don't care.

Well, anyone that compares politicians' records to their words will have a very hard time believing #1, except in a tiny number of cases. However, I've noticed that most people default to believing #1 nonetheless.

Politicians want you to believe #1, and go to some lengths to create that appearance. Also, it's more comforting to believe that you're ruled over by an idiot (even though that arguably makes you an even bigger idiot) than by someone who's deliberately fucking you over and laughing about it.

Disaster532385 · 2015-06-12T17:35:11+00:00

You are underplaying the economic aspect in Europe in the plummeting birthrates. We have reached a point where we will never be as rich as our parents. They were almost guarenteed to find a job after their study and were able to buy housing as an investment. Purchasing it for cheap and see it's value rising every year. Now for every open position there are hundeds of candidates. Employers only want to hire people on a short term basis, reducing job security. And the housemarket crashed, which means the time where a house was profitable investment is gone forever.

Since having kids costs a fuckton, rational people will wait with getting kids until they are in a position where they can afford it.

MagicGainbow · 2015-06-13T00:15:59+00:00

Considering how German women are and the fact that the fairness of German laws prevents them from pulling shit i'm not surprised.

Audunis · 2015-06-13T01:59:33+00:00

Well, the wise politicians insist ethnic Germans don't exist.

Hank711 · 2015-06-13T16:15:44+00:00

Well, honestly, a plummeting population bouyed by immigration isn't the worst -- natives will have a comparative advantage on the job market, creating upward mobility. Declining population raises the value of labor and lowers the value of capital. It explains the increase in wages after WWII.

watersign · 2015-06-12T19:33:48+00:00

dont worry..we'll import niggers and muslims to fix the issue! oy vey

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-06-12T15:09:50+00:00

Germans must return to their traditions as have the Russians. (trying to)

What is needed is more focus on masculine ideals.

You think of Ludwig I who is central to Oktoberfest (Wiesn) and how his masculine nature was so closely linked to Monarchy. Nine kids, then sex with other bavarian women followed by that naughty Irish actress. That's a whole lot of Red Pill fertility !!!

Here's the problem...

You must equate:

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Male Homosexuality ----> National Socialism (Ernst Rohm)
Female Homosexuality ----> Feminist Socialism (Lesbians)

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The traditionalists were and are still the Monarchists.

You need a Monarchy.

Observe Putin and imitate his actions because he is actually pointing in the right direction.

I'm half Austrian, but American and my other half goes back to the Founding Fathers, so my "Putin Love" is not based on racial association.

Any Right wing movement that gets too similiar to the Male Homosexual solution (kill rather than breed) will be no better than Feminism.

Men must breed, women must want to breed, and the political system that mirrors the traditional family is Monarchy.

I could use an upvote... thanks.

colucci · 2015-06-12T18:01:37+00:00

Hot and cold.

Yes, the reason to not want kids is economically motivated. Yes, it is partly caused by women participating in the work force and having careers rather than staying home and having kids.

But if you keep going up the chain of causality, in the end you can blame the capitalist economic system which puts so much emphasis on output, money and work. It encourages women to go to work and make profit for their employer.

And we can keep going up and up. For example, we can the laws in America for giving birth to such a radical form of capitalism. So on and so on. I am no fan of modern feminism by any means. However, the problem won't be solved by blaming entities such as 'feminism' or 'capitalism'. The problem we are facing is goes beyond 'feminism'.

810809 · 2015-06-13T04:37:59+00:00

Is this what our grandfathers died for? A German future devoid of Germans and devoid of virtue?

fake7272 · 2015-06-12T19:09:11+00:00

Germany also has prostitution legalized. why the fuck would I marry and have a kid if I could have my dick sucked every day for 100 francs. (or whatever currency they have)

RedInIzzy · 2015-06-12T14:28:02+00:00

Here in Israel we have this issue too.....despite being incredibly politically insensitive, it seems like most "liberal" (usually secular) people are loathe to admit that the Arabs simply could care less about peace and what higher morals we like to think we have. I get both sides. Someone has to lose because neither of us 100% can honestly say we will share. I just happen to support my own side BC logically it makes more sense to me. Do I understand why people that lost several wars and watched their neighbors claw their way to first world have anger? Sure! I'd be mad too if I lost.

As far as your country (Netherlands) goes, I see Wilders as potentially a good start. The push for normalization and integration is important.

As a Jew who immigrated to Israel, it seems that most of Europe didn't learn the lesson from the Holocaust. The lesson is simple: don't go chasing other people to kill them just because they're different.

Today's European rightwing is stuck. The left shame them for wanting to sustain the good times by having standards. The extreme right are mad and say the wrong things, alluding to the Nazi past.

It should be a simple matter of not killing immigrants or other ethnic groups residing there. It has nothing to do with needing open door immigration and lacking standards.

herewehoagain · 2015-06-12T15:56:06+00:00

I'm not a religious man, but I'm seeing more and more answers from the bible. Can't have a successful tribe with no members. Couple this with the economic documentary I recently watched which actually argues that a reduced population fucks us more than an increase because of production output loss, and you see that talented countries suffer.

Humans get too smart for our own good. Too many regulations and babies are no longer worth it. While 3rd world countries just bang away making more worthless humans.

purplecabbage · 2015-06-13T00:09:40+00:00

Can someone explain how feminism is at fault? And does this mean Japan has a similar issue since their population is in decline as well?

CowardlyPetrov · 2015-06-12T15:24:46+00:00

Yay! I wish my country would collapse faster.

Title	Germany's birth rate plummets. Germany now has the dubious honour of having the lowest birthrate in the world (lower than Japan).
Author	wakingslowdiver
Upvotes	555
Comments	690
Date	June 12, 2015 12:56 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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