Because male privilege, right?

adolfox · 2013-12-20T23:59:48+00:00

black men...damn :(

Calamanation · 2013-12-21T03:10:01+00:00

Lol at the mini argunent here...nobody is saying its not a racial issue. I'm a black man and that 1 in 3 does seem pretty worrying at the same time this is the mens rights subreddit not the black rights one, people here are going to focus on gender here even if the racial issue is more pressing and there's nothing wrong with that

Eulabeia · 2013-12-21T00:59:33+00:00

I saw post one time where some idiot feminist started to talk about how MRAs complaining about the sentencing gap is "appropriating black men's issues". so lol

typhonblue · 2013-12-21T01:15:39+00:00

If we live in a system that benefits men, why aren't laws slanted to make women criminals more often?

jostler57 · 2013-12-21T01:57:02+00:00

Can someone help me understand the 1 in 9 statistic and how it's generated?

I tried throwing out this number in class the other day, but got a lot of pushback, and I didn't have a good source to cite.

From looking at this website (prompted from the image's source), I'm seeing these numbers, specifically from this pdf:

Prisoners under the jurisdiction of state or federal correctional authorities, December 31, 2012

Male - 1,462,147

Female - 108,766

From browsing that pdf and a quick look around the rest of that website, I couldn't see how they got the 1 in 9 number.

Can someone help me understand?

CosmicKeys · 2013-12-21T01:36:12+00:00

I have yet to hear any explanation from those who constantly spout on about "white male privilege" about why the approach that should be taken to minorities is compassion, understanding and resources, but the approach taken to men should be shaming and abusive rhetoric to make them respect the (edit) class, i.e. women that does not experience the prison system.

edtastic · 2013-12-21T04:37:59+00:00

Let's talk about the obvious. Mass incarceration is a men's rights issue but above all else it's an issue for black men. That shouldn't stop us or non white men from making it an issue. America has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Why we haven't realized the tremendous negative impact of drug prohibition is in large part due to our indifference of it's impact on minority communities. Men's rights taking up this issue as a key element in it's platform would handily counter the arguments of a white male focused.

butiboopfromthere · 2013-12-21T03:07:29+00:00

Though I think pointing out the racial disparities is important, the fact that it has led to a debate about who is fucked more is pretty absurd. No one gets points for seeming more outraged than anyone else, especially if it just leads to people committed to the same cause bitching about it. The issue is that HUMAN male incarceration is a social problem everyone should be trying to rectify...not just black incarceration. Not just Latino. Not just white. That pc crap alienates everyone. I'm black and I think it's crazy that it's almost an accomplishment I haven't yet been incarcerated, not that I plan on eventually going to prison. But this back and forth I'm seeing is shameful. Feminism played the race card and caused real conflicts among black men and women. We needn't follow their example.

XeroPeace · 2013-12-21T03:49:21+00:00

Not to take away from the OP's post, but do we have more recent statistics than 2003? That seems like awfully old data, though I'm sure newer data looks just as grim.

BiggReddit · 2013-12-21T03:53:25+00:00

I feel like time of imprisonment has always been a race thing

thisisrequired · 2013-12-21T03:59:40+00:00

I don't get these things.

Are they trying to show us that these people are more likely to be bad and avoid them? Have they tried not breaking the law?

Are they trying to show some injustice? If so what injustice?

redconfetti · 2013-12-21T06:36:44+00:00

Yeah. All other factors including behavior have nothing to do with these statistics.

Come on guys, weak arguments like this fall into the same type of bandwagoning as the feminists.

Cyridius · 2013-12-21T04:28:02+00:00

Statistics like this do nothing but water down legitimate complaints and create one sided, false arguments - this kind of infographic is something you'd see a typically stupid Feminist group put up.

Go, look at that, then go and compare the crime rates, please.

Steampunk_Moustache · 2013-12-21T10:48:59+00:00

1 in 3 for black men... holy shit. Statistically, that's like, one man in prison in every black family. How can that even be real!?

And then black women, still less likely to ever be in jail than white men.

And then white women. Not even 1%. My, how oppressed they are!

RoyalKai · 2013-12-21T02:27:02+00:00

This is because men commit more crimes.

Stop making bad arguments please

HopelessAmbition · 2013-12-21T05:02:10+00:00

I read somewhere that 40% of child molesters are women, so why are 99% of child molesters in jail men? Why are women getting away with disgusting crimes like that?

iMADEthis2post · 2013-12-21T05:18:52+00:00

Even the highest statistic for any subgroup, even women seems stupidly high to me.

TasteThePainbow88 · 2013-12-21T05:43:16+00:00

Question: does this represent simply the odds of someone being imprisoned, the odds of ACCUSED people being imprisoned, or the odds of GUILTY people being imprisoned? Because the first two would leave open the possibility that men are simply commiting more or worse crimes, which wouldn't really help our case. (Sorry if this is not very clear, i'm on a break and had to type fast)

overtmind · 2013-12-21T06:11:33+00:00

Wouldn't they just argue that men are natural aggressors and this is a result of them being more "prone to crime" and "aggressive"

shockingnews213 · 2013-12-21T06:18:25+00:00

At least black women have about the same chance as a white person.

Wu_Tang_Shogun · 2013-12-21T08:12:34+00:00

Are all these based on the same crime or just the overall statistics about life imprisonment?

Trosso · 2013-12-21T10:33:22+00:00

More men commit crimes than women so obviously more men than women go to jail. I'm not saying that there aren't hidden crimes or women occasionally get off a lot lighter than men but it is a fact that men commit overwhelmingly more criminal acts. That's patriarchy for you...

takeitu · 2013-12-21T13:36:11+00:00

i feel more sorry for black men specifically.

stuffZACKlikes · 2013-12-21T14:02:24+00:00

Is this of people who have done something punishable by jail time or just of the total demographic? If it's the former it just shows men may commit more crimes

DramaDramaLlama · 2013-12-21T14:43:05+00:00

I'll agree that the argument for race is solid because racial profiling by officers is a huge issue, but men commit more crime than women overall, specifically violent crimes which are easier to prosecute due to the often gory nature of the crime and the amount of evidence left. Crime sucks, going to jail sucks, but consider this data in light of the proportion of people who are actually committing the crimes before grabbing a pitchfork.

Heavy_In_Your_Arms · 2013-12-21T16:34:32+00:00

While this data proves unfortunate, I don't see any research behind it. I just see a picture. Assuming the picture is accurate, I still want to say that it's not a gender bias thing so much as a gender ROLE thing.

What gets you put in jail? Aggressive behavior. Does this mean that black men are more aggressive than white men, or that men are nastier than women? No. Not at all. From my experiences everyone, regardless of race or gender, can be equally nasty and aggressive.

But I think men are unfortunate enough to end up in situations that they wouldn't be in if they weren't so pressured by society to act a certain way. Men are told to be protective, defensive and, as John Ruskin said "spend their energy on conquests." This behavior is very forward behavior that can get people in a lot of trouble...but heavens forbid men be "pussies," right?

As for women, the ideal is that they're subdued and gentle. They often avoid aggression to maintain the public image that they are sweet or level-headed. By doing this, they avoid being jailed as frequently as men. Another thing (and I'm not saying this is right) is that because women are expected to be gentle and refined, if someone sees them committing a crime...they wonder about the legitimacy of the crime. Is that woman really stealing someone bike? No way. Can't be.

But this is not womens' fault. Nor is it mens' fault. It is just how gender roles have been laid out.

As for the black men having a startling 1 in 3 chance of imprisonment, I'm going to go ahead and blame that on two things: Racism and Expectation. When I refer to racism, I'm talking about the racism of our forefathers who treated black people as second class citizens. It is clear when we observe society that there is considerable damage (still) from segregating the races.

Yes, blacks now have equal rights, but that isn't enough to fix the problem caused in the past. Think about it like this: A poor family raises their children under a poor roof. In turn, that child grows up with a shaky foundation. Then, when this child is an adult and starts their own family, the cycle repeats.

Perhaps society has seen black people in such compromised states for so long that it is hard to lift away the pervasive notion and look at things from a more objective standpoint. This is where expectation comes in. Maybe people expect black people to act in a poor fashion (also not saying this is right or fair) and that's why it is easier to see them as criminals.

I don't think this data says much about male or female privilege. It's not a privilege for either gender to be expected to act a certain way in public. I DO think it speaks volumes for social expectations though.

sk8erboy1117 · 2013-12-21T16:49:16+00:00

Anybody have an Asian stat on this?

jade-lynn1989 · 2013-12-21T05:59:48+00:00

Because men commit more crimes, asshole.

borderrat · 2013-12-21T04:09:09+00:00

I'm not sure anyone's claiming male privilege over incarceration rates, but certainly white male privilege. Why is this so hard?

LuckyRyder · 2013-12-21T04:59:59+00:00

As a man, I feel oppressed by the system. The data is very clear that women are not getting prosecuted for crimes. Who's with me!!!!

Aaron565 · 2013-12-21T05:10:14+00:00

"Nobody cares" - Feminists

serenitary · 2013-12-21T00:59:22+00:00

Why does this strike down male privilege, again?

You're choosing whether or not you go to jail by choosing to commit a crime.

2013-12-21T13:28:54+00:00

An Examination of Male Privilege

The privilege of more likely to die in a spaceship
The privilege of AIDS
The privilege of more likely to die in a racecar
The privilege of Testicular cancer
The privilege of more likely to die in marajuana poisening
The privilege of having other people's childeren avoid you
The privilege of more likely to die in a murder-suicide
The privilege of more likely to die in an armed robbery attempt
The privilege of having to go 'get the mail' everyday, implying homosexuality
The privilege of more likely to have peers laugh at your farts
The privilege of being able to be raped by femails.
The privilege of having more responsible
The privilege of more likely to die in a peer related lighting-farts-on-fire incedent.
The privilege of having black people avoid you
The privilege of more likely to die in a hunting accident
The privilege of childeren avoiding you
The privilege of more likely to die.
The privilege of more likely to lose the lottery
The privilege of being not less likely to be not aborted in China

Title	Because male privilege, right?
Author	ThatGuyWhoDidAThing
Upvotes	635
Comments	300
Date	December 20, 2013 11:57 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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