I've been reading through this subreddit for a while, and it suddenly dawned on me that I've been a victim of abuse aided by White Knights. I thought I'd share my short breakup story. Maybe it'll help get me some closure...
I was three years in with this girl, but she was regularly manipulative. I never identified it but it more or less amounted to her making a scene in public if things weren't going her way. Ultimately, I'd cave because she was making a scene and I'd try to avoid it.
One night we were at a bar, and she brought along one of her girlfriends. While we were sitting at the bar, a guy who apparently recognized my girlfriend started chatting with her. She has a professional life in town, so I rarely question it when people talk to her. She works at a school and students approach her quite a bit. So while she was chatting with this guy, I turned to have a conversation with her friend.
After 5-ish minutes the guy left and she very angrily started making a scene. "Why didn't you stop him? You should've protected me..." was more or less what she was saying. I was like.. are you crazy? I'm not going to interfere with your professional life. If he was creeping on you, you're welcome to introduce your boyfriend.
But she wouldn't hear me out. She was too upset so she told her friend to "come on, we're going to the bathroom." I grabber [my girlfriend's] wrist (lightly, might I add) to keep her focus for long enough to give her a description of what happened, but she was too involved in her own little world to care about what happened, so she started yelling, "ouch you're hurting me." This is a damned lie. I was holding her wrist in the way any normal person would in conversation if you're trying to get their attention. It wasn't violent. I've never even been in a fight with a guy, let alone hit or hurt a girl. We've never had a physical fight.
Well, needless to say this drew attention from the white knights of the bar, who- without asking questions or trying to understand the situation, approached me, physically removed me from the bar, and threatened to kick the shit out of me. I had to run from the front of the building and call a cab in the rain as I ran to avoid them hurting me.
It was a horrible experience, and at no point did anybody even try to get the story straight before it happened.
Needless to say I broke up with her, but still.. it never really occurred to me what happened that night. I understood it from a movie-standpoint. It's something you'd see in a movie. But the real forces at work, the white knight attitude, and how I was wronged that night.. It's astounding. Thanks for letting me vent.
{Edit for clairty}
Edit regarding the wrist grab The problem is in the context of a physical relationship. Pulling on her arm when she does a fake temper tantrum was normal. We were always physically playful. Grabbing her waist when she was upset and pulling her in for a kiss in was a normal way to calm her down. This physical behavior was always normal. So when I grabbed her wrist, it wasn't out of the ordinary per se. She decided to breach my trust by using this as a way to make a scene. It was something normal that she treated abnormally.
So to the people who say I should learn not to do these things, I don't think you understand the context. Be physical with your girlfriend, unless she's about to breach your trust. In that case- predict the future and don't touch the girl you're otherwise physically intimate with. You can't just not touch a girlfriend out of fear of how irrationally she might act.
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Industry, too. There's a lot of money in being a victim.
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Maybe weaker / stronger instead of smaller / larger.
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And then you get called things like the "quiet giant."
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She wasn't trying to escape. It's similar to the waste grab that is also normal for a boyfriend. Since we were already very intimate with each-other, I didn't see it as an intrusion, but more like a gesture I've done a million times in play. Except she was irritated, so bad move on my part. Her making a scene wasn't appropriate either way.
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She wasn't trying to escape. It's similar to the waste grab that is also normal for a boyfriend. Since we were already very intimate with each-other, I didn't see it as an intrusion, but more like a gesture I've done a million times in play. Except she was irritated, so bad move on my part. Her making a scene wasn't appropriate either way.
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Ah, the old "you're hurting me" gimmick. I dated a girl in college that pulled this in public. I was at a pretty nice restaurant with her, and she was getting upset about something I did or didn't do. She started getting louder, and I began patting her hand, telling her that we were in public and we could discuss it later. She didn't relent, and, not wanting to make a scene, I gentle placed my hand on her face, like you would if you were wiping away a tear on someone's cheek with your thumb, if that makes any sense. While I was doing that, I said, "Hey, I'll make it up to you." This somehow made her more furious, and she said loudly, "You slapped me!"
I reeled back, and said, "What?! No, I didn't!" but the white knights were on their way. In spite of protests from the two older ladies sitting at the table next to us, who had seen the whole thing go down, they grabbed me, and I let them lead me outside. One of them was our waiter, by the way. I was hoping they would just let me go, but the non-waiter wouldn't let go. He had me by the shirt, telling me how he was going to kick my ass for hurting a girl.
EDIT: I decided to remove the second half of this story because it's not as important as the first half. It also somewhat glorifies violence against these white knight types, and that's not my intention.
EDIT 2: Alright, I'll spill some of the info. Before I say anything, I want it clear that I DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE, unless your life is being threatened. When I was this age, I didn't feel so strongly about that point. Anyway, the waiter went back inside after he helped usher me out the door. He was fired later due to a complaint made by the girl. I hope that taught him a lesson about jumping to a girl's defense without any information. I still tried to avoid the fight, but the tough guy started wailing on me outside. I ended up with some pretty nasty bruises that still were sore after a week, and he ended up with four broken fingers, an ear that was partially torn off, and probably some pretty hurt ribs. The girl kept quiet about my name, and she left before anyone called the cops. That's probably why I never got in trouble for that. I don't think either of us paid for dinner.
I dated her for four more months like an idiot, until she threatened to kill herself for the 50th time. I was tired, told her to do it, and left.
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I want to hear what you did to those white knights.
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So wrong. These days, I carry all the time. It may sound heartless, but I refuse to pull my gun to save anyone but myself and people I know personally. It's too dangerous otherwise.
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This would've been the perfect opportunity for a defensive weapon like pepper spray. Getting accosted by a bunch of white knights? Pepper spray!
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See my edit in a second..
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White knights usually come in groups.
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Yeah I'm not going to provoke a group of guys. Sometimes you gotta know when you're beat.
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I called her the next day and told her that nobody has ever treated me as poorly as she did and she would need more than a lifetime to gain my respect again, so she should go eat shit.
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Believe it or not, she was still mad at me as if I had anything to do with it.
We separated on bad terms, and have never repaired any sort of relationship.
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That I have. Took the red-pill and have been single ever since.
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