Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is

Crafty_Letter_1719 · 2023-06-08T09:23:41+00:00

What do you think are the fundamental differences between “Female Nature” and “Male Nature”?

Epiphanic_Eros · 2023-06-08T12:57:23+00:00

Only a fool rails against nature. But more foolish still is to pretend to know nature, where one has only vague guesses and idle speculation

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2023-06-08T03:05:30+00:00

Congratulations. You just discovered The Red Pill.

NockerJoe · 2023-06-08T03:10:30+00:00

You can't decide what that looks like, though. If you accept this as being female nature you aren't required to still want a relationship with someone with those traits. Or you can want a physical relationship but not want to be legally bound to someone like that. Or you can try to go after neurodivergent women who have different traits. Or you can go into a niche subcommunity that doesn't have many women in it.

Your premise is basically "well it is what it is and theres nothing you can do" but theres a lot of things you can do and you aren't required to accept the default dynamic at any point.

Holden_Frame · 2023-06-08T20:24:27+00:00

Whether a man "accepts it" or not is up to the individual.

That doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, RP is about accepting the realities of women's nature (good and bad) and learning to work within those parameters.

Now, the real problem here, and the reason for the continued rise of RP and figures like Tate is women's seeming constant need to gaslight and lie about these realities until they are blue in the face.

We see it on PPD every day, and it's even worse in mainstream media. Some rap and comedy might be the only places where these things can even be discussed without getting cancelled, and even then, many of those people get dragged.

So, if your really want to complain about men "not accepting" women's nature, you might want to start with telling women to stop lying en masse about it.

Antisocialite99 · 2023-06-08T03:52:35+00:00

I feel like men are expected and expect themselves to rise above their nature, and that is all I really want from a woman, one who can entertain the idea that there are parts of her nature she needs to rise above, but really this does not seem like something many are willing or able to do. Like she doesn't have to be perfect by any means just realize it.

There are of course many who realize their childhood trauma and emotional issues are things they need to rise above, but not their nature the way most men seem to have some awareness of that same fact. Perhaps I am giving most men too much credit but societally at least there's been a message for eons that we need to chanrll our agression and rise above it.

chatterfly · 2023-06-08T12:57:58+00:00

Okay so I re-read the subreddit discription and I am absolutely baffled why such posts are even here... How is this not complete TRP material? There is no human female nature aside from having XX Chromosomes and having ovaries. The female nature of humans is carrying babies and birthing them. But even that is only possible if the male nature of having XY chromosomes and producing sperm is included. This is basically the human nature because without it we wouldn't be alive today.

If you reference any kind of social behaviour that are supposedly naturally connected to the female biology in humans I need some sources for that. Because while I agree that there were certain sex-based roles back when we all were hunters and gatherers (while we all hunted and certainly all gathered, regardless of sex), this was logical due to females producing milk and therefore being able to keep the offsprings alive and therefore secure the tribe.

But these times are over. Industrialization was the very very last piece of a otherwise complete puzzle that ensured that humans had freed themselves from their sex-based roles. But since then we had established a system of oppression and exploitation (capitalism) which is working best when supported by ideologies like the one you seem to follow, that says that humans are socially very distinct by nature due to sex even though it isn't scientifically proven and most of the hypotheses are already proven to be false.

So what are you meaning when you talk of female nature?

Because I can't try to change your mind when I don't understand your opinion...

M12_cavesrl · 2023-06-08T07:27:34+00:00

Disagree, monogamy should be the norm and human nature controlled

mvnnyvevwofrb · 2023-06-08T04:54:23+00:00

What is female nature? Is female nature to be extremely petty, and narcissistic? And to manipulate/exploit men? If it is, I can't see how that encourages men to be better. In fact, I think it just does the opposite. That makes men become really sinister.

Plopolok · 2023-06-08T05:43:25+00:00

That's basic red pill philosophy: things are what they are, adapt, take what you can and enjoy the decline. If you had written that 15 years ago, it would have been insightful. For something posted today on purple pill debate, I would find it more interesting to discuss what society could do about our natures, how we can organize our collective behaviors around them. Keep in mind that saying "being the best man you can" is misleading: for a lot of interpretations of "best man", that would mean lowering your sexual success. Men with low success will not want to keep doing this, they'll become worse if they have to, as long as they don't stay single.

13choppedup2chopped · 2023-06-08T04:18:20+00:00

Do women really react to men “doing better”? if it’s a natural instinct, then men are rewarded for conforming to women’s desires. Not sure why that makes them better.

BillyPilgrim75 · 2023-06-08T18:31:56+00:00

What the fuck is "female nature"?

Unnecessary-Training · 2023-06-08T05:23:57+00:00

There's no such thing as a homogeneous 'female nature' encompassing all 4 billion girls and women on the planet.

caption291 · 2023-06-08T03:24:40+00:00

Male nature hasn't changed in the last 200 years, but the way men 200 years ago treated women, is VERY different from the way men treat women today. Nature doesn't change, but humans can regulate their nature to some degree.

A big part of that change is that women didn't just blindly accept men's bullshit. Women didn't self-improve their way to being allowed to vote did they?

Women's nature isn't going to change...but they can still regulate it. Men used to regulate women's nature by force and that's not great...but that doesn't mean we have to just accept women's bullshit.

We should be angry at their bullshit because it's bullshit...We don't have to play around it.

Happy_Nuclear_End · 2023-06-08T03:28:26+00:00

"adapting to manipulate it to your advantage" so the redpill?

"shouldn't female nature push a man to want to do better in life and be better than them?" It gets kinda hard when the government and society as a whole give women free headstart at the expenses of men.

"we still desire relationships, love, children, and community" say for yourself, men are opting out relationships, understanding that no one will love them, that children are a massive liability and dropping out society.

"being the best man you can be" the effort necessary for it and lack of incentives make it a fools errand, why be a better men to give more free labour to a society that despise you.

As one of the best quotes of a movie: "All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' "

obviousredflag · 2023-06-08T05:12:57+00:00

so what's the point in being mad about it

Because despite being redpill, those men do not actually want to change and reap the rewards. They want to get things handed to them.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2023-06-08T08:22:48+00:00

Actual nature is conteracted by nuture all the freaking time.

That's why red pill will forever be on a hamster wheel. Nature is contradicted constantly by nurture and individual choices. We constantly readapt to our surronding and changing information

OkPresentation8217 · 2023-06-08T06:27:51+00:00

It's socially constructed so we can change it.

shonenhikada · 2023-06-08T12:42:06+00:00

Male nature is to impregnate as much women as possible. Do you think it is socially sustainable or good to accept that?

EdwardTheeMasterful · 2023-06-08T13:41:28+00:00

How come nobody says that same thing about male nature? But the world wants to flip what men like, call it immoral and the like. If women want a rich husband that’s ok because he can take care of her.

If a man wants to be rich only to have a harem that’s dumb and selfish and he’s a fukboi. Whatever women like is seen as politically correct while what men like is just some growing up to do. Yet any woman will shout out how this western society is not gynocentric because they don’t get the mythical 76 cents to their male counterparts dollar.

Women are mad at male nature but men are expected to again be held at higher accountability and responsibility than women and tolerate and accept female nature. How can women ever truly be seen as equal 🟰 when they consistently need an excuse crutch 🩼 legally and morally and socially? If women can be angry men desire to copulate with them then why shouldn’t men be angry about women being the instigators of male competition and having to be born tall from genetic lottery casino, plus get rich or die trying for the sake of furthering his genes?

This why it’s better to have a daughter over a son if you want to continue your heritage and be a grandparent. Your odds are better. The son might fail especially when he’s more likely to develop problems and ailments like autism, be the competitor against other males for females and still have to summit women’s stupidficial standards just to have a family.

So yah since life and dating is harder and shorter for men full to the brim with bullshit expectations not equally expected of women I’d say men have every right to angrily adapt. While women are bitter that men have instincts to mate with them.

WilliamWyattD · 2023-06-08T03:17:55+00:00

Nature is real, but the nature and nurture dance is also real, and complex. There are things that can be done to properly tune and calibrate female--or male--nature.

InjectAdrenochrome · 2023-06-08T03:15:32+00:00

I always thought the red pill was a coping mechanism for unsuccessful guys to help put everything into a little box, have everything be simple, easy, systematic. Lemme tell you, there is no female nature, there is no order to the universe, there is no queen of England! Plenty of guys who aren't "high value" get an inexplicable amount if positive female attention. They're not good looking, smart, know game, or have a shitzillion dollars. And yet they slay.

Just learn to deal with the entropy of a cold uncaring universe and move on.

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2023-06-08T02:56:03+00:00

But but but… it’s hard! And if Stacy won’t give me her virginity then it’s a waste of time! /s

nonamejakejohnson · 2023-06-08T05:55:50+00:00

Yeah but...what's female nature anyways? And I don't believe any of the red pillers' definitions of it...all of them say something different. There is no consistency. Wouldn't it be easier just treating people as individuals?

SDinAsia · 2023-06-08T04:54:49+00:00

Yes, that is the Red Pill. Me and women are different, and there's no point pretending otherwise.

Plazmatron44 · 2023-06-08T10:47:50+00:00

Being angry at women for their nature just means you're in the red pill rage phase, some stay in it for longer than others but moving on from being angry about it is the best way.

2023-06-08T13:46:53+00:00

I do not believe female nature is inherently bad, if anything modern liberal society and late stage feminism have taught women to suppress their female nature and act more masculine and combative. Being modest is seen as a weakness or regressive. The only people encouraged to fully express what was typically female characteristics are gay men and trans women.

Yet men are still fully expected to be chivalrous and hold onto their gender stereotypes so long as they benefit women.

There is a reason things like the Passport Bros is becoming a trend. Men are discovering a variation of what you posted above... they might not be able to change modern female behavior (not female nature) but they can SEEK true female nature in cultures that have not abandoned it!

giddy-girly-banana · 2023-06-08T14:26:43+00:00

That’s a lot of words that show you don’t understand anything.

SpiritualBlob · 2023-06-08T16:38:27+00:00

Could be. Or you could then change male nature to benefit female nature the least. If I am going to suffer from their whims in dating, they can suffer from mine. There ya go :D

Rude_Macaron2021 · 2023-06-08T13:50:29+00:00

There is still some benefit for men dating women, but it is marginal.

Honestly, often thing women have to do today is to exist and not be so fat, and give the guy sex, and apparently even asking for that is sexist.

Meanwhile, women ask for all kind of stupid things like men being over 6' even when less than 20% of them are like that, men earning over 100k even if less than 5% of men earn that, etc. Totally delusional. Even if they do settle for average, they expect the guy to pay for everything, they feel free to not work but also not help in the house, etc.

We see men dating single moms, or cheating women... it is so disheartening, because those men are basically voluntarily losing money and time for just masturbating with a body. Average Men are basically being scammed by women.

Alarmed-Rent-5384 · 2023-06-08T09:31:50+00:00

Yeah the thing i say is you cant say it is what it is with male nature but condemning female nature saying its bad and should not be ok

george__whorewell · 2023-06-08T18:01:09+00:00

I think that's just the red pill tbh

Ohmaygahh · 2023-06-08T20:25:44+00:00

Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is

It is true. The crux of it is that this truth of the female psyche needs to be refined, distilled to a core message that is 100% true and irrefutable, and then widely disseminated (with a special emphasis on adolescents and young men. ).

All this so that they may be better equipped to manage the women in their lives. I think even talking about it disabuses many a naïve and inexperienced man's notions of what is a woman, chiefly in a sexual/romantic sense.

v1cgt · 2023-06-08T23:28:50+00:00

Correct, acceptance is the way, there's a reason they call it red pill rage the second step in the process.

I don't get mad at a dog for barking it's a dog it's supposed to bark.

2023-06-10T13:02:41+00:00

"Nature" doesn't mean "unchangeable". Our brains are highly flexible chunks of matter that can change through external effort.

AgeOfReasonEnds31120 · 2023-06-10T17:28:00+00:00

It's not "natural" for women to be attracted to wealth. Wealth is an entirely man-made thing... and even if you mean "resources", it's a product of gender expectations, it's destroying the nuclear family and the dating world, and it needs to stop. This is a cultural problem; not a biological one.

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Title	Even if Female Nature is true, there's no benefit being mad at it and we must accept it for what it is
Author	JupiterJazzX
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Date	June 8, 2023 2:49 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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