Incels: a new study.

hwjk1997 · 2023-11-27T16:52:09+00:00

I'd say the part about attractiveness is flawed because they forgot about the halo effect. If you're attractive, you're going to be seen as more intelligent, kind, and funny than a guy who is unattractive. Also, looks are the first thing people notice so if women decides you're too ugly to talk to, being kind, intelligent, and funny doesn't matter.

Throwawayingaccount · 2023-11-27T16:05:18+00:00

A big part of incels that is rarely spoken about.

The fact that a word who's original meaning, and entymology literally means "Person unable to find a sexual partner" has morphed into "awful person" speaks VOLUMES as to the views of the people who use this word to mean "awful person"

Generally, those I've heard to be most vocally against incels are ALSO those who keep talking about how we need to deconstruct toxic masculinity, and that toxic masculinity is based around the 'lie that sexual activity is a measure of worth of a man'.

This contradiction of views will often lead people to disregard the person stating them as a hypocrite.

randyoftheinternet · 2023-11-27T14:36:15+00:00

2 things :

How do you know what they over and under-estimate ? What's the baseline ? Because you can't just take what women say about it and call it a day.

Them being far more autistic than the general population doesn't indicate their approach is skewed by autism per say. Autists tend to be cast aside in most social contexts, and you can link a lot of it with simple non verbal cues.

AbysmalDescent · 2023-11-27T15:28:42+00:00

A woman's physical attraction generally determines how funny and charming she finds that guy and, vice versa, the more attraction a man receives from women the easier it is for him to be himself, develop confidence through positive feedback and to find other women to be attracted to him(which also creates this effect in which women find him, or his personality, more attractive because they see other women find him attractive).

Incels have it mostly right about women, it's the mainstream narrative as a whole that has these false assumptions about women. Everything about the way society treats and understands women is skewed in their favor. People want to believe that women are more just, mature and caring than they really are, and even the way we define these terms are inherently biased because they are shaped around this idealized perception of women.

There's also plenty of data out there to suggest that women tend to romanticize toxic traits/personalities, especially when they are associated with tall/attractive men. This includes women romanticizing infidelity, womanizing and violent/abusive tendencies in attractive men. It's also very clear that women, as a whole, also perpetuate and impose a lot lot of very toxic gender stereotypes onto men, in terms of physicality, personality, disposition and status/success.

zoxzoxzo · 2023-11-27T17:09:25+00:00

It is enough to disagree with feminist on something and you'll be automatically labeled as incel, so the word has lost its meaning practically (or gained a new one)

Angryasfk · 2023-11-27T14:38:37+00:00

I think most incels are sad people who need sympathy rather than the hostility feminists give them.

I would be willing to apply this to many of the sad and jaded women that inhabit feminist spaces but for one vital difference: feminism has changed laws, and led to major policy changes that cause serious harm and discrimination to men of all colours and creeds. Feminists cannot point to a SINGLE law, or even one case of women missing out on employment due to Incel influence!

That’s the difference between being sad and embittered and being vicious and influential. Feminists and the rest of the “woke brigade” love to talk about “prejudice PLUS power”. Well Incels have no power, and feminists have it in spades, especially compared to Incels.

In a just world “feminist” would be a bigger term of abuse than “Incel”!

Euphoric-Beat-7206 · 2023-11-27T20:59:44+00:00

This seems mostly accurate, but the incels are not wrong when it comes to image 7. They are spot on with pin point accuracy.

If you have $0 and you are short & fat & ugly with no style...

You can and will have a bad time dating.

It doesn't matter if you are the most kind, and funny and witty guy out there. You are not going to get a seat at the table. You will never be given a chance in the first place. Women will toss you in the friend zone if they are even willing to talk to you.

Being intelligent, kind, or funny along with other positive personality traits only ever comes in after they have agreed to consider you.

When they are considering you they are looking at your physical appearance, and social status. A woman knows within 5 seconds of meeting you if you are in or out.

That initial first impression is all it takes.

After that first impression, once you are "in". Then things like being intelligent, funny, and kind can go a long ways. When you are rejected on site it doesn't matter.

imperator285 · 2023-11-27T15:19:16+00:00

"Estimates range between 40,000 and hundreds of thousands." Lol uhm, what? It's easily in the millions.

Saelaird · 2023-11-27T14:58:30+00:00

A world with lots of sexually disenfranchised men is a very dangerous world indeed. We're getting closer and closer.

Johntoreno · 2023-11-27T16:57:23+00:00

"Incel" is just any male who doesn't agree with an SJW Feminist. The word has lost all meaning, its just a slur now.

TheNextPlay · 2023-11-27T23:44:07+00:00

Keep in mind, more than half of all young men 18-29 are perpetually single, twice as much reported in 2019, and about 5x as much compared to 2000s and early 2010s.

This is due to the rise in social media apps like instagram and tiktok, as well as the rise in dating apps like tinder and bumble.

As a result, that "hundreds of thousands" number? It's gonna be in the tens of millions very soon. Soon the term incel will encompass a HUGE majority of men.

TheTinMenBlog · 2023-11-27T14:22:49+00:00

Incels. Another group of men to be misunderstood, turned into a caricature, and subsequently thrown in the societal dustbin.

Routinely and incessantly mischaracterised, or vilified, incels rarely become the subject of grown up discussion; and instead are turned into another prop for humour, a ghoul, or another slur to sling at men.

There is no denying that there is a large and growing group of angry, disenfranchised, lonely men, pushed into the furtherest corners of the online world.

There is no denying that is a major problem, that is not going away.

The problem is how the conversation around them, is being driven by lazy, low-IQ social media acolytes, inserting their own personal opinions into the discussion, and using the problem as a prop for their own political ends.

The problem is how “incel” has become another meaningless slur, and how beneath the shrieks and shouts of condemnation, the actual men who have fallen into this culture itself, are shouted down, deprived of help, and only radicalised further.

This is the extreme and ugly side of mental health, so where have all our mental health advocates gone?And who are incels?

Amongst the misperceptions, misfortunes and misrepresentations, has anyone ever studied incels directly?T

urns out, no.

The was until researcher and PhD candidate William Costello built a bridge between himself of the incel community and, for the first time, spoke to incels to find out who they are, how they see the world, and asked them – what do you want?

The answers, many of which go against popular representations, are both intriguing and upsetting.So tell me, what is to be said about incels?And how do we help them?

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Images by Rhett Noonan, and Dmitry Chernyshov.Illustrations by Janik Solar

Study

Study 02

EverVigilant1 · 2023-11-27T15:33:16+00:00

When the researcher claims men are under/overestimating what women want in a partner, what is meant by "partner"? Women put men into three "baskets": (1) the Chad/sex partner basket; (2) the "relationship material" basket; and (3) the "male" basket. If women want a sex partner they are looking for body/sexual attractiveness and that's it. If they're looking for "relationships", they're looking for provider ability and "niceness" (translation: She can lie to him, manipulate him, use and exploit him.). Women pick basket (1) for sex and fun; basket (2) for long term relationships; and basket 3 is shunted aside and ignored.

Men aren't overestimating women's desire for physical appearance/attractiveness. There's been a shift in what women can demand from the market. Second, there's a huge difference between what women claim to want when being surveyed; and what women show and demonstrate they actually want when women are out there selecting men for sex and other couplings. This distinction is continually lost on researchers - it never occurs to them that women are lying or virtue signaling.

B1G_Fan · 2023-11-28T02:21:35+00:00

"The black-pill describes a particularly bleak 'truth' to swallow: the belief that sexual attraction is mostly fixed and there is nothing that incels can do to improve their romantic prospects"

I love how the 6th slide implies that this idea is false with no evidence to refute this assertion.

"Incels significantly overestimated the importance of physical attractiveness and financial prospects to women, and underestimated the importance of intelligence, kindness, and humor"

I don't know; "significantly overestimated" seems to be an exaggeration as the perception of attractiveness in terms of importance seems to be right in line with the perception of non-incel men.

Granted, yes, incels seem to underestimate the importance of intelligence, kindness, and humor. But, who are the non-incel men who seem to claim that intelligence, kindness, and humor can even the odds? What evidence is there that the non-incel men are successful with women despite lacking the attractiveness that incels supposedly overestimate is necessary to be successful with women?

The 7th slide seems to imply that the "black-pill" is wrong, but it would help if there was clarification. For example, what evidence is there to imply that women are pursuing men with above average intelligence, kindness, and humor and below average physical attractiveness and financial prospects?

On top of all of those questions, it seems as though interviewing only 151 "incels" and only 149 "non-incels" seems like a very small sample size.

The "study" seems to suggest that "incel" expectations of women aren't as high the media claims that they are, so kudos to the researcher for acknowledging that not every "incel" has unreasonable expectations. But, overall, a pretty disappointing "study"

mrkpxx · 2023-11-27T19:43:26+00:00

The thoughts of an incel are completely understandable. Any other minority that grows into society with disadvantages would be met with understanding or assistance. Those who also criminalize these boys are guilty of something that will be talked about with shame and disgrace in a few decades.

mrmensplights · 2023-11-28T03:12:34+00:00

overestimated the importance of physical attractiveness and financial prospects [...] underestimated the importance of intelligence, kindness, humour

The way this is worded makes it seem like incels are miscalculating, but the estimation is just in relation to non-incel men. It doesn't mean the estimation of incel men is wrong. It's jus as true to say non-incel men are overestimating the importance of intelligence, kindness an humor and underestimating the importane of attractiveness and financial prospects.

If you look at the graph incel and non-incel men are pretty well correlated with their beliefs. All men agree generally. It doesn't surprise me at all that non-incel men would have a greater chance of attributing their success to humor, intelligence, and kindness.

UniversityEastern542 · 2023-11-27T16:31:43+00:00

Quality info. The point about online misogyny is interesting, because I'd largely blame reddit for the perception that inceldom is a cause of online anti-feminism, which isn't the case in the slightest, and probably rooted in the belief that misogynists don't talk to enough women, which is some bad reasoning. Some of the guys I know with the most experience with women are also the most critical of women's behavior. People who spend time around women and observe their behavior know women are just as likely to be shitty people as men.

The point about incels misjudging women's dating preferences is probably wrong. Women might declare that they want kind, loyal and dependable men, but in reality, most women date, and especially have sex with, men for almost any other reason. Even women who do value these traits tend to be poor judges of character and mistake aloofness or non-chalant behavior for kindness, since it's sexually non-threatening, and often mistake being an asshole for maturity and confidence.

evo1d0er · 2023-11-27T18:59:27+00:00

Looks do matter way more than society (especially women) will admit

UniversalMonkArtist · 2023-11-27T18:01:20+00:00

After 7 years of hearing about "incels", I still have no idea who or what they are. It seems to be this broad, all encompassing group of men (and women), but there's still no precise definition. If you look at the roots of the "incel" movement, it was started by a woman and made for other women who had trouble getting laid. Now it applies to people who hate Brie Larson. Dating apps changed all of that. I take it this study only talked to people who identify as "incels". Labels are harmful and they need to be more specific. My take is that people who have undiagnosed autism and are on the spectrum struggle the most with dating and intimacy, but this remains to be seen in the studies.

infinitofluxo · 2023-11-28T02:51:03+00:00

I find it funny that now they refute the black pill with autism. Women have no flaws or morally doubted evolutionary demands, the losers are just autistic and can't see how amazing women truly are.

Are autists supposed to be fucking ugly too?

dolltron69 · 2023-11-27T21:00:57+00:00

Incel became a slur, and the term lacks clarity. It's usually not to do with sex but being chronically single and wishing not to be. An unwanted bad condition of mind/body presenting with other conditions.

If you was to try and give it a clinical name it'd look like:

Malignant Bachelor Disorder

L0cked4fun · 2023-11-27T19:13:45+00:00

The 3 overestimated factors are what start relationships, but the underestimated factors are what keep them going. If someone is poor in the first 3 but rich in the rest it wouldn't matter if they can't start a relationship.

No_String_533 · 2023-11-27T23:15:45+00:00

According to Pew Research 63% of men 18-30 aren't in relationships and I'm sure some of them are having sex sometimes but I bet most aren't so that's a huge number of men. I think these surveys are taken from incel forums and given how incels are demonized I doubt many people join these forums because you have nothing to gain and a lot to lose from joining them. Joining an incel forum is like saying you're a terrorist.

None_of_your_Beezwax · 2023-11-28T03:07:56+00:00

So "incel" is basically a slur against people with a disability?

1antinomy · 2023-11-28T06:48:08+00:00

I think incels get the brunt of attacks that women refuse to address with the men they actually sleep with

Randomuser223556 · 2023-11-27T18:08:32+00:00

I am actually one of the incels who filled out William Costello’s survey some time ago now. He offered us payment. Many of my fellow truecels told me not to fill out the survey or help in the research due to a fear of misrepresentation. I’ll have to take a look at this now for sure.

Blauwpetje · 2023-11-27T18:36:26+00:00

Yes, I used to like William Costello. Still think he means well, but he seems to say: oh no incels aren’t evil, they’re just mentally deranged. Who needs enemies with such friends? Also, to explore if they have wrong thoughts about women’s preferences, you shouldn’t do research on incels but on women. How thoroughly did he do that?

hotpotato128 · 2023-11-27T22:07:50+00:00

I define "incel" as someone who objectively can't find a sexual partner. My definition of incel is much stricter. Most people who claim to be "incels" are not incels.

r_c2999 · 2023-11-27T14:54:58+00:00

How is it a significant minority if it’s only 10%? I don’t think there was need for the word significant there. Nevertheless, great post. I never even thought about the prevalence of autism in the Incel community.

coperrra · 2023-11-27T16:51:31+00:00

I disagree that its autisms fault. Thats a slap & a sneeze away from “its all in your head sweetie”.

brainhack3r · 2023-11-27T15:43:51+00:00

Q: What do you call female incels?

A: Feminists.

NeoNotNeo · 2023-11-27T23:58:58+00:00

I’ve yet to meet one incel.

But

I can count half dozen women who loudly proclaim that they SHOULD be married and somehow the world failed them. They are angry and some say the most vile things about men.

CivilianMonty · 2023-11-27T22:29:31+00:00

Really?! For all men "Loyal and Dependable" is only a 7 or 8?

What kind of ranking? Like 7 out of 10 care and the other 3 don't care if their partner is loyal and dependable? I find this hard to believe....

Or it really has all gone to shit and expectations are that low

Trev6ft5 · 2023-11-28T02:23:08+00:00

Just like a woman calling a guy she's hit on a virgin for turning her down, nowadays they say incel. Term has lost it's meaning other than an insult.

On the face of it those stats are full of holes

2023-11-28T05:56:14+00:00

I am disgusted when I see people use the word incel as an insult. It just means involuntary celibate. No one should be shamed for something like that. If anything sleeping around with strangers should be the questionable thing. Either way just because you disagree with someone doesn’t mean you should name call like a child. Which is what I see a lot of women do with the word incel which again is not a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with being an incel.

Status-Associate6318 · 2023-11-28T10:42:45+00:00

Since 'incel' is specifically thrown at men who aren't sexually active as others (or at all), wouldn't this exacerbate their eagerness to have sex? Could this be a reason why men "act like pigs" a lot? Why are women slut-shamed and men are shamed for virginity? Why is sex seen as this important yet sinful thing? I find there's so many contradictions in this, and I think maybe what could resolve a few things is if people stopped acting like the number of times you've had sex matters. It's so weird that full grown adults would say such adolescent things as, "Lol you're a virgin" or "Lol do better, slut."

hendrixski · 2023-11-28T12:01:36+00:00

Interesting last slide. So "incel" is effectively a slur against mental disability in men?

Incel : adj : derogatory term for virginity in a male individual, generally one with developmental disabilities such as autism, or with physical deformities. Synonyms: virgin, autistic, retarded, special needs, tard, unlucky in love, Quasimodo, ugly.

Mobile_Lumpy · 2023-11-27T22:48:01+00:00

Love how the only thing missing from the majority of reddit "incel" discussions are actual incels. Because talking with each other amongst non-incel people on reddit sure give us a clear accurate no bias image of incels. Most of the time it's just normies calling each other incels to win a political debate. Most productive...

Marvinkmooneyoz · 2023-11-27T18:04:55+00:00

Was this what women SAID they wanted, or did they do the hard work of figuring out how this attributes actually get weighed?

Admirable-Type-1928 · 2023-11-27T20:34:16+00:00

Another beautiful, well-structured post by the man himself. Keep it up.

Mr_Average100 · 2023-11-28T15:34:06+00:00

Jeremy Meeks is literal proof of blackpill. Our word is literally a joke to live in

Wylanderuk · 2023-11-27T16:35:04+00:00

Yeah if they are right about a lot of autists being incels perhaps the overestimate of what women want being due to them fucking listening to what women actually say they want and them taking it to heart.

Then there is that entire "social awkwardness" thing they have going which is going to perhaps kick the legs out from under two out of the three things they supposedly underestimate.

bioh4ckdr · 2023-11-27T20:19:48+00:00

Feminsits will crucify you mate.

BasicsofPain · 2023-11-29T04:00:34+00:00

In the fifth slide, they mention “hostile online misogyny” I’d be curious how that is defined. Most mainstream media would consider this Reddit “hostile online misogyny”

ThumpingB · 2023-11-27T16:00:22+00:00

Slide 7 is telling to the incel psychology, how the only 2 categories that incels score higher in than non-incels is looks. Combined with the relatively low estimate on fashion and the core of black pill ideology, it seems an incels self-worth/value/perception/etc is tied to their natural appearance above all else.

DaJosuave · 2023-11-28T08:25:07+00:00

It's another one of those BS studies that are really meant to indoctrinate hate towards undersized and marginalized populations.

You know, like the Nazis towards the Jews.

reelmeish · 2023-11-28T05:14:18+00:00

Interesting

GazPlay · 2023-11-28T09:43:10+00:00

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

2023-11-29T00:26:06+00:00

This study was definitely done by a blue pill who doesn’t give a fuck about men’s issues

darkuen · 2023-11-29T01:52:52+00:00

Treat people who use that word the same way I treat people who use “woke”. As someone not worth listening to.

Traditional-Base7414 · 2023-12-01T13:17:45+00:00

An overused insult. Seen married men be called that for disagreeing with a Feminist.

SoulBadguy0408 · 2023-11-27T16:51:40+00:00

I'm not gonna say I love Incels because I feel like for those who struggle far more than the average man in dating that there might be valid criticisms. These things have their nuances. I think it's easy to end up in certain traps of over valuing online dating apps and therefore focusing too much on looks and also because socializing is hard and risky it can get neglected rather than actually facing the difficulties.

However, most people are totally on the other end, and I'm just like, you guys are assuming the worst about a larger group of people based on a smaller minority of them. Like I seriously doubt the narratives about how older male virgins are a bunch of violent extremists lmao. Mainly, just decent people with overly male dominated hobbies are their only thing, and even then, it isn't always easy to connect with other men sometimes.

I'd also not doubt that for some people, it is the case that maybe they would have too high standards and it is keeping them single, but tbf is that bad to maintain some standards? I doubt the same people saying such things would tolerate abuse or some other dealbreakers. Although when you genuinely have zero options, then idk how much that matters, and if anything, some end up so desperate they'd take any option, which is another criticism. It just seems like there are conflicting stories on the whole incel thing, tho. The people who give some of the worst advice or try to be nice about it in the most failing way don't help either, and you just know they'd not fair better in the situation themselves.

noserotonyn · 2023-11-27T16:04:28+00:00

So he did a study to destigmatize incels, stigmatizing them as autistic, good job

2023-11-27T15:50:04+00:00

Its really just an insult for people who notice how shitty some people are acting

UniversalMonkArtist · 2023-11-27T18:15:26+00:00

I'm glad to see that someone finally autism has a lot to do with it.

I'd also love to see a breakdown of ages. Here on reddit the incels seem to be in early 20's and autistic for sure.

But the seem to be almost proud of being autistic.

Hornydaddy696 · 2023-11-27T21:12:38+00:00

Incels is kinda a term purposely designed to sound like an insult so I'd exercise caution against it.

But, I have some observations that might help. The group is largely comprised of nerds, not exclusively but predominantly.

The problem with being a nerd is lack of interaction with other humans and being cut out from social interactions on a human level.

These kinds of ways to grow up come with a set of missing information on normative social cues like, how to interpret if someone who comes to workout next to you is trying to suggest interest. And there are many more from bars to other places.

They don't know it because they had no one to tell it. And the thing I've seen we do in USA is just call it a mental disorder instead of understanding that if the information is presented to them, they'll be like the others too.

Coming to mating strategy. Most of them are frustrated by rejections because they want love & affection than a physical past time in a long term partner. But the problem arise with looks. Most of them look extremely repulsive because of again - lack of information on how to improve themselves. Can they watch YouTube videos - in modern day, yes. But then again, most of these gurus are fake salesmen.

We all know how seeding and mating plays a crucial role in male psycho social development and evolution of "game" or the behavior to interact and hold a conversation. Since they can't get that... They'll lack on the psycho social development in that aspect too.

To this day I've never been invited to a sleepover and I seriously have no idea what happens in there. Imagine that on the mating grounds??? I'd be fucking lost too. So, I get that.

We keep complaining about how the other gender or any one else has set such standards for mating but if you look at how someone has led their lives..... You'll know

Aligatorz · 2023-11-28T07:27:10+00:00

I really think the vast majority of incels are either just autistic young men , or young men who have not matured mentally yet, so they blame women for their problems

Modern feminists are similar in that they overly vilify the opposite gender and blame them for everything

What irks me is , feminists get praised for their immaturity and hate , but incels get vilified

Red_Dwarf_42 · 2023-11-27T23:30:01+00:00

So how do we fix #7?

Dashing2025 · 2023-11-27T14:49:32+00:00

I don't want to be too quick to dismiss the theory of Autism prevalence amongst the inc*l community, but we certainly cannot underestimate the extent of the toxicity of modern dating: far too many men see women as sex objects, and women see men as validating admirers. Our pleasure-oriented societies leave little room for loyal long-term sentimental relations between men and women.

ThatTubaGuy03 · 2023-11-27T18:30:36+00:00

I appreciate the study but it's ignoring the huge difference between "involuntarily celibate" and "incel". For better or worse, no one cares if you are involuntarily celibate. It really doesn't matter. The thing people care about is people who go by or fit the stereotypical incel criteria, it's these people who are the misogynists, the "nice guys", the problem. If that's not you, no one really cares whether or not you've had sex, it's whether you are a bitch about it or not

landonnnnnnnn · 2023-11-28T01:26:13+00:00

I don’t believe for a second that 95% of involuntarily celibate male think that there is nothing that they can do to improve their romantic prospects. That’s fucking ridiculous and makes me strongly question the validity of the rest of this study

UniversalMonkArtist · 2023-11-27T21:47:57+00:00

Oy, this thread brought out a lot of incels.

Have you all been hiding here this whole time and just not wanting anyone to know or what?!

Serious question. lol

smoishymoishes · 2023-11-27T19:14:16+00:00

So wait.... Incels have lower dating standards, think women are gold diggers for a guy with good looks, and don't get why all the women they deal with come off as scandalous or women of ill-repute?

Color me baffled.

When the only women you pin your attention at are the easy maidens, thou shall experience ladies who aren't marriage material. Shocker.

Futureman999 · 2023-11-28T02:35:02+00:00

I'm not even sure "incels" actually exist, or almost none anyway. Male libido is almost always higher than female, so no matter how tall, good looking, confident, rich, charismatic we are, women are less likely to be buying than we are to be selling.

Exhibit A: Bisexual men report much more matches on Grindr than Tinder.

Exhibit B: Take men out of the equation completely and sex dies.

So in a sense we're ALL incells, from time to time. Until we're not.

El_Psy_Congroo4477 · 2023-11-28T08:53:08+00:00

Incel is a state of mind. If a poor, scrawny nerd like me can get women, then there's nothing stopping "incels" other than themselves.

However I'd argue that the majority of women have selfish reasons for wanting a relationship and aren't worth men's time. I say this not as an incel but as a man who is sick of playing women's games. Incels could get taken advantage of just as much as the rest of us, if they'd simply apply themselves.

Quiet-Worldliness709 · 2023-11-27T15:37:33+00:00

Men have enough to deal with without speaking senseless doom onto themselves. Remove this incel word from your lexicons. Even in its original meaning it doesn’t exist. No matter how physically repulsive or bland (or even repugnant) a personality one has there is someone who would be happy and willing to suck the meat from your bones and love you for the rest of your life. You only need self awareness and realistic goals, maybe a change of location. It’s a big world out there.

Edit: the downvotes are bizarre.

jarmbur · 2023-11-27T17:44:26+00:00

Why is anyone involuntarily celibate? Take a trip to Vegas and get some wtf

Cephalon_Gilgamesh · 2023-11-27T16:44:17+00:00

Incels are sad, but I won't do them the dishonour of pitying them.

Homever I can say this:

Fuck the blackpill, and FUCK not putting any effort because of it.

bluehorserunning · 2023-11-27T17:18:14+00:00

That’s a pretty gentle definition of what ‘black pill’ means.

walterrys1 · 2023-11-28T01:57:55+00:00

My question is: do men actually self identify as "incel" or is it including men who can't get a partner (i.e. an involuntary celibate).

I'm not an incel but I do not have a gf. I am a pro feminist social justice peasant who believes in liberal ideas. I am not trying to get a gf right now, but I feel I might be an inincel, am involuntary incel.....who determines this?

If it's self identifying only than fine.

STAYotte · 2023-11-27T15:56:57+00:00

I don't know how much I'm willing to believe this, I have a few questions. What's the average rate that men in general engage with misogynist behaviors. Cause if it's a rare far lower than incels then saying incels are more likely to engage in misogynist behaviors is appropriate. Also if 95% of incels engage in "Black pill" where they think nothing can be done to improve themselves, then why do they think women value money? Surely if you increase your money amount you'd get more bitches if you think women care so much about money. That isn't satisfying to the incels cause that means they'd have to work harder on themselves. Really, incels are people participating in bad behaviors who aren't willing to change in enough meaningful ways to get the types of relationships they want.

queenAlexislexis · 2023-11-28T08:24:45+00:00

Asamiya1978 · 2023-11-29T19:56:04+00:00

Where can I read the study? I only see an image.

Void_Processing · 2023-12-01T14:40:09+00:00

All my life I have been good at getting to the source of problems or figuring out the sources of problems. Incels, men who struggle to find healthy sexual relationships, what is the cause of this problem I have also suffered from I asked my self.

Over 10 months of homelessness later I believe I have figured it out! And the reason is UGLY OLD WOMEN TRYING TO RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!

I spent a long time getting this information, and I even have people after me for figuring it out, but yes behind the scenes this ugly old female mother types are manipulating everything from the shadows to they look like the big heroes, get all the glory and love and men are left looking like the enemy and with all the shit and the hate and the aggression.

Why?

They are terrified of a world progressing without them, and of people being happy without them, and of not being appreciated so they have corrupted the world and weaker minds into the mess and shit it is today.

How?

They raise kids from birth, and during this time they have access to pure consciousness aka the universe and a moulding it with fear and twisted logic into a type of energy they can control, they are turning the world into a hellscape they can control by twisting people and turning them against each other.

No need to thank me.

hornysquirrrel · 2023-12-16T19:23:46+00:00

Even sources aren't always true take this with a grain of salt

liltrex94 · 2023-12-17T13:26:29+00:00

Great, another study that doesn't proportionally affect 'all men' like you would like it to

Title	Incels: a new study.
Author	TheTinMenBlog
Upvotes	910
Comments	439
Date	November 27, 2023 2:22 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/18542ai/incels_a_new_study/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/incels-a-new-study.1239480 https://theredarchive.com/post/1239480

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