Weekly Community Chat Megathread

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This weekly thread is designed to be a place for all the funny discussions on PPD. Feel free to post off-topic questions, information, points-of-view, etc......

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I feel that people misunderstand the complaints of men here about women's standards of attraction when they point out that average and below-average men still find relationships; it's roughly analogous to the people that claim ugly women are desired because they can still have casual sex.

A relationship, in and of itself, says nothing about whether his partner desires him. Women will enter into relationships with men they don't find particularly sexually attractive for a variety of reasons, many of them not especially selfish or malicious. But the problem comes from the fact men still want a good sexual component to their relationship, and in this regard, there's no substitute for actual, active, positive sexual desire. You can't emotionally fulfill your way into being a stud, and it will reflect in the quality of your sex life.

So next time you consider using the Wal-Mart couples as an argument, ask yourself what their sex life is like.

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Couples with a decent amount of things in common and who are relatively looks/charms-matched seem like the best couples to me. They literally are the annoying happy couples lol.

I admit they’re not the most common because alignment isn’t easy to find generally. But they exist across the SMV spectrum. It’s not like they’re clustered on the high end where only models dating models are happy and cheesy together or something.

As far as “she can withhold sex.” I’m sure Ryan Gosling feels the same way about Eva Mendes sometimes. That Brad Pitt felt the same way about Angelina Jolie. That Justin Timberlake feels the same way about Jessica Biel sometimes.

That’s bound to happen when you have a high T boner haver entering into a relationship with someone who isn’t high T and who doesn’t get boners, but instead gets periods and pussy chafing and less frequent orgasms.

Being a “Chad” doesn’t change the dimorphism of men and women.

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I assumed mutual attraction in mine as well. And agreed on compatible personalities.

I say looks / charms match because unfortunately even with mutual attraction, when the looks / charms are mismatched I notice folks can’t help but get jealous or resentful or a wandering eye. It’s not as sound and happy as the mutually attracted looks and charms matched couples.

As far as withholding sex.

I just don’t know if I know of a woman who has ever ever withheld sex from her partner when she actually desired to fuck them. I have plenty female friends. This simply isn’t a thing.

The women who are using sex as a “I’ll have sex with you if you mow the lawn” don’t really want to have sex with him at that juncture anyway. So yeah. She’s trying to make it a better deal for herself and I get it even though the behavior is assholeish. If I were the man I would leave or address that. In these cases the issue is lack of attraction or she genuinely doesn’t feel well or up to it. Because like I said. No woman “withholds sex” when she wants to have sex lol. If she’s not having sex she simply isn’t in the mood or doesn’t want to.

It’s very rare a woman actually wants to have sex with her husband but has noticed her husband won’t help out at all unless she uses sex as a reward. If that’s the case she married an ass and so she’s responding in-kind.

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It's an egg of a Gallus Gallus Domesticus

Colloquially speaking, yes.

Technically speaking the eggs of the females of sexually reproducing species only refer to the female gamete (ovum). When it combines with the male gamete (sperm) it ceases to be an egg (scientifically), and becomes a whole living unique individual of the appropriate species.

And scientifically speaking a fetus is as whole a unique individual living human being as you are, it is just in an earlier stage of development.

I'm okay with people saying that abortion is killing

Whether you are OK with it is irrelevant, that’s what it actually is by every denotation and connotation of the word.

So, to be logically consistent with your position you’d also have to support the right of any individual to kill any other live individual human beings that imposed an inconvenient duty of care on them and their bodies (ie a man whose wife is claiming alimony should have the right to have her killed).

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That's pretty interesting, do you have any source to read about it that explicitly calls a fetus or an embryo a whole living individual? I guess it's a language difference, because in Russia we usually can't say that an egg is a whole living individual. It's an egg, a stage of development.

I think it’s a nuance of language. What I described is basic biology that we learn here in the 7th grade (or so). But people do commonly use the term egg (incorrectly) to refer to something that is not technically an egg (an ovum - the female gamete) simply because they look similar externally. I don’t know Russian, but I would bet that you also have the same actual definition and mistakenly use the term egg (in Russian) to refer to something that is no longer an actual female gamete (ovum/egg) simply because it looks the same externally. Actual eggs cannot develop as they don’t have the full genetic material required to do so.

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So you value an unborn human being over already feeling and thinking people.

No, I value them equally as living individual human beings because the distinctions between them are arbitrary and fundamentally unimportant. To draw arbitrary distinctions between which live individual human beings have a right not to be killed at the whim of another and which don’t is fundamentally morally and ethically unsound, and not really an area for compromise.

The view that one can draw such arbitrary lines is not logically consistent with a just society, unless you argue that every live individual human being has the right to have any other live individual human being who potentially presents an inconvenient burden of care on him or her (ie a man whose wife revives alimony from him also has the right to have her killed because she relies on his body against his will).

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Have you never seen a pregnant woman?

I have more than 4 (but fewer than 10) children who were all born at home, naturally, the majority of whom I caught. My wife is an assistant midwife, doula, and childbirth educator. I am quite familiar with pregnancy and childbirth.

You retain full use of your faculties after taxation.

...as with gestation.

All that changes is your access to material goods that are wholly distinct from your body

Material goods, and your need to produce more of them to replace the ones that were taken from you against your will via coercion are not at all distinct from your physical body and your control over how it can be used.

A fetus is not individual,

By every commonly accepted scientific definition of the words living individual human being, a fetus is exactly that.

it cannot exist separately from its mother

And neither can you exist separately from reliance on the bodies of other individual human beings. We are social animals, very few (if any) human beings can. If I were to prevent you from being able to rely on the bodies of any other human being, you would almost surely die from starvation, deprivation, and exposure in very short order - and you’re an adult. Imagine if I did so when you were a 6 month old infant. You probably don’t want to draw the line on conferring a right to not be killed on your ability to survive independently of reliance on the bodies of others as you wouldn’t pass that litmus test.

we accept humans being killed for socially useful reasons all the time, in self-defense, law-enforcement and wartime.

...all of which are rooted in the primary act of protecting oneself from the aggression of others. Unborn children are not aggressing against others.

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Abortion is allowed because the fetus cannot survive outside its mother until late during pregnancy. If we could transfer the fetus somewhere else and have it survive, we would.

Premies survive all the time outside the womb.

While the average full-term baby weighs about 7 pounds (3.17 kg) at birth, a premature newborn might weigh 5 pounds (2.26 kg) or even considerably less. But thanks to medical advances, children born after twenty-eight weeks of pregnancy, and weighing more than 2 pounds 3 ounces (1 kg), have almost a full chance of survival; eight out of ten of those born after the thirtieth week have minimal long-term health or developmental problems, while those preterm babies born before twenty-eight weeks have more complications, and require intensive treatment and support in a neonatal intensive care unit (NICU).

- https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/preemie/Pages/Caring-For-A-Premature-Baby.aspx

Premies born after 28 weeks have a better chance of survival than gramps contracting COVID. Heck 13th week is barely even considered 'mid term' let alone late.

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I'm not sure "blame" is a good framework for this. Partners should be receptive to each other and each others needs and wants. I like Dan Savage's "Good, Giving, Game" ideal. But ideals are goals not reality.

Woman didn't cum? My fault.

Well did you try to figure out what she needs and were you willing to get her there? Sometimes things don't work. Maybe she doesn't even know yet. That's nobody's fault. Things will improve and get better.

In a different situation guys seem to claim to "know what she wants" or don't even try to find out. But I don't know why those guys would even care if she came or not or feel any guilt about it.

I didn't cum? My fault.

See that's the mirror image of above. If you tell her what you need and she refuses that's one thing. If you're expecting her to read your mind, that's not going to be reliable. Or maybe it's just not working today.

She doesn't wanna fuck? My fault.

Well I have a different view on this anyway. It's more the big picture that matters. If "she doesn't wanna fuck" at any immediate moment that's just whatever. I don't think guys should expect to not be shot down. To me that's the nature of our sexually--guys seek sex, women want to be sought, but sometimes it's not the right time. It's best to just shrug it off and not make a huge thing about it. If she's in the mood regularly then BFD.

Now if we're talking "she doesn't wanna fuck" on some large scale like weeks or months with neither explanation nor concern... that's a more serious problem. But I don't think you can assign blame one way or another because it's probably all sorts of complex details and it could have medical origins etc.

I don't wanna fuck? My fault.

Again this all depends on frequency and "why?" See previous.

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Women can be fat, ugly, saggy, smell bad, be unhygienic, have a loose vagina, have long labia, have discolored labia, not be good at riding dick, suck dick with teeth, break a dick in reverse cowgirl, be boring, be too fake, be too easy, be a prude...

...but still, men can expect their sex lives to be fun and pleasurable, even if the girl is bad at sex. That's why no one wants to blame women. Does a vagina often feel like it's filled with razors? Because a dick inside you can feel like a knife and make you bleed. Girls can have sex when they're not turned on, feel zero pleasure, feel intense pain, be degraded and violated. You don't understand how vulnerable you feel when someone is inside your body (and can put a part of themselves in you for 9 months). Having a vagina makes your sexuality much more complicated and dangerous

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Salt daddy chronicles update:

I salted this girl yesterday, the usual "pay you at the end of the month" scheme. She met me straight at the room in the hotel. Before leaving from her home she asked me to send her a video of myself and the room. I thought it may have been over at that point, but she ended up coming in. The hotel was actually kind of trash lol, but passable enough, it wasnt in the ghetto or anything, but certainly less quality then a man of my alleged means should have taste for. I told her the reason for it is that I didnt know her area and didnt look into it before booking.

Anyways, she came in the room and I went for a hug as soon as she took her coat off and placed down her bag. From that into a kiss and we were having sex not too much later. She was actually kind of a freak, she was really enthused the entire time, suggesting a bunch of positions and told me she liked to be spit on 🤣. Moaning and yelping so loud im sure those in the room next to me must have heard.

She thinks im a multimillionaire hotshot lawyer. Laying next to me in bed she asked me about it, and I told her something equating to "I specialize in tort law, I also have investments in rental real estate properties and stocks, but... and I know it may sound kind of weird... I do this kind of thing because I want an avenue to escape from the stress in my day to day , so I dont like to get too much into my personal life, when im with you, I just want to live in the moment and decompress with a pretty girl". She bought it hook line and sinker. She was eating out of the palm of my hand by the end of the night.

I felt pretty compatible with her actually, she was really fun. She emanated the "sex positive feminist" vibe. I wish we could have met under different circumstances, but alas, I will be blocking her soon. These girls need to be more smart and careful. This one attends a university which is ranked in the top 20 in the nation.

Currently sitting in the parking lot of a different hotel as I type this, meeting up with another girl in about an hourish.

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The person who actually committed the theft of services has the largest share of the blame

Contractually, sure. Morally, though, any woman with a lick of sense would be sure to protect themselves by learning the rules of the road.

But this is why I’m so annoyed by the marketing of “sugar babies” as anything other than prostitutes - it lets shit like this happen.

I totally feel this. It's not just marketing, there some mythology going on. I've read the forums, SB's & SD's catch the feelz all the time, but that's probably not the primary mode.

You have a better read on me than anyone else here. You know full well I could put up a profile that's in your face vanilla and find bored college girls to hang out with. I hope you see how wildly tempting that is.

Two roadblocks: I'm probably higher "disgust" than I allow myself to think, and I don't want to contribute to an exploitative system, regardless of how virtuously I go about my business.

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I'm not judging.

FWIW I'm been sorely tempted to try SA for months now.

I was protecting myself from 'Rona because Dad was being an idiot and I knew I couldn't get sick, that I might need to take care of things. As expected, he got sick, but bounced back quickly. His wife is out of the woods, so far, but knocked on her ass.

Now I want to put up a vanilla seeking profile. Just looking for cuties to drink Coronas and play Pandemic with. I know the quality would be lower and difficulty higher, but I just can't do what you're doing.

The only reason Dad beat my ass when I was a kid was for lying. I'm simply incapable of doing it.

In fact, I've asked myself why I'm so insistent on getting him to admit the full ramifications of supporting Trump, and it actually turns on this. Dad beat my ability to lie out of me, then turns around and supports someone who lies as easily as he breathes?

This can not stand.

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Life? Genetics?

He was always a heavy social drinker, but so was our entire circle (and many people in his career field). I certainly was, as well. But these things are gradual - I didn’t notice how much more he was drinking, and (in hindsight) I think he started sneaking drinks. Initially, I stopped getting drunk while we were out, so I could drive us home safely. Then it turned into babysitting him so he wouldn’t shoot his mouth off and get in a fight. In the end, I was driving him home and putting him to bed dead drunk by 9pm every night, then turning around and going back out so I could actually relax and have fun without having to deal with him

There was no trigger or anything, he just either never saw or completely ignored the tangible warning signs that his drinking was getting out of control. Including, it would seem, him refusing to give up drinking and losing his wife as a result of that choice

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Well I'm also 5"0, so it wouldn't bother me going with someone shorter but I've never met an adult man that was shorter than me! I've been with about 3-4 guys in the 5"0-5"3ish range but honestly don't think they're that common, I can only think of 1-2 other guys I know that are in that height range.

Yeah I'd agree that it's probably mostly shorter women although not exclusively (my dad is 5"3 and my mum is only a half inch taller than him, but he's never really been single since her and he's had some really tall gfs. And his wife was short but still taller than him).

I had a few hookups on tinder with a guy as well who was maybe 5"0-5"2ish (I find it so hard to judge other people's height haha but I could look him in the eye without looking up so assuming about my height) and he was cleaning up on tinder - we had a couple of threesomes and the other girls were gorgeous. And one was tall - not sure how tall exactly but I remember only coming up to her boobs 🤣

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Ok Cult 45, how are you going to spin this one

Are you talking about the phone call? It represents the God-Emperor graciously offering the participants one more chance to come clean. It's in the vein of asking a child, "Timmy, are you sure you didn't take the last cookie?" when you know darn well that he did.

Let me guess... "He wasn't saying manufacture votes, he was saying find the votes!"

Yes, this is in fact correct. If one listens to the call (which I did) bearing in mind that Team Trump KNOWS about the massive extent of the fraud, it becomes clear that Trump is effectively saying, "Find us the votes we know are there and we may graciously extend mercy rather than the alternative when our info is unveiled."

we did a through investigation and found nothing

Bruh. Do you what a Deep State Conspiracy is? (It's not a band name, though maybe should be.)

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What if he gets drunk, is having a good time, not causing any problems and some drunk assholes beat the shit out of him because he looked at them "wrong"

Yes. I expect him to always be responsible for the situations in which he places himself.

That’s a basic of being responsible adult. Bad shit happens; all the more reason to evaluate risk and act accordingly, which means accepting your responsibility for the results of the risk you take.

For example, the ski season before last I broke my leg really badly bombing down a given run in really crappy conditions and in an area which was supposed to be groomed but had giant wind lips that you couldn’t see because of the wind.

Though the mountain that I was on has shite grooming and I was miffed at the conditions of this particular run (should have been far better groomed and/or or hazard marked), I took full responsibility for my own situation. I elected the risky activity, I should have been more careful, I wasn’t, and I paid the price - bottom line.

Edit: Note that within 15 minutes of me breaking my leg at that spot skiing, another skier broke her leg in the same spot, a third skier dislocated his shoulder, and the area was subsequently hazard marked. Yeah, my injury still my fault for not being cautious enough, and now I am more cautious.

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Not who you responded to.

Stopped at an intersection and you get rear ended. Fully your responsibility since you chose to be out on the road at that time?

Yes, I would want to know if there is anything I can do to avoid it in the future in case it was my fault. Also my actions are all I can change.

Is there anything that can happen to you that isn't fully your responsibility in your reality and how far are you willing to push that mindset?

Into everything, all I can change in my life are my own actions, so that is what I focus on. Saying so and so should of done this, shouldn't of done this, is mean and nasty. Well it changes nothing. I have no control over them.

You paying to fix the damage to your own car out of your own pocket since it's your responsibility not the guy who hit you?

No I have an insurance company, so I pass it over to them. Then I forget about it and focus on things that I do have control over. Its in the past now, so who gives a fuck, shit happens. Lessons learned, lets get on with life.

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I mean, sure the porn stars are a bit unusual, but other conservative politicians were caught soliciting homosexual sex in a public bathroom stall and were shunned by the conservatives, where Donny was embraced. Evangelical church leaders heavily supported him the whole time— they claim he’s the great defender of the faith. I don’t understand it personally, but the “family values” conservatives love him, or at least did before this fiasco.

Likewise, Newt also had 3 wives and cheated, and yet was acceptable as a major party leader for years— conservative values? And pressuring your mistress to get an abortion isn’t supposed to be conservative either... but DesJarlais is still considered part of the Republican Party and is supported by evangelical endorsements.

And besides, Trump isn’t really normal to anybody. And sure, porn stars and adultery weren’t considered acceptable by conservatives or evangelicals... until Trump came along and the entire Conservative bloc accepted it without much more complaint. They didn’t defend Melania’s honor or anything: heck, conservatives across the country called her her extremely classy, in spite of her having posed nude for magazines... that’s not supposed to be conservative approved either, but I watched them claim she was much classier than the prior First Lady.

A few of the conservatives kinda tut-tutted a little about the stormy Daniels thing, or the grab-em-by-the-pussy thing, but they mostly stayed mum and didn’t do anything about it, and definitely didn’t boot Trump out or claim he wasn’t “one of them” or not really a conservative. They mostly chose to ride his coattails and pander to him instead. Very few conservatives rejected him.

I mean I’ll agree he’s not a classical conservative, meaning someone who wants to keep the status quo and not change too fast, because he clearly wants radical changes. But loads of conservatives have broken the conservative principles for themselves by cheating, having extra-marital affairs etc for their own benefit. Hell, the Catholic Church is one of the most truly conservative institutions around, and preaches that sex with boys is wrong... doesn’t stop them from protecting child molesters.

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Trump isn't alt right at all. He is just a crony businessman who has a tougher stance on domestic and foreign policies which makes people angry. He's almost the sequel to Reagan. But I think barely any presidents in the past were personally role models of the principles their parties represented.

At first the alt right term was supposed to describe the extremist type of people who did the tiki torch rallies or other shit (to which Trump has absolutely zero connection) , but later on it was conflated to anyone who supported Trump. Remember the kid in MAGA hat who was just standing and smiling and yet the media and people online tried to demonize him as an essentially representative of alt right?

USA has this fucked up two-party system where everything is either black or white, red or blue, leftist or right wing, republican or democrat, etc.

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So if a guy looksmaxes and does a Chad transformation will he never actually have to try in any other department?

Because my takeaway from the common sentiment here is this: because I am 6'0" and not super hideous, then all I need to do is save up for cosmetic surgery and bulk up at the gym and then all I need to do is walk in a room and get any girl I want? Because looks matter so much for men nowadays that I shouldn't even bother trying to make my personality all mainstream alpha or try getting rich because I'll be hot?

And I know there's tons of rationales like maybe the surgery won't work but modern plastic has come a long way and if you're average that just means you have a few bad features that need to be fixed for much less than the price of a car and apparently that will make your romantic life instantly upgraded for most of the remainder of your life.

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I'm over American dating. It's been about a year and a half (on and off) and I've had enough. There's too much uncertainty to warrant any kind of investment made in these partnerships. I thought love was worth trying for, but it's not.

I'm way too far behind too since I started dating at 25. Even when I like a guy and he likes me, doesn't mean either of us won't change our minds down the line and then we've just wasted all those years. Doesn't seem like most people are into the "grow old together"/soulmate/"ride or die" stuff anymore. I'm also not down to sleep with a guy early on because it's too much of an emotional and physical risk for me. That makes my dating pool considerably smaller.

I'm gonna pretend I'm religious and use cultural means to get me a husband. By this time next year, I'll be engaged. I'm actually considered a catch in my community so might as well go where I'm wanted.

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Here's the issue: in the community I grew up in low N count or even virgin upon marriage is encouraged and accepted. It's certainly stricter for women (have to be a virgin), but even men get pressured not to have premarital sex.

In secular American communities, there isn't really much pressure to wait. Both desirable men and women start having sex in their teens. By the time they're my age (26), most of them have amassed a number of partners, which is why I have trouble finding someone who considers sex a special act.

The only ones who don't have a lot of partners are likely religious also, have some severe social/emotional issues, or are unattractive, which makes them undateable.

If I could find someone in the middle like me, that would be perfect. Someone who's not religious anymore, fairly attractive, and has a good head on their shoulders, but also respects the sex act. There are guys in my community like this, I'm sure, just have to find them.

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I don't follow the logic of that. My thoughts:

If the guy is not homophobic, this shouldn't be insulting to him. If he doesn't think of being gay as an insult in and of itself, my language was not shaming.

1a. If he actually is gay or bisexual, maybe this makes him think a bit more about that and introspect about himself.

1b. If he is fully straight but insecure because he wants to be Chad, maybe this makes him think a bit more about that and introspect about himself.

1c. If he is fully straight and not insecure but just has issues understanding women, maybe this is jarring enough to make him see it from a different perspective.
If the guy is a homophobe in addition to being a misogynist, he is likely to take this as an insult. That's his problem, and IMO people who are two kinds of bigots deserve to have their feelings hurt. This isn't going to make him more homophobic than he already is.

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Ultimately, I think most people have a type, but it’s more flexible than we care to admit

Anecdote time! Using myself as an example - I fit a very particular physical type. If I’m your type, then you think I’m a 10/10. If not, I drop a few levels. But every one the guys I’ve dated/been married to for the past 15 or so years? Their type was the exact opposite of me. I don’t know why - or even how - these guys found me so damn attractive, but they did

For me, the guy I’m dating now is outside of my physical and “style” type. I can put on my RP glasses and yammer on about his status overriding everything else, but ultimately, I’m just wildly, wildly attracted to him. It’s a mystery because he’s so far removed from what I normally go for

I think that everyone has that ability, to a certain extent. I do think it’s easier for women, though, because we aren’t as singularly visual as men - so things like status and chemistry will sway us more

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Point taken, with the exception of including the entirely empty suits of Warren and AOC in the same category as Bernie, however:

Biden is suffering from dementia and thus particularly easily controllable, and his Veep is perhaps the most spinelessly power hungry candidate for political office since HRC but unlike HRC actually lacks any power, and is thus also particularly easily controllable - both following the least controllable Chief Executive of the modern Presidency.

Neither of them will be pulling any strings and it remains to be seen who is pulling theirs. I don’t know because this was the second presidential election in the last 25 years or so in which I was not at least tangentially involved in the behind the scenes fundraising (the 2016 election being the first).

The Democratic Party seems fractured, it’s very unclear who has political control of it, and it might very well be the seemingly well organized and camouflaged radical wing.

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I suppose if we're someday willing to work in sweatshops and live under Third World conditions! I guess in that case, we'll have won the race to the bottom, lol.

The big difference is that we used to insource our labor. The factories were here and we allowed desperate immigrants from around the globe to come and work in them. Incidentally, this created a great deal of secondary economic activity, selling those workers shoes and haircuts and life insurance policies. Etc.

With the advent of unions, labor was no longer cheap and capital set off chasing cheap labor around the globe instead. (Environmental regulations also played a role, I'm sure.) Manufacturing things elsewhere, cheap and dirty, worked for awhile because there was still plenty of money sloshing around in the U.S. economy, but every year we sent more of it overseas in the form of trade deficits and it isn't coming back.

In 10-20 years, we'll have a bunch of people (myself included, lol) retiring with no pensions and reduced Social Security checks (because the trust fund will have been depleted). Most of those people will have little in savings as well. The picture isn't looking pretty ...

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I wish to say something else on the topic of today's protest/riot, which does fall at least tangentially under the greater heading of sociosexuality, which is, leaving the politics of it aside (perhaps hard to do), how can you as a man not appreciate the Supreme Awesomeness that something cool actually happened?

I would like to say, that I do not typically enjoy the common internet variety of insult-as-discussion, so you will rarely see me, for example, insult someone as "low T" or whatever.

BUT -

Like I said, leaving the politics out of it, how can you claim to be a man, with presumably an adequate supply of physiologic testosterone and so forth, and see what happened today and not be EXCITED about it? Especially if you, like me, work predominately indoors in a white-collar-type setting. Doesn't stuff like today get your blood running? Don't you just have a burning desire to be part of something chaotic and energy-fueled? Isn't there a part of you that just wants to DESTROY, Viking-style?

And if not, wtf is wrong with you???

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Charges for trespass, vandalism, and burglary seem like they could be fairly easily proven. It would take a bit more work but I'd like to see these idiots charged with sedition.

Perhaps the best charge would be a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1361:

Section 1361 protects "any property" of the United States or an agency or department thereof, or any property being manufactured or constructed for the United States or an agency or department thereof, from willful depredation or attempted depredation. "Depredation" has been characterized as the act of plundering, robbing, pillaging or laying waste. United States v. Jenkins, 554 F.2d 783, 786 (6th Cir. 1977); cf. Deal v. United States, 274 U.S. 277, 283 (1927) ("depredation" defined in context of postal statute). This section prohibits actual physical damage or destruction of both real and personal property, but mere adverse possession of that property without physical harm is insufficient to violate the law. United States v. Jenkins, supra, 554 F.2d at 785. Section 1361 is a specific intent crime, see United States v. Jones, 607 F.2d 269, 273-74 (9th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 444 U.S. 1085 (1980), and the government must prove that the defendant acted willfully; that is intentionally, with knowledge that he/she is violating a law. United States v. Simpson, 460 F.2d 515, 518 (9th Cir. 1972); United States v. Moylan, 417 F.2d 1002, 1004 (4th Cir. 1969), cert. denied, 397 U.S. 910 (1970). The government is not required to prove that defendant knew the property belonged to the government, because government ownership is "merely a 'jurisdictional fact'." United States v. LaPorta, 46 F.3d 152, 158 (2d Cir. 1994), quoting United States v. Feola, 420 U.S. 671 (1975). In fact, title or possession by the United States is not a necessary element of this offense, if the property in question was being made for the United States. The government must present evidence establishing value of damage. United States v. Seaman, 18 F.3d 649, 651 (9th Cir. 1994). The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both. See Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Pub. L. 103-322, § 330016, 108 Stat. 1796, 2146-47 (1994). When property damage does not exceed $100, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, one year imprisonment, or both. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559(a), 3571.

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Disagree - I don’t know if you noticed, but there was a mystery camera crew on a lift during his last rally. It wasn’t media, and they hadn’t been present at previous rallies

It honestly looked like they were filming B-roll (not the entire rally), so my guess is that he’s already inked a deal for the next phase of his career - I’m guessing with OANN or Newsmax, but it’s also possible that he’s going to announce a Trump TV network. Or he’s partnering with Mark Burnett again for some reality special/show on steroids

Honestly, I’m kinda hoping for the reality show/special (even though it’s definitely the least likely). It has the potential to go full Tiger King - filming about one subject, when the criminal justice system catches up to him/his family and winds up being about that

Anyhow, whatever he has up his sleeve is going to be heavily dependent upon the riff raff to keep ratings up. So he’s going to pardon them

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Most of my family has it right now and they have very similar symptoms. My cousin described her sense of smell and taste as how she feels when she takes off her glasses (she's legally blind without her glasses) -- like, she knows a taste or smell is there but she can only get a vague impression of it.

Yes, that's exactly how it is. It's like I can only smell around the outside of things, but not smell the thing directly. It's pretty weird to say the least.

If you can get your hands on some Zinc and vitamin C, take that.

Oh I've got plenty and I've been taking them, though I don't think it affects the nose at all so the loss of sense of smell and taste are probably inevitable. I had some pains the other day in my abdomen (not sure if related or something entirely different) but those went away, as did the other symptoms that I briefly felt. All that's left is the nose issues.

Get up and walk around every once in a while even if you're feeling exhausted (this will keep you from developing pneumonia). Monitor your oxygen if you can. And don't hesitate to get to a doctor if you start feeling worse. You'll likely be fine

I feel pretty normal during the day. It's at night when any symptoms present usually start showing up more. I'm very health conscious already so I've got lots of green powders and chlorophyll for oxygenation in addition to vasodilators. Probably the reason why this feels more like an inconvenience than a deadly disease.

Take care of yourself!

Thanks. I appreciate.

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Anyone with the Rona have similar experience?

Not exactly like yours but I did had extremely bad back pain, body pain, headache, and diarrhea 2 months ago all within the same 2 weeks. I did not get tested though and the symptoms went away after another 10 days. I suspect I got infected.

But yours is a pretty open and shut case of classic symptoms. I am guessing we both got lucky and got a lesser viral load. Go ahead and get tested though.

If you are below 40, and if you don't have any serious symptoms such as fever or breathing problems, then start to take multivitamin tablets for the next 35 days. If vitamin C is not in those tablets, get those separately. Drinking ginger tea everyday helps too.

If you are over 40, then it doesn't hurt to get yourself saline IV drips for 3 days atleast. Definitely consult a doctor. And then eat lots of leafy greens, vegetables, fruits, atleast 1 egg everyday, meats, etc for 3 weeks straight unless otherwise stated by your doctor.

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One of my all time pet peeves is when you have a solid on demand Bootycall and then she gives you the “um were gonna have to stop because I have a boyfriend now” speech. Now you have to go out and find another chick to smash, which isn’t hard per say but it sucks when you had sex on tap for months without having to do anything. One of the greatest feelings was going to clubs or bars with my boys looking for girls knowing that if I strike out I’m getting my balls licked tonight no matter what.

I had one though years ago who was dating a dude(she was fucking me while he was “courting” her) until she finally had to be like yeah “we have to stop, he’s a nice decent guy and I can see a future with him”. Only for her to come back 2 weeks after that conversation because it turns out dude was TRASH at sex lol.

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You are too distracted on Trump, whether it was Trump or not, the powers at be have been inching for the moment to further crackdown on civil rights and expand the surveillance state under the guise protecting democracy. They did something after 9/11, and have been waiting to up the movement to further consolidate power. Nothing good will come from it. Actual leftist who analyzed the events with clear emotional detachment have come to the same conclusions.

Frankly as a foreigner all modern US presidents are lowlife thugs, from Bush who’s action lead to the death of 2.6 million Iraqis, to Obama who’s toppling of the president of Libya which lead to the creation of slavery markets, and dropped more bombs on the Middle East then any recent president, they are all scum. I am not going sperg out over one just because he doesn’t hide the true ugliness of American imperialism and neoliberalism project by dressing it up with polite platitudes and manners. They are all the same at the end of the day.

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Oh your liberal got it, so you probably excuse the imperialism and coups your country does abroad in the name of democracy and thinks the millions of Iraqis killed by the Bushes through economic sanctions, bombing campaigns and direct military action along with the thousands of Nicaraguans who were raped, murdered and bombed by cia funded contras in the 80s by the Reagan administration or the American citizens drone striked by the Obama administration without due process are just a blink on the radar. Hint when the whole system is rotten it doesn’t matter if the guy you are getting is Archie Bunker or Jesus Christ if it just results in the same rotten actions being taken.

Hopefully you know understand what people in the global south have been going through for decades as your country has funded terrorist groups, color revolutions and the overthrowing democratically elected leaders. Just don’t expect much sympathy from the rest of the world when you start crying wolf, already your leaders are blaming muh Russia and Putin for the entire thing.

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Look man, I felt the same way during Russiagate hysteria for 3 of the last 4 years, and have defended the Trump administration against the ridiculous attacks from the media. Because the facts supported the case that Russiagate was brainlet nonsense. Just like how the facts to date have provided quite literally zero specific proof of widespread voter fraud that stole the election from Trump.

And I don't remember mobs storming the capitol building when the Democrats pathetic impeachment attempt failed. The legal process was undergone and the result respected. Trump was allowed to finish out his term.

You can say it's all about "being told what to do", but that's just false. The law doesn't factor in one side's saltiness over an unfavorable result as a deciding factor. Because then democracy could never function.

There has to be some agreement on objective reality for the government to be meaningful at all.

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Lol have you served? You take a literal oath before the flag to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. You know, the flag they tore down to replace with Trump flags. In what way does mobbing the capitol specifically to interrupt a Constitutionally mandated process support that oath?

Have you heard any of the Joint Chiefs voice support or act in support of Trump's vanity project? The majority of military officers and personnel voting republican does not mean they are going to support some weaksauce coup that directly threatens their way of life. And Trump now stands alone in the party. Even Pence has drawn the line at actually taking unconstitutional action just to appease his deluded boss.

Pence and all the other republican flunkies that have spoken in favor of Trump are smart enough to know that all their talk is mere bullshit lipservice to stoke voters and fundraise.

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God, why do so many Canadians here care more about our politics than their own? I don't go to Canadian forums and post about bill C-16 or about how your health system is communism. I have no idea what it is like to live in your country.

Try and think real hard that, as a foreign non-citizen of the US, your grasp of our Constitution, its history, and its relationship to the military is tenuous at best.

Also, whatever the average Trump supporter thinks about the Constitution or the election is irrelevant. They have had their day in court, many times over, and have failed repeatedly to provide any actual hard evidence that the election was "stolen." There is no viable legal path for Trump to remain as president.

It's so ironic that you as a foreigner actively support a revolution in our country and think it makes you more patriotic than the majority of our own citizens lol.

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Most economic hardships and coups in recent years were orchestrated by the US and it’s allies in the West. The funding and training of contras in Nicaragua by the CIA in the 1980s who raped, murdered and bombed civilians is most recently egregious example of this. This lead to unknown breakdown in civil rest and economic instability in the region that still felt today. Just imagine if China and Russia were funding and training right wing militias in the US to terrorize fellow citizens, you probably wouldn’t feel very happy about it.

Yes I am aware most Americans are not responsible for the foreign policy of their country, but I have meet too many so called educated liberals who excuse imperialism their country does abroad in the name of ‘protecting democracy’ yet throw a temper tantrum when their country just gets an iota of the same treatment. I am really suppose to take the same cia talking heads that orchestrated coups and overthrew democratically elected leaders seriously when they are whining about Russian Facebook memes being a declaration of war?

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It's interesting to contemplate how history would be different if certain US entities hadn't undertaken their interference in South America. Would those countries resemble contemporary Russia or China, relatively unaffected by American social engineering yet still incredibly authoritarian and undemocratic? Maybe.

But, as I mentioned, these issues go deeper and farther back in history than American influence can be credited as a determining factor. The fate of South America was sealed in the 15th and 16th Centuries by European colonialism, their potential for native self-determination all but eradicated, similar to how the fate of the natives of North America have panned out, or the fate of native African populations. Read Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel; in a very credible way, the fate of nations was determined before the agricultural revolution even took place, due to accidents of geography, climate, and disease.

Colonialism of some form was all but inevitable. The economic potential was laid in stone before the existence of written language; it was just a matter of which cultures would emerge on top. This doesn't excuse the actions of individual nefarious entities of any nation or culture, but it's a shallow interpretation of history to blame America alone for the disproportionate outcomes we see today. Like I said, these operations were almost always conducted in conjunction with local anti-democratic entities whose interests happened to align with the foreign policy goals of a specific, small group of actors in the US government, who specifically broke from the ideals of the nation's founding to pursue their goals.

It's not specifically a problem of the American people, but of universal human greed and evil, and the competition for scarce resources and power.

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It's not specifically a problem of the American people, but of universal human greed and evil, and the competition for scarce resources and power.

Yes the American empire which I draw distinction from the American people and country, is evil and needs to fall. The good news is, most empires eventually fall just when is the question. Many countries in the Middle East and Latin America had strong working class socialist revolutions and governments before they were put down by the CIA. I wonder if Iran would be in the mess it is today if British and American leaders weren’t so greedy for their oil and objected to the shah wanting to share the wealth with his people. Under a neoliberal system first world countries require the economic servitude of the developing world, any country that tries to break the orthodoxy is sanctioned, or held hostage by the global banks. The sooner this system and liberal hegemony falls the better.

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I see where you're coming from, but contemplate whether or not it's possible that humanity can ever exist without a small ruling minority tyrannizing over a mass miajority. I think we can, in theory at least, but the unsolved problem is how we can scale it to a global population.

Also consider how, in spite of how oppressive the current global order can be, the greatest headway made against global poverty have been made under the neoliberal capitalist order of the last 50 years; how, while the inequality remains high as ever, the rising tide has benefitted all boats, and how, despite its sins, we wouldn't even be able to talk now if not for side-effects of its achievements.

I always get apprehensive over moral interpretations of history. None of us can say how we would act in similar positions to the significant though frequently terrible figures in our history. Humanity is an endless experiment, and the causality for terrible consequences are rarely as linear as bad guy or bad country did something specifically to oppress a given victim population. Like I mentioned, the roots of everything go so far back and are so interconnected and riddled with unintentional consequences that black and white moral interpretations rarely hold water.

If a Spanish colonized South American country had attained independence and eventual global hegemony due to accidents of history, do you really think the fate and condition of the majority of people around the world would be any better than they currently are under Western/American hegemony? Do you think it's possible that they might actually be much worse?

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Also consider how, in spite of how oppressive the current global order can be, the greatest headway made against global poverty have been made under the neoliberal capitalist order of the last 50 years;

That’s a lie

how, while the inequality remains high as ever, the rising tide has benefitted all boats, and how, despite its sins, we wouldn't even be able to talk now if not for side-effects of its achievements.

That’s another lie, increase in productivity and gdp has only benefited the top 1%.

If a Spanish colonized South American country had attained independence and eventual global hegemony due to accidents of history, do you really think the fate and condition of the majority of people around the world would be any better than they currently are under Western/American hegemony? Do you think it's possible that they might actually be much worse?

This question is irrelevant to me because I don’t support imperialism no matter who is doing it and certainly I am not going to excuse it because potential other imperial powers could act ‘worse.’

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So, Day 2 or 3 of COVID symptoms. Smell is vaguely coming back but I'm noticing other things like that feeling when you're starting to become sick and you feel more conscious of the area under the skin around your head, face and neck. No fever though, which is weird because a fever usually follows. Got plenty of vitamins and stuff like high-grade manuka honey and raw bee pollen to fight diseases and viruses like this with. I'm using a paper towel sprayed with Lysol to touch everything.

I read last night that people who don't lose their sense of smell end up having the more serious version of the disease that usually ends up with them being hospitalized and on a ventilator. I'll probably end up kicking its ass before it ever gets to that point though. I may have caught COVID but it will catch these hands.

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He lied to millions of people for months and made them believe their country was at stake from a stolen democracy.

As an attempt to stay in power.

Edit: What do you think people are going to do when you spend years talking about the radical left and how they're a threat to the constitution, then fabricate a stop the steal story and say the deepstate is coming for everyone, that because Biden, a hardly even left of center politician won yall suddenly turn into China lol. By the end Trump was a full QNut and I'm sure no one in office has listened to him since Wednesday, he was forced into a concession video in a 'shut up or we'll 25 you' after Congress's lives were personally put at risk from his mob. The mob were outside the House Chambers, with members in fetal positions under chairs - this is where the Lady who jumped the 'last barricade' was shot. This lady was a QAnon who believed this was 'The Storm'.

He told people not to be weak and that they needed to fight for their country and stopped short of saying explicitly. He used PLAUSIBLE DENIABLITIY which any RPer should understand to keep people under his thumb. They don't just tell people directly to be violent - they never have in history, they just set the pieces up for it to happen.

Stop the Steal + Fight for your country = riot

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It's not 'direct evidence' it's about understanding social context. Judges were not born yesterday for example, they don't need someone to litterally say something for it to be incitement. Trump saying 'They stole the election! ' after exhausting legal proceedings, 61 cases spanning 80 judges, the FBI disagreement, etc IS the evidence. Trump failing to call the national guard while the mob are outside the Congress floor is the evidence. Trump then lying about calling them immediatly is the evidence. His own government refusing to speak to him is the evidence. Calling Governers up ranting about imaginary fraud is the evidence. Tweeting about how it's those Govenors fault, or Pence fault etc that they won't just declare him winner because massive fraud is the evidence.

Trump has torn the Republican party in two and lost his supporters off his own back. Its not just left wingers here, this incident turned much of the right against him too.

'LOL that won't happen! TDS!' stopped working Wednesday. It did happen, and the world watched it live. They heard reports of bombs being disarmed and watched MAGA hitting cops using flags as weapons. They saw the removal of the American flag and a Trump flag put up instead.

You speak of Hitler, but there was no 'direct evidence' there either so I don't know what your point is. The population didnt recognise Hitler for who he was, because of his use of plausible denyability. While theres always a subset of the population OK with genocide most never will be and needs to be wrapped in a palitable way. Maybe it would be a good idea to watch some documentries on the rise of Hitler. He did it inch by inch and moved carefully escalating when normalcy bias allowed it, he didn't just stand there and go 'OK, we gonna kill all the Jews'.

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The animosity mostly comes from some healthy sibling rivalry, but it's main opposition is in the tradition of thought; continental philosophy traditionally studies the philosophy of Germany, France, Continental Europe in general. Analytic has come to be the main school of philosophy in the Anglosphere, etc.

You'll probably find the biggest rifts between them in epistemological approaches, methodology and use of terminology.

For paint an affectionate caricature—

Analytic philosophy:

STEM-lords and Debate Bros™ unite!
Did someone say Karl Popper?
Will throw latin phrases and play argument fallacy referee at you if you piss them off
Likelier to find a job. Also: fax & logic

Continental philosophy:

Postmodern neo-marxists
Probably think they know French and/or German better than they actually do.
They like long walks on the beach, but hopefully on a leash and dressed in a puppy leather helmet
They jerk off to Hegel and definitely own a turtleneck.

Both overlap a lot though, and while some draw political distinctions I think it's rather meaningless, especially as a leftie who knows there is a fair of of left-wing cuntie and analyticucks fighting about leftist theory at any given moment lmao

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I'll respond, but not with a pic.

You most definitely lift.

Getting to a decent v-taper kind of killed my motivation to lift, but summer is coming as are vaccines. I've mostly held on to gainz but haven't extended them, which is kind of inexcusable considering the circumstances.

I also think I need to move my barbell out of my bedroom, there's not much room out here but I just haven't been able to lift in my bedroom.

Actually, this give me a great idea, so thanks: I could move my plates out here, put my dresser in a different place, and store my half rack & barbell where my dresser now is, and then take it out to the living room on lifting days.

I used to think DYEL was the dumbest bro-shit imaginable. I now hear it as "do you do the bare minimum?"

Most dudes my age are not only not fit, plenty haven't seen their dicks since the Clinton administration.

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The context tho was that her previous post embodied the exact boogeyman she was mocking in her post today.

Also, there's this ambiguity and subtle gaslighting in whether or not looks are "primary" as you put it. I think it would be more accurate to say that, for women, looks are sometimes but not necessarily the majority factor in attraction. But they are absolutely the plurality. So it's technically possible a guy to make up for an ugly face or being short, but way harder than women like to pretend.

It's just disingenuous to promote the idea that improving your looks isn't the single most important thing either sex can do to increase dating success, and this is the natural conclusion of her first post. Which, if we're being honest, is more about women flattering their own egos and supposedly more evolved sexual taste relative to men, than it is about saying anything accurate about how they choose their partners.

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I think you're kind of fusing the impressions of more toxic posts with our gal big tiddy goth gf— I kind of understand it though, I just think that from a female perspective some of the toxicity comes from over and over being told that women are unable to actually have an honest observation or that their past and current partners aren't good people but simply good-looking guys that will cheat on 'em, you know?

At the end of it, I think all PPD'ers need to stop with reciprocating the salt either side gets from the other side's bad-faith counterparts on everyone else. I often need to catch myself from doing the whole ''yeah but the other day y'all were saying [insert whatever gaslighty shit i've gotten from incel alt accounts]'', und so weiter, as if these are the same people are the person I'm talking to. It's instinctual/an easy trap to fall into, but I think it's a fallacious thing that we all would benefit on avoiding!

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This is so disingenuous.

OOH yes. The fundamental biological differences between men and women — that women will never be invested in racking up numbers, will never fuck just because the option is there, that women are invested in securing commitment from quality men to father her offspring, that the mismatch between men’s and women’s sex drive and men’s and women’s reasons for seeking commitment are fundamentally different — is pretty universal among men. Yes even Chad has been frustrated at a woman playing hard to get or just straight up rejecting him.

Yes, it’s a fair argument that most people would agree with that women are far harder to please and satisfy because women want so much more than men. Which does translate to some women coming into the dating market with a laundry list of requirements than don’t match up with what they have to offer. We’ve all known more than few of them.

OTOH, most men who aren’t IncelsTM recognize this for what it is, like it or not, rather than emotionally investing themselves in conspiracy theories and junk science to prove that women are “wrong” and society hates men (esp. ugly men) at the expense of doing anything about their own situation.

Meaning when someone tells an incelTM he needs to try, it’s because we all know their rhetoric and their game and we know they aren’t trying.

Meaning IncelsTM need to start admitting they’re being judged for what they say here not because they’re unsuccessful, and stop hiding behind their gender and crying misandry every time they’re criticized or questioned.

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The problem with this argument is that it places all men who share the similarity of having trouble with women into the same bin. There's no incel<sup>TM</sup>'s and regular incels. They're all incels, and need to fix their personality (assumption) if they want to be successful with women, as if that's all they needed to do to change the situation.

The other problem is that we have to question how much control people really have over their own situation. People with your attitude make it seem as though they have full control over the situation and any failure to succeed rests squarely with them, as though women have no control or agency over their own lives and they simply respond to the world around them in logical, robotic fashion. It's as simple as "do X; get Y" and it's just assumed that if men can't get Y, then it's because they probably didn't do X.

If only that were true. Some men are just left out of the equation altogether because they are physically incapable of meeting modern women's standards, and trying would only leave them burnt out.

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Nope. That’s akin to saying there are no white supremacists, only white people. All in the same “bin.”

No one has 100% control in their lives. Everyone has to figure out how to live without having 100% control over their lives. You (generic) can chose to pout about not having total control or you can play the cards your dealt. But others are not bad people because they don’t reorganize their lives to accommodate your flaws and unwillingness to change. It’s basically saying you only have enough in your pocket for a happy meal and the bastards serving lobster dinners are being unfair/selfish/oppressive by not letting you have one even though you can’t pay for it.

This is it in a nutshell.

You know what I tell women who complain there are no good men? Improve yourself enough to attract the kind of men you want, lower your standards or opt out and be OK being alone.

Those are the choices in this life, folks. That’s it.

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Nope. That’s akin to saying there are no white supremacists, only white people. All in the same “bin.”

That's not a logical comparison.

No one has 100% control in their lives.

Well then maybe people should stop treating those guys like it's 100% their fault that women aren't interested in them.

You (generic) can chose to pout about not having total control or you can play the cards your dealt.

Whatever that's supposed to mean. The guys in question DO play the cards that they're dealt, but the problem is that they haven't won and can't seem to win any hands, but they're expected to either continue playing with blind optimism or leave the game silently and gracefully. The only people who get to make any noise are those who have been winning but were dealt a few bad hands, I've noticed.

But others are not bad people because they don’t reorganize their lives to accommodate your flaws and unwillingness to change. It’s basically saying you only have enough in your pocket for a happy meal and the bastards serving lobster dinners are being unfair/selfish/oppressive by not letting you have one even though you can’t pay for it.

Pfft. Let's not pretend like most women are offering anyone lobster dinners in the way of a relationship. More accurately, it's like people are walking in with enough to buy a happy meal and the cashier points to the sign saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" and then refuse them service because they weren't dressed well enough, or whatever other reason that women reject a particular man for. It's understandable that they'd get emotional over it. Especially when they're hungry and can't find a place that will serve them, though of course it's still all their fault.

This is it in a nutshell.

Your nutshell has been shattered by the Nutcracker.

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Its a totally fair comparison. That you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Just because you want it to be a logical/fair/accurate comparison doesn't mean that it is. You would've been more logically correct if you had flipped them, but then you might not agree with it anymore which is why you phrased it the way you did.

It’s not about fault. It’s about what you do with what you have.

If it's not about fault or whose "problem" it is, then why do people tell those guys that it's their fault and their problem? "Oh, you can't win/succeed with what you've got? That's your problem. Don't try to make it ours."

I should have known you’d misinterpret the lobster analogy. The point is you don’t get what you want just because you want it.

Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to apply to everyone.

Women have the right to “refuse you service” any time and for any reason they want. You are not guaranteed “service” because you want it. This exactly the sense of entitlement people dislike incels for.

No, the problem is that you have every single element necessary to be given service but are still refused service anyway for reasons unknown. How would you feel if you were refused service everywhere you went for almost no good reason? You were dressed appropriately, had the money to pay for your things, were courteous and polite, etc. I'm sure you would eventually get frustrated and think that people were discriminating against you for some reason that you had no control over, right? That's how it feels, and pretty much what it is.

Apparently I need to say this again: do you know what I tell women who say there are no good men? improve yourself enough to get the kind of men you want, lower your standards or opt out and be OK being alone. Those are your choices.

That's really just shutting down the argument though. "Fix your personality/image/whatever or go sit quietly in the corner and don't bother the rest of us." It doesn't address their problems at all and only hand waves them away.

There are a lot of good people who have worked on themselves that are still alone regardless because others just aren't attracted to them. Women should at least admit that they'd rather be with an attractive guy who's a little rough around the edges than an unattractive guy who's worked on himself if they were to choose between the two. The only way the latter wins is if they meet the woman before the former does.

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So I got my taint licked this weekend

I took that girl I met on nye to a drive in theater (totally my idea). Then I took her to a park where we had a passionate fornication sesh in the back of my SUV. Car sex in the winter is the best sex. It's cold enough that we can use each others body heat to stay warm but not so cold that my dick stops working. 9/10 would do it again.

But also she texted me this morning she wants this to be something serious. She told me she sees herself in Chitown for the forseeable future. She also knows I'm applying to D schools and will probably move far away, sooo idk what she expects like a LDR?

I haven't texted her back yet. From my perspective I've got 3 options:

Lie to her and say I want something serious too and basically just milk it till I gotta dip
Try to make something serious work out and then go LDR. Idk this requires a lot of maturity I'm guessing
Be up front that and say I only want something casual and maybe get ghosted/dumped lmao

I've already asked my bros and they've told me to go with option 1, but they're as morally fucked as I am so I'm asking you saints what I should do. What would Chad do?

Edit: I'm adding an option 4- Stalling to buy myself more time. I'm leaning towards this cuz I need more time to decide anyways. Thoughts?

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You are going to smash so hard on this next date. Let her say her "talk", then just start getting closer and closer to her. She will try to be all stoic, but start touching her hair, side, smiling. etc. She will start blushing. Don't pul back or lose frame, she will melt and give you the best fux. Maybe she'll even lick past the taint!!!

Source - 5 years of my alpha Chad ex pulling this amused mastery shit on me when I wanted to break up with him.

You should probably her setup the next date. I'd be so fucking frustrated after I said something like that and the guy didn't respond with a plan to meet. My hamster would be in orbit and eventually I'd engage.

If she's playing cool girl, then in 5 days or so, find something fun you want to do and invite her along, like nothing happened. I believe they call this the "soft next".

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Thats you, we were young and very much in love so a 3 hour drive was fine.

The LDR boyfriends are always “very much in love” with their girlfriends while those same girlfriends are often just scratching an itch with someone else (and occasionally even falling in love too). Unless the second happens and is reciprocated, the LDR boyfriends never know better. Just seen it happen enough to know better.

Do you really think those girls are getting out of college without a LTR?

Particularly attractive women with the qualities you highlighted do pretty much always have a serious boyfriend - and given their desirability are highly prone to monkey branch. All women have that in them at a subconscious and innate level and though a few express it less than others it’s just a matter of the probability of a better enough man becoming obtainable at a low enough level of risk.

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Just go with the flow but be honest that you’re applying for schools and will most likely move away in a few months. Why do you have to commit to a long term and long distance thing now when you’re not going anywhere for at least what, eight months?

This way you’re not lying to her or leading her on. She has a choice if she wants to stick around and enjoy those few months together. And not worry too much about what happens when you leave because there are so many possibilities not yet Forseen.

How is this so difficult for men to understand? I’ll tell you why....Fucking scarcity mentality and pussy worship. You wanna minimize your chances of losing out on the azzzzz at either your expense or hers.. Why do you have to be callous and say you only want something casual? You’ve only had one date. It’s neither casual nor committed at this point it’s the evaluation phase. Hell after two months maybe you guys realize that you’re not compatible and the hotness of the first date in car sex was not enough to sustain. I’ve had that many times. Both people can walk away as friends knowing it just didn’t pan out.

Also, Licking taint on the first date seems like BPD girl behavior don’t you think?

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Okay, it wasn't approved by mods, so let's talk about it here. Have you heard about Human Giver Syndrome?

“Human Giver Syndrome” is the contagious (but false) belief that some people (usually women) have a moral obligation to be pretty, happy, calm, generous, and attentive to the needs of others – these are the Human Givers – while others have a moral obligation to be competitive, acquisitive, and infallible – the Human Beings.

It also includes the belief that Human Givers should give everything they have (and themselves) so Human Beings could experience their humanity.

It's initially was created to describe attitude to a women's role, but I think it can be applied both to male and female gender roles, especially traditional ones.

By a traditional role, especially the one that tradcons are into, a woman should be happy to give herself to her husband and family and there is no space for her personal inspiration and dreams if they aren't all built around her family. If she doesn't enjoy being a housekeeper and a mother and wants to be someone else, she's defective, brainwashed and selfish. Tradcon expect women to give themselves and everything they have so men could be "the human beings".

And men don't have it much better. Although they usually have a bit (or far) more freedom in their choices, they're bound to their role of a "captain" and provider. They're expected to give their time and money to their family quite often sacrificing their own health and personal inspirations.

Another example of HGS is some incels and MRAs. They believe that women should care of their problems and get pretty bitter because they don't. Some users of FDS as well, I guess, in terms of traditional dating. They think that men have to provide for them, because...they are men?

To make it clear, giving is okay, relationships partially are about giving and taking, but I think it should be always discussed and agreed on and we shouldn't just assume that a particular gender has to give something to the other just because it's "in their nature".

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So yea you've basically described pickmes and tradcons more or less. Also if you're "giving" just so the boys would like you, you aren't really selflessly giving because you always expect something in return, and this pattern is extremely neurotic and can poison you. This goes for pretty much any other example.

I personally feel like no matter what I do in life, there will be at least one person who won't like me for it, or they will misinterpret my intentions. You can get judged for literally anything, the way tou talk, the way you dress, how long your hair is etc. I think if you try to appeal to everyone, you will end up appealing to no one, other than maybe a select few of people you are trying to impress, and even they won't really like "you", just what they can get from you.

I feel like masculinity and femininity can be expressed in many different ways, and we shouldn't restrain people, just because in the 50's it used to be that way. We can make it possible to live in a world where you can express your femininity and be yourself, and same goes for masculunity.

Also calling your husband "captain" is kind of cringe ngl. (Nothing wrong with it, it's just cringe lol)

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Yeah I was referring to a post I made a few days ago, the jist being that within certain circles ("geek" things, anime, gaming, comic books, star wars, dungeons and dragons, furries etc) ugly/low smv guys have a much higher success rate than within the general population and "normal" women

Like, if you go to meetups/conventions for these special interests, you see a lot of fat, ugly, etc guys with girlfriends, and a lot of hookups go on at some of these gatherings, particularly the furries crowd. Most of the time the girls are not particularly unattractive, either, and some can be pretty cute. You can find girls there who have lower standards than, yet are equal or even more attractive than, the average woman of that given age.

So, hypothetically, a guy could increase his chances by hanging out in these circles.

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So ive been on reddit for a while now (like 2 yrs i think) and i have to say i notice a lot of polyamorous, swingers, and just general cucks.

I also notice when it comes to sort of an understanding of what is "aesthetic" or whats hot, ppl on reddit, usually the redpill men, have a tendency to just point at boring ass gym brah tryhards or very showy dry socialite celebs.

It got me thinking about IQ, and just specific types of intelligence. In this case, there is an intelligence of whats attractive, of whats "aesthetic", of whats sexy, of whats truly romantic (i dont mean cheesy romcom gestures from the 1960s) that i find much of reddit is just lacking. So with this in mind, it does not surprise me so many of these fuckers are into polyamory and cucking... there is a compartmentalization share-y gay socially thing going on that implies a blindspot, a lack of intelligence of whats attractive.

I also want to take this time for a shoutout. I hate cucks and polyamrous bundle sticks. You are all vile DISGUSTING pieces of garbage. Get out.

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So I was going thru my friends IG (don’t ask why lol) and I stumbled upon this

I mean the post is all levels of sad itself, but the saddest thing I realized wasn’t about the post but about myself.

Before red pill and ppd and weirdos on the internet I used to be a lot less cynical. Now I’m basically conditioned to be cynical about anything relationship related and I hate that about myself.

Like this post, if I saw this 4 years ago I would have been like “Aww thats so cute she gave him a second chance”

Today, I’m just wondering how many Chad cocks she gobbled from 2016 to 2020. Homeboy is only 22 and all I can see when I see this post is AF/BB

Sometimes I feel like ignorance is bliss, and I genuinely miss those days when I was oblivious to the realities of life. Life was just so much simpler back then. You go to school, dick around, come back home, jack off, hop on and play call of duty with your bros. That’s it. No negativity, no need to face the harsh realities of life.

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I can't say that you come across any more sympathetic towards men than I am towards women. If anything I would say some of the stuff you have said here seems more cruel than anything I have said.

Anyways we are more inclined to sympathize with that which we can relate to. I can't see myself in the girls position but I can see myself being in the other guys position. I guess there are winners and losers in every dynamic. The guy who she took a chance on the first date won that dynamic and the guy that ends up having to wait for a girl he thinks was modest but actually isn't is the loser of the second dynamic. And ultimately I do see women as the selectors/gatekeepers who have more bargaining power in most sexual dynamics so I do find it harder to sympathize with problems that come about from decisions they made under their own free will. She will easily get a guy who will wait in the future if that is what she desires, but some guys won't ever get to experience sex on the first date or getting that special treatment where a girl sees you as worth taking that risk on.

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Sure. I can’t sympathize with the guy who “has to wait” because I don’t see that as a losing position, he still gets enthusiastic sex and a relationship eventually. I guess you can’t see the girl who “took a chance” as a victim either, because you see sex as a win no matter what.

You’re so wrong on one thing, though. Women DO NOT have more bargaining power with men they are actually attracted to, horny women can be just as dumb as horny men. Add in scarcity mindset because hot guys are so rare. Women only have leverage and bargaining power over men they’re not attracted to.

I do understand that men see first date sex as especially validating, but I can’t sympathize when those same men have Madonna/whore complex and devalue the same women who would sleep with men on the first date. If men were consistent and only had sex with women they want to commit to, then women wouldn’t have to hold out on sex and everyone could feel special. Unfortunately men want to have their cake and eat it to (slutty flings/virgin rings)

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because I don’t see that as a losing position, he still gets enthusiastic sex and a relationship eventually.

No not as enthusiastic. Maybe if he's one of the few guys that she considers exceptionally attractive that might be true, but otherwise no.

I guess you can’t see the girl who “took a chance” as a victim either, because you see sex as a win no matter what.

I can sympathize with the hurt she feels, but ultimately she had the option to avoid that situation.

You’re so wrong on one thing, though. Women DO NOT have more bargaining power with men they are actually attracted to.

Sure but the % of men women have that level of attraction towards is a lot smaller so in most dynamics the woman does have more bargaining power. However in the few instances where its a guy she sees as exceptionally attractive, I agree that guy holds the power but most men rarely to never find themselves in that situation.

I do understand that men see first date sex as especially validating, but I can’t sympathize when those same men have Madonna/whore complex and devalue the same women who would sleep with men on the first date.

I don't think that is how it plays out. The guy who has to wait often didn't have a lot of flings or first date sex. He probably always or usually gets thrown in the "take things slow" category by women and has a lower n-count than both the girl and lower than the n-count of the men she slept with previously.

The guys who are able to sleep around usually pair off with a girl who also has sex with them right away or they get the genuine Madonna if that is what they really wanted. The other guys get stuck with a girl who is a Madonna for them but was the whore for other guys.

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Nope. Looting via the vote doesn’t enrich the country. Rather, it does just the opposite, it impoverishes it (see: 10x the nation’s productivity in debt and unfunded liability). What enriches a country (and it’s people) is productivity.

Also, mob rule (democracy) tends to result in tyranny as the mob tends to vote with its gut and give increasing power to a centralized government that promises to share the loot. Thing is, the authoritative centralized government is looting the entire economy in order to redistribute the loot because government doesn’t actually produce anything - so the looting just ends up reducing aggregate productivity (ie making everyone poorer). The wealthy figure out ways to escape the looting (eventually “voting with their feet”) and the wealth gap increases. That’s the cycle of mob rule, and it’s why we ~~have~~ had a republic with significant protections against mob rule (aka protection for minorities - ethnic, political, and economic) structured into Congress and the electoral system.

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However, it's undeniable that the ultra-rich have a disproportionate amount of power over politics because of lobbying. How is this okay and not a threat to democracy?

The problem is Clinton IIRC changed the rules so the media is owned by only a few people. Before better people had it so you couldn't own multiple stations.

Hell VICE which is ultra crazy left now used to be libertarian right but it got bought out.

This is where government is a good thing in terms of monopolies but currently there is no safeguard for the press and communication these days which is solely around "social media".

Jeff Bezo being super rich isn't a problem, him buying the Washington Post just to be his personal propaganda machine is when there is a shrinking pool of independent information sources, most of which are being deplatformed. They exist but people don't even know where to find them.

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A lot of libertarians parrot their opinions from people who are funded by think-tanks for large businesses, so they are going to shill for those businesses even if they do not realize it. It is precisely these "ultra-rich" people who use their power to influence politics that fund libertarianism. I would not take libertarianism as a sincere political position at this point, because 9/10 times these people are just repeating the talking points fed to them from some propaganda system. The Koch Brothers are a good example of this, they fund libertarian think tanks and do exactly what you are talking about; they donate large amounts of money to politicians and lobby to influence political decisions. No sincere libertarian movement exists here, it is just wealthy people pushing policies that benefit them and tricking people into advocating for it as well- which includes ignoring the influence of money over politics.

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I am not railing against the libertarian viewpoint,

You certainly suggested that those arguing its tenets were doing so in bad faith, and by implication that the substance of the arguments was not to be taken seriously.

I am just saying that it does not exist in the real world

There is no system of political or economic organization which exists in its pure form in the world. That does not preclude the good faith discussion of such and the efficacy of the application of their tenets within society.

I am not entirely sure what this entails, what is the argument?

It’s a foundational principle of libertarian philosophy. If you’re unfamiliar with this, you’re not at all familiar with pretty much any aspect of libertarian thought or argument, and should probably refrain from comment until you become so..

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China can't either. It you think alibaba doesn't lobby things in its favor, you are mistaken.

I'm not saying they are perfect. But they've done a good job of reducing it in the last 20y.

It's a natural result of the system. You either control the market so that corporations don't grow big enough to influence the government (which means no capitalism) or you have a free market.

That's like saying 'growing fat is a natural result of eating'. Not necessarily. It is not uncontrollable. Economic obesity is not an inevitability of capitalism.

When the American forefathers established the system, globalization wasnt a thing and corporations couldn't grow to today's size .

Let me introduce you to the Dutch East India Company. Considered to be the most valuable company to ever have existed, at a whopping $8.28 trillion in 2019 dollars (Apple was worth 1.3T in comparison).

This is inevitable.

No, it is not.

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Additionally , even if you did slim down the government, corporations would push it to fatten up again . Just like they did with the US and pretty much every capitalistic country .

Of course they would, which is why the people need to be educated. They need to understand it is their job to push back.

Any engineer knows that 'balanced' systems are not balanced because they are designed to perfect, but because they have equal and opposing forces that counteract each other.

And who would push for these changes or try to hold people accountable? If the government doesn't want any of these things to happen, it won't do it. If you are powerful enough to control the government, why would it start chasing you?

The people. You want to see a corporation dance? Boycott. A single person doesn't hold a lot of sway, but as a group we can force change on any system.

A democratic citizen has a duty to keep the government running smoothly. That's what comes with the added power. But somewhere along the way we've forgotten that duty, and think that slapping an X on a ballot is sufficient. It is not.

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Many places got good public education and are still beholden to populism and the manipulations of corporations. When corporations control all you see(news, movies,shows, YouTube etc.) and how you communicate (social media) no matter how educated the public gets, they are still gonna do what the corporations want . A single person doesn't hold a lot of sway and as a group we are easily manipulated in the modern age.

You can see this even now. The people that dance the best to the whims of corporations and push for a bigger government are the educated portion of the population.Education won't have the miraculous effect you hope it will, there is a reason things are the way they are now pretty much worldwide.

The people. You want to see a corporation dance? Boycott

The people attack whatever you have conditioned them to attack. Never mind how few successful boycott campaigns there have been, if on the surface level they cater to your sensibilities, you will not even want to boycott them.

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I.e., ~~an incredibly insecure guy.~~ a guy who wants to avoid infidelity.

Sexual promiscuity was significantly positively correlated with emotional promiscuity [r(356) = .261, p < .001], as well with sexual infidelity [r(323) = .595, p < .001] and emotional infidelity [r(323) = .676, p < .001], indicating that sexually promiscuous participants also tend to be emotionally promiscuous, and sexual[ly] and emotional[ly] unfaithful. In terms of the sexual domain, results showed that there is also a positive correlation between sexual promiscuity and sexual infidelity, stating that individuals that tend to be more sexually promiscuous also tend to be more sexually unfaithful. These results support our second hypothesis.

Pinto R., Arantes J. (2016). The Relationship between Sexual and Emotional Promiscuity and Infidelity in Proceedings of the Athens: ATINER’S Conference Paper Series, No: PSY2016-2087, Athens, 10.30958/ajss.4-4-3

https://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/bitstream/1822/38625/1/Ricardo%20Bruno%20Barbosa%20Pinto.pdf

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I have mixed feelings about the first one.

I often hear things like "you're pretty for a black girl" or "I never thought I'd date a black girl." As if it just straight-up never occurred to this person that out of the millions of black people they have never met they might find someone attractive. It's even worse in the U.S. because "black people" covers such a wide range of looks (some of my relatives basically look like white brunettes with slight tans a la Meghan Markle, my mom gets mistaken for everything from Hispanic to Hawaiian native) that ruling out everyone seems kinda ignorant, but not necessarily racist per se.

I never say "I'm not attracted to X race" because imo it's hard to know that for sure unless you have some kind of visceral prejudice that goes beyond preferring a certain look. I have seen Redditors say they'd dump a GF if she looked white or another race but turned out to be black. That's just flat-out racist imo.

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Yes, it is racist. But its the kind of racism done in a hush hush sort of way. If you air that opinion out loud, then you risk publicly labelled as racist.

This is why we use the language to redefine words. Enough people have made exceptions to racism on an individual level.

As long as you keep your mouth shut and NOT issue your actual reason for why you don't like other races, you can escape the judgement by blaming it on other things.

This is a deep unconscious bias. We all have it.

And in a "civilized" society, we hide these uncomfortable truths with PC language. This is partly why those smug upper middle class people are so into being politically correct.

Same goes for "transphobia." I mean, what the hell can you do with people who are sadly mentally ill? T people don't like to hear that heterosexuals don't want them. So now, we all have to walk in egg shells around them, and use their own PC language back at them.

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There are levels which should all be characterized differently.

Level 1: the ones who I would actually call out as racist/transphobic/homophobic

The Piece of Shit. Deserves to be pilloried, divorce-raped, and mocked openly by all. This is the one who says, "I would never date people of X group because they are [inaccurate negative stereotype about X]," (e.g., "I would never date a white woman because they are all Karens") and if their kid starts dating someone from X group, they try to sabotage the relationship and/or disown their kid.

The Angry Garden Gnome. Deserves to be firmly corrected every time they speak up about their bigotry and to have their kid say, "I know you tried, but it wasn't enough," on their deathbed. Says, "I would never date people of X group because they are [inaccurate negative stereotype about X]," but if their kid starts dating someone from X group, they just grumble and say, "well maybe there are exceptions, I just want my kid to be happy."

The Lazy Sack of Potatoes. Deserves to be mocked by friends & family. Says, "I don't want to date people from X group because I'm not into [a trait which is actually common in group X]." (e.g., "I don't want to date men because I'm not into dick.")

Level 2: the people with subconscious biases

The Trauma Queen. Deserves to go to therapy for a long time. Has had a bad experience or two with people from group X (or maybe has just been traumatized secondhand) and refuses to date them because of that anecdotal experience.

The Megaphone. Virtue-signal constantly but it doesn't fill the holes in their hearts. Will probably date people they aren't attracted to several times and dump them or get dumped frequently, and they deserve all the angst they have over not being attracted to people who they think they should be attracted to.

The Vampire. Has no ability to self-reflect, and possibly no reflection at all. Deserves to consume more diverse media. Has no idea why they don't want to date people from group X and no conscious dislike of group X, "I'm just not attracted to them, that's all."

Level 3: the people with subconscious biases who are self-aware and actively trying to ameliorate them

The Ballerina. They tiptoe into wokeness without making substantial changes to their lives. Will say things like, "Well, I really am attracted to a low waist-to-hip ratio because of my social and biological conditioning, but I guess if I meet a man who has a low waist-to-hip ratio I would be willing to try dating them." Will probably date a trans person or a biracial person who has looks such that they can "pass" once for somewhere between one month and one year.

The Settler. Accepts that they won't be with someone who they're strongly attracted to initially, sticks it out for years with a positive attitude, and eventually through constant exposure gets used to their partner enough to be content.

The Caffeinated-Woke. Seeks out diverse media actively with more persistence than the energizer bunny, and especially media that shows attractive individuals from a group they're usually less attracted to. Cultivates friendships with people who are very different from themselves. Will still have some race-related, gender-related, and/or sexuality-related preferences but will generally have an attitude of, "we're going to treat every person as an individual rather than a representative of their group." Only dates people who they are actually attracted to but will decide whether they're attracted based on their response to the individual rather than pre-filtering.

Level 4: the people with no biases

The Platonic Ideal of an Unbiased Human. Does not exist.

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This is the most well put together and organized thing I have ever seen in this subreddit, or Reddit as a whole for that matter. I appreciate you putting in the time to post this. Are these your ideas or did you get these from another source?

In my opinion for race I’d say I’m between a settler and caffeinated woke. I’m genuinely attracted to all races/ethnicities, as well as heights. Maybe lean more towards thinner.

For gender related or sexuality related I’m unfortunately a lazy sack of potatoes. Tho I disagree that deserves to be in the call out level. I feel if I’m a Heterosexual male and I know I don’t like dick I shouldn’t be called out for it. In your opinion would you look at it the same if for example I called our someone for not want to experiment certain things. How is me not wanting to try dick any different than someone not wanting to try anal, or swinging etc.

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This is the most well put together and organized thing I have ever seen in this subreddit, or Reddit as a whole for that matter. I appreciate you putting in the time to post this. Are these your ideas or did you get these from another source?

Thanks! These are my original thoughts.

I feel if I’m a Heterosexual male and I know I don’t like dick I shouldn’t be called out for it.

You can not like dick, know it, not have any desire to change that fact about yourself and still be in the Ballerina level if you are open to dating men who don't have dicks (e.g., many trans men) and you are supportive of their presentation and identity (i.e., you aren't thinking to yourself, "this person says they're a man but they're basically a woman, I'm still 100% straight"). If the reason you're heterosexual is that you don't like dick and you aren't transphobic, you should be willing to consider dating a trans man who doesn't want to get bottom surgery as part of his transition.

How is me not wanting to try dick any different than someone not wanting to try anal, or swinging etc.

I don't think you should have to try dick. I think you should be open to men who don't have dicks.

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I agree with the claim that if a man does not want to date someone who transitioned to a female

This is kinda the opposite of what I said. What I said was that if having a dick was the key thing that mattered to him, then he should be open to dating someone FtM who is not getting bottom surgery (assuming he liked this person in all other ways), as an FtM person would not have a dick. It sounds like you are talking about MtF trans people.

Nor should they be condemned if they find out the person was trans and is no longer interested.

If you like everything about a person (including their genitals), why would you no longer be interested after finding out they are trans?

I do personally prefer a man who was born a man

What is it that you like about cis men specifically which cannot be found in trans men or trans women?

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Are there main tenets of this you disagree with?

Yes because "bias" is often confused with caution.

And being woke by todays standards is just another form of hate. Woke twitter is pretty much a hate mob to destroy wrongthink.

But lets get to the first point because its more important.

While anyone can be mentally ill, many transpeople are mentally ill. Going into a relationship with one while pretending this isn't a very strong possibility is just poor judgement. There is a line between "all trans people or mentally ill" vrs "There is a good chance this person has severe mental issues and I should be wary".

Many years ago, Jesse Jackson said he was more worried for his safety when a group of young black men were walking behind him than white. Was he suffering from "internalized racism" nah, he knows black youths are more likely to do something violent. Its self preserving bias, also known as caution.

I know a hot petite blonde woman MD who's practically evil and I know a huge guy with face tattoos whos a great guy, but if you have no other info on them you know which one will cause more discomfort if say you were in an elevator with them at 2am.

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Yes because "bias" is often confused with caution.

My comment said absolutely nothing about caution. Being cautious is compatible with being willing to try dating someone who is from a group you are cautious of. If you know that there are a lot of moldy strawberries, you can still be interested in eating a strawberry if you see when you look at it that it isn't moldy.

And being woke by todays standards is just another form of hate. Woke twitter is pretty much a hate mob to destroy wrongthink.

Are you reacting to what I actually wrote, or are you just triggered by the word "woke"?

While anyone can be mentally ill, many transpeople are mentally ill.

Agreed. Trans people are more likely to be mentally ill than cis people.

There is a line between "all trans people or mentally ill" vrs "There is a good chance this person has severe mental issues and I should be wary".

Agreed. And I didn't address the "I should be wary" mindset in my comment at all except for maybe very obliquely in the Ballerina description, where I implied with the phrase about people who "pass" that someone in the "Ballerina" category would probably be very selective about who they date from groups they on average are less attracted to.

Did you think I was advocating calling people out for being cautious? To be clear, I do not advocate this.

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I think if he wanted to make the situation a Teaching Moment he could have chosen a way to do that that didn't involve letting his kid be hungry and frustrated for six hours. Like, order in food (because apparently there was nothing to eat in the house except that one can of beans?) but still make her figure out the can opener on her own.

I also think can openers are pretty unintuitive devices and it's really no fault but his own that his kid was 9 and didn't know how to use one. People need to be taught how to do simple things sometimes. I find it weird when parents act like their kid's inability to do something is a failing on the kid's part instead of the parent's.

All of that said though, the accusations of abuse are ridiculous and I can't stand the whole bloodthirsty trend of digging into someone's past tweets to find something problematic to cancel them over. The whole thing took a gross turn real quick.

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As you may see if you ever decide to parent multiple children, boys and girls tend to have very different proclivities. Explicating those differences doesn’t constitute a “roast” to anyone but those who are insecure enough to dislike honest criticism.

When I suggest that I have to be far more concerned about my son and his knuckle-headed friends giving themselves concussions and breaking their limbs doing stoopid shite like sending small cliffs on their skis than I do my ski racing daughters, and I have had to restrict their freedom to roam the mountain accordingly, men don’t get their panties in a wad. But suggest that your daughters have a tendency to be much lazier about having to figure things out, and suddenly you “hate” women. Y’all are laughable with the victim complexes.

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See how you equate objective critique with “putting someone in their place?”

That’s the issue.

As I said:

Tell men that we tend to be knucklehead risk takers when we’re young (and often even into adulthood) and panties don’t get waded. Our response: Yes, and what’s new.

Tell women that they tend to be lazy thinkers and lack curiosity and it’s as if you’ve put glass shards in their underwear. Your response: Stop hating women and trying to “put us in our place.”

When you become introspective, objectively self observant, and self critical yourselves you will begin to see that others don’t hate you as much as you hate yourself.

For example, when white men say to me “Black men aren’t really handling their business generally, you need to start being better fathers.” I reply, “You’re absolutely correct, we do,” because they are correct. I don’t get offended because I am self-critical and thus I know it to be true.

Rather, I understand that the white man who is willing to say that to me to my face doesn’t actually hate me or think that I am inferior because of the color of my skin, but simply has the same expectations of me that he does himself (meaning the he’s the one who actually sees me as his equal). It is the white men (and women) who pity me, and tell me how hard I must have it because of the color of my skin who actually believe that they are my superiors.

In order to feel the pang of noblesse oblige, one must first believe that one is actually noble and thus superior to those to whom he (and more frequently she) feels obligated. Similarly, those who signal the most virtue, tend to have the least of it.

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This is exactly right.

There's a young singer-songwriter I like named Conan Gray. He started out as a fairly popular youtuber when he was a teenager and pivoted to a music career. As a result his audience largely consists of terminally Online zoomers and every other week they try to cancel him over some innocuous thing or another. One time it was for using the wrong color emoji (he's half Asian and there was a whole debate over whether he was brown enough to use one of the darker emojis instead of the white one). Another time he used the word "hippy" which apparently some teens decided is problematic or a slur or something. It's just ridiculous and for some reason it's constant with this poor dude, and every time it happens he makes some apology, which doesn't appease the mob at all and just eggs them on to find something else to cancel him over. And these are supposedly fans of his! He eventually left twitter over it which was probably a good call.

The absolute worst thing you can do is dignify this nonsense with an apology.

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And I agree it’s all about the face. But the thing is a man’s face usually looks its best when a man is around 8-12% bodyfat because that’s when their jawline and cheekbones show the most.

That's assuming he has a favorable bone structure though, and if he does, he'll still look good at higher body fat. I think the file name of the #1 photo I linked was called 18-20% body fat.

Also yeah the 2nd guy will probably be the most successful in the casual sex scene, that’s mostly what I meant by my post.

Men value being successful in the casual sex scene though. I think they both would be successful, with the same face, though #2 looks the most likely to be pursuing casual sex.

I’m guessing a lot of girls who won’t prefer guy #2 for relationships is because they think he’s a fuckboi or like other women said spends too much time in the gym or counting macros (lol)

Haha, it's both, yeah. But if he's not a fuckboi and not spending too much time in the gym and counting macros (not possible though, with that physique), then few girls are gonna say "no thanks, too ripped". It's just very likely he'll be a fuckboi or spending too much time on maintaining his physique, that's what they don't prefer.

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Right like take a male model, even at a higher bodyfat he’ll have an aesthetic symmetrical face, but that sharp jawline and protruding cheekbones will only show at lower bodyfat %. I don’t have a male model bone structure but I still have strong facial features and losing weight has made them show a lot more and made my face a lot more attractive.

This is also why women can be more attractive fat than men, because round facial features are generally not as bad on women as it is on men.

I think I would still give the edge to #2 in the casual sex scene even if they had the same face (which they won’t at different bodyfat %), mostly because #2 will have a larger more masculine frame.

And yeah I hear you. I think those types of dudes will attract women who also spend a ton of time on their appearance. People tend to date people similar to themselves. I follow a few bodybuilders like Mike Thurston on IG and guys like him are usually always surrounded by models who also obsess about their appearance. I don’t think women on here relate to those types of women or those types of men, so its fair that women on here don’t wanna date that type of dude.

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Right like take a male model, even at a higher bodyfat he’ll have an aesthetic symmetrical face, but that sharp jawline and protruding cheekbones will only show at lower bodyfat %.

This is also why women can be more attractive fat than men, because round facial features are generally not as bad on women as it is on men.

Round facial features are feminine though, whilst sharper features are masculine, so that makes sense. It's dependent on where you gain the weight, I personally get a double chin at >140 lbs which is still a healthy weight for my height, so I make sure to maintain a lower weight.

And yeah I hear you. I think those types of dudes will attract women who also spend a ton of time on their appearance. People tend to date people similar to themselves. I follow a few bodybuilders like Mike Thurston on IG and guys like him are usually always surrounded by models who also obsess about their appearance. I don’t think women on here relate to those types of women or those types of men, so its fair that women on here don’t wanna date that type of dude.

I have an IG, but I strictly follow people I know and puppies/kittens/hobby stuff (ok, Henry Cavill is an exception). I wouldn't want to date someone that spends a lot of time on their online persona, no.

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Round facial features are feminine though, whilst sharper features are masculine,

Fair enough, but you get my point though of why a lower bodyfat % if beneficial for a man's attractiveness right? I have an article explaining why: https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/ideal-body

I wouldn't want to date someone that spends a lot of time on their online persona, no.

I actually make this point a lot on here. The women on PPD are not the type of women that red pillers interact with. The type of women red pillers are interacting with are the ones posting their ass on instagram or being trashy at a club or playing guys on tinder. That's why they have such a low opinion of women. I don't believe in AWALT because I think majority of women are decent, but if you only chase after the baddies you can't be surprised when they fuck your shit up hard

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Fair enough, but you get my point though of why a lower bodyfat % if beneficial for a man's attractiveness right? I have an article explaining why: https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/fundamentals/looks-and-style/ideal-body

I think we're agreeing, but from different points of view, since I'm coming from the female viewpoint on casual sex. I don't partake, so I think they both look attractive. If the goal is casual sex, it helps to look as manly and masculine as possible. If lower body fat is necessary to have the facial bonestructure required, then yes, he'll be better for the job at a lower body fat.

I actually make this point a lot on here. The women on PPD are not the type of women that red pillers interact with. The type of women red pillers are interacting with are the ones posting their ass on instagram or being trashy at a club or playing guys on tinder. That's why they have such a low opinion of women. I don't believe in AWALT because I think majority of women are decent, but if you only chase after the baddies you can't be surprised when they fuck your shit up hard

Yeah, I've made that point a few times myself, why are the PPD-men surprised that the women they're picking through means of casual sex (dating apps) have higher n-counts than they like?

Or being surprised that women apparantly are vapid and don't have hobbies beside "vain" ones (makeup/social media), when your only criteria to her was "be hot".

Just.. smh.

Don't expect a fish to fetch the ball if that's the kind of pet you want, just get a damn golden retriever, lmao.

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What, if true, would explain what you described? It's a common type of question.

Answer: Men's and women's sexual strategies are adversarial due to basic biology.

The long and short of it:

At men's extreme, they take advantage of women physically -- rape.

At the other end, women's extreme is taking advantage of men socially -- deception of paternity, deception of sexual history to longer term partners to secure commitment/investment from those who wouldn't be interested otherwise, etc.

Men have conceeded physical exploitation as wrong.

But women today are overwhelmingly socially deceptive -- deception about sexual history to long term partners is widespread and overwhelmingly the rule. I cannot stress enough how big of a deal this is: women today are overwhelmingly socially deceptive in their mating strategy.

Interestingly, women often frame social deception in a justifiable/positive light to themselves (sometimes referred to a "rationalization hamster", due to the unconscious nature of the thought process used to justify actions/beliefs in a circular way).

Evolution naturally selects for qualities in each gender that make them more capable of maximizing their reproductive success. Men will have more reproductive success with increasing physical strength. Women will have more reproductive success through social means. Members of each gender who have those qualities will be selected for and pass those qualities to their offspring.

Your comment is consistent with this.

For example, to the extent there are legitimate or less defensible concerns from men (e.g., lying about sexual history, preferences for previous sexual partners, etc.), those concerns will tend to be downplayed, deflected, misrepresented, or lied about, whether true to a large degree or small.

Something related and less contentious might be used to reframe, for example, which characterizes your comment: Men want to invalidate sexual assault experiences and blame women. Therefore, men are wrong. How dare they blame assault victims, etc.

It's an innate quality that has been selected for in women the same way physical strength has been selected for in men over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

Make no question about it: This kind of deception is extremely exploitive.

Over time:

Women's widespread and overwhelming social deception = a widespread fear of men being willing to engage in long term sexual relationships.

In a mirror way that:

Widespread and overwhelming physical exploitation by men = widespread fear of women to engage in short term non-sexual relationships.

Neither is progress.

Both are regressive.

Progress will only come from the extent to which the most exploitive mating strategies of both men and women are eliminated.

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The relationship rituals thread triggered this thought in me.

Let's take best case scenario: I hop on OLD, I get a match(lol), we set up a date, and now I'm going to eat a dinner in a restaurant - already a humongous waste of time, who the fuck goes to eat in restaurants - with a double whammy of a) a woman who doesn't share any of my interests and therefore we have nothing to talk about and b) complete stranger that I know nothing about. And, if I repeat the process on average three times, maybe I'll get to have sex with her.

This is probably just my autism speaking but whoooooo the fuck thinks this is a good deal or good return on your effort/time investment? Let's say each date is 2 hours, so that's 6 hours spend smiling and nodding and "gaming" to get half an hour of sex. I guess you could argue that the end goal isn't sex but a girlfriend, but that's an order of magnitude harder on OLD too. So, order of magnitude more effort/time spent.

Shit, this almost makes me believe MGTOWs.

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sigh My point is with younger girls effort doesn’t matter as much as attraction. You’ll have they guy who finds out a girls favorite flower, color, comes up with the most elaborate date for her and she’ll pass on it cause he’s not her type, but if her ideal 10/10 just wants to hang, she’ll be down in a heartbeat. Whether she has options or not, it’s not the highest effort that wins

I mean I’ve never truly put in much effort with women on tinder or bars. Just say a few words and most times we have sex before I even know their last name. Idk what to tell you kid. Women like sex as much as men and are just as shallow as men. They’re down to hook up. People can’t hook up forever though and if they want kids (women around age 35) then they stop thinking with their vagina and more with their head. If you don’t think women’s attraction going from physical to safety/secure when they age, I don’t know what to tell you.

And stop being so sensitive over words. I’m a whore, most of the women I slept with were whores. It’s a word jeez.

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In the modern age, dating app algorithms quite literally determine your dating life. The algorithms are not progressive. They are ruthlessly capitalistic. The men who have a higher ELO score get shown more frequently and to higher quality women.

Despite so much progressiveness in society now, why has there never been mainstream criticism of the non-progressive and unfair dating app algorithms? Why don't progressives support more progressiveness?

Dating app makers are unethical. They should be forced to implement progressiveness into dating apps. Men who have a low match rate should show up more frequently to women and to higher quality women (and vice versa for low quality women and high quality men).

This is attention redistribution. Low quality men deserve (i.e. are entitled to) at least some fleeting attention of women.

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Ok, real life is for women what prison is like for men. 12-14% risk

No it’s not.

US rape (annually): approximately 140,000 of which about 100,000 is forcible.

Let’s assume all of those are women (and they are not).

US female population: approximately 167,000,000

That yields a .083% probability that a given woman in the US is raped per year at most.

and, women account for about 7% of the prison population, but make up about 22% of victims of sexual assault.

Rape =/= sexual assault

If we’re comparing sexual assault numbers you’d have to have some methodology for addressing the significant reporting bias effect. For example, I have been (legal definition) sexually assaulted by women numerous times but have never reported it. Men almost never report sexual assault, women surely underreport as well, but I’d bet it’s significantly less so.

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Yes, but just as my experience as a woman, most of the women I know have either been sexually assaulted or raped

Every attractive man you know has likely been sexually assaulted by women multiple times (according to the legal standard).

I know that in my life if I had behaved towards women as they have behaved towards me in this regard, I would have been: fired from every job I’ve ever held for sexual harassment, kicked out of just about every other bar I have frequented for harassing women, probably beaten several times by boyfriends/husbands, charged with multiple counts of sexual assault in court (according to the legal standard), and convicted of rape of a minor.

Except for the last one, I have realized that all the other stuff is just human beings expressing their sexual interest in me, because (surprise) human beings are sexual animals. Did much of it make me uncomfortable? Yes, that’s life.

Prime example:

I went out two nights ago to play pool at one of my local spots. I run into a friend I had not seen in a while and he invites me to play pool with him, another guy, and a young lady. I had seen the young lady a couple of times before, but did not know her, though she did know who I was. She is very flirty, and drinking, during the game and at one point grabs my butt, I made a joke and brushed it off. An hour or so later she complains to our mutual friend that some guy at the bar to whom she had been talking, sexually harassed her by touching her butt, and expected us to confront him. Technically both cases were sexual assault. Seen that kind of stuff all the time - that’s how women generally roll in or society.

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Nah, if I had a choice between a guy you're describing here and my female friend, I'd prefer living with my friend. A pepper spray and a nonlethal pistol would do.

This sounds depressing

In case of having more free time it sound "True, but I get more in less working hours, so I'll just sit and watch how you get exhausted by your work and most of domestic chores".

Chores aren't hard to do at all. Nannies aren't expensive either, especially if the woman is working hard as you say.

...Partially because I live in a society full of people saying things that you repeat here with a straight face and actually believing them. I'm not okay with the place and society I live in, I'm happy with a person I endure it though.

Why are you so against the better party cooking good food for the kids and family?

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Women are naturally better at cooking

Not quite true. Gender roles and household chore-divisions makes so that women are expected to do the cooking and so get more practice. They're not naturally (read: genetically disposed) to be better at cooking, it's just that it usually falls so them. It requires practice, like all things.

My mom works, and my dad takes freelance work when it comes his way. He usually cooks and keeps the home. He's a great cook, mom's too.

No one gets to chill at home, you're both living there and both need to pull some weight. Of course, if you're the sole breadwinner, the other partner's day is open for keeping the house, but that's kinda in the SAHP-job description.

Whoever works harder, gets fewer of the household chores. If I earn 30% of our combined income on a 8 hour physically demanding job, I'd expect to do fewer or less physically demanding chores than the 70% partner that spent 8 hours in an office, even if he's the breadwinner.

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Why do you think women are far far far more likely to be the SAHP 🤔

... because women birth children and usually have the lowest income of the two parents? I mean, you could let the highest earner stay at home, but that's not very logical, is it? In Norway, both parents get parent leave to bond with their child. Are Norwegian women supposed to come home from work to start on the house chores? That shit wouldn't fly long to put it mildly.

Plus kids deserve a loving mom to grow up with

Being a balanced partner would lead to a loving mom that isn't frazzled with the stress of doing all the chores and childrearing alone. I've seen a few divorces over this.

I'd rather pick up after myself and the kids than pick up after myself, and the kids and the husband, who gets to do the fun parent-stuff, while I'm left with the actual disciplining. Alimony (since I left my job and lost opportunities to have children) would keep me floating until I was back in a job.

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Are Norwegian women supposed to come home from work to start on the house chores? That shit wouldn't fly long to put it mildly.

Aren't women already doing more chores?

Being a balanced partner would lead to a loving mom that isn't frazzled with the stress of doing all the chores and childrearing alone. I've seen a few divorces over this.

If she's stressed we can outsource for a while so we can both rest after work

I'd rather pick up after myself and the kids than pick up after myself, and the kids and the husband, who gets to do the fun parent-stuff, while I'm left with the actual disciplining. Alimony (since I left my job and lost opportunities to have children) would keep me floating until I was back in a job.

That's an easy way to get a bad relationship. Women are just the better homemakers.

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One was a robbery, I was 13 or 14 walking back from my first girlfriend’s apartment, second was a kid who brandished it at a group of us after some beef got started on the bus, again I was 14 or 15, and then much later in life a guy flashed he had a piece in his waistband when me and another guy were trying to get him to leave the park where he was selling crack near the kids playground. I lived a lot of my life in some really shitty neighbourhoods, add an anger problem, be a skinny dorky kid, and well...I’ve been in more fights than I can count, lost almost all of them, been robbed a few times, saw three people get killed, two from arson and one was a really stoned dude who threw himself off a terrace and hit head first on the concrete below, he didn’t make a sound, just a wet thump.

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Fearing for your own safety and well being is one thing. Your wife gaslighting you because she has feelings is a whole other animal.

They are exactly the same thing. Time and time again women insist they are justified in acting irrational and illogical because they 'feel' some way or another.

It's why we say they act irrational, because many of the feelings are not rational in that they do not reflect reality.

You're far more likely to die driving to/from a first date than on the first date. You're more likely to get cancer from spending time in bars than to be killed by a person in said bar. Eating out with a stranger is more likely to cause death due to metabolic disease than him actually killing you.

Yet none of these cause 'sinking feelings'. Heck, a man is more likely than a woman to be assaulted approaching her, yet girls cry victim??

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There's a lot of ways but it just comes down to asking at a good time without it being sus. Usually that means to segway into the question and there's a lot of ways to do it. You could be watching a movie and then ask her after if she thinks the female lead is attractive or not. This can segway into why or why not, what kind of female traits is she into, does she think females are attractive, etc. Or something as casual as just chilling around asking what ifs. After a while, ask what if a girl asked her out. The key is to be subtle and make it sound like the point of the convo is to get to know her more. It'll be alot easier than you think. There's alot of segway into this topic.

If she's not interested in girls, then there's not much you can do. Sure you can try and convince/pressure her but it'll probably end badly. If she is interested, now you can repeat the above with seeing if hypothetically she would be interested in a threesome. Probably wouldn't mention it in the same convo as above but depends on how slick you are. Safest is to make it separate convos and long/different enough so she doesn't connect the dots.

Tip: This is what should be done but a lot of people fail at it. You can't make it all about you. You have to go into it seeing it as a couple activity, not just something for you alone to enjoy.

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Yea that's probably a point of no return no matter what you do. So best thing is to not worrying about something that's out of your control. Just focus on making sure the build up to it doesn't make her feel as offended. In addition to finding out if she is interested or not, try and see why she is opposed to it if she is.

Most of the time, people get offended with this because they don't want their SO to engage in an intimate act with someone else. Once their SO suggests it, they'll have thoughts that their SO is bored of their sex life, or that they're bored of them, of that she's not enough for him, etc. She might feel hurt that her SO wants to share an intimate moment with a 3rd party. You want to make sure she doesn't feel this way when you bring it up. It'll go a long way in bringing things back to normal. Keep in mind that even if she is interested and wants to try it out, these issues are likely going to still be present. A common issue that most guys have when engaging in a FFM threesome with their SO is that they think there's an emphasis on male pleasure but it's not. It's not just a man fuckin 2 women, its a couple fuckin with another woman. These are things you have to be careful because issues can arise after the event that can create problems.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/kl86nz/comment/ghlk1ts?context=1

To follow up with this. She came over yesterday cooked baked ziti, and brought all the food and shit she needed. The food was good not great especially with how much she bragged lol but that’s another story. So we’re on my couch start to fool around and then when I pull my dick out she does the whole

“I don’t really have sex on the first date, I’m not that type of girl”.

I’m like yeah ok. But my dick is out, so she starts to give me a handjob and then like a minute later is like F it and goes down on me. It was good, I hadn’t touched myself all week so the finish was great. So we’re on the couch for like another hour and I make up some excuse about how I need to be up in the morning and she leaves.

That’s 4 straight first dates now where the girl would blow me but we didn’t have vaginal sex. The crazy thing is in the previous 3 first dates we ended up having sex the next time we met up. In the last case it was 2 days later.

I always thought that was funny, you won’t fuck me on sunday(but blow me)but it’s ok to fuck me a couple days later because it’s technically not the first date? Like what did you learn in the 2 days that it’s ok now? Is it because the stigma of first date sex? I’ve smashed girls on the first date but I thought that was funny. She’s a nice girl, I’ll see where this goes.

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