What exactly is the end game for red-pillers,mgtow, mra, etc?

social_mule · 2021-11-14T00:10:10+00:00

I can't speak for anyone else but my endgame is to retire and move overseas within the next 5-10 years.

Teflon08191 · 2021-11-14T00:40:59+00:00

Here's a concept about men that women will find to be completely foreign:

Men will still fuck women that they hate.

Understand that, and it'll start to make more sense.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2021-11-13T23:47:54+00:00

I guess it all depends who you ask really, The Red Pill is designed for people to have different end games and outcomes for themselves provided they actually apply it right. If you're operating under the impression that they all hate women then that's obviously going to effect your view, if you've met dudes like that I get it, but I can't say that's the majority's view of women.

I'd consider myself Red Pill, but I don't think of myself as above women, certainly don't have any reason to hate them, but of course you're going to get some crazies who come in and ruin the whole community with their women hating.

My end game? Become the best man I can be, i want to make big money, i wanna get the most jacked physique, and as egotistical as it sounds, I wanna become the guy who women want to be with and the guy men want to be, and I fully believe that's exactly what I'll become because of my work ethic, discipline and drive to get what i want. Becoming the best version of yourself is my personal opinion of what The Red Pill is about, but of course my opinion will be different to someone else who may have a different end goal.

5x_the_Charm · 2021-11-14T00:12:40+00:00

I guess I'm technically redpill to many here because I agree with their view of the modern dating market and how the world works today in a general sense. I don't hate women at all. My girlfriend is amazing, I have several female friends and they all are pretty different from the typical people (I can't even say women because a lot of the bluepilled men are pretty terrible too) I deal with online.

As far as solutions I feel like this is where TRP doesn't talk very much about it. Seems to be divided between those who want micro change (i.e. getting and keeping a girlfriend/wife) v. macro change (which seems to range from just simple acknowledgment that it's difficult out there for men right now to wanting more representation for men in society when it comes to dating to going full traditionalist and wanting things to go back to the way they were in the 1930s-50s).

vanillapopsicle · 2021-11-14T06:50:04+00:00

There is no endgame. We’ll just continue this trend of a highly bifurcated dating society.

The problem many of the redpillers or MRAs make is getting bitter instead of just stop caring. So they’re angry, but still men, so still try to smash women they meet.

2021-11-14T09:38:47+00:00

TRP at its core is simply a praxeology concerning gender dynamics. It's not an ideology, not a philosophy, and it's not a moral judgement of what should or shouldn't be. It's simply stating that water is wet, and encouraging you to internalise it. But beyond that, it's up to the individual how to apply what is essentially a theoretical framework based on men's shared experiences within themselves and with the opposite sex.

MGTOW is based on the same core fundamentals, but with a different application. It's the specific application of RP that sets MGTOW apart (no marriage, no cohabitation, no children). You can be RP without being MGTOW, but you probably won't be MGTOW without also being RP.

MRA is a different matter, and doesn't have anything to do with RP theory/praxeology. It's a political movement for men's rights, and as such it is also a philosophy making moral judgements on right and wrong, fair and unfair. There's a stated end game there as well, which would then be "equal legal/social rights for men and women"...or something to that effect.

For RP there is no stated "end game", but I think it's fair to say that mental/emotional autonomy is an ideal - for both RP and its cousin MGTOW. But again, for what purpose is up to the individual.

CFinCanada · 2021-11-14T16:29:27+00:00

The end game of red pill man is mgtow. They do not end up with a woman, they end up alone paying for the occasional romp with an escort or sugar baby.

They also need not be alone as they have their brotherhood of fellow woman-haters they can grow old with, each telling each other how right they all are until the day they die.

jayval90 · 2021-11-14T00:01:22+00:00

The end game IMO is to stop the gaslighting of young men and forge relationships based on reality. Restore men with their sense of self-worth that feminism and and all sorts of other societal pressures have stripped away. Allow women to measure themselves based on feminine attributes instead of competing directly with men on masculine attributes.

Honesty, really.

cole879 · 2021-11-14T01:10:22+00:00

I can only speak for myself, I’m still kinda young, so idk if I’ll ever manage to get a girlfriend. My reasoning for participating in RedPill Groups is because they provide a safe space for me to release my anger without actually hurting people’s feelings IRL. Also, if I tried to talk about certain subjects in what would consider “normal” subreddits people would have literally no respect for me, since they would think I’m comparable to some of the mysoginistic pieces of shit that are also part of the movement.

MGTOWManofMystery · 2021-11-14T16:19:58+00:00

I've met several of these Feminist women in real life that all have the same scripture: Men bad, Women Good. Okay, cool. Yet a lot of them still actively try and pursue men, except this time repeating blatant misandrist red-pill rhetoric and like... all men rape, patriarchy, etc.

Stats are showing women are becoming more relationship-less, men are opting out of
seeking casual sex all together, people are becoming more and more lonely; like... there are no good results being produced here.

Maecyte · 2021-11-13T23:59:26+00:00

Worked in childcare 5 years. I don’t hate women. Appreciate them as equal but different. I wouldn’t consider myself mgtow, but the way my life is set i guess I am. Covid changed my life for the better but I’m broke. I don’t want to waste anyone’s time and dating is a waste of money. I just keep my head down and work. Hoping for the day I’ll be financially stable, eventually I will date. I ultimately look forward to marrying someone I can work well with.

throwaway1643 · 2021-11-14T00:18:30+00:00

The end game is being happy and fulfilled.

More specifically, it’s having a good job, financial independence, a close network of trusted friends and fulfilling sex and relationships with a partner on your terms.

The red pill helps men respect themselves, achieve fulfillment and avoid being taken advantage of. It does this by helping men understand the fundamental biological differences in behavior between men and women (especially related to dating, sex and relationships) that arises because of evolution and natural selection.

Drayenn · 2021-11-14T14:46:39+00:00

Tbh im not MGTOW or redpill, but MRA appeals more to me. To me, being MRA does not mean hating women, its mostly about talking about mens issues.

Of course the community overlaps a lot with anti feminism, probably a bit too much at times for my liking (theres definitely misogyny on r/mensright) but its undeniable the more radical feminists contribute to mens issues. Stories of MRA initiatives being shut down because, for example, "its sexist to open a mens domestic violence help center, it excludes women.. even though other centers are all women only" doesnt help... and much more.

I think all communities have their looneys/sexists and decent people. I wish they were modded better.

Playful_Art_5364 · 2021-11-14T01:09:49+00:00

There is no end game. It’s a nihilist “world is gonna end might as well enjoy the ride”.

bananadude19 · 2021-11-14T05:11:06+00:00

What bothers me most is that, redpill MGTOW is about men who have chosen to take a different path. People just think it’s this anti-women position because of what’s on YouTube. It’s not a movement. It’s a lifestyle.

And for me, it means focusing on my career, finances, and early retirement so I can travel. I have absolutely no Ill will towards women. But my dating life has equated to putting in tons of effort and showing loyalty, love, attention, and appreciation. And for it, I have nothing to show for it but being gaslit and being ghosted. I have no energy left to invest into anyone. My end game is just spending all my money and time on friends, family, and things that bring me happiness.

There are great women out there. I just don’t want to waste my time finding them.

meme_lords_unite · 2021-11-14T07:18:35+00:00

Enjoy the decline of western civilization.

OwnerAndMaster · 2021-11-14T01:42:02+00:00

😂

"Endgame"

Like this is a gameplan. Most people have the exact same endgame: napping in a dirt hole, or getting baked into fine dust. The only real difference is if you get there satisfied with life or regretting it

What you're (willingly) missing about the redpill is that these men are just protecting themselves - from divorce rape, from custody conflicts, from predatory alimony, from common law shenanigans, and from false DV / rape claims. They're putting up a barrier between their resources and women - and really, the family court system because that's the entity that steals resources from men on the behalf of women and the divorce lawyer industry + the state takes a healthy cut of child support. That's all it really is. There's no endgame to it because that barrier is necessary and was only torn down in the 70s thanks to 2nd wave feminism introducing no-fault divorce and ruining western families and societies worldwide

Women aren't supposed to have executive access to their lover's resources to begin with, unless he literally dies and leaves them to her. A wild concept in 2020+ but for 99% of recorded history, this was how the world works. Men are subconsciously yearning for unchallenged control of our lives again, so it's coming back in the most roundabout way possible

If women, via the family court system, are the biggest obstacles to controlling our own lives or finances, then it's logical to either remove the family court from your personal life (which is why the MGTOW creed is "no marriage no cohabitation") or remove unrelated women from your personal life to be extra safe, which is what hardline MGTOWs really do

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-11-14T02:59:55+00:00

First of all: Red Pillers, MGTOW, and MRA's are 3 separate things. each one by definition would have totally different end goals.

For MGTOW the endgame is independence. Each individual man is supposed to have his own set of goals guided by the spirit of free thought and self-actualization. Meaning that each man has his own motivations, his own goals, his very own end game. What we all have in common is that we all subscribe to personal ideals of Free Thought and personal growth as the best roads towards obtaining our own individual rather that "collective" ends. What this means in the real world is that we are highly individualistic and completely self motivated.

MGTOW do not need an external cause or ideology to follow, or to give meaning to our existence because we are the architects of our own meaning in life.

This is why we do not play well with others. We think for ourselves which makes us highly allergic to group-think and especially to ideologues, religious fundamentalists, hard line politics, or any form of NPC/Sheeple mentality.

Our script is not one of "Wahminz Bad, Masculine Lords Good." That is just too cultish and simplistic minded as fuck for our complex tastes. Ours is a "Women are bad - for me" mindset, to where women can be good for anything else is entirely a different issue.

We eschew women from our personal lives because we don't believe that any good can come of it. We are convinced that women in our personal lives is detrimental to our well being; and the cost of any physical of emotional pleasures, or momentary happiness, that they can bestow on us is just not worth the sustained costs. We do not believe women are worth being with. It's really that simple.

However this says nothing of what else we may believe of women outside of this very specific issue. Just because MGTOW do not believe women are worth being with does not mean we believe women are not worth working with. As a scientifically literate and business oriented man I would be a colossal idiot to think this way. Women are people and people all have their own dreams, motivations, personal agendas, drives, and fears. So in simple words we just see women as other people. We do not see women as any kind of potentially intimate companion or any of that sort of thing because we do not believe that intimacy with women - or woman - is either possible, or desirable, or sometimes both.

Yet a lot of them still actively try and pursue women, except this time repeating blatant misogynistic red-pill rhetoric and like... how do youexpect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that?

MGTOW do not chase women. Any self-proclaimed MGTOW who chases women is a fucking phony because they are acting in complete contradiction to what the moniker says about us. MGTOW do not chase women just as fish do not run on land. A MGTOW who still pursues women is as big of a fucking phony as someone pretending to be vegetarian for clout while still chasing after steak. Incels are notorious for pretending to be MGTOW just to talk to women without being called out for being losers; and PUAs are known to pester MGTOW to get us to buy into their thirsty skirt-chasing bullshit.

The Red Pill is no more misogynistic than your so called Women's Studies courses. In actual fact, the Red Pill is Women's Studies! But without the feminist narrative that polishes your history by throwing all of masculinity under the bus. The Red Pill is basically Women's Studies (The Study of Women) by men and for men.

Stats are showing men are becoming more sexless, woman are opting out of relationsips all together, people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here.

From our point of view that is a good thing. The less we personally and intimately have to do with women the better. Women opting out of relationships can only serve our own purpose here as we do not want relationships with women either - and if women agree here, then this will be the first time our two gender have ever agreed on anything.

You are in error for assuming that those who are alone must be lonely. This cannot be farther from the truth. Solitude is therapeutic. We wish it, we welcome it, and we will not trade it for anything - not even for sex. We are now awake and aware of the true cost of doing intimate business with women; and thus we are opting out of that entire scam. We are backing out, we're done, and moving on.

lestratege · 2021-11-14T03:28:25+00:00

It's not about man good woman bad. The moral angle is really annoying.

It's about recognizing the odds of winning in a game. For men it's the lottery. So yes some do win, but a large part doesn't.

And the legal and social framework doesn't even acknowledge the situation let alone offer any solution.

So the end game is for the work horses of society to stop being the slaves since they don't get any benefits from it.

As for those who do profit from the situation, the least they can do is recognize the situation and stop denying that there isn't any problem and it's men's fault, etc.

Basically, those who profit reproduce the same liberal discourse that millionaires have with the poor: oh? You are poor? Well pull yourself with your bootstraps you lazy ass. And stop being creepy.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-11-14T00:09:38+00:00

Regain control, probably.

skunkbear444 · 2021-11-14T00:46:17+00:00

More video games, more sports or outdoor activities, more hobbies, more pay for play at a later age. Get laid when you can inbetween.

No_Exercise_8670 · 2021-11-14T05:46:59+00:00

End game is to stop pursuing women and leave single life as good as possible. Simple as that.

ToughAnswers · 2021-11-13T23:56:03+00:00

Not sure what you mean by "endgame" I just simply won't commit

there are no good results being produced here.

Being produced by what exactly

parahacker · 2021-11-14T02:43:48+00:00

Your mistake here is putting cause and effect here in the wrong order.

Redpill didn't cause this, it's because of this.

TZ879 · 2021-11-14T06:38:54+00:00

I've met several of these men in real life that all have the same scripture: Woman bad, Men Good.

I've met hundreds of feminists who preach that men are evil, and women are saints. Both are incorrect.

Yet a lot of them still actively try and pursue women

The majority of human beings pursue people for procreation, LTR, and marriage. Gender has nothing to do with it.

except this time repeating blatant misogynistic red-pill rhetoric and like...

You do not give any examples, so I do not know to what you are referring.

how do you expect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that?

Cannot address or answer these "questions" without examples of what is being said.

Stats are showing men are becoming more sexless

Please do not pretend to care about men, when it is obvious that you do not.

woman are opting out of relationsips all together

Women are making a choice. Isn't feminism about choice?

people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here.

Not necessarily. Some people want to be alone. Other people can decide if they want companionship or they would rather be alone.

DeJuanBallard · 2021-11-14T06:01:25+00:00

For you to stop lumping them together and actually listen.

2021-11-14T01:40:37+00:00

First anyone that says "women bad, men good" is obviously delusional based on their own experiences, women and men both have members that are selfish self serving assholes. These guys only have their own experiences to base their lives on, I've met women that have had the same view about men. I even had this view about women based on girls I dated and slept with until I actually met one who actual had some level of concern about my existence.

The problem is they have no end goal, they are just bitter, frustrated and trapped in a life that expects them to partner up, and a life where they feel lonely, but also can't live up to the ridiculous competition a man faces, so they vent, villainize women etc as they feel like villainized outcasts themselves. This doesn't help them with women, but can you tell me what does? Should they change every moment and interest of their life and free time to appeal to a woman in hopes one day a decade down the line they will get a moment with one? Or should they live alone for eternity "going their own way" and doing what they want? I would say both are pretty freaking depressing and awful longterm on mental health, wouldn't you?

Women aren't perfect but dating and sex seems to give them quite a break compared to men, nobody expects them to take amazing online dating pictures, heck most of them put on a bra as a "top" take a picture in some dingy bathroom, list all their expectations in their bio, and call it day, meanwhile they are expecting an amazing outstanding profile picture that makes us stand out, you to be entertaining and "not boring", not to play any video games, the list goes on and on. And you can't appeal to every girl, some girls actually LIKE video games nowadays how can you win really? Your trying to appeal to every girl wasting ridiculous amounts of time hoping one of them accepts you and you don't even know if you like any of them tbh.

The amount of pressure and isolation the absolute bottom tier men of society are under is so insane we can't even imagine it. Some can handle this and not be bitter, some can't handle it and start to be bitter and aggressive, and some go nuts and do some crazy crap like you know who. Something needs to be done, but I'm unsure how to fix the issue, I'm just explaining why they are like that, not because "they are men" like some people like to think but because they are facing a serious issue.

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hydro908 · 2021-11-14T00:09:59+00:00

Wait for a girl worth having a family with , very rare in USA now

Kyonkanno · 2021-11-14T03:54:45+00:00

I think you're conflating MRA with TRP and MGTOW. Not every movement in favour of men's interests is the same.

MRA (Males rights activists): We're in favour of fighting for men's issues. Like the fact that the vast majority of encarcerated people are men, most dangerous jobs are held by men, etc. acknowledging these issues in no way belittle women's issues but since MRA are focused on men's issues they are automatically accused of hating women. An MRA is not necessarily a TRP or a MGTOW.

TRP (The Red Pill): Is a movement that points out the differences in strategies for mating between males and females. This in turn concludes that men have shorter end of the stick while courting women at least until they make something of themselves (mostly stable finances). And will often recommend strategies to minimize the shortcomings of being a man in the dating market.

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way): Concludes that female companionship is not necessary to live a full life and that the "cons" of dealing with a woman do not exceed the "pros" of having them in their lives. Therefore, they conclude that they don't want women in their lifes in a permanent way.

So getting the differences aside, let's tackle your question. What is the endgame.

MRA: Having a society which does not discriminate based on your reproductive organs. The goal is not dissimilar to that of the original feminists.

TRP: Implementing strategies for men to try to balance the imbalance of power that women have over men in the dating market.

MGTOW: They just want to be left alone.

mgtowjerk · 2021-11-14T03:30:26+00:00

Weird...

Not one of the philosophies mentioned say 'women bad' or 'men good' (some individuals may)

MRA. Advocating for issues that affect males, entirely independent of female

Red-pill. Want the best females in their lives

Mgtow. Want the best for themselves regardless/with/without females

Lots of info on each easily available, go read up, I implore you to truly understand the perspective of each.

All the best!

jordan_form · 2021-11-13T23:56:55+00:00

the end game is the same thing that many women had. they got married, had kids, their husbands fucked the secretary.

now it is men's turn. our wives are the ones that are fucking.

acceptance of that is true equality.

RDelbson · 2021-11-14T03:32:39+00:00

I've met several of these men in real life

How do you know? Men who engage in these philosophies do not advertise it. Of the rare minority that do, I say they are not an accurate representation of the group as a whole.

Stats are showing men are becoming more sexless, woman are opting out of relationsips all together, people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here.

I agree, I just think women are the problem, by and large.

Physical-Pie748 · 2021-11-14T14:43:40+00:00

endgame. its just staying single, pump and dump having a rotation, getting money, having hobbies. nothing else. no family/no kids. that should be the end game for these type of men.

JohnPettimore · 2021-11-14T14:51:27+00:00

That’s not the script. Straw man.

PaidByPutinBot123 · 2021-11-14T15:53:54+00:00

1) Mgtow/TRP reacted to changes in women (feminism) first.

2) They both say the same thing "Marriage sucks, society is dying, enjoy the decline"

3) Learn to be happy solo, and if you want to get laid sometimes, go for it.

dgblair95 · 2021-11-14T16:24:05+00:00

There are plenty of women who lack self respect.

Many women have had the misfortune of growing up with a fuckwit mother who’s husband beats the shit out of her only for her to turn to her daughter and say “it’s okay sweety. Your father is just having a bad day. This is normal behavior. He loves us. He’s just one of those goofy males that can’t express his emotions in a healthy way. One day you’ll find a man and you’ll understand.”

And so further continuing the belief that “that’s just what men do”

StacksFifthAve · 2021-11-14T22:48:14+00:00

There is no end game for TRP outside of what it’s doing now. Understand the climate, play your part to your own success and live your life.

Whisper · 2021-11-15T00:14:33+00:00

blah blah scripture: Woman bad, Men Good blah blah blatant misogynistic blah blah expect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that?

2013 called, and it wants its arguments back.

By now, even TRP's most fervent haters have admitted that it works, and are focusing on criticizing it on moral grounds. You are a throwback to a bygone era, here.

Stats are showing men are becoming more sexless, woman are opting out of relationships all together, people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here.

I'd like to see those stats... on timeline. This would help us characterize whether they are an effect of TRP... or a cause of it.

TRP certainly does have an end game, especially since some of its thought leaders are now in their 40s and 50s, and most of the rest are in their 30s, all living their best lives. So using TRP does not look like "going to nightclubs and college parties and picking up sorority girls" for the whole of a man's life.

But this is an end game for the individual, and you are complaining about "society" going down the tubes. TRP is not in the "fixing-society" game. For us to get into that game, "society" would first have to admit it needed fixing, then have to ask us to do so, then provide an incentive.

Trying to help a "society" that doesn't think it needs saving is like trying to help a drug addict who hasn't admitted to himself he has a problem. It's impossible.

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2021-11-15T00:27:14+00:00

At this point just focusing on myself. I have no interest in a society that demands, to quote Neil Peart, "conform, or be cast out" and then salutes the biggest conformists of all as "alphas." I'm sick and tired of made to feel like I have to apologize for being an introvert, or a lone wolf type, or not giving a shit about being a leader or a follower and just wanting to do my own thing, etc.

Chunka23 · 2021-11-14T00:49:02+00:00

The end goal is whatever they want it to be. Red pill is the truth regardless if you like it or not.

The truth may turn you into a woman hater which isn’t good but for most they adapt and fulfill their life goals.

GoWest7 · 2021-11-13T23:47:29+00:00

Seems to me, end game is dying alone without wife or kids (or, another wife and more kids). Driving sex trade, porn, lots of short term relationships, at best several LTRs, etc.

Jakes1967 · 2021-11-13T23:41:48+00:00

...woman are opting out of relationsips all together...

Are these the same women who complain about; "No good men..."?

When I read articles like this:

https://verilymag.com/.amp/2020/06/consider-this-experiencing-loneliness-as-a-single-woman

https://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/confidence/can-women-admit-to-the-loneliness-of-being-single

...people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here.

People who prioritise marriage, usually marry. It's that simple.

ToughAnswers · 2021-11-14T00:50:56+00:00

The end game is literally dying alone.

tonyghow · 2021-11-14T01:45:29+00:00

For a blue-pill guy turned red, the end-game would be:

Making your own decisions
Keeping your own money
Keeping more of your time
Honing your craft
Improving your health
Traveling more.
Taking care of your kids. (if you had any with a woman who left because she got bored and wanted 6'2" Chad from sales.)
Not being at the whim of a woman who wants to reshape your identity.
Not being a performance monkey just to get pussy.

RP is the self-improvement aisle of modern relationships for men. No one teaches men how to avoid the pitfalls of relationships with women. Men learn that by flailing around and simping. Male attention is fuel for women. RP teaches men to use that fuel more wisely.

The only argument women have against RP/mgtow is "you'll die alone" and not having someone to wipe your ass when you get old. But finding a modern young woman who unconditionally cares about a man is a thing of the past. That's no longer a selling point. It's always about what he can provide for her and how he makes her feel. Never the other way around. Plus a man can have companionship with his friends, family, and short term love affairs. *And* he save his money more wisely to secure a more comfortable retirement, since he doesn't have to use it all up to impress women.

how do you expect any self-respecting woman to be okay with that.

The whole point of RP is for men to conduct themselves in such a way that women have to be ok with *their* way of life. Not the other way around. Your statement exudes the entitlement women have that the man must always impress the woman.

there are no good results being produced here.

RP is the equivalent of women saying "I don't need no man". It was bound to happen. Women are getting good results being career focused, rising the ranks into soft-skill management, making more money, and postponing children until it's almost too late, even using sperm donors. Men who switch to RP are also getting good results by my points listed above.

Slowly men are realizing that it's a negative sum game to focus so much on women. Women are nice to interact with in moderation as a small slice of life. The focus is the problem.

However, simping and thirst hormones are hard drugs to quit. So RP will remain a minority forever, IMO. It's easier for a woman to be a man-hating feminist than it is for a man to go fully his own way because men will always be tempted by the promise of consistent sex.

SgllsTaklnDux · 2021-11-14T00:16:09+00:00

Idk, MRA doesn't exactly have to do with women. I might qualify in that. End game? Wellness? Self-actualization? Justice and dignity? Something like that.

ilovepetya · 2021-11-14T03:36:34+00:00

I've met several of these men in real life that all have the same scripture: Woman bad, Men Good

So exactly the opposite of what most women believe? So what? Get over it.

Stats are showing men are becoming more sexless, woman are opting out of relationsips all together, people are becoming more and more lonely like... there are no good results being produced here

Yeah, sorry to break it to you, but there aren't enough redpillers blackpillers etc. to make a difference in these things, if they are even true.

Nothing99461 · 2021-11-14T03:46:49+00:00

How are you defining "misogynist red-pill rhetoric"?

I suspect you are defining it as "words I don't like".

LeaveThisPlanet · 2021-11-14T12:18:49+00:00

TPR men will die and rot alone and this what they deserve. 😊 Simple as that.

Sagittarius_AAA · 2021-11-14T00:39:00+00:00

Uh? You know men are not like that by choice right? You make it sound like men can just turn it on or off at the flip of a switch. For me it's a reaction to satan-spawn feminists. It rubs off on other people. Hate begets hate.

_HEDONISM_BOT · 2021-11-14T02:45:29+00:00

“There are no good results being produced here”.

“Good” results for who, exactly?

And why does it matter. And remind us again why your penis should be the center of our universe,again???

And mansplain for us again (some more) why we definitely need to give a shit

rurunoa · 2021-11-14T07:49:53+00:00

the endgame is hiring a maid and pretend its your wife

comradepee · 2021-11-13T23:51:33+00:00

Suicide. Not that I'm hoping for it of course but that's usually what happens if you read their subs. The lines of Kevin Samuels and Tommy Saytomayor aren't helping these guys, they're literally killing them.

tropicsGold · 2021-11-14T04:00:40+00:00

Red Pill is not about women bad, men good. Not even close. Skip the Reddit comments, read The Rational Male to see what TRP is all about.

While women are not devils they are not angels either, they are human just like men. TRP is about seeing through society’s tendency to idealize women. Women are sugar and spice. Angels. TRP is about understanding women as they are in reality.

There are guys out there who desperately trying to draw the interest of a woman, or to rekindle their sex lives with their wives. Society says that these sweet angel women just want sweet loving guys who respect women, treat them like queens, listen to their troubles, offer support, cry with them, and a whole list of bs. Husbands are taught to help with chores, date nights with flowers, and a whole bunch of stuff that does not work at all.

Women don’t want these things and they don’t work. Men need to hear the truth. That is what TRP offers.

sernamedeleted · 2021-11-14T05:18:15+00:00

Bigots are bigots because they are filled eith hate and blinded by emotional reactions to incomplete, biased, or completely false data. They have no rational purpose or goal to their behavior. The hatred is an end unto itself. This is true of misogynists, racists, mysandrists, homophobes, classists, etc.

Peptocoptr · 2021-11-14T02:51:33+00:00

Please don't put MRAs in the same boat as MGTOW/TRP. People in the latter tend to also consider themselves as part of the former, but any self respecting MRA knows that MGTOW and TRP are cults ran by pathetic weasels.

reeko12c · 2021-11-14T03:17:22+00:00

The red pill does not prescribe an endgame. It simply describes human action. How they use it varies from person to person. Some will use it to manipulate women into sex, others will use it to fix relationship dynamics, others use it to undo the damage of feminism (or fight feminism), others will use it to promote family structures and religion to repair the social fabric of society, others will self-improve in hopes for a hedonistic lifestyle, others will learn it to protect themselves, and others simply don't care about the endgame and accept human nature for what it is and just fall into the nihilistic black pill. Every red-piller (I've come across) all have different goals, hopes, and dreams.

People who critique the red-pill often never understand it themselves.

_-CHUBUT-_ · 2021-11-14T02:07:38+00:00

What you're saying isn't a by-product of TRP. It's the final result of feminism (mysandry). TRP is men's response to feminism.

AlienFix · 2021-11-14T04:53:11+00:00

Casual relationships, nothing too serious. Men have been practicing this for decades. Women are normally the ones that persue a serious relationship.

Master-Edward-3 · 2021-11-14T03:14:59+00:00

Perhaps to figure the end game one must figure out the begin game. What is leading men to these groups if the mentality wasn’t achieved innately? What was or is the catalyst? And go from there to prevent it or minimize the conclusion. Men are not usually born hating on women however I’ve heard of the theoretical reverse as part truth although anecdotal in another forum..

On another note in regards to the term misogyny… I’ve rarely if I have, even read or heard anything misogynistic about these groups upon listening to what they’ve had to say. It would almost seem as if anything that isn’t blue pill or pro woman is default misogynistic. If the case.. one could say the same for the woman groups that are not pro men as misandrist.

If you peek around Reddit there are plenty borderline gross anti-men subs here that go on un-deleted unchallenged and unmoderated in a way that keeps hurtful speech and language within the conversation in regards to men (idk is it because of that women are wonderful social phenomena going on time and again). But maybe it’s because it’s just men and they ought to be able to love hearing verbal abuse?? Who knows.

Yet if you interviewed these camps they’d simply gaslight and deny ever being misandrist after just talking about crucifying men’s scrotums or painting the ocean red with men’s blood 🩸 and the like. Should one bring that up your then labeled guess what?……Misogynist due to not being ok with women insulting men openly. Then gaslit into the notion that misandry is no big deal or next to non existent in the world.

To me and my observations thus far feminine evil goes unchecked so as not to be appearing misogynistic.

Routine_Midnight_363 · 2021-11-14T13:48:20+00:00

Rape.

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Sultmaker_9000 · 2021-11-14T00:51:58+00:00

Same reason as Japan, red pill awareness is like 2% of men and barely as statistic.

HedgeRunner · 2021-11-14T01:15:46+00:00

Enjoy life.

Note I'm guessing since I'm neither.

What exactly is the end game for red-pillers,mgtow, mra, etc?

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Title	What exactly is the end game for red-pillers,mgtow, mra, etc?
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Date	November 13, 2021 11:28 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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