Society has failed (Men).

razormachine · 2022-01-08T11:18:56+00:00

Actually I feel quite fucking awesome in this new world.

Social pressure and shaming do not really mean anything. "Real men" is kind of like "three guys enter a bar"... it's just an intro for a joke.

I can just care about myself and animals, which I like more then humans.

Since I'm not leaving behind any kids there is no point in worrying about making the world a better place or anything like that.

I only have to earn for myself I can work less and enjoy more, currently making plans for trip to Egypt. I really want to see those pyramids in person.

You only get fucked if you decide to play a game when rules are against you. Just like going to casino... just don't.

d00kie_shoe · 2022-01-07T20:17:34+00:00

Men failed men. You let society walk all over you. We're 50% of the population get off your ass and do shit, no one is coming to save us.

DarkSp3ctre · 2022-01-07T21:03:35+00:00

To be frank, unless you’re part of the extremely wealthy, society has failed everyone. Capitalism only benefits the wealthy.

TrueStorms · 2022-01-08T15:54:04+00:00

Do you know how men react when women are honest up front?

SirRideout · 2022-01-08T18:16:53+00:00

I think you have a very specific view on who “men” are. By the age of 29 around 50% of America men have been married. Obviously these aren’t all good marriages but at least 50% of guys sealed the deal lol I understand that specifically you and men in these communities have had horrible experiences dating, but to claim that it is the standard for all men is just not true.

And this is coming from a 5’6’’ dude lol

Slipthe · 2022-01-07T19:18:21+00:00

IF the predominant criteria for mate selection is superficially based (height/physical genetics/etc), maybe try not to humiliate men more than necessary and be honest UPFRONT.

So a woman saying "I'm not into you" is MORE humiliating than "I think you're too short, fat, and ugly"?

If they are immutable characteristics what how does it benefit the guy to know 1000 women think he's ugly? Is it so he can use it as a reason to give up on his goal?

Do you know 50 year old virgin men who can't find a woman? Because I haven't met any. I've met middle aged bachelors who dated when they were younger and never committed.

death_by_1000_cats · 2022-01-07T19:27:59+00:00

IF the predominant criteria for mate selection is superficially based (height/physical genetics/etc), maybe try not to humiliate men more than necessary and be honest UPFRONT.

What exactly do you mean by this? That women should approach unattractive men and tell them they're not attracted to them?

sarkington · 2022-01-07T19:25:39+00:00

Men are selectors

They select for hot, transactional, and easy

_HEDONISM_BOT · 2022-01-07T21:25:14+00:00

How are we supposed to “prepare men”, when men literally can’t handle any criticism or honesty from women?

Women on PPD are downvoted to hell and most of us just lurk for shits and giggles but honestly?

Whenever a woman is HONEST about her preferences for a man, she’s downvoted to hell. Whenever women tell PPD men that we are attracted to tall, hot, rich, fit men with full heads of (nonreceding) hair, we are downvoted to hell. We receive hate mail, abuse, vitriol and “Reddit cares” messages.

How about we start by telling men to grow thick skin and take criticism without devolving into a rage-fueled trollfest??

Men can’t handle the truth. Maybe they don’t deserve it.

themostgianthorse · 2022-01-07T19:29:08+00:00

Almost every time I see “society” in the title I think to myself “oh. It’s gonna be another victim puke.”

You didn’t disappoint.

Women are the selectors. Yehp! Is this news? If you want to get selected more, be better. Or! Don’t give a shit. Ironically, this approach works too. The real answer is a mix of being better and being outcome independent.

I understand that “society” has told you that women are the more empathetic sex. Well, that is true if you are a child or a puppy dog. It is not true if you are a man who a woman is (or wants to be) sexually attracted to.

So options are do the work and be better or you and I can go find Mister/Ms/them/zee/zer/zot society and bring it to trial.

What’s your bench max?

Yukbghhjj · 2022-01-07T19:37:57+00:00

I really don’t see all this”Women only select Chads who are tall and hot” stuff irl.

Suck-Less · 2022-01-07T19:45:54+00:00

Women are the selectors only in cultures where men are raised to have no standards with women beyond: she has a pussy and isn’t to obese. In cultures where men have standards, women approach men.

But there definitely is a laundry list of where the west has failed men, and boys specifically.

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Vtridolla · 2022-01-07T19:21:15+00:00

Well society as we know it was created by men, so if it failed men can’t even imagine how it failed everyone else.

Lunar_Compass · 2022-01-07T23:52:09+00:00

Stop lying about expectations of some fairytale happiness we’re lead to strive for by media and pop culture

It's not women who are directing films about middle aged poor clerks with sexy young wives. It's not women who are writing scripts for TV shows where nerdy unpopular guy wins Stacey at the end because he is nice. I'm pretty sure it's not women who are drawing manga where reincarnated loser from our world gathers a harem of hot chicks with animal ears.

Most of media creators are men, almost all media products are aimed at men and male consumers are notorious for hating anything created by women and for women. It's you guys are feeding themselves lies, living in your escapists bubble and despising everything that doesn't support your "based and red pilled" delusional fantasies. Wanna be prepared for real world? Then aknowledge that your favorite manga where thicc high school girls are fighting over bland NPC has nothing to do with the said world.

John_bonget · 2022-01-07T21:47:12+00:00

When will other men start to realize you don’t have to be Giga Chad to have successful romantic/sexual relationships with women?

Im far from the chad look. 6 foot, very skinny, long hair, and painted nails. It’s not about being some huge muscleman chad. I’ve found more success with women than ever before when I just embraced who I was and was confident in myself.

Get over your victimization mindset and work with what you have. I can almost certainly guarantee that most of these self victimizing men who say women are too harsh just have nothing going for them and don’t work on themselves at all.

nvkr_ · 2022-01-07T20:06:12+00:00

In most heterosexual encounters it is the man who makes the offer and the woman who decides to take it or not. But the man has to decide to make the offer. He selects women whom to offer himself to. How does that not make him a selector, too?

manfrom-nantucket · 2022-01-07T23:15:56+00:00

Perhaps a better approach is as men simply develop the view that no woman is really interested in you outside of being a candidate for resource strip mining. Women have motivations just like men and those motivations exist to largely serve her needs. Men simply need to stop operating under the assumption that women are selfless, altruistic and give two fucks about male happiness - they really don't. Understand that, and move on to other pursuits.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2022-01-07T20:49:46+00:00

Fuck off with the victimization, man the fuck up, get of out the house and go meet people and get laid. No one is humiliating you.

M_LaSalle · 2022-01-07T21:44:16+00:00

Society should be held accountable for all the lies

Do you have an actionable plan for doing this? perhaps we could genetically engineer a virus that would make all women beautiful and selectively kill all tall men. (which was the villain's plot in Casino Royale, David Niven / Peter Sellers version.

I myself have nearly completed my secret lair underneath a volcano on a tropical island and will soon start kidnaping beautiful women and brainwashing them into my robot love slaves using my neuronic positron device.

Perseus_the_Bold · 2022-01-07T19:22:15+00:00

You are making the severe mistake of assuming that women have a sense of Honor the way men do. And if you expect women to take accountability for their newfound power you will be just as severely disappointing because they will sooner tolerate a Dictator in their life than own up their responsibilities.

Society should be held accountable for all the lies and just tell men (average men at least) to expect nothing but toil to be there only salvation

Hi! Hello. MGTOW here: That is literally why we exist.

Stop lying about expectations of some fairytale happiness we’re lead to strive for by media and pop culture.

Figuring out the lie is part of a man's rite of passage. It is when you figure out the bullshit that you can truly count yourself as a man.

Treat men better by preparing them.

Um. No. We are not children that need to be "prepared" like cattle. Fuck that. The only respect that men with a sense of dignity are willing to accept is that society leave us the fuck alone so that we can make of our lives whatever the hell we wish to make of it.

Fit-Photograph1646 · 2022-01-07T20:24:24+00:00

It hasn't failed men. Your father's worldview of how society works failed you.

Millenials are probably the last batch of men who will be complaining about this issue. Gen Z are all about vanity. Have cousins in Brazil who are like 14 and they're walking around with tramp stamps it's literal garbage.

No one is gonna want to work in 20 years lol everyone just going to want to be a fitspo or IG model and demand universal basic income.

Current society failed the men who were left behind the trends, whose fathers came from distant lands, or are too old to understand dating apps, or perhaps never could rely on gov aid to get ahead in life out of pride.

Don't be so hard on yourself tbh just do what you can and gtfo this shit show while you still can. No one is out to get you, you didn't fail anyone. But society is simply a product of the times and this too shall pass.

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2022-01-07T22:55:42+00:00

A big problem comes from parents when they tell their kids that its so easy to find a wife/ girlfriend, buy a house, have kids etc.

If more parents set their sons straight from when their young and tell them the truth that life isnt all about butterflies and rainbows. That waiting for a long time, the right woman will come along. Stop talking bullshit.

Same can be said for girls. So many have a goddess complex also encouraged by their parents that they are entitled to a 10/10 man and not to settle for less

Ohms2North · 2022-01-07T23:48:36+00:00

We need another world war.

JacobMoogberg69 · 2022-01-07T21:22:37+00:00

It sounds to me like men just want to be taken care of by women. The roles have been completely reversed. Y'all just want to sit home, apply heel inserts up or hair plugs or whatever and wait for your high earning breadwinner wife to come home and bend you over, so you can go and make her a sandwich. You want women to make all the decisions. They are the selectors after all. All you can do is just parade around like a pageant and hope to get picked. Hope this role reversal works for you.

RRBeachFG2 · 2022-01-08T03:18:35+00:00

Women having honor isn’t possible, that a male trait.

John_Oakman · 2022-01-07T21:12:28+00:00

Nah, if anything society is too moral and honest. Most LVMs could be content with working for abstract goals such as religious fervour, nationalism, etc. Now there really isn't much of that, and social justice with all due respect doesn't have the same ability to inspire LVMs to make those kinds of selfless sacrifices.

wtknight · 2022-01-08T01:05:34+00:00

The average man can attract women. The average man is not sexless. Society has not failed men. It's just that below average men struggle quite a bit compared to the average men who do not struggle. Sure, average men don't get casual sex almost anytime they want like a very high value man does, but he doesn't struggle to have a girlfriend and to have sex with said girlfriend.

Lezonidas · 2022-01-08T02:34:56+00:00

You're living a shitty life because you only think about women all the time, it's easy, do your own stuff, things that make you happy and don't spend 1 second thinking how to be more attractive to them, think about how to be happier yourself. I'm tired of reading frustrated men in this subreddit that spend all their time crying and overthinking this.

Gaiamanuscript · 2022-01-08T01:19:26+00:00

Men choose to be the majority of criminals so no society didn’t fail you. You’re a failure yourself.

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-01-07T20:10:22+00:00

Society should be held accountable

Nope. Almost 100% Accountability lies with the individual. You are responsible for the outcomes you attain.

Treat men better by preparing them

This too assumes it’s society’s responsibility. Agreed society influences action(or inaction). It’s not responsible for it.

The basic tenets TRP helps to address this. By forcing most accountability, and thus control; onto the individual. To empower them to change.

Godspeed and good luck!

lkfb94 · 2022-01-07T23:52:19+00:00

Good to see this sort of sentiment from a female. Honour. Truth. Greater picture.

Power. Responsibility.

Please, proliferate your thoughts within the female world.

Be loud.

Advocate for family, community, rationality, care, and strength.

UnitedIntroduction48 · 2022-01-07T21:06:24+00:00

You only think this because you believe in trp bullcrap and don't use dating apps

PlagueDoctorD · 2022-01-07T20:26:23+00:00

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NoMarriageNoKids · 2022-01-07T23:58:52+00:00

That's what we're doing at r/Marriageisntworthit. We're educating and preparing men for what they can possibly look forward to if they actually do get married. And, you'll likely get divorced later and PAY. So, you pay going on, you pay while you're in, and you pay when you leave. Then, you pay while you're gone.

Zerofication · 2022-01-07T19:49:13+00:00

If men understand that good women are rare at all places in all times, then most of the bitching in the manosphere concerning how dating/marriage sucks for men would stop.

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Slipthe · 2022-01-07T19:17:06+00:00

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GaryOak37 · 2022-01-08T07:13:45+00:00

Cry some more :)

Beginning_Proof_2160 · 2022-01-08T10:49:18+00:00

men failed men

amorfarteehee · 2022-01-08T14:34:54+00:00

‘Models’ by Mark Manson is probably what you’re looking for to educate yourself. It’s true, the game has changed- so the fastest to adapt will win

machiavellian_king · 2022-01-08T15:30:14+00:00

One of the big reasons men dont have power is because we cant come together to lead our communities.

Anywhere, in any place where men come together, we hold power.

This holds true from business to criminal organizations.

The moment we allowed outside forces to disband us and isolate us, we lost.

Pretty much all "male spaces" have been invaded and compromised.

We are all just lone wolves now, doing our own thing. Most men would rather betray our group to win favour with women nowadays. Calling them "simps" and "whiteknight" does about as much damage as calling a known snitch a snitch.

All you can do is do your own thing and enjoy your life.

Not being the leaders of our communities anymore, has its benefits too. We dont hold power, which means we dont have responsibilities either. We dont have to look after women anymore. We no longer have to look after kids.

We can spend our whole lives doing anything we want without any obligations to our communities.

Learn to have fun with it.

Im 43 yo, never married, no kids, sleep with multiple women without committing to any and save and use all my money for myself.

I dont think there has ever been a time we could get away with being as selfish as today. No need to despair, have fun while it lasts.

TheGnosticCouncil · 2022-01-09T18:29:22+00:00

Society had failed everyone that isn’t a multi-national globalist. I have connected every imbalance in society to the multi-national globalists. They use news media, social media, chemicals in foods, education, and many more facets to administer complex social engineering and behavioral manipulation that makes us common folk depend on them. Not to mention that they publicly strive for population “stabilization” what better way to do that than to make everyone hate each other and lead non-reproductive lifestyles. What a complicated situation. It was supposed to be simple. God said to be fruitful and multiply. The globalists said no, too many people.

g0juice · 2022-01-07T23:37:26+00:00

“Women are selectors”

No

Women above men in the dating pool are selectors of men almost to them And below. Men above women in the dating pool are selectors of equal and below. It’s rough but also online dating pumping up women doesn’t help but that’s what happens when you get a bunch of weak men chasing after crumbs.

BadWrath · 2022-01-08T11:11:09+00:00

I think men have failed men. Religious text after religious text, cultural lore after cultural lore, have all warned of the perils of giving women power. I’m not “religious”, more spiritual, but with any literary understanding you can see that literally the first lesson in the Bible, Adam and Eve, basically plays out like “Adam is a man. Even is a woman. Adam was supposed to lead. Instead he followed a woman, Eve. Now we all die”. Like, I can’t think of an older, more bold and obvious warning to not give women the reins, than that. That and the fact that women literally start, maintain, and see into prosperity, nothing, and for all of human existence you can’t really point to a single fucking thing that negates that. Somehow we figure, “women need to be more in charge”. It’s like, what do you say to a society that dumb? “You get what you deserve” is what.

People will say I’m this, I’m that, whatever. The fact still remains. Men are the stewards of society. Men care about women and children, women, care about themselves and children. Men are motivated to work when they have a family. Work makes society turn. When women earn as much as the average man, hypergamy causes them to only be attracted to the top men. The top men don’t produce enough work to run society, and even if they could, having the other 99-90% of me be aimless problem-makers, just isn’t sustainable. Therefore, the average man divests from society on account of having no family/no purpose. Women, then, have bastard children by men who satisfy the “warrior” part of hypergamy since they can’t all satisfy the “rich prince” part of their hypergamy. These “warrior”-type men are typically terrible fathers, as they tend to be the most impulsive and less stable of men. Crime, lack of discipline, and other forms of dysfunction, surge as a result. Unmotivated by lack of family, the average man does nothing to stop the failing of society. Society fails.

Say what you want, but until we acknowledge this reality, society WILL CONTINUE TO FAIL. I promise you it will. You can fight it because it’s uncomfortable; I get it, it is, but it still is what it is. If women aren’t banned from the workplace, you will continue to see the bastardization of generations of children, the checking-out of society by men, and the failing of society. Women laugh at that until they realize average men are the reason for food, electric, roads, buildings, internet, law enforcement, aviation, freight delivery, clean water, waste removal and management, roads, boats, railways, automobiles, infrastructural maintenance, pest control, fire safety, etc etc. Hypergamy desires imbalance. A man’s fitness for a woman is determined by his greatness relative to her’s. When that gap doesn’t favor the average male, you have problems, and the ONLY way to have it favor the average male is to truncate the earning potential of the average woman, and the ONLY way to do that is for women to not be allowed to work. In literally every society in which the wage gap is closing, you’re seeing declining birthrates and increases in dysfunctions like depression and crime unless that state suppresses such things with tyrannical forms of intervention. “But women’s rights”. I get it. I really do. But would women rather have a functioning, warm, safe society to live in, or would they rather have a high-paying job in what is becoming a jungle of a society that will revoke that job anyway due to its failing?

Title	Society has failed (Men).
Author	Think_gawd
Upvotes	61
Comments	330
Date	January 7, 2022 7:06 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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