Is MGTOW the solution then?

Teflon08191 · 2023-02-15T19:05:08+00:00

It's a pretty good solution for men as individuals. It's a terrible solution for society in general.

The question is whether the latter deserves any consideration, or if we're too far gone for it to matter.

Round-Relative-7859 · 2023-02-15T18:10:34+00:00

I'd say MGTOW can easily become coping. However, I do wonder why often MGTOW are shut down and women then complain MTGOW men go to their forums.... ummm, maybe because you banned their own communities? Duh.

If you genuinely find a way to be happy and in peace with yourself, as countless men did in the past, then MGTOW can be a genuine path and philosophy.

However, if you go "your way" out of resentment and spite, be aware you are not taking that path voluntarily and just knowing your place and chances regarding women, then it rather is a way to compensate being disempowered and you are just fooling yourself.

FlaMan407 · 2023-02-15T20:12:17+00:00

I think most MGTOW guys in reality actually go their own way without any awareness of the online movement. We used to call them confirmed bachelors.

Vulture051 · 2023-02-15T17:44:49+00:00

Yes, if they actually do go their own way. Most don't.

Silver_Switch_3109 · 2023-02-15T17:46:44+00:00

I have only went MGTOW because I can’t be arsed to put effort into trying to find someone, courting them and then having to repeat if that fails which is the case for most people.

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-02-15T19:25:02+00:00

100%. I've been gradually adopting the MGTOW lifestyle over the last ten years. Learning to make peace with being alone and finding acceptance. Focusing on myself, hobbies and interests nowadays. No longer interested in dating and relationships nowadays. If I need a sexual fix I'll book an escort. Works for me. Happily single! 😎

BadSpanglish2 · 2023-02-15T19:15:34+00:00

Channeling your interest into something more productive for the world than chasing sex.

I think this sentiment doesn't appeal to a male RP psyche. According to the RP men work for status in order to get a better partner - not to improve society. Why would a perpetually single man care to improve a society they have no stake in.

More than likely RP men will work to simply get richer, at best without consideration of others, at worst at the expense of others; avoiding tax and generally being libertarian in the extreme - as all the RP bloggers seem to come across.

king_kriolu · 2023-02-15T20:08:47+00:00

What will happen is men who live mediocre lives with American money will save up and invest and move to a more traditional place, and start life new over there. I.E. the phenomenon we see with the "passport bros". Men simply won't go entirely with out sex unless the are mentally ill or disabled, some will do heinous things and I hope they get stopped before they attempt it or decide to leave the country and find another dating pool of women better suited for them. Best option is just going to a better place with better opportunities

Quiet-Lie-219 · 2023-02-16T08:30:33+00:00

It may not be the answer to the gender wars but MGTOW is essentially what most women want incels to do.

LCOSPARELT1 · 2023-02-15T18:52:45+00:00

A large portion of men will not “go” their own way voluntarily, they will be “sent” their own way involuntarily. Now that women are financially independent, they can afford to be by themselves. An increasing number of women are single and that percentage continues to increase. I think we are looking at a future where about 50% of women never marry or cohabitate with a man. It appears women are better at being single than men, on average. Women are choosier than men and there just aren’t enough high value males to go around. There will be even fewer HVM in the future. So this will leave a lot of uncoupled women and the increasing singleness of women suggests they are less likely to settle than they used to be. More uncoupled women means more uncoupled men.

My suggestion to young men these days is to not expect to find long term female companionship. It isn’t going to happen for a lot of you. You can whine about it and be bitter, but that will get you nowhere. No one cares. That’s a sad reality, but reality nonetheless. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start building a better life. Join clubs, start hobbies, travel, get in physical shape, volunteer at charities, etc. Whatever interests you. But for about half of you, she isn’t coming.

Justinance- · 2023-02-15T18:34:11+00:00

If you're a guy and you're interested in keeping as much money as possible, I would say yes. Marriage and children basically are set up to serve the interests of women and to transfer wealth from men to women. This is even true in some circumstances where there is a long term relationship with no marriage and no children. If enough men don't marry, eventually they will raise taxes to pay for more entitlements which will mostly go to women.

I mean, it could all work out, but you're looking at about a 50/50 shot. And when I say 50/50 shot, that's how often a marriage doesn't end, that doesn't necessarily mean you're happy. My buddy yesterday gave his wife chocolates and a thoughtful hand written note for Valentine's Day. She took it and just walked away. Didn't even think about giving him any intimacy. She hardly cooks or cleans, despite being a stay at home mom, so add that to the list of things he has to do despite his 100% financial contribution. The stories here at work are wild. That's not even the worst one, just the latest one.

Safinated · 2023-02-15T17:26:14+00:00

AI/VR will work for those who don’t like people

People who like people will continue merrily dating and marrying and fucking up both

Wooo, life; it’s a rich pageant

Bubbly_Taro · 2023-02-15T17:37:58+00:00

None of the MGTOW subreddits and forums I have seen have "gone their own way"

It all was a massive trigger fest complaining about women.

Unless maximizing misery is your motivation this is not a solution.

LoganCaleSalad · 2023-02-15T20:34:47+00:00

"You need them, not the other way around." Accept that women & society in general runs off the ideas, labor, & creations of men. The internet was created & is maintained almost exclusively by men. Infrastructure from roads to bridges to electricity is done by men. Most electronic devices were invented & built by men. The homes you live in, the tables you eat at, the beds you sleep in & the cars you drive are designed & built by men. Men built the pyramids. Men built governments. Men built culture. Men built society as we know it.

Don't get it twisted women have made their contributions & I don't just mean by giving birth either. There's plenty of ways women have made their contributions but believe me if not for men searching for purpose, searching to matter, searching to have a family our society would probably still be stuck in the stone age.

So many women find us unremarkable cuz we aren't doing these things for you we're doing it for ourselves to keep things moving. Yet so many of you have absolutely zero idea how without us your lives wouldn't be what they are. If literally all men just walked away completely for one month the lot of you would finally understand everything we do for you that you take for granted. Without us there's no lights, no clean water, no internet, garbage would fill the streets, sewers & plumbing would back up cuz yup plumbing is another job done almost exclusively by men.

There are plenty women that thankfully understand this & show men the appreciation & respect we deserve but it's not enough. Yes if men would fully embrace MGTOW & walk away from a society that treats them as expendable shit would change but as we all know change happens at a glacial pace so don't expect any real change for another century or more. The time of these current modern mindsets won't last forever, they can't, society can't sustain itself under current conditions.

Mundane_Stop_3002 · 2023-02-15T19:27:40+00:00

r/MenAndFemales

No_Reflection_798 · 2023-02-15T22:33:44+00:00

MGTOW is the answer for a lot of men.

TikTok is the front lines of this battle, and based on what testimonials I have seen going back and forth there, a lot of men (and women) need to just walk away, and fill their lives with other things. This is because, in general, men are just plain done with the shenanigans, but women keep pushing the limit.

People say, "Get a hobby". That statement is reductive, but right on point. I have several hobbies, and my focus and interests change over time. I don't know a single woman that has any hobbies.

Speaking of TikTok, in one selfie from a woman, she said, "I was talking to this guy. He asked me what my hobbies were. I was like, 'Bitch, I spend an average of 18 hours a week on TikTok. I don't have any hobbies'." And, this was her admitting this and broadcasting it out to the world - as if she's proud of it, or thought it was funny.

Going this way is easy, and enjoyable. Just start being selfish. Go where you want to go, or don't go anywhere if you don't want to. Don't do something just because you think you should. Do only what you want to do, and work on getting rid of any guilt associated with that action.

No one cares about the collective "you". So, don't care about them in return. Good men in society is a macro example of them being in a lopsided relationship with a woman. They don't get back nearly as much as they put in.

Good men have a codependent relationship with women in particular, and society as a whole. So, as Michael Jordan says, "Stop it. Get some help."

Affinity4186 · 2023-02-15T23:29:02+00:00

Either MGTOW or Geomaxxing.

If the universe took away my passport and said I couldn't get another one I'd give up on women entirely.

Loose-Bet-3787 · 2023-02-15T17:21:32+00:00

The “gender war” only exist online

ArBui · 2023-02-16T12:11:46+00:00

MGTOW is just removing men from the supply pool that were failing to get any anyway, so this is just benefiting women really long-term at least in pure get-togethers.

If any of you caught the recent meme of the gym-girls trying to shame guys around them, I think that's a microcosm of what's to come at least to some degree and growing MGTOW will help this get here sooner. If you follow that attitude they have to it's conclusion, in the far future women will be the dominant class and men will be subservient goblins not allowed to look at or be near the queens, used to settle regional disputes with their corpses in trenches so fingernails aren't broken.

I don't think it's all women though, but societal trends are trends.

AceArguments · 2023-02-15T19:48:05+00:00

MGTOW seems to be a good solution for the poor but rich people will keep on keeping on with their million dollar weddings. I'm sure marriage at some point will just be a privilege for the rich and it'll be cohabitation for the lower class.

MarBitt · 2023-02-15T17:50:06+00:00

You call this a war? Sweet summer child.

Acrobatic-Clothes248 · 2023-02-15T22:50:44+00:00

Yes, but if you keep complaining about women all the time that's disingenious.

The problem is that the support system for men is fucking abysmal. And MGTOW... it seems it's gone to shit because their members behave like incels in denial.

You can tell men to "go touch grass", but as long as there are so many people who will lose respect for them the moment they, for example, show emotions, I can honestly understand why there is an increase of men quitting society.

MGTOW and the incel group are two of the very first attempts at creating safe spaces for men. Everyone knows by now they've gone to shit. I hope men can learn from this and learn to build more positive movements, but honestly I'm not expecting that anytime soon. That's because society can afford to discard groups of men who'd propose an alternative way to the current patriarchal system, even if it'd make life better for everyone.

jxjkskkk · 2023-02-15T18:55:19+00:00

I think MGTOW itself is rather disingenuous as it doesn't hit the mark on why men should disengage with womens' shenanigans. MGTOW tends to always talk about how they're leaving but all they do is complain and bitch about womens' behavior. If they really went their own way they would stop talking about them. I think a better view is to stop adjusting who you are and what you like based on womens' interests. If they dont like you for whatever reason then fuck em, they can find someone else, and you're gonna eventually find a woman who respects that if you're not disgusting and are true to yourself.

I don't necessarily identify with MGTOW because of that, but I've hit the point where I am completely and honestly ok with not dating (clearly I am straight so men aren't an option either LOL). My life would be just as fulfilling as it is now, and I can take them or leave them. So this gives me a lot of leverage in a relationship, because my life is no different if she's gone.

I think that deep down womens' worst fear is the complete and uncontrollable lack of attention from men, attention we give them is what empowers women to rule mens' lives, such as being scared of accusations, being gaslit, feeling pressured to pretend to be someone you're not, etc.

I don't subscribe to that societal norm whatsoever, I do whatever I want pretty much and if a woman likes that, she is welcome to spend time with me given she doesn't annoy the piss out of me or make me upset often. So either way I just do whatever I want basically. I don't give her the opportunity to take control of my life.

I've been like this for a minute now and I'm happier than I ever have been (personally speaking).

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-02-15T17:14:00+00:00

If dudes want to go their own way then fucking go. Just don’t sit around spending your whole time bitching and telling us that you have “Gone!” Like the damn MGTOW subs did.

prettymuchredpilled · 2023-02-15T22:58:19+00:00

The gender war seems to be no end in sight and no one want to lose in this war. I think one way to end it is to fix this lopsided market by reducing the demand.

In a civilized society there will always be a tension between the male imperative and the female imperative, since we're all animals with animalistic desires. This tension is healthy and necessary, but can get out of hand. Right now there's a particularly strong and sort of toxic tension on both sides but I wouldn't call it a "war" (except for those chronically online incel/femcel folks)

I don't think blaming females for their advantages in the market seems to be practical

Agreed, the problem lies with men, women, and society itself. Not just women.

you men are at the losing end in the bargaining table, you need them, not vice versa

Wrong. In civilized society, men and women need each other. Men make up the vast majority of construction workers, pilots, electricians, plumbers, police officers, soldiers, etc. Men do the jobs that society fundamentally needs to function at all, and women birth the babies and generally do the caretaking/service jobs. We're already starting to see society crumble since young men are leaving the workforce. You don't think this will affect women too?

So why not reducing your demand? Channelling your interest into something more productive for the world than chasing sex.

I would say foster an abundance mentality rather than reducing demand. Men will always strongly desire women due to biology, but most young men are fearful of showing interest in multiple women (outside of the internet where it's low effort). I do agree that men should have a purpose that transcends women.

consume less meat

No.

DzejSiDi · 2023-02-15T23:17:34+00:00

If you don't want to have family and children, MGTOW is a legit option to save yourself plenty of headache. People like this just need to be more social among themselves and they should be fine, we used to have bachelor's clubs where men gathered and did things together.

abaxeron · 2023-02-15T18:06:40+00:00

So why not reducing your demand?

It's illegal.

You cannot first force boys and men into the same daycare, schools, hospitals, workplaces, labor unions, colleges, and even military units as women, and then realistically expect them to never be affected, never simp, and always maintain their sense of personal boundaries and masculine dignity. It doesn't work like this.

gymbro718nyc2 · 2023-02-15T17:39:26+00:00

Lol, there is no war of the sexes. It's all in your head fed by a bunch of social and online brainwashing. Women are normal human beings like you and I and they are looking for some good fucking and love just like everyone else. You are ascribing some magical pussy powers to them that don't exist. Of getting some sex and owning a vagina solved all of their problems why are still so many women unhappy and kills themselves or lead miserable lives?

Stop living life with your head stuck up your ass. It's not that you lack power in dating, it's that you give women so much power in your own head.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-02-15T18:40:52+00:00

There's no gender war, for starters. Women not giving you what you want does not equate to a war.

But men going their own way, like actually going their own way, would be a good thing. Not having sex as the end all, be all of human existence and refocusing that time and energy on themselves, self improvement, and finding happiness would be fantastic. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case; they tend to become even angrier, bitter misogynists.

I have a few female friends who have sworn off dating and they're generally happy people, "I've taken up a new hobby!" and "check out this really cool book I found."

The couple guys I know who have sworn off dating spend most of their time posting about how awful women are.

TheHairyCooch · 2023-02-15T19:47:46+00:00

MGTOW isn’t about women. Red pill is all about women. MGTOW has very little to do with the women, there is a lot more to life then smashing or getting married.

M_LaSalle · 2023-02-15T20:26:12+00:00

If I understand it correctly, towing the MiG is what you do after you have decided that there is no solution. Migtow amounts to making the best of it rather than whining about it. Or making the best of it while you work on a better solution.

I saw a graph last night on the Fabius Maximus Twitter feed that came from the Washington Post/ It showed the percentage of men under thirty who eport having had no female sexual partners. Starting about 2008 that line shoots upwards. it was around 8% and now it's up around 30%. So I guess those guys are going their own way whether they like it or not. We'd best hope that towing the MiG is the solution, because it doesn't sound like they're finding a better one any time soon.

https://twitter.com/FabiusMaximus01/status/1625471983562502144

Looks like demand is getting reduced, or something.

Waratah888 · 2023-02-15T22:57:31+00:00

While generally agreeing with MGTOW direction I think the influencers are going about it all wrong. Instead of being 'over' women, they are obsessed by them. ( I get that it's driven by clicks).

Seriously, it's like a bunch of high school girl drama, " I'm never talking to you again!....never....I'm not even thinking about you...still. never talking to you again....look at me, I'm not thinking about you still... are you looking at me not thinking about you?!"

MGTOW need to focus on men's health, opportunities, futures, not obsessed with women.

johnnybayarea · 2023-02-16T01:08:45+00:00

Easy to say, hard to do, as it violates our core biological needs.

The real problem is the supposed top 10% of men taking more of the supply. Men with multiple partners, wives, divorces, body count, etc.

Or women, not finding it absolutely important to only have forever partner and choosing better. Women with body count, divorced, children out of wedlock, etc.

Fixing either of these supply/demand imbalances while likely very hard, would have actual impact on having more of the population in a relationship. Asking the non successful men to not add to the demand, just takes them out of the gene pool (some would argue this is the right design), which would not help their situations.

bodhasattva · 2023-02-16T02:34:04+00:00

mgtow/redpill is hilarious to me. Its like a balding guy who shaves his head. "i chose this! im in control!" (a.s.)

You didnt "walk away from women" if you never got any in the 1st place. So literally the world is unchanged by your decsion. No p*ssy then, no p*ssy now.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2023-02-16T05:17:10+00:00

Why not be a passport bro instead? Or find a nice girl who isn't as attractive?

whitehack · 2023-02-16T06:40:33+00:00

Yes and no.

MGTOW as far as simply focusing on your own goals, self development and health is fantastic.

But trying to block women completely out of your LIFE simply won't work.

Dion33333 · 2023-02-16T12:52:05+00:00

At this point i am comfortably single. I dont even have the urge to have a relationship anymore. Relationships are beneficial for women, not for men.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-02-16T13:46:21+00:00

1) Both need eachother but if you think men need women more than vice versa then god bless your heart

2) Asking men to not chase sex is like asking Lions, Sharks, and Bears to not hunt

Its like telling women to not have their periods

This is nature. We are animals at our most base state

Why is it that people thinking changing men’s biological imperative/urge is the key to fixing the problems of society when its literally been the opposite

Feminism has been trying to kill masculinity for decades and we are currently where we are as a society because of it

Do you not understand that men’s urge for sex is why society can be built and sustained?

Imagine a world of all men with no sexual desires. We would have been extinct by caveman times

Sex/supporting a family/passing on genes is why men get out of bed every morning to build skyscrapers, make roads, mine for coal, dig for oil and so on and so forth

If your suggestion is “men stop chasing sex” then get ready for the end of times

Sidenote: funny to me that when women choose to be single and stay away from average men, theres no uproar since they shouldnt be forced to date/fuck who they dont want which is perfectly fine but average men who choose to follow and go their own way calls for a change….but men need women more? ironic

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2023-02-16T15:48:23+00:00

Well MGTOW has been around for over a decade, so is it the solution or not

Ass-a-holic · 2023-02-19T19:09:59+00:00

I’d say so, I’ve been out of the dating game for a while and just use p4p when I feel the itch for intimacy

I just don’t see what modern western females can offer other than sex.

Maybe if I was higher smv, im probably a 5.5-6, I’d have a different opinion but even very overweight women aren’t very kind to me.

I could probably get myself to a 7 smv because of my natural looks but it’d take a large amount of work/effort and I’m lazy

Wiring-is-evil · 2023-03-07T15:15:52+00:00

Channel ourselves into something more productive in the world than chasing sex lol.

Men provide this to the world; Electricity Shelter Businesses Construction Plumbing Electronic devices Internet Clean water Showers Lawncare Vehicles Factories

So on and so on, you get my point. This is an uneven battle lol. What are women really.. needed for?

Making babies, which also requires a man.

Formerly cooking and cleaning, which men are capable of and do every day

Child rearing, once again something men can and will do..

So, I mean.. the only thing men really need (want) women for is, well, sex.

I'd say you can have that "advantage" as it's the only one that you have. Not sure if men are worried about this becoming uneven as we honestly don't have to depend on women for anything at all

Maybe women should start being tought skills when growing up, like the guys in my area are? Then you'll have more to bring to the table.

Me personally? I won't get into a relationship with a woman for a while for this reason and others. There's just nothing they can do for me that I can't do for myself. Companionship? What, of someone with an over inflated sense of self worth that brings nothing to the table except for added responsibility? Just not worth it for me.

Can't name a woman that's done more for me than I have for her, they've all literally just been boring fixtures in my life. No skills, no hobbies, no desire for it.

Now, men COULD and should stop thinking so much with their dicks. I'll agree with that. Guys, just jerk off. Don't give no skank ass skeezer a big head and fill her up with compliments just to get some. You're making these women feel like they bring even more to the table than men, which is just untrue.

northernlights190 · 2023-02-15T17:16:36+00:00

Because most people desire sex, and not just sex but also relationships and romantic companionship with a partner. If that’s not something you want or is worth it to you to search for, then don’t.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2023-02-15T18:05:18+00:00

Only if they actually go their own way instead of saying they did and letting women occupy the space in their head rent free

MiddleZealousideal89 · 2023-02-15T20:38:18+00:00

Honestly, for the guys that endlessly bitch about anything and women do, unless it involves their dicks in particular, yes, please. GYOW. I'll pack you sandwiches for the road.

14ers4days · 2023-02-15T18:34:57+00:00

MGTOW would be great if these men would actually go their own way, be happy, and stop bitching about women. Veganism would be great if these vegans would just eat their vegetables, be happy, and stop bitching about meat. But, you know...

WilliamWyattD · 2023-02-16T01:10:22+00:00

No. IMO women are not stupid, and at some level the bright ones realize that a broken SMP is no good for anyone, and possibly catastrophic for society.

But I think they see this as a game of chicken right now. In women's minds, even given the constraints of male nature, men can adapt their efforts and behavior better to women's modern needs. This doesn't mean men need to work harder or harder than women, just smarter. (Though to the extent that some men aren't matching women's life efforts, then yes, harder AND smarter.)

So there may come a time for talking about women's standards, changing culture so such standards aren't amplified, or whatever else that has to do with the women's end. But women aren't gonna budge for now, because in their minds men can and need to improve their offer. But instead of doing this, they are talking about what women should do differently so that men don't have to change or work harder.

When men have started to do the best they can, and matched women's efforts, then maybe there can be talk about compromises or fundamental social changes if the SMP seems broken. Until then, women feel like men just need to get their shit in order, and women opting out is the stick--the only thing--that will incentivize this change.

ginasaurus-rex · 2023-02-15T19:02:50+00:00

The fact that you refer to it as a war and speak in terms of "winning" and "losing" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you see the opposite gender as the enemy, then you will treat them as such, and thus they will be.

ar_menelos · 2023-02-15T23:24:11+00:00

No. Making a dating app that's not dogshit is the solution.

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Dear-Affect1903 · 2023-02-15T18:28:11+00:00

I think men going their own way truly is the best solution. Diverting their attention from women and dating to personal growth, career and hobbies.

KommandaKoopa · 2023-02-15T20:32:07+00:00

There would be a lot more simping for attention if a large portion of the male population eventually went MGTOW(assuming that this was done long enough).

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-02-15T22:48:32+00:00

The best thing you can do as a man is too work out, be social, diversify your hobbies, increase your wealth a d travel as much as you can. If you do this you will have no issues in dating whatsoever.

ThatGuyNicho · 2023-02-16T07:07:55+00:00

Channeling your interest into something more productive for the world than chasing sex

Such as?

MisogenesUSA · 2023-02-16T07:20:07+00:00

I can make my way through life with plates, easy. I can donate sperm to lesbians who want to have me as a God-father figure. Straight women will have a harder time than a high-value man will.

AreOut · 2023-02-16T08:54:37+00:00

dating women is tough, but the life of a man in general is tough, too bad these sissy generations of men raised by their allknowing mothers are everything but tough

Fuckoffeveryone120 · 2023-02-16T12:43:20+00:00

I dont understand this gender war,can anyone explain it to me?

RottingVillain666 · 2023-02-16T12:48:12+00:00

But men don’t chase sex? Like, most dudes i know have normal lives?

daisydaisydaisy12 · 2023-02-16T15:15:18+00:00

Yep. Bye felecia.

SchwiftedMetal · 2023-02-27T20:39:47+00:00

I disagree with men needing women and not vice versa. We all add something to the mix, and we don’t need to have kids. Women don’t need kids either but can still have them without guys, but then theyre on their own after that and with the widening pay gap between classes, there will still be many women that will struggle to support a career and their kid(s). So that just leaves a small group of women where you could potentially say they don’t need us and that somehow is bad for us. But then we’ll just go about living our lives and 🤷‍♂️.

Wiring-is-evil · 2023-03-07T14:17:26+00:00

Eh, I don't date women anymore. That's me going vegan. Porn? I'll watch it. I don't mind women having that advantage. Society can live without porn.

As far as the important stuff that men do? I don't think women could live without that. Car break down? Call a man. Roof caved in? Call a man. Lights went out? Call a man. House on fire? Call group of men. Someone trying to murder you? Mostly men that are going to show up.

Sure, there are female police officers. Ever seen one get tossed around like a ragdoll by a 250 pound gang member bc her taser wouldn't deploy? I have.

Call women for umm.. porn, blogs, cooking, and maybe to see their buttholes.

Anything else and you're calling a man.

Dulzothegreat · 2023-04-26T14:26:49+00:00

Females need sex (Hormonal connection) and want love (un/mutual conditional attention/protection) so they have just sex with one stand guys as males mainly need sex and want sex or a trade/craft unless influenced otherwise and the only influence worthy of expelling your sexual energy is true stress relief not just not being able to handle your own power or children so girls have sex with one stand mind aka true uneasily manipulated/trapped guys in hopes they get what they want aswell - check out my music to cure yourself from the poison that female hormones can be for a male if he interested in his masculine (frequency programming is real) subhanallah
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Pepe-Patea-Traseros · 2023-05-08T15:30:06+00:00

In short time terms, yes.

In long time term, no

Beginning_Mud_9349 · 2023-06-20T05:02:46+00:00

Yeah, i believe that! The gender war don’t will ends so Mgtow is the DEAL.

jimjam696969 · 2023-07-15T05:10:23+00:00

Passport bro is the solution for men. Women idk, you got to sort something out

Title	Is MGTOW the solution then?
Author	cholmanattom
Upvotes	85
Comments	241
Date	February 15, 2023 5:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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