Women don't know themselves or what they want

SexCrispies · 2025-07-25T16:53:28+00:00

Can you show that those are actually the same women who say the one thing and then do the other?

jamalzia · 2025-07-25T17:49:23+00:00

One type of woman says something, another type of woman does something else.

But instead of recognizing this, you act like women who complain about something like men should be more vulnerable are the same women who punish men for being vulnerable. Are there SOME women who demonstrate this performative contradiction? Yes, but they don't represent the group as a whole.

GKilat · 2025-07-25T17:39:09+00:00

Men complain about women and yet they continue to give women attention and crave for their attention.

Can we say men also don't know themselves or know what they want?

KayRay1994 · 2025-07-25T17:20:23+00:00

Ah yes, the elusive singular “women” - surely the issue isn’t that you’ve actively focused on one specific type of woman and based your whole viewpoint on that, of course not!

thinkB4WeSpeak · 2025-07-25T17:05:31+00:00

Idk if guys really know what they want most of the time either tbh. Ideally I'm pretty sure that's why people date around because everyone has bad and good things, you need to see which ones you're accepting of.

TheAvocadoSlayer · 2025-07-25T17:07:29+00:00

We get it, we are illogical, indecisive, overly emotional, and very shallow.

I don’t get what’s the point of these posts. Idk how we are even supposed to debate them when people clearly have their minds made up. Push back from women is just going to be met with the usual “you’re lying” or “stop virtue signaling!”

Edit: looking at the comments, yup, I was right.

Downtown_Cat_1745 · 2025-07-25T17:03:54+00:00

Infantilizing women is not going to bring you success with women

PullHisHairIDontCare · 2025-07-25T18:07:14+00:00

Life is not black and white, stop going from one extreme to the other like you found out some hidden knowledge.

OverInteractionR · 2025-07-25T17:05:54+00:00

This sub has turned into an incel paradise.

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2025-07-25T16:56:32+00:00

I’m just a stoopid woman who doesn’t know my own feelings blah blah blah

Women are overwhelmingly getting into relationships and eventually getting married. And just because one woman says she likes a certain thing doesn’t mean another woman is going to. I actually like sensitive guys who open up and aren’t toxic—my boyfriend is proof of that—but don’t take what I say and hold that over some other random chick who is attracted to drama and toxicity.

alwaysright0 · 2025-07-25T16:56:21+00:00

Have you ever considered that there's more than 1 woman?

attendquoi · 2025-07-25T17:54:28+00:00

This just sounds like you hang out with some trashy women.

concretecannonball · 2025-07-25T18:14:43+00:00

this sub is getting so boring lmao what are we debating here exactly? your incel opinion that’s not based in any fact?

Lemon_gecko · 2025-07-25T16:54:55+00:00

It's like....women....aren't monolith??? shocker.

LillthOfBabylon · 2025-07-25T17:34:18+00:00

The most perfect example of this are their rather performative declarations against "toxic masculinity" and claim to want sensitive men who don't need to be the biggest man in the room... And then falling for those same toxic guys they criticize while kinda feeling turned off by the ones they claimed to want

Guys claim they don’t want a slut, but get mad when women don’t sleep with them immediately.

They will advise men to be more vulnerable and open up instead of being "stoic", but get annoyed and say they're expected perform "emotional labor" and accuse the guy of "trauma dumping" on her if he does it outside prescribed parameters.

“How dare women expect a MIDDLE GROUND?!”

They will problematize age gap relationships for having a "daddy issue" component to it, but then try to rationalize dating tall, strong, high(er) status guys with the argument that they wanna feel small, protected and taken care of by their man

Guys here always want to rationalize that they don’t go after attractive vapid bitches, even though those are the main types they go after and talk about.

women will spend years in theraphy pondering what it is that they only attract "emotionally unavailable"

Imagine my shock! Men who wanna trauma dump on others refuse to go to therapy and wonder why no one likes them.

PullHisHairIDontCare · 2025-07-25T18:07:47+00:00

Life is not black and white, stop going from one extreme to the other like you found out some hidden knowledge. Everyone is different and wants different things in life you can't generalize all people into one group

Itsthethrowaway2 · 2025-07-25T18:35:31+00:00

Speak for yourself. I love a sensitive and vulnerable man, so I went and got myself a sensitive and vulnerable man lol. I think women want different things, we’re not all looking for the same traits. Some girls like something a little rougher around the edges, nothings wrong with that.

Also - I really hope you understand the difference between height gaps and age gaps. And I don’t even think most ‘age gap’ relationships between adults are a big deal.. but they’re not comparable to height differences.

Feeling_Ad_1034 · 2025-07-25T19:10:37+00:00

As much as this is true for a portion of women, it’s true for roughly the same portion of men.

Charming_Coffee_2166 · 2025-07-25T19:30:26+00:00

Maybe I don't know what I want but I certainly know what I don't want if you know what I mean...

something something obsolete

Oli_love90 · 2025-07-25T20:31:59+00:00

Specifically to point 4. Your lack of understanding of how women analyze themselves and their environments is so interesting to me. Lol. It’s just indicates how much guys “other”women when they don’t see them as human.

attendquoi · 2025-07-25T18:04:00+00:00

I know what I want. It's just not the men who bitch about women not knowing what they want lol

VisceralSardonic · 2025-07-25T18:36:29+00:00

You’re literally describing different women with different opinions and actions and trying to act like one is a hypocrite because the other one acts differently lol. And do you really think that women are never self-depricating? Jesus.

Superb-Foundations · 2025-07-25T20:14:43+00:00

Imagine how much better off the men in here would be if they realized that women are just normal individual people with their own individual likes and dislikes 😂

RahLyt · 2025-07-25T17:38:35+00:00

Men are the same to be honest.

Human beings barely know themselves.

Men are the exact same.

Women are being mostly honest but again it's exclusively from their POV.

They are in relationship they are not happy with (someone who's not that into them), they like the guy (or so they believe) the guy barely puts any effort (because there's not much emotions from his side, he couldn't care less) so they analyse the situation and come to the conclusion that what they need from the guy is more emotional closeness. And that's what they will preach and advice.

One thing RP got right is that women usually speak about the now on how they feel it's rarely ever abstract (separate from themselves), that's what confuses guys.

if you're already passive, too nice and you combine that with vulnerability yeah you're sabotaging yourself, Ill argue even if you're chad. The only way this could ever work was if you were a A list celebrity.

Women will give advice based on how casual sex sucks and you should be aiming for relationships anyway, while they are having casual sex themselves.

But they are not even lying, they just hate their own predicament.

They wish they could feel secure on their own relationship, but then when they finally find the security they were looking for, their coochie don't get wet, since it was not the "vulnerability" that was attractive in the first place.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2025-07-25T19:26:19+00:00

"Women say they want one thing, but pill people on reddit say they want something else. How can this be true?"

AllyCut3 · 2025-07-26T06:22:51+00:00

There we go again.

melitini · 2025-07-27T05:44:34+00:00

Are you new to America?

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-07-25T17:08:39+00:00

I think you should meet different women and expand your perspective. For a long time in my life I thought everyone drive on the same side of the road but it can vary according to the country. Human beings are more complex to the point there can be an universe of difference even between twins

MarioWilson122 · 2025-07-25T17:11:19+00:00

They definitely do know but they can afford to play around like that especially when young. Because there will always be more guys including the ones that they will eventually settle down with that will still approach.

When they have options its not that hard to see why they may enjoy playing around with these type and then stopping after a period of time.

DeepHouseDJ007 · 2025-07-26T08:10:26+00:00

Another garbage incel take.

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bluestjuice · 2025-07-25T18:13:49+00:00

There is a reason this directive lies at the heart of classical philosophy. It is deceptively simple, yet the work of reflecting, inquiring, and discovering the self is never finished.

PrecisionHat · 2025-07-26T00:29:02+00:00

Lots of people saying men are the same, but I don't think so. I think men are similarly attracted to types that they are basically conditioned to like, but I see men as generally being more honest about it.

I've never heard a man say that looks don't matter to them and they just want a nice girl who wants to cuddle. Not irl anyway. Or, at least, I don't think they express this sentiment as much as women do.

I think women have been conditioned to say certain things about what they want even if it isn't what they actually want or what they respond to. I've seen it a million times. The woman who says personality is more important than looks but laughs like a giddy school girl at the handsome guys shitty jokes and makes u clear all night long that she would take him without a second thought. Yeah, guys also do stupid stuff around hot women, but I've never heard one extol about personality being the most important thing to them before doing so. We basically laugh at ourselves because we know how stupidly devoted to those very attractive women we are.

It's really not fair for women, imo. I think they are often pressured to feel guilty about carnal attraction or any kind or superficiality despite all people being similarly afflicted. But that's also why I subscribe to the "watch what she does vs listen to what she says" when these types of convos come up. Women don't want to be seen as shallow so they say the prescribed narrative and then do the opposite (it's not all women, of course, but enough for there to be a noticeable trend). Men are pretty much perceived to be shallow by default, so nobody bats an eye when that's how we act.

kingpinkatya · 2025-07-26T16:50:52+00:00

some women like toxic men and some like more emotionally available men. welcome to Earth. women sre not a monolith. Sometimes you want chocolate and sometimes you want vanilla even if you know too many sweets are bad for you
youre getting many different types of relationship interactioms mixed up here

women are telling men online that stoicism is dumb and wont do them any favors (stranger to stranger) (friend to friend, casual interaction)
women are asking their male romantic partners to open up and be full emotional beings in the relationship (romantic relationship, maybe the person they want to marry and have children with, years devoted to building relationship)
women are complaining about doing emotional labor or a man trauma dumping on them (stranger to stranger, friend to friend but theyre not close so its weird, casual interactiom)

3.no age gap is inherently implied here. also the people most critical about age gap relationships are oftentimes the women who WERE IN THEM and therefore know the realities of being in those relationships for years. they know the hard truth, they see the patterns; they've lived the story.

4.the term incel wss created by a lesbian to describe women so this point is just wrong. Google it.

middleoftheroad133 · 2025-07-26T21:07:21+00:00

Why do so many men conflate toxic masculinity with all forms of masculinity. Most women, myself included dont like toxically masculine men but this doesn't mean we like feminized men either.

shockingly_bored · 2025-07-26T23:50:20+00:00

Nah, they know perfectly well what they want

NarlusSpecter · 2025-07-27T00:22:47+00:00

This sub is snowflake central.

Spydive · 2025-07-27T06:56:20+00:00

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing because I didn’t read the content of this post(it’s very late rn, don’t beat me up over it!😂) all I’m trying to say is esoically rn I can give you an unfiltered woman’s opinion about whatever you want. (I crave screen time rn but idk how long that will last). (Might update this and address(if needed) stuff he’s talking about. Idk yet)) (sorry everyone but rough honest truth moment from a woman!! (The world starts flashing red lights and the bunker noises start hitting 😂))

Cautious-Maybe-3313 · 2025-07-30T03:28:33+00:00

As a female I don't relate to any of this or think I have any of those problems also I don't think their's a problem with age gap relationships as long as both parties involved are mature adults

throwaway73737828 · 2025-07-25T17:54:40+00:00

I disagree with “what they want” part. Women actually do know what they want, however women’s program is to sound politically correct in society. So when they say stuff its mostly to please the masses rather than talk about the truth of what they actually want in anything to society. And that creates a bit of confusion. So what do women actually want? They want everything, thats why they have rosters of men in this day and age. However if a women say this in public she will probably get demonized, thats why they dont tell to people that they have rosters of men. They just say bs like I like a nice guy, who opens the doors and shit.

AffectionateCamera · 2025-07-25T16:58:02+00:00

Virtue signalling. They do know. They just won't admit it.

Putrid-Storage-9827 · 2025-07-25T17:15:23+00:00

They know exactly what they want - a powerful man who can have a close relationship with her from a position of strength.

In modern society, though, it's hard to be strong - most men realise they're going to be on the backfoot, which is why they flee from deep involvement or commitment with women.

Love_humans · 2025-07-25T17:21:55+00:00

Women know what they want but they can't get what they want. Just become more of what they want and you'll have loads of options.

Wooshie_Pop · 2025-07-25T16:57:28+00:00

Yes but for item 1 some do know and will intentionally never admit it because they don’t want to appear superficial.

Other than that why would they need to develop any awareness about the situation? They can continue on doing this and still have a steady stream of men wanting to be with them at all times. They always have options so they don’t need to care about improvement or introspection. Their thought is oh he didn’t work out just throw him away and start again. Men are in abundance and disposable as trash to them.

AlphaEcho971 · 2025-07-25T17:23:09+00:00

There's a new app called Tea, where women go to see if they have mutual interests in a man. The byproduct of this is increasing the status of the said man, women will always fall for the bad boys, hence why I say what women say and what they want are very different things.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-07-25T17:12:16+00:00

I'll adjust this by saying, a specific demographic of women don't know themselves or what they want.

Women like Jojo Siwa, over there flipping around with her ever changing sexuality.

Or Miley Cyrus.

Or Billy Ellish.

Or Charlise Theron.

Or Drew Barrymore.

Or Kristin Stewart.

Or Meg the Stallion.

Or Sophie Turner.

etc.

The problem are the men who keep going for these kinds of women and pretend they don't value women over men. You should see the mountain of men who expressed how they were so date Jojo after her sexuality change. As if somehow there's no chance of her doing another flip, and pulling out the feminist card.

"their rather performative declarations against "toxic masculinity" and claim to want sensitive men"

Yeah, you know who tends to do that? Women like the kind I said above.

Title	Women don't know themselves or what they want
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Date	July 25, 2025 4:48 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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