Donglegate: Why the Tech Community Hates Feminists

mwilke · 2013-03-29T15:18:21+00:00

I wish these people would just come out and say it: offending a woman is sexism.

There can be no other reason for holding this event up as evidence of misogyny. Adria Richards got offended by something, therefore the tech world is sexist and exclusionary.

Well, fuck those people. I am a woman in technology, and they don't get to speak for me. I gravitated towards this field precisely because it IS a meritocracy. When I was hanging out with my nerd friends as a kid, we could have been mistaken for an uglier version of a United Colors of Benetton ad. Boys, girls, white, black, brown, rich, poor - when we were sharing BASIC programs ripped from the back pages of 3-2-1 Contact magazine, none of that mattered. What mattered was if you were smart, clever, helpful, and open-minded, and that's still true today.

I loved being in computer science because nobody treated me any differently just because I was a woman. If I could code well, great! If not, I'd be ridiculed (and helped!) just like anyone else. My friends were funny and offensive and weird and they were just like me. Still are.

I am heartbroken to think that it may never be like that again. It kills me to think that some young, smart, crass, awkward girl might not be able to make friends like I did, because all the boys in her program are too afraid to say something "sexist" around her. I'm pissed to think of all these girls getting into STEM fields because of "grrl power" rather than authentic love for the subject matter.

I am fucking livid that these people presume to speak for me. They fucking don't, and I would much rather live in a world with dongle jokes than a world where everyone is falling over themselves not to offend me.

Edit: Wow, I did not anticipate this kind of response. Thank you to whoever sent me Reddit gold!

torrentfox · 2013-03-29T14:09:21+00:00

One reason for this is the growing popularity of “Men’s Rights Activism” (MRA) — groups of men who refer to feminism as “misandry” and advocate vociferously that men face more discrimination than women.

Raise your hand if this accurately reflects your position. Anyone?

MRAs and garden-variety geeks expressing similar attitudes may not be radical activists … but they’re radical defenders of the status quo.

Wow, I am furious at the level of ignorance here. This article is fucking crap. If we were happy with the status quo, then why would we be actively trying to change things?

MechPlasma · 2013-03-29T13:44:25+00:00

Summary:

-MRAs are creating trolls.

-Misandry doesn't exist. Links to SPLC as proof.

-Blames harassment on the "growing belief in 'misandry'". I wasn't exaggerating about that she thinks misandry doesn't exist.

-There aren't as many women in tech fields because men in tech fields are discouraging them. Offers no proof.

-There'd be more women in tech fields if people stopped making penis jokes.

-Uses the word "Microagressions" seriously.

-What Richards actually did doesn't matter. What matters is that the harassment she got was entirely because she spoke out against sexism, and no other reason whatsoever.

-Too many technologists are "blaming women for sexism". I have no idea what that has to do with the rest of the article.

The absolute worst part is that this is from Wired. Wired is supposed to be great.

Omni314 · 2013-03-29T14:23:50+00:00

"sexual jokes" not sexist, well done

"backlash not only reveals...presence of misogyny..." I don't see any misogyny, people complained because she's wrong, not because she's a girl

"in “misandry” " Misandry is a real word you don't need to put it in quotes

"backlash that included death threats, rape threats, a flood of racist and sexually violent speech, a DDOS attack on her employer" still not sexist as this happens to anyone who gets the internets hackles up

"men face more discrimination than women." not sure I've ever seen the "more"

"MRAs and feminists have completely different, often contradictory, worldviews" yeah that equality thing's a bitch.

"While women have hundreds of years of gender criticism to draw from...men don’t." I'll send your white fethers in the post

"sexism — like innocent dongle jokes" you forgot it's not sexist didn't you

"Just as MRAs vehemently protest the mere suggestion that men are responsible for social ills, technologists need to make it very clear that blaming women for sexism is not acceptable." A balanced last line, but mostly irrelivant

BuncyTheFrog · 2013-03-29T13:35:22+00:00

Terrible, worthless article. Just another voice in the wind trying to raise up Richards and women in general while bashing men and the MRM.

Wiregeek · 2013-03-29T15:29:16+00:00

Most people hate feminists, not just the tech community.

The author of this article is obviously one of the spin sisters that everyone loathes. The dongle joke wasn't sexist or representative of any misogynistic culture in the tech world - it was just a fucking joke.

EvilPundit · 2013-03-29T13:43:45+00:00

I remember when Wired used to be good ...

baskandpurr · 2013-03-29T14:48:25+00:00

Factual evidence simply does not support the idea that men are being oppressed and that women have the upper hand socially, legally, or economically.

Do these people think saying that over and over changes the facts? Lets take one simple, easy to measure example: women get shorter prison sentences than men. Whatever anyone writes that fact remains and feminists aren't advocating for equality in sentencing.

MyGogglesDoNothing · 2013-03-29T14:49:17+00:00

I like how she's being all "I'm just being neutral here but the 'factual evidence' clearly shows that MRAs bad, feminism good. Again, not taking sides."

SmokesInTheNight · 2013-03-29T14:59:47+00:00

Extremely irresponsible journalism.

"If we admit there are structural barriers to entry, and a culture that actively discourages and women and men of color from participating, then it logically follows that technology is not a meritocracy."

It's OK to mislead and manipulate people, as long as you put an "IF" at the beginning of the sentence.

Hey lady, there would be A LOT more women in tech IF more women majored in Computer Science and Engineering. I've seen the forms for selecting your major (I've even filled a couple out). The check boxes for Computer Science and Engineering are just as accessible and visible as they are for Communications and Biology.

I'll admit there are structural barriers to entry, when you preface the statement with support instead of "If".

RedditBlueit · 2013-03-29T16:26:12+00:00

Perhaps we should now have Marwick's Law: Any article on feminism that uses the terms "privilege" or "patriarchy" to 'explain' that men are not oppressed is femsplaining.

"Factual evidence simply does not support the idea that men are being oppressed and that women have the upper hand socially, legally, or economically."

By carefully defining "oppressed", feminists can make this a tautology. For the rest of us, the fact that women receive custody in 88% of US divorces, that men suffer 90% of workplace deaths, or that all else being equal, men are sentenced to prison for 63% longer than women is factual evidence that being male is a disadvantage in some situations.

SmokesInTheNight · 2013-03-29T15:07:00+00:00

One of these days, a woman is gonna get fired because a guy went behind their back and reported inappropriate conduct or speech. And then the feminists will say he did it in a public fashion as a direct assault on women, and he should have handled the situation privately.

Both sides do this, just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean they are sexist/prejudice. If you're a woman and your male boss fires you, the first thing you question is your performance, not your sex.

2013-03-29T15:12:45+00:00

Best plan in my opinion - go through her article for false accusations and smear tactics, point it out succinctly in the comments section, and actually call them false accusations.

We need to just keep pointing out how they are false accusers, and use the term false accusers over and over and their whole system will eventually be destroyed and sullied beyond use.

Proving them to be false accusers is like holy water, it puts them in such and bind because they want to lkill the idea the women make false accusations, not convince everyone that the movement that clams to represent women, is just really a collection of false accusations.

girlwriteswhat · 2013-03-29T19:39:26+00:00

Sociological research tells us that when people with likeminded beliefs congregate together, they collectively move to a more extreme position. MRA ideologies therefore become not only visible, but frequent; normalized for people exposed to them; and disseminated beyond specialty forums into broader internet — and tech conference — culture.

It seems odd that she seems unable to see that this psychological phenomenon applies to feminists, and to self-segregated groups like "Women in Tech" groups endorsed, established and populated by feminists, and to the spread of feminist ideologies into mainstream politics and culture. According to her concern here (as she believes it applies to the MRM) sites like Jezebel and Feministing are hubs of extremism and potential social threat.

Oh wait, I forgot. We're talking about FEMINISTS, so none of these things apply to them. And this bit:

“Lewis’s Law” (coined by journalist Helen Lewis) holds that “the comments on any article about feminism justify feminism.”

.... that couldn't possibly be applied to the feminist protest of the Warren Farrell talk, could it? You know, the whole "men daring to have a talk about their own issues evokes screaming, verbal abuse and assault, thereby justifying the MRM..." Of course not. That would be silly.

CrossHook · 2013-03-29T15:04:05+00:00

Because feminists are fucking gender imperialists who demand that everyone else act in accordance to their whims while they act like hypocrites.

Dexter77 · 2013-03-29T16:26:28+00:00

Having worked for twenty years in the tech industry, I'd say sexist jokes about women exist because lots of tech guys are treated like shit by women. But it seems that joking about women is far worse than being abused by them.

Greyfeld · 2013-03-29T16:40:45+00:00

Am I the only one who has yet to see a single shred of proof about supposed death and rape threats? At least Anita Sarkeesian had that screenshot of tweets (despite not actually being death or rape threats).

Thisismynetlife · 2013-03-29T18:43:57+00:00

"Regardless of the nuances of the incident"

I so love the feminist logic. They have to completely ignore those pesky little things known as facts in order to have their bullshit float.

spudbuster · 2013-03-29T15:38:31+00:00

This author is so full of shit she makes septic tanks jealous of her capacity.

blueoak9 · 2013-03-29T15:55:05+00:00

Utterly clueless article. This is what comes of your privilege blinding you - you get a clueless article from a Privilege Princess.

"Factual evidence simply does not support the idea that men are being oppressed and that women have the upper hand socially, legally, or economically."

She actually uses the SPLC as a source to refute MRA claims of discrimination. Sloopy, sloppy, sloppy, to have done so little research that she could make a mistake like that.

"This is why seemingly tiny, individual acts of sexism — like innocent dongle jokes – matter. Such “microaggressions” combine to reinforce structural sexism."

What she is missing is that the micro-aggression here was committed by Adria Richards, not those two men. Richards was the aggressor.

"MRAs and garden-variety geeks expressing similar attitudes may not be radical activists … but they’re radical defenders of the status quo."

Ah, the blindness of growing up female in this society! But she has no excuse; plenty of women have thierr eyes wide open to this systemic discrimination. What she is blind to is that this kind of policing of men's speech and behavior is the status quo. Boys grow up with this from the first day of Kindergarten. She wouldn't know that, or maybe she thinks that is normal and accpetable, the sexist pig.

Status quo? When you can get the power structure to swarm to your defense even over an imagined affront and fire someone, you're the one working within the status quo. Just who was the powerless one here?

2013-03-29T17:45:26+00:00

The author:

Alice Marwick An Assistant Professor of Communication and Media Studies at Fordham University, Alice Marwick’s current projects include a study of sexism and misogynistic speech online conducted with the Center for Law and Information Policy at Fordham Law School. Her first book, Status Update: How Social Media Changes Celebrity, Popularity, and Publicity, will be published in October by Yale Press.

I was really hoping for a well balanced article but that was probably one of the worst things I've ever read.

typhonblue · 2013-03-29T16:33:28+00:00

That there is any opposition to feminism is proof that feminism is needed.

Slap that on a poster under Big Sister's face; it's Newspeak worthy!

SheriffBart42 · 2013-03-29T15:55:52+00:00

My comment that I posted in reply to the article (in case it gets lost):

"Does anyone else see the glaring hole in Lewis's Law? Feminists' belief in such a ridiculous proposition and their rabid adherence to their unfounded principles which has made the notion of equality a mere joke is what spawned Men's Rights Activism in the first place. Let me clarify further.

This article is a prime example, but one could imagine a piece of feminist journalism that contains lie after lie, biased study after study, and all the hallmarks of the ignorance that this group of mostly privileged white women who have to invent things to complain about in order to avoid doing something productive. And despite the lack of journalistic integrity or even a grain of truth to the article, the presence of male criticism of those lies (which have harmed men time after time) justifies the defense of the people and ideology which spawned those lies. These are the people you're dealing with. They believe they are morally superior and anything that comes out of their myopic pie holes is self-evident.

Now you know why Men's Rights Activists exist. If they didn't exist, men would have to be the biggest group of masochists in the history of the planet to just accept, without reason or justification, the label of "Why Everything is Bad in Society"."

CrossHook · 2013-03-29T16:07:56+00:00

If a dick joke gets told in the woods and no feminists are around to hear it... is it still sexist?

iMADEthis2post · 2013-03-29T18:15:29+00:00

Working in a technical support role for years, If we held women accountable for such comments, more than half of the female workforce would be fired. You walk into offices full of women and the conversation often strays to lewd subject matters, including sex toys, sexual acts, discussing other staff in a sexual manner etc etc

Of course I'm an adult, I'm also not pathetic, so quite frankly having a woman going on about her favorite sex-toys to her mates and even trying to drag me into the conversation means exactly fuck all to me, it's just a bit of banter and quite frankly it happens all the time, Odd that we don't see feminism telling these women that their behavior is wrong isn't it?

springy · 2013-03-29T18:36:06+00:00

Feminism has turned into a religion, where it is underpinned by faith-based beliefs, rather than being evidence-based, and members of the cult shout "I am offended" whenever they do not like something, as if members of the cult deserve legal protection from hurt feelings. As a result, anything that anybody not in the cult says or does can be transformed into a criminal act by the cult member feigning injury to their feelings. It is a very effective way to silence and shame those outside the cult, while protecting cult members from any criticism.

ConfirmedCynic · 2013-03-29T21:37:56+00:00

Well, it's probably safe to say that Wired has alienated a good proportion of any residual readership it had.

I for one won't bother to read it again.

Jerzeem · 2013-03-29T16:07:03+00:00

Sociological research tells us that when people with likeminded beliefs congregate together, they collectively move to a more extreme position.

While true, this applies to basically all groups, including feminists. The author implied that it's bad for MR's groups to exist because of this, but didn't make the tiny step required to apply it to feminist groups as well. I guess those are ok. I'm going to guess 'because patriarchy'.

Aaod · 2013-03-29T17:28:18+00:00

women who advocate feminist ideals is nothing new,

This is the feminist ideals? Getting people fired for making a innocent joke? Sounds about right I guess.

but why does this happen so regularly when women criticize the tech industry?

Because the guys in the tech industry know it is stupid and don't put up with it? They also know some women in tech who do just fine BECAUSE THEY AREN'T RETARDED!

However, just because these points of view are equally visible both online and offline doesn’t mean they’re equally valid.

Aren't feminists and the PC crowd always telling us to accept other points of view and to keep an open mind?

Factual evidence simply does not support the idea that men are being oppressed and that women have the upper hand socially, legally, or economically.

Right because the dozens of statistics that get posted here every day or all the reference links we keep are completely made up and imaginary.

If we admit there are structural barriers to entry, and a culture that actively discourages and women and men of color from participating,

Are you kidding me? Do we live in the same world? Affirmative action is huge and most places would rather hire a female or minority over a male because of it and other reason.

to a more inclusive one where penis jokes and booth babes are no longer acceptable (and the mere suggestion to discard them isn’t met with a hailstorm of protest).

Because you are sticking your nose in other peoples business after they have become successful and you openly mocked them but now that they are doing well you try to join and change their culture. Needless to say they say fuck you.

And lastly

Masculinity places just as many limitations on men as femininity does on women.

You openly admit that yet you do not think we get something like feminism to deal with it despite feminists doing the same thing.

Orlando1701 · 2013-03-29T18:15:31+00:00

Strikes me that Adria Richards is basically a cyber bully.

papacity · 2013-03-29T21:12:37+00:00

The Internet mob isn't attacking Adria Richards because she's a woman, or because she's black. They're attacking her for acting like an asshole.

They zero in on where you're most vulnerable to cause maximum harm. If Adria Richards had big teeth, someone would have likely called her a horse face. They knew that attacking her race and gender would hurt her, and this is why they "went there."

But feminist propagandists and black supremacists in the tech media are strategically trying to spin this incident into a gender and race issue. They're also trying to push the lie that the jokes Adria overheard were "sexist", and could somehow stop women from entering the tech industry.

The good news is that most people aren't buying into this bullshit. In a poll conducted by Mashable, the majority felt that Adria Richards overreacted.

SheriffBart42 · 2013-03-29T14:53:05+00:00

4chan has some awesomeness related to this going on right now

Like this

duglock · 2013-03-29T16:08:51+00:00

The Richards incident and resulting backlash not only reveals the lack of diversity and presence of misogyny in tech culture, but the myth of meritocracy and the growing belief in “misandry” online.

That is where I stopped reading.

On a side not. What is the fucking deal with diversity. Hasn't every single experimentation with it shows it weakens a group? I know it isn't PC to say it but reality reflects that fact.

friestogo · 2013-03-29T16:22:51+00:00

Factual evidence simply does not support the idea that men are being oppressed and that women have the upper hand socially, legally, or economically.

Ah, fuck. Looks like we've been wasting our time lads.

MRMRising · 2013-03-29T17:43:25+00:00

If we admit there are structural barriers to entry, and a culture that actively discourages and women and men of color from participating, then it logically follows that technology is not a meritocracy.

The author is just as dis-honest as Richards. It is a false assumption for privileged woman to think they are in the same socio-economic boat as minority men, not even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPt4ZxMmaLo

7wap · 2013-03-29T18:21:34+00:00

Article is just bait. Don't bite.

iongantas · 2013-03-29T18:36:11+00:00

I stopped reading here:

The Richards incident and resulting backlash not only reveals the lack of diversity and presence of misogyny in tech culture, but the myth of meritocracy and the growing belief in “misandry” online.

hypernormative · 2013-03-29T20:11:36+00:00

One reason for this is the growing popularity of “Men’s Rights Activism” (MRA) — groups of men who refer to feminism as “misandry” and advocate vociferously that men face more discrimination than women. Its popularity is growing and is especially active online on sites such as Hacker News and Reddit.

Does anyone else see this as a straw man argument? Does anyone here really think men have a harder time than women? This is a genuine question. I support MRA but I don't think that men have it worse than women. I support MRA because there's a tendency to focus on women's issues to the exclusion of men's.

PerniciousOne · 2013-03-29T22:15:34+00:00

I do not know about you, but growing up as a geek tends to make you a social outcast, you may have some other nerdy friends but for the most part you will not be one of the popular kids in school.

Chiding people because during their developmental years they were abused, bullied, and treated like garbage, then when they are seen as productive / desired persons of society they want to be them, saying that it is a meritocracy.

Many tech start ups are friends in the garage or a parents basement. Once they get some funding they can enter into an office, so they will usually grow slow and utilize people that they know will be able to fulfill the roles that are immediately required.

Sorry your feminist views are not based upon reality of many people who were considered geeks and nerds growing up. They were treated by many of their peers as garbage.

ThatCynicalCynicism · 2013-03-29T17:40:09+00:00

This article screams of pathos.

It starts with a strawman in the very title (''Why the Tech Community Hates Feminists''). As far as I'm aware, very few people hate Feminists on a personal level. It's not ''Femin-ists'' we hate, it's ''Femin-ism''. An ideology which is responsible for decades of devastating social engineering, and an ideology which is now attempting to redefine free-speech as ''Oppression''. This isn't hyperbole either. The very concept of allowing free-speech is designed to protect unpopular opinions (or opinions which some find offensive).

The truth is. The idea that ''women are victims'' soon becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when women are constantly told from a young age that they're victimized by some spurious idea of a ''male dominated'' society, and even more so when they're encouraged, or even rewarded for embracing their victim status. In reality however, these women are only a victim to themselves. Their own self-pity and fragile ego. This leads to a culture which eschews personal responsibility and courage in ones own abilities and goals.

Feminism is like a parasitic organism upon what could be a great civilization. So yes, I think people have good reason to direct vitriol towards it, and no, this is not the same as ''hating'' someone.

mechakingghidorah · 2013-03-29T18:09:45+00:00

This is why seemingly tiny, individual acts of sexism — like innocent dongle jokes – matter. Such “microaggressions” combine to reinforce structural sexism.

Jesus Christ, I've never seen so much shit in one paragraph. If two women were making sexual jokes, would it be OK then?

The truth is unless someone is breaking propriety by screaming vulgarities at the top of their lungs then it's no one's fucking business.Adria Richiards was eavesdropping and really the one at fault.

2013-03-29T18:28:59+00:00

All I'm taking from this Richards debate is that feminism, apparently, is the belief that rather than a single woman conforming to her social surroundings, in this case the entire workplace, her social surroundings have to conform to her. Why? Because something something sexism something patriarch....something. Yeah, good luck with that ladies

Noel_S_Jytemotiv · 2013-03-29T19:04:18+00:00

A double ended dildo, chemical mace and megaphones aren't technologies?

2013-03-29T20:23:34+00:00

So according to the article: Feminism = good. MRAs = bad. Check your privilege. Richards wasn't the hero we deserved but the hero we needed.

GeorgeOlduvai · 2013-03-29T20:47:33+00:00

Anyone else notice the Manhood101 spammer in the comments section of the article?

Luriker · 2013-03-29T21:21:56+00:00

Let's be clear here and say that it is entirely unacceptable the threats that were issued against Ms. Richards. Unfortunately, some people lack the civility to call someone out on publicly shaming someone for what is unashamedly an innocent joke.

paracog · 2013-03-29T23:13:46+00:00

Jumped at the chance to smear the MRA...zero credibility

AlexReynard · 2013-03-30T04:15:47+00:00

As a furry, I am sadly dulled to media portrayals of my subculture which show zero research by the writer. :/

Sebatron · 2013-03-29T16:04:25+00:00

If we admit there are structural barriers to entry, and a culture that actively discourages and women and men of color from participating, then it logically follows that technology is not a meritocracy. And this threatens many dearly held beliefs of technology workers

It would only threaten those beliefs if you offered up any sort of evidence for the antecedent you've provided in your if-then statement.

jonathanwash · 2013-03-29T17:15:07+00:00

What I think is the tech community hates radfems is because we have the internet and intelligent enough to check what they're saying and know it's bullshit.
I work with women in tech support and we treat them the same as any other tech and help them when they ask for help.

And it's strange I was just listening to a podcast that talked about this and the Violet Blue issue that happened at B-Sides SF a couple months back.
http://exoticliability.libsyn.com/exotic-liability-87-trigger
NSFW by the way...

2013-03-29T17:26:21+00:00

Click bait, but what sucks is how it spreads ignorance at the same time. I lost a lot of respect for Wired today.

the_one_true_b · 2013-03-29T18:04:42+00:00

I couldn't finish this article because it reads just like another standard my opinion is right and everyone else is wrong, fuck your facts I don't agree with them rant. I have no problem with workplace diversity, but when that diversity is the result quota filling it becomes rage-inducing. What ever happened to "hiring the best and most qualified" person for the job? Her claim against the tech industry not being a meritocracy has, itself, no merit. If there are dismal number of women and minorities in tech, does that factually mean that they aren't interested and are otherwise discriminated against? There are dismal numbers of white starting wide receivers in the NFL, does that mean coaches discriminate against white players? Trying to advocate gender and racial equality while simultaneously arguing for equality-based-hiring is embarrassingly contradictory, yet hilariously hypocritical.

I could go into her juxtaposition of Feminism and MRA, but I think existing posts have already handled that one.

Abelisk · 2013-03-29T18:06:14+00:00

I'm offended!

darkmuskrat · 2013-03-29T18:07:35+00:00

This author sites websites to back up her the first 3 paragraphs. But when they say's its "Factual", there is no oppression of men they site nothing.

camp_jacking_roy · 2013-03-29T18:18:14+00:00

I find it infuriating that misandry is in quotes like it isn't a real word or concept.

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, that's offensive and demeaning to a concept. How would it be taken if misogony were put in quotes like it was an ethereal term made up by brats on 4chan? How would feminists feel if "feminism" were described as though it were a dirty website that people visit on a private browser.

Whether you stand for or against the men's rights movement, it exists, just like "feminism" does.

Unenjoyed · 2013-03-29T18:22:06+00:00

Wow. The professor didn't spend a lot of time thinking her arguments through. That, and stating up front she wasn't going to worry about correctness or nuance at all.

Always_Doubtful · 2013-03-29T18:30:59+00:00

Its not misogyny when a majority of women don't want to go into the tech sector. Its like the same argument when you talk about STEM its not a group issue when women don't want to go into those fields.

Women on average pick easier degrees for their career paths.

alphabetpal · 2013-03-29T19:51:02+00:00

"Microaggressions?" This is an SRS troll.

simon_says_upvote · 2013-03-29T20:11:54+00:00

"Just as MRAs vehemently protest the mere suggestion that men are responsible for social ills" It's like they don't even get us. Individuality is somewhat paramount in this movement yet they feel we want to, as a group, oppress the wimmenz.

betaprime · 2013-03-29T20:35:58+00:00

Alice Marwick is an Assistant Professor at Fordham University and an academic affiliate at the Center on Law and Information Policy (CLIP) at Fordham Law School. Alice has a PhD from the Department of Media, Culture and Communication at New York University, a MA from the University of Washington and a BA from Wellesley College.

A "scholar" with an "interdisciplinary" degree. Wired, have you no standards.

HoundDogs · 2013-03-29T21:44:43+00:00

I hate how the 4chan reaction, to Adria Richards poor judgement, is being associated with "sexism" in tech. Harassment and sexism did not come anywhere near this case itself. 4chan just did what the always do after the fact. These are two different things but the media seem intent on pinning 4chans reaction on sexism in tech.

FiveMagicBeans · 2013-03-29T22:54:51+00:00

Got half way down, scrolled back up, author's first name is Alice... closed browser.

2013-03-29T15:21:51+00:00

One of the few reasons why I like Wired.com is due to the comment section. They pawned the author big time.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-03-29T16:35:53+00:00

Maybe because the tech industry and people in the tech industry want to focus on tech whereas feminists want to focus on the patriarchal constructs present within the tech industry that unfairly target women (particularly minority women).

Basically people get bored of having "MISOGYNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!" screamed at them for being interested in new technology and gadgets.

Grubnar · 2013-03-29T16:58:46+00:00

... we see lots of people arguing but not really engaging. They’re like two ships passing in the night, talking past each other ...

And yet, this is exactly what she does. So sad.

chowder138 · 2013-03-29T18:23:09+00:00

Everyone hates feminists.

2013-03-29T19:19:53+00:00

What a whole bunch of something over a little bit of nothing this entire affair was.

Wizuhd · 2013-03-29T21:17:13+00:00

Damn, and I really liked wired too, guess I'll have to find a new tech magazine/site

I know it's opinion but really,

the myth of meritocracy and the growing belief in “misandry” online.

Really.

eluusive · 2013-03-29T21:48:56+00:00

Why? Because you use scare quotes around the word misandry. And you baselessly imply that they people sending her threats are the same people who identify themselves as men's rights activists.

ToffeeAppleCider · 2013-03-29T22:17:02+00:00

It's been a disappointing time, I don't read many articles from popular sources or otherwise, apart from recently on this topic. It's disappointing to learn that there are so many in these positions barely look skin-deep into a subject, then use that pedestal given to them to spew this garbage. So many news sources that I thought might've been respectable.

I can see why feminism is so easy to dislike, because at times like this it just doesn't seem like a fight for equality, it's just a massive circlejerk. Yes you could say the same about many things, even this subreddit, but damn that circle is big. I'm saddened that a lot of people will never see the true story because all the popular related articles are written like this, and by people who call themselves feminists.

VideoLinkBot · 2013-03-29T23:28:20+00:00

Here is a list of video links collected from comments that redditors have made in response to this submission:

Source Comment	Score	Video Link
d3isgay	10	Asking Amy: Extended 2013 Best Buy Game Day Commercial
MRMRising	2	Why I joined the Men's Right Movement
IHaveALargePenis	1	Science: It's a Girl Thing !
arch4non	1	Jeff and Ryan rant about a Dumb "WIRED" Article
noshwi	1	It's Tough Being A Man

Taran_123 · 2013-03-30T02:04:26+00:00

This article is what should have been written:

http://taran_123.kinja.com/adria-richards-and-donglegate-right-or-wrong-462159597

Much more logical. What do you think?

2013-03-30T11:54:03+00:00

Oh god yawn, another bimbo with a degree in the easiest shit colleges offer.

So tired of reading the opinions of these morons.

NightMgr · 2013-03-29T14:41:55+00:00

unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep

Need any more proof than that?

2013-03-30T06:36:13+00:00

First off: why did those men not sue the bitch for illegally taking their picture and posting it on the Internet? The woman should have been fired as well for doing illegal junk on the company's premises... >.>

Title	Donglegate: Why the Tech Community Hates Feminists
Author	arbus
Upvotes	314
Comments	240
Date	March 29, 2013 1:10 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/1b8muu/donglegate-why-the-tech-community-hates-feminists/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/donglegate-why-the-tech-community-hates-feminists.1609327 https://theredarchive.com/post/1609327

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