Can we just laugh about how

applemartin · 2021-03-29T20:11:44+00:00

Lyz Lenz writes about the declining fertility rate far better than I can in her article "The Pandemic Is Breaking Women and Now We Have to Have Babies? Go to Hell" https://lyz.substack.com/p/the-pandemic-is-breaking-women-and

hmmmM4YB3 · 2021-03-29T20:54:56+00:00

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thenyashoulda · 2021-03-29T22:21:36+00:00

70 % of divorces are initiated by women. (2015 ASA study)

Among college-educated women, this number jumps to 90%.

20% difference

almost like there is a statistically significant difference in women who are educated and had the financial means to get the fuck out

barbedwiredaisycrown · 2021-03-29T18:42:17+00:00

Respect my existence or expect my resistance 🙃

Gateway to life is closed, assholes! 💖

Big-Respond8481 · 2021-03-29T19:33:35+00:00

But according to them somehow we are the ones who are baby-crazy and who crave families. We are single 30-year old hags with cats who desperatley want a baby but somehow women are also so successful due to feminism that we ruin families and society🤔

RabidWench · 2021-03-29T20:14:04+00:00

Can we also talk about despite being locked in together for essentially a year projected birth rates are still on the decline?

Is it possible that familiarity (with LVM) breeds contempt?

logickilledthecat · 2021-03-29T18:32:02+00:00

Except in those many many many many many many countries where women still do NOT have a choice, of course, birth rates are as high as ever.

TOTAL COINCIDENCE.

spinsterchachkies · 2021-03-29T19:25:23+00:00

And Incels are suddenly popping up like WoMeNs sTaNdERs AnD eXpeCtAtiOns aRe toO hIgH bEcAusE feMiNisM!!!

Bitch they were always this high we just weren’t allowed to act on it

Protoetype · 2021-03-29T22:26:40+00:00

It's always been men forcing their own reproductive choices for women on them for most of recorded history.

jasmine-blossom · 2021-03-29T18:44:05+00:00

Yea I love bringing those statistics out whenever some dumbass dude tries to argue that women naturally want those things at a young age.

Lemon_bars_addiction · 2021-03-29T18:29:24+00:00

Yes I’m loving the collective awakening ♥️

2021-03-29T18:56:44+00:00

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LR_today · 2021-03-29T18:17:40+00:00

Of course they are. Any time we have a choice, we will choose to delay or not have kids.

Until men inevitably put us in a "handmaid tale" scenario, because they can't help themselves. If they can't trick us into having babies, they force us.

Bitter_Froyo_6742 · 2021-03-29T20:40:05+00:00

I'd actually blame a shitty economy more than anything. I know a bunch of women who would like to have kids, but aren't willing to risk a life of poverty to do so. If society refuses to grant mothers livable conditions in a sputtering global economy, then many will opt into the much safer choice of being childless. Women are pragmatic survivalists with very low risk thresholds. Doing something physically dangerous and woefully shortsighted because of a biological impulse is a decidedly male phenomena.

Same goes for marriage - getting married stopped making sense the minute it meant being a housewife and a full time worker. Mens societal role was provider, but starting in the 1970s their ability to provide plummeted.

Women know a bad deal.when we see one. The benefits of marriage have all but disappeared over the course of 2-3 generations, and the costs have actually gone up slightly. It's always been pretty garbage terms, but there's pretty much no way to justify making that deal now other than pure delusion.

Personally, I don't think it's funny. Women don't have real legal protections in most countries. Women not wanting marriage and kids is how you get handmaids tale shit. China has been having this issue for a while and what do you know, they recently passed legislative reform which now makes it much harder and slower for women to get divorced. Huh, wildly coincidental that this change coincides with a skyrocketing "marriage crisis".

Women choosing not to get married and have kids is only funny so long as men don't decide to make it non-optional. We're nowhere near that point.

BettyX · 2021-03-30T04:32:38+00:00

It is women who are noping out of dating market and longtem relationships. Not seeking relationships especially the older we get. Don't believe the myth it is women who seek relationships later on, it is actually men

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/nearly-half-of-u-s-adults-say-dating-has-gotten-harder-for-most-people-in-the-last-10-years/

notochord · 2021-03-29T20:02:47+00:00

I do think it’s great and considering the garbage men in my area I couldn’t imagine reproducing with them! (I’ll be a SMBC if I have kids) but I do worry about the future of humanity.

MEN NEED TO STEP UP AND BE BETTER HUMANS SO THEY CAN HELP RAISE BETTER CHILDREN.

Right now there are more idiots breeding and as hateful as that may sound, it’s sadly true. Part of investing in the future is investing in the present and it bothers me so much to see all these articles about how “wOmEn ArEn’T HAviNg bAbiEs b/c fEminIZm!” When it actually needs to be “men are further abdicating their social roles as leaders within the community”

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nyclaurco · 2021-03-29T21:22:54+00:00

i would love to have a family after i finish up my graduate degree and do some traveling with my partner. i would cherish staying home with my kids and making memories. i would love to do some martial arts and make banana bread and do some art while they’re at school, in between cleaning and other responsibilities.

the thing is, being a SAHM is dangerous. no other way around it. due to the fickle nature of human beings, he could just decide that this ain’t it, pick up, and leave. the world has decided that large resume gaps make you unemployable, which definitely is a way of cutting out women since we’re the ones who take care of older and younger relatives. and if you have nothing to show as far as a resume goes, you’re even more screwed. all of that labor that you did for free, and nothing to show for it besides the happiness and success of your children, which is now in jeopardy because they’re now in a broken family.

your fairytale life could be over in the blink of an eye because he decided to hit you during a disagreement, because he’s taken a liking to the fresh out of college new coworker, because he got sucked into an addiction (drugs, porn, gambling). it could be a slow burn like him resenting you for not “contributing” enough despite being the backbone of the family, increasing his health, social status, and productivity. he could even be the perfect man and fall ill or pass away, and you’re left picking up the pieces.

if the rest of these first world countries fear japanification (look up their birth rates and hikokomori), then women who have children or take care of sick relatives should be given a monthly stipend that cannot be touched by anyone but herself. yes, extreme financial abusers can threaten them physically to fork it over, but those would be the vast minority of relationships still. it’s not a perfect idea, but it will encourage lower middle, middle, and upper middle class women to have children again. we are just absolutely done doing free labor, and that’s what this is. it’s too much of a risk even if it’s what we truly want.

BlackGirlNerd · 2021-03-29T20:04:51+00:00

Facts! I've actively made the choice to abstain from marriage and children. I want neither.

thenyashoulda · 2021-03-29T22:08:50+00:00

I find it illuminating that men are calling this "women are too picky nowadays".

nymira-1 · 2021-03-29T22:28:16+00:00

Even here and Saudi! And scholars aka sheihks aka old fucks who want to control women’s body’s are complaining about “spinsterhood” 🙄 nah we good

throwRA8935747835 · 2021-03-29T19:29:25+00:00

That's probably also a part of the reason why anti abortion is on the rise in several regions. I refuse to believe it has ever been about religion or "precious life", since they stop giving a shit once the child is born. No, it is about controlling women, keeping them down, and ensuring that the males' privileged place in our patriarchal society can be maintained.🤮

JaneIsaPain · 2021-03-30T03:17:53+00:00

As a sole trader, I was just told by the bank no chance I can purchase a property in my city let alone state, sooo...where does having kids fall into this? The economy is shit. Kids are expensive and stressful. F off with your opinions.

Nat_at_all · 2021-03-30T07:45:22+00:00

Right??? HUH wonder why. They're still trying to trap women into "settling" for someone who brings misery into their life, by instilling fear of being "unwanted" and a "cat lady". But I think hopefully more and more people are catching on.

QueenCrownn · 2021-03-29T20:41:43+00:00

And boy do I NOT want to be married! Lol

WhoopassDiet · 2021-03-30T05:13:15+00:00

Also, the world is on fire, everything is getting worse every year and I don't want to add more people to the fire.

And I don't want to create a new person if I can't even offer the faint hope of growing old in comfort and joy.

Those are my reasons, and the effects of pregnancy or finances are way down the list for me.

millennialpink2000 · 2021-03-29T19:29:37+00:00

Getting married and having kids is the absolute worst investment a woman can make. There is barely any upside, with tremendous risk

MargotteL · 2021-03-29T22:16:54+00:00

It's almost like we are actual individuals with a will of our own!

AntinatalistChick · 2021-03-30T03:01:36+00:00

Haha and all scrotes saying that it's in our nature to do so failed :)

2021-03-29T22:13:37+00:00

gotta thank my parents for never saying shit like "when you have kids..." or "when you get married..." to me at all when i was growing up. and what a coincidence that i didn't own any disney princess movies nor was i brought to the movies to see them. they didn't raise a wife and mother, they raised a bachelorette.

NurseBubbleGum · 2021-03-29T23:55:55+00:00

I already have a child, but I've had more than my fair share of men tell me they wanted me to have more kids when we dated. I dont want more because I had the lions share of the work in raising the one I have. I want to focus on my career and myself and am able to do that at this point. I've only had a few say they would forgo children for me.

Phoenix__Rising2018 · 2021-03-29T22:34:17+00:00

Ahahahahahahaha breathes hahhahahshahaha

Dolphin_Moon · 2021-03-30T05:07:58+00:00

Honestly— i am a sexual person but the idea of having sex with a man is repelling me. When I know their porn habits, that they will literally fuck a pillow m—im like whats the POINT

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madonna_whorecomplex · 2021-03-30T03:26:57+00:00

😂

CynicalSucculent · 2021-03-30T22:41:10+00:00

shocked pikachu face

Gloomy-Ad3145 · 2021-03-30T03:31:29+00:00

If I can't get an abortion, I'm killing myself and I'm giving you all permission to shoot my body into a Republicunt's house. Death before enslavement.

yalllove · 2021-03-29T19:16:30+00:00

Socio-economic dynamics certainly contribute to this change but in addition to them there’s a significant drop in fertility in men, driven by pollution, as well as decrease of testosterone and the resulting early onset of ED (26% of men with some form of ED are now under the age of 40 according to her book, she does cite porn as a contributing factor to ED, in addition to pollution and other factors).

There are also higher than historically rates of miscarriages. This is largely due to pollution but interestingly she also states that poor quality of sperm can lead to miscarriages. And the quality is drastically decreasing (volume, shape and speed of sperm determine quality).

Recent research by Dr. Swan shows that in about 25 years if we don’t change anything, most humans will be infertile:

https://apple.news/AlY19vmGXQB--BxEv0qVVwg

Title	Can we just laugh about how
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