We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals

hannahg000 · 2023-09-19T11:19:54+00:00

this is my personal observation so don’t attack me if you noticed something different. but i think in a lot of ways gen z is more sexually conservative than millennials. in fact, gen z is having less sex than the past few generations.

anecdotally, i’ve witnessed many gen z women on social media talk about the downsides of hookup culture, whereas millennial women are what i consider the height of hookup culture. i’ve also witnessed many young women proudly talk about the fact that they are virgins or have a low body count (and some even go as far as shaming other women).

my fyp on tiktok is full of young virgins who express fears of intimacy and the fact they have never even held hands with a boy. but of course, this is my demographic so it makes sense that i see a lot of this.

again, these are all my observations.

Billsandasonom · 2023-09-19T14:07:54+00:00

Nobody who has read remotely any history would assume it moves in a straight line.

Demasii · 2023-09-19T12:12:53+00:00

It's not straight line but society gets more progressive in general.

Sexual repression happens when given a reason. Syphilis was on a rampage during the Victorian era. HIV in the 80's helped fuel the push for abstinence only sex education. Birth control reduced the possibility of unwanted children.

Lastly the lack of intimacy that gen z is experiencing is purely just them experiencing a lack of everything else due to technology.

Soon AI sex robots or drug stimulation will help people get the sex or orgasm that they desire without needing to thinking about another person.

relish5k · 2023-09-19T13:54:02+00:00

You’re probably right but not for the reasons you list. The truth is that what precious generations do a lot of becomes cringe over time. If everyone is having casual sex then it’s no longer special and spicy it’s just what your aunt is doing and who wants to do that?

Hopefully younger generations can learn from the mistakes of previous generations, and can engage in sex, alcohol and drugs in a way that is level headed and responsible. And if promiscuity and substance abuse loses its sheen and becomes uncool, that’s a good start.

NefariousNaz · 2023-09-19T13:49:09+00:00

Yes I agree. And the ironic thing is that the sexual conservativism is now coming from the left as opposed to historically it was coming from the right.

Another thing worth mentioning that now people are in favor of bringing back segregated spaces for women. So segregated women only taxi services, gyms, and train cars.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-09-19T17:30:22+00:00

Wont happen as long as women have free reign and full autonomy

If women fuck freely, it cripples any sexual morality in a society. Promiscuous women breeds degenerate men

We are not going to go backwards with this barring a change to womens rights

And for the record, No, women should not lose rights

AidsVictim · 2023-09-19T18:15:09+00:00

I don't see anything like "conservative" sexual morality taking over. It's more like asociality, gender antagonism, material factors and so on are producing low "sexually capable" people - they're not avoiding sex for ideological/religious/principled reasons, but largely because they're just less social and capable.

Most men (and women) are still willing to engage in pretty "uninhibited" and low investment sexual encounters as long as their partner hits XYZ criteria, they're still supporting essentially unlimited sexual expression, they're more saturated with highly sexual imagery than ever (if not in public spaces then in private spaces via ubiquitous pornography) and so on.

If conservativism "wins" it will be because modern liberalism produces such dysfunctional low fertility individuals (which seems inevitable at this stage), not because of a social shift.

JNRoberts42 · 2023-09-19T13:01:52+00:00

Historically wartime and economic depressions resulted in temporary revivals or conservative posturing, but the last few political and economic downturns did not result in ankle length skirts, a return to religion, or young marriages and big families.

What makes you think it’s going to happen now?

Hoopy223 · 2023-09-19T14:31:59+00:00

I kinda doubt it but it’s kind of funny that normality is becoming an almost counter-culture movement.

Icy-Sprinkles-638 · 2023-09-19T15:44:43+00:00

It's almost like old social norms were the result of evolution and the social revolutionaries who tore them down didn't bother to actually think things through...

supremethrone · 2023-09-19T09:50:28+00:00

No it won't. OLD has completely rewritten the rules.

Gravel_Roads · 2023-09-19T11:56:29+00:00

lol, what? it's not that I don't even agree that social norms cycle in and out of progressive or conservative slants. But your actual provided points are kind of weak, and poor evidence.

We're literally just two steps away from the Victorian idea that men are perverts who "corrupt" young women, that sex is a corrupting force for the soul etc.

Lol, no we aren't. Women have more of a choice in WHO fucks them, and they're now allowed to say that they don't find men attractive when they don't find men attractive. But the narrative that women are somehow "corrupted" by sex is extremely unpopular right now, which is why men who think that are struggling to catch up. So I don't really see any "returning" to that any time soon.

a) very confusing messaging about when it's appropriate to approach women... This leaves minimal options to meet people outside of dating apps.

There IS no agreed upon time when it's "appropriate" to approach. Some women don't mind as long as your polite. Some women don't want to have to hear about how much you want to cum in their pussy no matter how polite you are.

However, saying "cold approaches are the ONLY way to meet women" is insane. Most people don't meet their partner by walking up to a stranger and propositioning them. Most people meet through social activities.

b) retroactively removing consent. If a woman consents to sex but had a bad experience, it's not just a bad experience anymore, it's s*xual assault or at the very minimum the man is labeled a creep (like the Aziz Ansari situation).

I mean... yeah, sadly, you can't control how people react to your behavior. Aziz Ansari didn't assault that woman, but he was NOT acting appropriate in how he was begging and pressuring her to have sex even after she expressed reluctance.

You can't control how people react to you. That isn't a recent development, it's been true since the dawn of time. At least now people aren't publically shamed by being put in stocks and having rotten fruit thrown at them.

The best way to avoid public shaming is to act polite, being respectful of other people's time and not expecting to be handed what you want at everyone else's expense. - If Aziz did that, he woudln't have been reamed.

c) Popularization of the idea that casual sex is bad for women

What? Women are more comfortable than ever having casual sex. And they are finding that, just like men, all's that happens when you have casual sex is you've then had casual sex.

d) Regular male sexuality seen as perverted and "wrong".

Men, themselves, are the ones that think this the most, lol! We know what goes on in one another's heads.

e) Women expecting to be courted, saying that coffee dates are cheap

What? Some women, maybe, but the majority of people are still doing cheap first dates like coffee or movies or going to the beach.

MrBrittle · 2023-09-19T12:46:00+00:00

Conservatism is the result of philosophy and is therefore more difficult for people to adhere to, while hedonism is just people giving in to their sexual urges like animals. I believe that after a population completely surrenders to hedonism and faces the consequences, the tendency is for this to reduce a little and the number of conservative people to increase, but I think this only happens up to a certain "balance point". I believe that most people will never be conservative, because being conservative is difficult, it requires selflessness in order to reap benefits that are not easily tangible and recognizable.

MateriallyDetatched · 2023-09-19T17:04:12+00:00

Can't believe someone with a brain and some understanding of history is on this sub.

Time is both cyclical and linear. Feminism isn't some modern idea. In fact, feminism and sexual degeneracy was one of the factors that contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire!

Even a young Ben Franklin noted how it was more immoral to have sex with a young virgin woman over an experienced middle-aged woman since the young woman will be miserable afterwards while the older one will be grateful.

A few years ago I heard this Gen Z woman talking about: "my roommate always breaks down into tears after hooking up."

Male sexuality is gross and men need to control their urges and stop letting women get away with destructive, masculine behaviour simply because they're desperate and horny.

As a teenager, I always felt pressured by other boys to lose my virginity and have sexual experience with girls. Definitely regret it now, it wasn't worth it. Those "experiences" don't make you a better partner.

WilliamWyattD · 2023-09-19T10:48:35+00:00

In certain respects, liberated sexuality peaked in the 90s. But in others, things get more sexualized every day.

I agree that social trends do not move in a straight line. That said, I question how far back we can go. We have birth control and (usually) abortion. Religion has generally lost its hold on people. And women have been reawakened to the fact that the have sexual desires and pleasures..and as a result--gasp--sexual preferences.

I support a more constrained sexuality than we see today. But what the appropriate levels of constraint would look like in the future is hard to say. And how such constraint could be enforced is even more difficult to imagine.

Important-Roll782 · 2023-09-19T14:37:30+00:00

Conservative sexual values are, ultimately driven by fear of unwanted pregnancy. Where abortion is legal and contraceptives are available women will have sex with men bold enough to ask.

xTakki27 · 2023-09-19T16:47:45+00:00

a) very confusing messaging about when it's appropriate to approach women..some will outright tell you that approaching women on the streets or at gym or at work is harassment, even if you are very respectful.

Or just be handsome or rich

b) retroactively removing consent. If a woman consents to sex but had a bad experience, it's not just a bad experience anymore, it's s*xual assault or at the very minimum the man is labeled a creep (like the Aziz Ansari situation).

That's the reason I got legal insurance (alongside other things). But those women don't pay enough for their false accusations or refuse to acknowledge female perps, so why should we care about them?

c) Popularization of the idea that casual sex is bad for women ( see Louise Perry's work or even the FDS narrative that women should have sex after dating for two months)

After they see their hypergamous urges satisfied...in our economic disaster, as you can see by r/lostgeneration, it'll come back as well.

d) Regular male sexuality seen as perverted and "wrong". (This idea is more conservative than you think)

Conservative Aversion of everything.

e) Women expecting to be courted, saying that coffee dates are cheap and that the man should plan some fancy, expensive first date. What happened to equality? Why can't women plan the first date ?

They want men to be an ATM, then I don't want a person neither, just a toy for me. It's the law of transactions afterall...

Btw: One of those demands and mindsets will be called "know your worth" the other one is labelled "misogynistic menace to society, who should get immediate therapy asap"

And you know, which one's which.

But I've seen women LOVE their patriarchal double standards, as long as they benefit them, so I'm not inclined to fight it. Nor should women expect men to "be feminists"

CountMandrake · 2023-09-19T16:54:01+00:00

Unless you detonate the internet, there is no way you can put the cat inside the bag again.

It's a phenomena tho.

Guys who can't get any and have to wait to 30 to settle for an ol' hag are pushing this "conservative" stuff back into the bottle because they are tired of gettin the raw deal.

I'm pretty sure these dudes fathers were the ones pushing for free love culture 50 years ago in hopes to get some pussy, IDK why.

Anyways, women are not more traditional than 50 years ago, stop deluding yourselves.

They are just talking tradcon shit because that gains them viewers, since there is a lot of tradcon losers out there trying with all their means to keep some women virgins or something like that.

Dude...

You can't find a virgin woman past 16 in this day and age, stop fantazising.

Midnightchickover · 2023-09-19T18:35:57+00:00

You guys do realize millennial women are having less sex than previous generations of women. The silent generation women are closer to the millennials than they are to baby boomers or gen X.

Women are less likely to be happy or even sexually satisfied after an encounter, remember these studies are primarily heterosexual based.

Women also suffer way more consequences from sex, especially from their families, interested men, society, and health wise. If you get pregnant there’s a level of consequences that cannot be matched.

https://sexualalpha.com/hookup-culture-statistics/

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Percentages-of-Womens-and-Mens-Responses-to-Most-Recent-Casual-Sex-Incident-N-14-257_tbl1_311952643

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023121996854#:~:text=The%20decline%20in%20casual%20sex%20is%20apparent%20for%20both%20women,to%2024%20percent%20in%202017.

https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-digital-decade-sex-c95e6fb6296b?gi=d161856fb261

https://ibb.co/8xcZ2kP

the_calibre_cat · 2023-09-19T18:58:45+00:00

People sometimes assume that history is moving in a straight line: that we used to be conservative and we'll be moving in a more progressive direction until we reach the ultimate utopian goal.

"end of history" moronic liberals, maybe - anyone functionally aware of history knows damn well that the fascists could still win.

I believe that sexual morality has become so complicated and impossible to navigate that we'll be soon seeing a return to conservative sexuality.

as long as women vote and work, for-profit social media remains a thing, and at a minimum same-sex marriage rights are preserved, no, we won't. i will qualify that by saying that conservative sexuality is presently a thing, it's just not mandated and reinforced by law, which is a good thing.

people are free to be normal-ass heterosexual couples with children, and for the most part, still are. there is nothing wrong with this.

laguerita420 · 2023-09-20T07:00:38+00:00

I think as individuals we’re losing the ability to connect with people IRL in general. I feel like that’s the point, is for people to basically be okay not being people. Just test rats.

ApachePotato · 2023-09-19T13:19:56+00:00

Arranged marriages will return for the middle classes (they never left for the upper classes)

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Glittering-Roll-9432 · 2023-09-19T12:14:19+00:00

women..some will outright tell you that approaching women on the streets or at gym or at work is harassmen

Very few women, and almost no heterosexual women say this. They may point out scenarios where they personally don't want men approaching them, and they give that as advice because other women share those feelings. Overall though tactful flirting is fine if you're a neurological male that can read body language and verbalize any issues that a woman may have.

Also your knowledge of sexual norms is way, way off. It's like you read a Wikipedia article and didn't click any links for follow ups.

shmupsy · 2023-09-19T13:24:03+00:00

The 'free love' thing lasted about 40 years, and it was terrible. why are you confused about this?

Adept-Emphasis4104 · 2023-09-19T12:26:39+00:00

As much as I want to. Unless the west becomes religious. The path of degeneracy is the one it’ll go down.

purplish_possum · 2023-09-19T13:53:48+00:00

Some genies never go back into the bottle. Women love to fuck hot guys. No way in hell they're going back.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-09-19T15:04:53+00:00

I just blame the internet for this. Any idiot can get on here and talk with authority about shit they have no fucking clue about. Like Rollo or any trans activist that believe that they can change sex and gender.

If the pendulum does swing back and forth and conservative traditional ideals get popular I'm just really glad I grew up in a lefty space cause I've been having a lot of fun and it's been nice to see women have autonomy for once.

KaptainBrix · 2023-09-19T13:45:11+00:00

I hope not! Hookup culture is good for society, notice that now men care about self improvement more than anytime before, this is the natural order, and it's how the human race evolves, improve and progress. Vs the alternative where monogamy is enforced and "everyone gets a wife/husband".

Almost every sector and aspect of society is based on hierarchies, and most people have no problem with that except for dating, especially the TRP and other crowds that lean conservative, are usually very pro free market and capitalism, but the minute dating is mentioned they turn into a bunch of communists that advocate equality of outcome and "fairness".

I don't think society will go back to being conservative when it comes to dating, unless everyone becomes a devout Muslim/Christian, because in order for that to happen you'll need to enforce monogamy, and you can't enforce monogamy without slut-shaming and limiting women's sexyal freedom.

Epiphanic_Eros · 2023-09-19T15:46:21+00:00

Certainly there's a massive male backlash against the opening of women's sexuality. It's been transformative for so many women, but as is clear from this sub, sexually-empowered women are terrifying to many men. And, of course, there will be a bunch of women who go along with the resentment, for a wide variety of reasons.

RonMexico432 · 2023-09-19T14:04:26+00:00

The pendulum always swings back and forth.

laguerita420 · 2023-09-20T06:58:24+00:00

I basically agree with this

ambrosedc · 2023-09-21T21:59:13+00:00

Nailed it.

Safinated · 2023-09-19T14:45:40+00:00

“Full circle” means no pre marital sex/chaste dating/no cohabitation, sex as a duty instead of expression of love, kinks/fetishes are immoral and deviant, men being expected to not control themselves sexually, only heterosexuality, no interracial coupling, disease and out of wedlock pregnancies as worthy of isolation and shunning, orgasms and consent as irrelevant for women, completely formalized courtship, and single earning marriages

I’m going to press “doubt” for all of those

SierraMistSoda · 2023-09-19T18:52:22+00:00

Women will come to value themselves more in the next decade. Not women trying to be like men and women, but women being like women and forcing men to step up.

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GGProfessor · 2023-09-19T10:45:36+00:00

In addition to all this it feels like there may be increasing demand for more conservative media when it comes to sexual content as well. When I was growing up it was basically year after year movies, music, and TV shows would grow only more and more "scandalous," with full frontal nudity, sex scenes, more vulgar language, etc. and this was celebrated and championed by young people while the stuffy old conservatives would bemoan the decline in traditional values and so on.

Now it seems like it's young people who are complaining about nudity and sex scenes in media, protesting "problematic" sexual content, and generally just pushing for movies, music, and TV/streaming shows to tone down the sexuality. I don't think they're coming at it from the same place traditional conservatives would be, but nonetheless it's strange to me how it seems like their interests align here.

Wrong-Wrap942 · 2023-09-19T16:17:43+00:00

This is already having a direct impact on the lgbtq community as well. There’s absolutely been an uptick in intolerance lately.

Warm_Gur8832 · 2023-09-19T18:31:28+00:00

History zigs and zags but I don’t think we’re going back to the dark ages

It will go conservative, then liberal, then conservative, then back again.

But I don’t think e.g. we’re going back to a time when homosexuality is criminalized or something (at least in western countries and without a massive strike or something if anything close to that were forced on people)

Hubris1998 · 2023-09-19T20:48:50+00:00

I think when the pendulum swings too far to one side, there will be an equally radical counterreaction. It's no coincidence that radical conservatives have started to gain traction in recent years. These ideas of bringing back sexual purity and the nuclear family wouldn't have resonated with people just a decade ago. It's a combination of a collapsing economy, online culture, pop feminism being too extra, political polarisation, a male loneliness epidemic, the pandemic, dating apps commodifying sex, and social media like IG promoting entitlement.

ulptthrowaway2016 · 2023-09-19T23:00:52+00:00

Full circle to conservative sexual morality would mean dressing modestly would be a thing again. I don't see modesty ever making a comeback in the English-speaking world.

Independent_Score217 · 2023-09-20T07:42:19+00:00

Unlikely. AI and pod babies are coming in under a decade. Competition with a functional product always destroys a defective competitor.

Title	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals
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Date	September 19, 2023 9:32 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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