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I already answered that. Because sex, in and of itself, is enjoyable.

You’re not doing anything. You’re doing sex with yourself basically just let them see that’s all. He may as well watch porn why have sex with you.

Considering women in general orgasm 60-75 precent of the time (depends on the study) during sex and most women can't orgasm with penetration alone, this doesn't ring true.

The ability of these women to not orgasm us based on the fact they’re choosing wrong dudes it’s in the same study. And all our bodies function well and are able to orgasm. So basically it’s your mind or your conscience that is playing into you. Saying women can’t orgasm because of body is just scientifically wrong.

If a woman doesn't have an orgasm during sex, it doesn't automatically mean she's with the wrong guy.

It either means she can’t communicate her needs well. Or the guy sucks at sex. Or she’s too self conscious. The woman’s body is very capable of orgasming. We are designed this way.

I would say only if she's with a man who does not care at all about her pleasure, then she's with the wrong guy.

He’s not making the woman orgasm. It means he’s not the right guy or he’s not trying at all.

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You’re not doing anything. You’re doing sex with yourself basically just let them see that’s all. He may as well watch porn why have sex with you.

Not doing anything? Have you ever had sex? I don't even know how to respond to this.

The ability of these women to not orgasm us based on the fact they’re choosing wrong dudes it’s in the same study. And all our bodies function well and are able to orgasm. So basically it’s your mind or your conscience that is playing into you. Saying women can’t orgasm because of body is just scientifically wrong.

I didn't say women can't orgasm. I said most women can't orgasm with penetration alone. I think the figure is somewhere around 75 percent of women can't orgasm with penetration alone. Direct clitoral stimulation is necessary to achieve orgasm for the majority of women.

It either means she can’t communicate her needs well. Or the guy sucks at sex. Or she’s too self conscious. The woman’s body is very capable of orgasming. We are designed this way.

You are correct, some women don't communicate their needs well. It's an issue that a lot of women need to overcome. And yeah, some guys aren't good at sex. That's why women need to communicate their wants and needs. So the guys can learn what to do. And yep, some women are self-conscious. They need to learn to be comfortable with their bodies and their sexuality. Women's bodies are very capable of orgasming; it's just that women's orgasms are more complex than men's orgasms and what works for one woman may not work for another.

He’s not making the woman orgasm. It means he’s not the right guy or he’s not trying at all.

This just isn't true. The guy very well may be trying, but he may be trying the same stuff that got his last partner off, which may not work for his current partner. Also, a guy may try to get his partner off, but is so turned on, he ends up finishing before she does. It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it.

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Not doing anything? Have you ever had sex? I don't even know how to respond to this.

Yes ? You’re masturbating ? Where’s the sex ? Have YOU ever had sex ?

I didn't say women can't orgasm. I said most women can't orgasm with penetration alone. I think the figure is somewhere around 75 percent of women can't orgasm with penetration alone.

It’s still physically possible for women to orgasm from piv alone. They may be morally incapable or consciously uncomfortable. But the female body is capable.

Direct clitoral stimulation is necessary to achieve orgasm for the majority of women.

The majority of women can also orgasm from piv alone.

You are correct, some women don't communicate their needs well. It's an issue that a lot of women need to overcome. And yeah, some guys aren't good at sex. That's why women need to communicate their wants and needs. So the guys can learn what to do. And yep, some women are self-conscious. They need to learn to be comfortable with their bodies and their sexuality. Women's bodies are very capable of orgasming; it's just that women's orgasms are more complex than men's orgasms and what works for one woman may not work for another.

Yeah

This just isn't true. The guy very well may be trying, but he may be trying the same stuff that got his last partner off, which may not work for his current partner. Also, a guy may try to get his partner off, but is so turned on, he ends up finishing before she does. It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it.

Then he can continue after he finished ? With his mouth ? His hands ? Where’s the big deal ?

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Yes ? You’re masturbating ? Where’s the sex ? Have YOU ever had sex ?

I said masturbating after sex if the woman hasn't had an orgasm and wants to. The sex is before the masturbating, when the penis is in the vagina. I've been clear that I have been talking about masturbation following sex.

It’s still physically possible for women to orgasm from piv alone. They may be morally incapable or consciously uncomfortable. But the female body is capable.

Yep, it's possible, but only a minority of women can do it and it's not because of being "morally incapable" or "consciously uncomfortable." It is because a woman's clitoris needs to be stimulated to achieve orgasm. When a woman is able to orgasm from penetration alone, it is because she is receiving enough indirect stimulation of her clitoris to climax. Again, a minority of women experience this- roughly 25 percent.

The majority of women can also orgasm from piv alone.

This is actually the opposite of true and so well known that I am not going to bother with links.

Then he can continue after he finished ? With his mouth ? His hands ? Where’s the big deal ?

Well, he can. It depends on the guy. Some guys will continue with their hand(s) or mouth. Some guys are done and aren't aroused anymore after orgasm. If the woman decides to finish herself off though, the man may rejoin her to help due to the action being arousing for the man.

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I said masturbating after sex if the woman hasn't had an orgasm and wants to.

Why can’t she have an orgasm with him ? You hate yourself so much that you could’ve stop in the middle of sex and demand to be pleasured ? How idiotic is that ?

The sex is before the masturbating, when the penis is in the vagina.

Why you have to masturbate if you’re having sex ??

I've been clear that I have been talking about masturbation following sex.

Doesn’t make sense at all.

Yep, it's possible, but only a minority of women can do it and it's not because of being "morally incapable" or "consciously uncomfortable." It is because a woman's clitoris needs to be stimulated to achieve orgasm.

Not necessarily no. Women have two kinds of orgasms. Vaginal and from the clitoris. The vaginal one is followed by stimulating the G spot. And clitoris one with using hands and mouth and having techniques. If you didn’t know about that. Then you should. You can’t say that women can’t. It makes them incapable. Which is not true. They can but they don’t want to. It’s because of the different factors we talked about.

When a woman is able to orgasm from penetration alone, it is because she is receiving enough indirect stimulation of her clitoris to climax.

Not true again. The existence of the G spot is inside the vaginal canal about 2 inches deep. When stimulated good enough with the penis or fingers. There’s an orgasm guaranteed.

Again, a minority of women experience this- roughly 25 percent.

Stop making up stats. And stop basing your thinking on these stats that followed by a group of people and not the minority. Maybe stop putting yourself in these 25% and you’ll have an orgasm.

This is actually the opposite of true and so well known that I am not going to bother with links.

Not known. It believed to be known. Again. Studies are done on a group of people it means let’s say 300 people. There’s 3 billion women in the world. Not even close to the majority. I’m sorry if you believed your whole life that you can’t orgasm from piv. This is really sad and manipulative.

Some guys are done and aren't aroused anymore after orgasm.

Then these are shitty guys. Nobody should sleep with them.

If the woman decides to finish herself off though, the man may rejoin her to help due to the action being arousing for the man.

Oh so everything is about the man now ? The sex is about the man ? Are you listening to yourself ? He didn’t care about you when he finished why are tou interested in arousing him again when he should participate as much as tou participated in the sex ? Just wow

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Why can’t she have an orgasm with him ? You hate yourself so much that you could’ve stop in the middle of sex and demand to be pleasured ? How idiotic is that ?

I feel like I'm talking to a virgin. The average time it takes from arousal to orgasm for a woman is over twice the average time for men. That, combined with women usually not being able to orgasm with penetration alone, is why women sometimes don't orgasm with men.

Why you have to masturbate if you’re having sex ??

My original comment: Sex is enjoyable even without orgasm and, if she's worked up, she can just finish herself off afterward. Orgasms are wonderful but the journey to them is pretty great too.

Not necessarily no. Women have two kinds of orgasms. Vaginal and from the clitoris. The vaginal one is followed by stimulating the G spot. And clitoris one with using hands and mouth and having techniques. If you didn’t know about that. Then you should. You can’t say that women can’t. It makes them incapable. Which is not true. They can but they don’t want to. It’s because of the different factors we talked about.

You need to educate yourself. Start here:

When you’re stimulating the G spot, you’re actually stimulating part of the clitoris

Not true again. The existence of the G spot is inside the vaginal canal about 2 inches deep. When stimulated good enough with the penis or fingers. There’s an orgasm guaranteed.

Refer to link above. Simulating the G spot is stimulation of the clitoris.

Stop making up stats. And stop basing your thinking on these stats that followed by a group of people and not the minority. Maybe stop putting yourself in these 25% and you’ll have an orgasm.

I'm not making up stats. And who said I can't have an orgasm? I never said that. But your sentence makes no sense anyway. I said 25 percent DO experience orgasm through penetration alone.

Not known. It believed to be known. Again. Studies are done on a group of people it means let’s say 300 people. There’s 3 billion women in the world. Not even close to the majority. I’m sorry if you believed your whole life that you can’t orgasm from piv. This is really sad and manipulative.

If you are going to disregard well-known facts, there is no point in debating with you. And I never said zero women can orgasm from penetration alone; I said roughly 25 percent can. The article I linked above quotes a study that found that 17 percent of female participants could. Variance is normal based on sample size but the findings are clear that it's a minority of women. And I never said anything about my personal ability to orgasm.

Then these are shitty guys. Nobody should sleep with them.

It's biology. From this link:

"Immediately after an orgasm, Hochberger says, people with penises will likely want to retire. "Half of their erection is lost immediately, and they feel like this intense relaxation, they feel drowsiness, and then they go into this refractory period where they can't get an erection."

"An interesting 2003 study on the side effects of the post-orgasmic state focused on longer-term consequences — and the results were a bit unusual. After a mind-blowing orgasm, it seems, the body's pleasure receptors, those that produce the chemical dopamine (which controls our pleasure and reward centers), get slightly tired out. The theory is currently that the body literally depletes itself after a serious orgasm, particularly in people with penises. It's called sexual exhaustion, and it seems to be all in the brain: the scientists, who were working with male rats, could make them feel revitalized and full of lust again by fiddling with their neurotransmitters. But if you don't feel like having sex again for several days after a particularly good orgasm, science isn't surprised: your brain chemistry seems to need to recover. And if your dopamine receptors aren't recovering well, you may actually become angry and angsty."

Oh so everything is about the man now ?

No, my literal point at the beginning was that a woman can finish herself off if she wants an orgasm after sex. That's taking control of her own sexual pleasure.

The sex is about the man ?

It's about both parties. Just because I said the man may join back in doesn't mean it's all about the man.

Are you listening to yourself ?

Yep and it's obvious I am the only one doing so.

He didn’t care about you when he finished why are tou interested in arousing him again when he should participate as much as tou participated in the sex ? Just wow

I didn't say the main point of masturbating was to arouse the man again. In fact, I said that masturbating would be if the woman wanted orgasm and didn't get one. I was just saying that it may also result in the man being aroused again. And again, biology. There's a difference between a man who shows no interest in giving his partner pleasure at all and a man who is done with sex after orgasm. A man who shows no interest in giving his partner pleasure at all is selfish and, I agree, a woman shouldn't have sex with him. But a man who tried to give his partner pleasure but ended up finishing first, that's just life. It happens. A man shouldn't be demonized for it. And biology dictates that he is usually "done" with sex. Not every man is like that, but a lot of them are. I don't want a man trying to get me off who isn't aroused anymore.

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All of this is still subjective especially in a world full of contraceptives and access to healthcare. I am in no way advocating unsafe sex. What I am saying is that sometimes you just want to have sex and not want to think about the emotions/feelings/future. I strongly believe that sex has the potential to feel so good because it is our conduit for reproduction but it doesn't have to in this day and age.

And by nature, if you mean natural, then the nature of sex is not to induce intimacy. It is to create offspring. The notion of sex as solely being intimate is a fairly new notion within human history.

And all of that being said, I am sure of and respect everyone's right to deny sex and to stay celibate. But at the same time, telling all of womanhood to not have sex for no good reason isn't the answer either.

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Creating offspring alone is pretty intimate IMO, but also, consensual sex usually means caring about another person's pleasure in particular. I guess there is such a thing as "scratching an itch with random human" sex... but how many women do you know who are freely seeking that without regret? I can't think of a single one! I'd even go so far as to say it's pretty much a male thing. I don't know how much this has to do with modern societal norms, versus how much is from biology. Nature versus nurture is an age old question. What makes YOU think intimacy is a modern idea?

for no good reason

Wait what. I'm pretty sure there are several good reasons to wait, very damn good ones. Did I not go over a few of those? Contraceptives are helpful to a very significant extent, but biology and society provide enough other good reasons to not have casual sex. Some women will choose the opposite of what I recommend, and that's okay. Either way, women need to be informed. I made a post on porn, too. I'm here for entertainment, but also for informational purposes. In a free society, the most we can do is inform ourselves as well as others. As long as men and women are fully informed on their decisions, I'm happy!

Reality will never be perfect. I'm sure there are few women who regretted waiting. I'm sure there are even more women who regret not having waited. Each woman has to make the choice for herself. I promote women being able to have choices. However, I'm not blind, so I can see that most women don't have much to gain from having sex with just any man. Objective logic can definitely be applied here in many cases. I can point out the choices, and women will decide what choice they want to live with. Some women will have regrets later. Oh well, I guess. I do the best I can.

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Umm... I think it's pretty obvious that kissing only spreads like very short-lived viruses and not potentially deadly or cancer-causing diseases. However, I don't recommend making out with various bar strangers either. Got to make sure they've been safe. COVID definitely taught us that one. Also, there are many other reasons in my comments. Not a personal distaste, but objective reasons why it's risky to sleep with people you don't know well. I do have a personal take, which is that my reputation is very important to me and I'm a sensitive soul. I don't let people get very close to me at all unless I trust them. Some other people have a higher appetite for risk than I do. That's fine, but after seeing my sister or my F-boy acquaintances in action, of course I don't think that high risk usually turns out well.

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Why can’t he make you finish ? Are he that incapable of making you finish using his body ?

I can't imagine any woman with sexual experience asking these two questions. Search "how often does a woman orgasm during sex" on Google and educate yourself. It's sometimes referred to as "the elusive female orgasm" for a reason. Women usually don't orgasm from penetration alone, which causes the imbalance between men and women in achieving orgasm.

If he can watch without performing whats the point ? That’s perversion. He enjoys the fact you only depend on yourself to finish and not him. That’s next level narcissism

I'm not sure what experience you have with men, but men are visual and like to watch visually stimulating things. A man who likes to watch a woman masturbate is perverted and a narcissist? That's ridiculous.

i really feel sorry for you. He can’t make you finish by himself. Sad.

Who ever said he couldn't? Some men can't, sure, and need guidance. But since most women can't orgasm with penetration alone, other things have to be done in order for her to reach orgasm. Sometimes, the man is so into what's going on, he finishes before the woman has a chance to. It happens. Doesn't mean the sex wasn't enjoyable.

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He didn't say slut, you just made that up.

He can’t judge people or women. Saying a certain group is better than the other is judgmental and shows low self esteem.

He used the mathematical sign for 'greater than' to denote that a woman who never did hookups is of greater value than a woman who did hookups and then stopped.

It doesn’t matter. The values of the gender that you should base your opinions on are on how they communicate with you and on how they are with you not judging their past or what did they do before you. That’s makes you an hypocrite.

He didn't explicity say ''in the eyes of a man, for the purposes of having a family' but that is what he meant. I would bet my life that that is what he meant.

You don’t know what he meant. You didn’t read his mind. Stop making assumptions.

It doesn't matter that you think it's sexism. Women who sleep around are viewed by men as lower value, deal with it.

Men who sleep around are also viewed by women to be lower value. But we keep that to our inner self we don’t talk about it because it’s their past and we shouldn’t judge people based on that.

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He can’t judge people or women. Saying a certain group is better than the other is judgmental and shows low self esteem.

Everyone judges other people, including you, if you claim otherwise you are a liar. Liars are bad in my judgement, do you also judge lying to be bad? Even saying that being judgemental 'shows low self esteem' is a judgement.

It doesn't matter. The values of the gender you should base your opinions on are how they communicate with you and how they are with you not judgeing their past or what they do before you

Neither of us care what you think of the topic, and again, you are judging. You are saying that what I am doing is wrong and I should do something else that you want, you are judging my behaviour. You whine about judgement but your entire reply is nothing but a string of judgements.

You don't know what he meant. You didn't read his mind. Stop making assumptions

You also made assumptions about what he meant and put words in his mouth. The difference is, my assumptions are actually correct. Your level of hypocrist in this reply is staggering.

Men who sleep around are also viewed by women to be lower value.

No they aren't. Preselection is the most powerful female attraction trigger, it trumps looks, it trumps status and it trumps money. Being a known winner in the dating game is a much bigger value boost for a man than being a virgin. Being a virgin will usually get you mocked as a man.

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I will always support people doing what they want I life but I just posted an FDS pink pill which generally says--

FWB is a scam. It is one step lower than forever girlfriend. This "arrangement" is often not based on friendship at all.

You're the person worth sleeping with but not dating. Since they rather someone warm their bed instead of waiting for the one they want, often times you see fwbs hurt because he the one he wanted showed up in his life.

What's the difference between FWB type women and relationship-tier women? Men discuss this openly while lying as if all women are created equal

Lying to oneself because you don't ask the tough questions is how people fall for this scam. Don't do it if you don't know yourself. You're fooling no one.

And OP is right. At least when your man doesn't make you cum, there are other things you can enjoy while you two work at it. A lot of "FWB" see no reason to put the effort into pleasure the way they don't put effort into anything else. It is a scam. Don't do this.

Edit: I do consider this under the umbrella of hook ups.

Edit 2: FDS mods took removed this post but the comment section is worth reading and high IQ OP already saved and posted.

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I think this classic scenario definitely happens.

This scenario is aggravated by modern culture in that in many of these cases, the woman never had a high enough SMP rank to have a chance with that guy. However, a lot of the current culture teaches women to think they have a higher SMV than they do, so the women actually think they are on the same level and have a chance at a relationship.

When I was in high school and college, a lot of average girls that were my friends, had a very reflexive repulsion to guys much hotter than they were asking them out. They'd up front tell me that this guy was out of their league, and thus must have just been looking for easy sex. Even when these girls were down for easy NSA sex, they still usually didn't want it with that guy because they secretly knew he's not really be desiring them as much as his regulars. He was dumpster diving.

But it's different today.

That said, don't get me wrong. There is a whole swath of even the USA where things are a bit more traditional in the sense that most girls will almost always want commitment with sex. And where all guys know that, but abuse them anyways in a classic way. I think your posts are useful in that they remind us that the entirety of America is not running on the sexual morays of an upper-middle class Party College. A lot of the traditional sexual dynamics, including traditional means of male abuse of women, still happen all over the US every day.

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No, you don't agree with me because my position isn't one concerned about degeneracy. If men as a class were adamant about maintaining some kind of hook up etiquette and dignity in the whole thing, I would be less likely to care about this.

But they are not. While a few guys are very sweet and would never dream to abuse another person, the stories I hear about the women they fuck but won't commit to makes me sound the alarm. It is why I believe in women getting their pound of flesh in terms of time and investment up front because a guy who nutted got his and whatever emotional aftermath she is left with is her problem.

No sir. We are not on the same page at all.

BTW I grew up in a very conservative household. I don't take fake trads seriously. Men who are really about that life carry themselves in a similar way.

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Women do love good sex already. The term "dickmatized" exists to define the experience of a women so overwhelmed with the good sex of a man, she overlooks all common sense. You can become a weaponized pick-me when a good lover enters your life even if he turns out to be absolutely trash in every other conceivable way.

Problem is this is not something a woman can assume about any man. Because many of them are so low effort. So in addition to all the risks, finding this by sleeping around could take a while. Not only are you emotionally overspending, men enforce a stigma on n-count too so this really isn't worth it for the average woman.

To your first note, a woman is only fair game if she opens the door to fuckery. Which is why I agree with the OP. Let these men starve. Save sex for your man. The guy you think is worthy.

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Maybe so. But since a lot are just young women who keep being told by MEN that this is how they get relationships as well as being told my sex positive WOMEN that this is empowering, people are confused.

Sorry but women should have the brain-power to learn from repeated failures. Maybe a young nubile getting spurned or used for the first time. But these are women pushing 30 wondering why they keep getting used like kleenex.

And no, most won't likely see a therapist for one reason or another. So they will figure it out. Like people do.

Well, going online and blaming men for their personal failings is not going to solve anything.

Please relax and take your hostility to someone responsible for your frustration with women. Not me. Thanks.

There was nothing personal in my post(s) there towards you. If you wish to take things personally, be my guest. But people telling me what to do or where to go or how to play can kindly piss off.

If you can't handle the heat in this kitchen try Tik Tok.

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If that were true, it would be easy and costless for women to stop. It isn't, so you don't.

Humans are curious creatures. But some are just dumb.

Whether you want to admit it or not, women do get something out of the arragement, which is the ability of average women to have sex with very attractive men.

It’s really not that hard to get an attractive man as an average woman as much as you make it seem like. Maybe it may be different for you but I’ve seen a lot of ugly women with super beautiful guys. And i don’t even understand why. Sex has nothing to do with this.

You're free to say it's not all it's cracked up to be, you're free to say it's a false economy in the long run, and I would tend to agree (to the extent that I can make such a judgement as a man).

It’s benefiting the patriarchy.

If you want to make any headway at all with this plan, you need to be honest about what women have to give up to get there, it is not costless.

It is costless. Women have just to attend to the hookup and that’s it. I don’t know how hard would it be to just stay at home and watch tv for example rather then go there for nothing

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Yeah well in that case the woman should know the guy beforehand. She can’t have sex with strangers because she won’t expect much out of it. So hooking up is bad anyways.

While I have never liked the idea of hooking up with strangers, I still recognize that other women enjoy it and wish to pursue it. Everyone is different and we all have our preferences. It seems like you want to push your view of hookups onto all women but not all women think like you. If a woman enjoys hooking up, she should do it. If she doesn't enjoy hooking up, then she most definitely should not.

You know that these strangers once they cum they tell you goodbye ? They won’t wait for you.

Well, it doesn't make sense to wait to ask for an orgasm until after the man has finished if an orgasm is desired. I'm not sure what your point is. If a woman doesn't want to go through with a hookup unless she's going to, for sure, orgasm, she should ask for the orgasm before the man finishes.

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While I have never liked the idea of hooking up with strangers, I still recognize that other women enjoy it and wish to pursue it. Everyone is different and we all have our preferences. It seems like you want to push your view of hookups onto all women but not all women think like you. If a woman enjoys hooking up, she should do it. If she doesn't enjoy hooking up, then she most definitely should not.

That’s not my point if she gets something off of it then hell yeah but if that something doesn’t include sexual pleasure then i don’t know what.

Well, it doesn't make sense to wait to ask for an orgasm until after the man has finished if an orgasm is desired. I'm not sure what your point is. If a woman doesn't want to go through with a hookup unless she's going to, for sure, orgasm, she should ask for the orgasm before the man finishes.

Why should she wait ? Or demand even ? He can use his body for her

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I'm not contradicting myself. I said having sex is pleasurable even without orgasm. You asked who says that and I said women say that. I never said only women, but I wasn't speaking about men's sexual experience at all. You brought up men.

I compared men because i never heard them say that. Why makes it reasonable for women to say that without men when they are both human beings with the same genital functions ? It makes it seem like bullshit. There’s no evidence in science at all that women can have sex without orgasming ? I think that’s a you problem.

Yes, it is true that if sex didn't feel good at all until orgasm, nobody would orgasm. The buildup of pleasure is what causes an orgasm.

Yeah

I didn't say only women. We were discussing women and I said women say that. Men experience orgasm more often than women during intercourse simply because of how they physically achieve orgasm.

Why making up this double standard then ? They can achieve orgasm easily there’s nothing wrong with their bodies. And there’s nothing wrong with ours. Every woman that says she can’t orgasm it’s her own problem. You don’t decide for all woman how they can or can not orgasm. It’s their own experiences. Their own thinking.

I don't believe you would find very many men who would say the sex leading up to orgasm isn't pleasurable.

But you’re saying you’re not orgasming so basically you’re not enjoying the leading up to orgasm ? Where’s the pleasure in not orgasming when there is when it’s leading to it.

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I compared men because i never heard them say that. Why makes it reasonable for women to say that without men when they are both human beings with the same genital functions ? It makes it seem like bullshit. There’s no evidence in science at all that women can have sex without orgasming ? I think that’s a you problem.

Penises are different from vaginas. The journey to orgasm is different for men and women. And I never said I couldn't orgasm during sex.

Why making up this double standard then ? They can achieve orgasm easily there’s nothing wrong with their bodies. And there’s nothing wrong with ours. Every woman that says she can’t orgasm it’s her own problem. You don’t decide for all woman how they can or can not orgasm. It’s their own experiences. Their own thinking.

I'm not making up double standards. It's fact that most women can't orgasm with penetration alone. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with their bodies. It's normal for women. Women need clitoral stimulation to achieve orgasm. There is nothing wrong with that; it's how our bodies are designed. If a woman cannot orgasm with clitoral stimulation, then yes, she may have a problem. But I'm not deciding things for all women, although it sure sounds like you are trying to.

But you’re saying you’re not orgasming so basically you’re not enjoying the leading up to orgasm ? Where’s the pleasure in not orgasming when there is when it’s leading to it.

I said if the woman doesn't orgasm, she can finish herself off. IF. 60-75 percent of women orgasm during sex, so that means 25-40 percent don't. Of those women that DO orgasm, only about 25 percent were able to achieve orgasm with penetration alone. Which means 35-50 percent of women achieve orgasm during sex because hands and/or mouth were used as well. If a woman doesn't orgasm, it doesn't mean she didn't enjoy the sex. It just means the man finished before she climaxed. If this is an issue for the woman, I advocate getting the woman off before intercourse so that the man doesn't inadvertently finish before the woman does.

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So I wanted to say something as a man. I love having sex and truly enjoy it without finishing. Because of who I am, there are many times I do not cumm. I absolutely love pleasing a woman and enjoy the intimacy of sex way more than having an orgasm. The only reason I say this is because in the discussion, it came up that nobody has heard a man say this. Well I'm saying it. I know of many men who feel this way too. Another point you made about the majority of women not being able to achieve orgasm through PIV. this is both true and not true. Every woman I have been with who said they couldn't, soon found out they very much could. Many men do not know how to make a woman have an orgasm this way and many women do not know their own bodies well enough to know how to accomplish this. As a man who truly loves pleasuring a woman, I have learned as much as I possibly can about how to pleasure a woman. Men do not understand that if you want a woman to truly enjoy a sexual encounter, it must begin hours before you are in the bedroom together and it begins with being intimate with her mind. Also, many men do not understand that bringing a woman to orgasm is not a race, it requires a very soft and rather slow touch at first.

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It’s really not that hard to get an attractive man as an average woman as much as you make it seem like. Maybe it may be different for you but I’ve seen a lot of ugly women with super beautiful guys. And i don’t even understand why.

Numbers are a thing, there simply are not enough good looking guys for every woman to get one. If you all want one, you will have to share. Sharing can either be explicit (polygamy) or it can be de facto (hookup culture). Our society has gone the hookup culture route. If women hold out for commitment before sex, then each attractive man will have to pick one woman and will then no longer be available. Women holding out on sex doesn't create more high value men.

It is costless. Women have just to attend to the hookup and that's it. I don't know how hard it be just tay and home and watch tv for example rather then go their for nothing

It's not nothing, you speak as though women do not have a sex drive, and as though sex holds zero value to them. This is false, women want to have sex, not as much as men, but they do want it.

Humans are curious creatures. But some are just dumb.

It's funny, I get called a misogynist, yet I give women a little more credit than that. I think women participate in hookup culture because they get something out of the arrangement, not because they are stupid.

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Numbers are a thing, there simply are not enough good looking guys for every woman to get one. If you all want one, you will have to share. Sharing can either be explicit (polygamy) or it can be de facto (hookup culture). Our society has gone the hookup culture route. If women hold out for commitment before sex, then each attractive man will have to pick one woman and will then no longer be available. Women holding out on sex doesn't create more high value men.

So you insinuate that most men are unattractive and ugly ?

It's not nothing, you speak as though women do not have a sex drive, and as though sex holds zero value to them. This is false, women want to have sex, not as much as men, but they do want it.

I understand. I want sex too we have needs too. But they already know they won’t have fun they won’t orgasm. And they don’t know the guy. So what’s appealing ?

It's funny, I get called a misogynist, yet I give women a little more credit than that.

Well seems like the turned tables

I think women participate in hookup culture because they get something out of the arrangement, not because they are stupid.

Yeah i still don’t see the thing they are getting out of.

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So you insinuate that most men are unattractive and ugly ?

It's not up to me, you must have seen the data from OKCupid showing women think 85% of men are less attractive than medium. Even if we ignore that though and assume a normal distribution, there are few attractive people. Most people are average, there are some attractive ones and some ugly ones. If all women want an above average guy you have to share, like I said.

they already know they won't have fun and won't orgasm

You're assuming a lot of things there. You assume that sex isn't fun unless you orgasm, you also assume that women are making these decisions rationally. If there is one area of human activity that is less governed by rationality than this I don't now what it is.

Ultimately they must be getting something out of it, people don't repeatedly do things if they get nothing out of it.

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It's not up to me, you must have seen the data from OKCupid showing women think 85% of men are less attractive than medium. Even if we ignore that though and assume a normal distribution, there are few attractive people. Most people are average, there are some attractive ones and some ugly ones. If all women want an above average guy you have to share, like I said.

Not really. There will always be cute guys and attractive people anywhere and everywhere enough for all women.

You're assuming a lot of things there. You assume that sex isn't fun unless you orgasm, you also assume that women are making these decisions rationally.

If course. Because it’s a natural bodily response to express orgasms in a state of pleasure. Women that don’t have some blocking them somewhere. I don’t see guys talking about enjoying sex without orgasming ? Cuz it’s nonsense

If there is one area of human activity that is less governed by rationality than this I don't now what it is.

Everything is rational even sex. That’s the purpose of reproduction. People have been doing it for ages. It’s rational. Normal. Even animals have sex. It’s not a big deal. I don’t know why you make it seem like something so out of this world.

Ultimately they must be getting something out of it, people don't repeatedly do things if they get nothing out of it.

They do. That’s why people get high and turn to drugs more even if it’s bad for them. And everything else. People with issues wouldn’t see the issues themselves. They need help from exterior to acknowledge what they are doing is wrong. They are not capable of seeing it themselves.

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Not really. There will always be cute guys and attractive people anywhere and everywhere enough for all women.

Yes, enough for all women if you share. There is not 1 attractive guy to marry each woman, I can't actually believe I have to spell this out. In order for that to be the case, every man would need to be attractive, since there are roughly the same number of men and women. Honestly if you can't understand something so basic I'm not sure what the purpose of continuing this discussion is.

Everything is rational even sex

Again, if you exist in a state of delusion of such magnitude where you could believe that, I just don't know what to say. There is no area of human activity where higher reasoning faculties are so easily overthrown by impulse and passion as the sexual. People just are not carefully calculating cost/benefits here, they are just driven by their by the base emotions.

That's why people get high and turn to drugs more even if it's bad for them

People do drugs because it feels good, they get something out of it. They are trading pleasure for long term damage to mind and body, a foolish trade to be sure, but you cannot say they get no benefit. The benefit is the pleasure of taking the drugs. Drug addicts know perfectly well that what they rare doing is bad, smokers know smoking is bad. It's not lack of awareness, they choose to deceive themselves on the topic.

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Yes, enough for all women if you share. There is not 1 attractive guy to marry each woman, I can't actually believe I have to spell this out. In order for that to be the case, every man would need to be attractive, since there are roughly the same number of men and women. Honestly if you can't understand something so basic I'm not sure what the purpose of continuing this discussion is.

You’re making no sense at all.

Again, if you exist in a state of delusion of such magnitude where you could believe that, I just don't know what to say. There is no area of human activity where higher reasoning faculties are so easily overthrown by impulse and passion as the sexual. People just are not carefully calculating cost/benefits here, they are just driven by their by the base emotions.

Tell that to the virgins and people who are religious. You’re delusional my friend if you think you can’t control your basic emotions. Then you may need help. And that’s a red flag.

People do drugs because it feels good, they get something out of it. They are trading pleasure for long term damage to mind and body, a foolish trade to be sure, but you cannot say they get no benefit. The benefit is the pleasure of taking the drugs. Drug addicts know perfectly well that what they rare doing is bad, smokers know smoking is bad. It's not lack of awareness, they choose to deceive themselves on the topic.

Okay ? That’s what i was saying ?

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"During the Epiphany Phase a woman’s inner and outer dialog is self-excusing, virtuously self-educational, and self-congratulatory."

"It’s during this stage that women will make radical shifts in their prioritization of what prerequisite traits qualify as “attractive” in a man and attempt to turn over a new leaf by changing up their behaviors to align with this new “do-it-right-girl” persona they create for themselves."

"For the metaphysically inclined woman (which is to say most women) this may manifest in a convenient return to religious convictions she’d disregarded or abandoned in her Party Years. For other’s it may be some kind of self-enforced celibacy — a refusal to have sex under the Hypergamic auspices of her Party Years in the hopes that a well provisioning male will appreciate her for her “newfound” prudence, so unlike how she used to be and all the other girls who rejected him over the last decade. The self-affirming psychological schema is one where she’s “finally doing the right thing,” or she’s determined to make a fresh start “the right way this time,” when in fact she’s simply making the necessity of her long-term security a virtue she hopes the “right” men will appreciate. And if they don’t, then there’s always the social convention of shaming them to think they’re “less-than-men” for not forgiving her of eating her cake once she’s had it too."

Source: Tomassi, R. The Rational Male Volume 2

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Women are the most desired gender.

There's only two......... and mostly because men desire sex more than women, not because women are "more desirable."

And we are desired on a daily basis in every other aspect in life. It’s wrong to assume that we are desiring men to desire us when we are already desired by them. It doesn’t work that way.

It does work that way. Women don't care if men desire them because they already get enough validation as it is. However, the ones that don't are always looking for validation in some form, whether it be posting pics of themselves online, dressing for attention, or dating.

The pleasure is absent for the woman in the hookup too.

I'm pretty sure women wouldn't be continually hooking up if they weren't getting anything out of it. You're trying to tell those women what they get out of it.

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There's only two.........

I’m aware….

and mostly because men desire sex more than women, not because women are "more desirable."

Then men are hypocrites because they want sex but they decide to not engage in sex.

It does work that way. Women don't care if men desire them because they already get enough validation as it is. However, the ones that don't are always looking for validation in some form, whether it be posting pics of themselves online, dressing for attention, or dating.

Well yeah these have low self esteem they should seek therapy than having sex with strangers.

I'm pretty sure women wouldn't be continually hooking up if they weren't getting anything out of it.

You’d be surprised.

You're trying to tell those women what they get out of it.

Until proven incorrect i still stand my point

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Doesn't sound like it.

Um i said the most desirable gender ? It means from both genders the women are more desirable ? Did you stop to think for a second or what ? One sex is called gender two sexes are plural of genders.

What?

They don’t perform in sex while hooking up.

I agree but does that mean all women having casual sex also have low self-esteem and the others don't, or just that women still like having sex casually?

I think it’s the man’s problem if men cared enough in the hookup then things would’ve changed a bit but for right now it’s more convenient for a woman to just stop the hookups.

What do you mean "proven incorrect?" Did you prove yourself correct yet? I didn't see that to be the case. Your post is an opinion.

You didn’t give me any counter argument neither that proves otherwise ? So do you agree or not ?

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There are confounding variables here. Atheists are more likely to be college educated and middle class, protestants are more likely to be uneducated and working class.

This source claims otherwise, it states that college students can be divided into 3 nearly equal groups, 32% are true believers, 32% are spiritual but not religious, and 28% consider themselves secular. Keep in mind America is actually a very religious country (by western standards), and atheists are a minority. So I doubt that they'd dominate colleges to such a degree.

Basically, there exist competing pools within the protestant cohort, that are throwing off results. One pool is hyper prone to divorce, the other pool gets married as virgins and doesn't divorce at all.

I don't want to say that variables don't matter, because they obviously do, however, I do want to say that the variables are likely spread out enough that they can be considered fair enough as to not warp data too significantly.

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You realize that those women are fantasizing about being the victim which concerns me less than a man fantasizing about being the perpetrator?

You also realize that fantasies ≠ real life sexual behavior?

I'd prefer to have sex with a dude and make sure he's not gonna throw me some whacky curve balls BEFORE I legally commit myself to him, thanks.

Porn has nothing to do with rape kinks. Most mainstream porn isn't rapey. Consensual rough and wild isn't rapey.

"Forced" might mean "firm/forceful" not "forced against my will while I cry and scream." I didn't read those studies but I don't think most women actually wanna experience being raped or pseudo raped via some roleplay. I'm sure some do, I'm also sure they're a minority.

And yes, it did happen. I had a bf suggest rape roleplay while we were having sex after a year of dating. I'm very glad I found that out BEFORE I married him. He can go date someone who isn't freaked out by that, and I'm with someone who's got enough sense to not pester me about trying rape roleplay until I cave.

A woman wanting to feel comfortable in bed with a man before she commits herself isn't a threat to you, or anyone else. It helps the woman feel safe, the dude gets laid, nobody gets hurt, what's the problem?

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You brought up fantasies. I don't care about people's fantasies, provided they keep the ones about raping ME to themselves.

A third of the women fantasized about something where they're in control, cuz it's in their head. That does NOT mean a third of women wanna do rape roleplay.

I participated cuz he nagged me so much and I was trying to shut him up. That was a mistake. But many women do stuff to appease men like this. And rather than telling the dudes to fuck off, we shame the women for not "being true to themselves." It's kinda lame.

I did read your original comment. He brought up the rape roleplay thing DURING SEX. He wouldn't have brought it up if I hadn't had sex with him. He wouldn't have had the confidence.

It was like a year into dating too. How would waiting to have sex with him have prevented him from throwing me that curve ball? It wouldn't have. He would've told me eventually. I would've preferred to know sooner, and I think having sex with dudes gets them talking about their fantasies and desires more than avoiding sex for a long time.

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In my experience, in real life not just reading about it on r/sex, it's been dudes. If you go on FDS sub, most of them will agree with me. I'm not dumping it on dudes, relax, I'm saying I'd rather be aware of what kind of person they are in bed before I commit to them.

Where do you think the girls get the idea from? Usually it's some weird guy who they're trying to impress and look like the Cool Girl ™ who's down for everything. A lot of women on FDS talked about doing that when they were younger. I know I did. Early 20s mistakes. I could blame myself for not having a crystal ball and knowing what he'd throw at me after a year of dating, or I could blame him for asking me to do weird depraved things in the first place.

Again, it's not on the dudes, or the women, so don't think I'm attacking y'all. And I know FDS is massively unpopular on here, and I get why, it's toxic at times.

But I think the women claiming to be into the weird abusive stuff are trying to look cool and edgy for weird guys.

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This is for the best. Honestly women don’t get to receive much from a hookup other than some stds, a bad reputation and an overall bad experience on top of that you’re 100% not getting any orgasms, So why bother ?

If this were the case, no one would be interested in hookups, FWB, casual sexual relationships, etc. The fact that they do exist says that what you've described isn't every woman's experience. No one stops driving because accidents are a possibility and a man who bases reputation significantly on sexual experience isn't likely to appeal to a woman who believes her sexuality is as important as his.

What are you basing "100% not getting any orgasms" on?

So why bother ?

Because lots of women know what they want and how to get it responsibly, sex is healthy and very nice and not all men are children.

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I've never had a hookup, because I'm one of those people who need a foundation of friendship for sex to be a consideration. However, I don't think that...for the women who obviously enjoy them...it's as bleak a picture as you are trying to paint.

Stds are definitely a danger and safe sex practices should be used to protect as much as possible from the threat of getting them. This means getting vaccinated for the ones you can and always using condoms and/or vaginal dams. A bad reputation probably isn't a concern unless they're at a religious college in which case hookups are most likely rare anyway. As for 100% not getting orgasms, that doesn't sound correct. I believe most surveys have found that women experience orgasms 30-40% of the time in hookups and 70-80% in steady relationships. For a number of women it's not a guarantee regardless, unfortunately. It's not a guarantee for men either though, so I don't think this is a good reason.

Point is, some men and women really enjoy hookups. They're going to do it anyway. Just make sure it's all safe, sane, and consensual.

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Trigger warning for lurkers: this comment removes any concern of morality for a moment.

This doesn't describe the woman benefiting. It describes the woman "shooting her shot" with sex. This is a sexual audition. Sex is a powerful tool but you need to understand what you're using it on.

Her success depends on how Billy operates. Sadly, plenty of men can sleep with people they will never be with. This is why most femcels are against casual hookups like people recommend on here. Being a live flashlight doesn't mean you really have a chance.

This strategy has a better shot if this man is depressed or going through something or just got destroyed by yet another hot girl. Rebounds.

All sexual auditions

For pure female benefit, a purely sexual exchange with Chad would be all. Chad is rare, doesn't make you look bad, and if you're going to be pumped and dumped anyway, better it be with the genetic elite so risky accidental pregnancies aren't likely screwed for life.

In b4 "this awful girl again". All facts though

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Men are more animalistic/primal and territorial, thus value the basics more. Science agrees with men's thinking.

Well it’s said. The males in the animal kingdom are not all that good of an example.

Sex is a baseline, for when women have sex with a man, it's an act of submission.

What ?? How is something used to be the basic of reproduction becomes an act of submission ?? This is nonsense.

Also, when a women has consensual sex with a man, she "presents herself" physically and mentally.

Well i would like it to be that way but it’s not it’s more the man presenting himself in the hookup and doing nothing there sitting as a starfish while the woman doing all the job. So he can’t orgasm. I would consider a woman offering herself as to be the more pleasured. But it’s not the case.

For men, if "your women" is easily subdued or "presents herself" quickly, she will easily and quickly be unfaithful - which is proven by studies and statistics.

Men presents themselves easily. They are nearly begging for sex. And are the most to cheat so wrong

[–] Jakes1967 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Well it’s said. The males in the animal kingdom are not all that good of an example.

Doesn't matter does it?

What ?? How is something used to be the basic of reproduction becomes an act of submission ?? This is nonsense.

Nonsense to you maybe, but that's how the laws on rape work.

Well i would like it to be that way but it’s not it’s more the man presenting himself in the hookup and doing nothing there sitting as a starfish while the woman doing all the job.

You really need to improve on your sexual partners.

I would consider a woman offering herself as to be the more pleasured. But it’s not the case.

For a woman to orgasm, either industrial strength ability or time and effort are required. A few men have the former and fewer men do the latter for a hook up.

Men presents themselves easily.

Absolutely, it's what makes the market.

They are nearly begging for sex.

Nearly?

And are the most to cheat so wrong

Historically yes, but women have even the race and will soon be pulling ahead.

For a man to cheat, he needs options, for a woman to cheat, it needs to be a day ending in y.

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Doesn't matter does it?

It does. You all not functioning well.

Nonsense to you maybe, but that's how the laws on rape work.

Men get to be raped by women too. And it’s not related to the subject.

You really need to improve on your sexual partners.

Or maybe women should stop having hookups all together because men can’t change due to biology and been related to animals.

For a woman to orgasm, either industrial strength ability or time and effort are required. A few men have the former and fewer men do the latter for a hook up.

It’s not as hard as it seems. You just need practice. And patience. Does a big lion afraid of performing such an easy task ? You’re contradicting your primal ideas basically.

Absolutely, it's what makes the market.

In this case it’s men that are submitting lol.

Nearly?

I meant almost

Historically yes, but women have even the race and will soon be pulling ahead.

Not so sure about that. Men are controlled by their genitals they are incapable of thinking straight. They will alway seek other people.

For a man to cheat, he needs options, for a woman to cheat, it needs to be a day ending in y.

If a woman cheats she gets nothing out of it. If a man cheats he cums.

[–] Jakes1967 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It does. You all not functioning well.

We cum so nope, we're fulfilling our requirements, not yours.

Men get to be raped by women too. And it’s not related to the subject.

According to the law, only a man can commit the act of rape.

Or maybe women should stop having hookups all together because men can’t change due to biology and been related to animals.

Talk about a molecule in a torrent.

It’s not as hard as it seems. You just need practice. And patience.

Neither of which are worth the effort for a hook up.

Does a big lion afraid of performing such an easy task ?

This makes no sense

You’re contradicting your primal ideas basically.

Primal instinct = reproduction. Reproduction doesn't require the female to orgasm.

If your maker doesn't give a shit about you, why should men?

In this case it’s men that are submitting lol.

True and getting fulfilment

Not so sure about that. Men are controlled by their genitals they are incapable of thinking straight. They will alway seek other people.

It takes 2

If a woman cheats she gets nothing out of it. If a man cheats he cums.

Then why are women cheating in greater numbers?

[–] Correct_Leek_1875 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We cum so nope, we're fulfilling our requirements, not yours.

Exactly that’s the problem. When engaging in sex you both should engage. Weren’t you the one to say to say away from shitty partners ? So by that means women should stay away from you since you think as a shitty partner who doesn’t perform in bed ?

According to the law, only a man can commit the act of rape.

Oh well poor men victims then.

Talk about a molecule in a torrent.

Raising awareness it all it takes.

Neither of which are worth the effort for a hook up.

Women shouldn’t have hookups then. You’re giving me more reasons and proving my point.

The effort of a hookup in which you invite the woman for a dinner you’re still paying a bill.

But it’s worth a nice dinner some flowers some compliments i can say that women can benefit from that but apart from food i think it needs to be stopped.

This makes no sense

You’re an animal ? Act like one. Animals aren’t afraid of their nature.

Primal instinct = reproduction. Reproduction doesn't require the female to orgasm.

Yes it does. A female orgasm tend to direct the spermatozoide into the egg. From the wetness and the rush into the hole that wetness attract the sperm and it helps to chose the gender.

If your maker doesn't give a shit about you, why should men?

What ? What maker ? Dude. You came out from a vagina. A woman hold you in her stomach for 9 months. Women are the makers you’ve been made in somebody’s tummy. When all you were was a cell.

You need to give a shit about the place you were once in.

True and getting fulfilment

By themselves. Not caring about others. While paying for dinner.

It takes 2

Not really. You’re the one said men to be primal creatures.

Then why are women cheating in greater numbers?

Because men are bad in bed. But these women are further realising that men are bad in general. So they cheat more to find the good one. The HVM one.

[–] Jakes1967 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Exactly that’s the problem. When engaging in sex you both should engage.

Different markets

Weren’t you the one to say to say away from shitty partners ?

Absolutely

So by that means women should stay away from you since you think as a shitty partner who doesn’t perform in bed ?

Different markets, I don't do casual.

Oh well poor men victims then.

Maybe, but there goes your argument

Raising awareness it all it takes.

Yeah, definitely NOT

Women shouldn’t have hookups then. You’re giving me more reasons and proving my point.

I DON'T do or condone casual relationships.

The effort of a hookup in which you invite the woman for a dinner you’re still paying a bill.

Most hook ups are Netfix and chill, NOT dinner dates.

But it’s worth a nice dinner some flowers some compliments i can say that women can benefit from that but apart from food i think it needs to be stopped.

I think the man paying for the date needs to stop.

You’re an animal ? Act like one. Animals aren’t afraid of their nature.

We're supposed to be civilized, plus women keep telling us that acting on our nature isn't an excuse - so which is it?

Yes it does. A female orgasm tend to direct the spermatozoide into the egg. From the wetness and the rush into the hole that wetness attract the sperm and it helps to chose the gender.

Orgasm needed for ovulation, not reproduction

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/study-female-orgasm-might-be-evolutionary-leftover-180959973/

What ? What maker ?

OEM/Design Authority

Dude. You came out from a vagina.

Says who? Caesarion, vagina not included..

A woman hold you in her stomach for 9 months.

Belly, not stomach

Women are the makers you’ve been made in somebody’s tummy. When all you were was a cell.

Nope, much as women believe they are the creators, in realism they are just producing copies.

You need to give a shit about the place you were once in.

Been in a burning vehicle and effluent plant too, didn't give a shit about them either.

By themselves. Not caring about others. While paying for dinner.

By themselves doesn't require dinner...

Not really. You’re the one said men to be primal creatures.

Still takes 2

Because men are bad in bed.

Then join porn and get complete fulfilment, that'll take care of the relationship too

But these women are further realising that men are bad in general. So they cheat more to find the good one. The HVM one.

Yeah, not true, as most HVM won't touch cheaters.

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Different markets

Except men are the market in the dating pool. And women are the one picking and choosing.

Absolutely

So women should stay away from you according to your logic since you don’t care about their fulfilment.

Different markets, I don't do casual.

Well if you can make your gf or your SO cum then it says a lot about you.

Maybe, but there goes your argument

How ? You think men can’t be raped ?

Yeah, definitely NOT

Definitely is. At the same time as much as i explain it to you can’t view it when being a man. You’re unable to put yourself in other women’s shoes.

I DON'T do or condone casual relationships.

While saying « you don’t care about their sexual pleasure » yeah that’s a reason to stop the hookup from happening.

Most hook ups are Netfix and chill, NOT dinner dates.

Well even worse. Who would hookup in another stranger’s house. That’s like setting yourself up.

I think the man paying for the date needs to stop.

if the man stops paying then he should start to perform well in bed because you need to do something in return.

We're supposed to be civilized, plus women keep telling us that acting on our nature isn't an excuse - so which is it?

Well obviously you’re shitty in sex. Cats can smell a horny female miles away. And they are all ready to please her. She cums instantly. So if you start behaving like cats then maybe you’ll make some woman’s day. And change the aspect of the hookup.

Orgasm needed for ovulation, not reproduction

Not true. It has been talked about for ages. It’s even mentioned in some texts of the prophet Mohammed while talking about it. It existed before 1400 years ago.

Source : « A woman's capacity for sexual enjoyment is greater than a man's by 99 parts except Allah has made modesty so overbearing in women." - Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)Related by Aṭ-Ṭabarānī, as-Suyūṭī and al-Bayhaqī, in Shu ͑ab al-īmān

Umm Salama (Allah be pleased with her) relates that Umm Sulaym (Allah be pleased with her) came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said, “O Messenger of Allah, Surely, Allah is not shy of the truth. Is it necessary for a woman to take a ritual bath after she has a wet dream?” The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) replied: “Yes, if she notices a discharge.” Umm Salama covered her face and asked, “O Messenger of Allah! Does a woman have a discharge?” He replied: “Yes, let your right hand be in dust [an Arabic expression said light-heartedly to someone whose statement you contradict], how does the son resemble his mother?” (Sahih al-Bukhari 130) It’s not evolution. It always has been the case. Women are humans. And humans are supposed to have sex and be pleasured from it. Women even have a whole different organ only dedicated for orgasms and pleasure alone. So you think women started growing up clits over evolution ? Women have had clitorises since forever.

OEM/Design Authority

Yeah i still don’t understand that.

Says who? Caesarion, vagina not included..

Haha all babies come out from a vagina. You were created in one. In cases where the woman is unable to give birth then they have cesarian but it doesn’t change the truth.

Belly, not stomach

Okay

Nope, much as women believe they are the creators, in realism they are just producing copies.

Yeah they should start deleting all the bad copies and start making original ones. That can be achievable by finding a better quality sperm. But with the existing of so many copies it’s getting hard to find any good ones.

Been in a burning vehicle and effluent plant too, didn't give a shit about them either.

They are both essential in someone’s life.

By themselves doesn't require dinner...

You’re still performing by yourself when having sex while in a hookup. That’s why you barely focus on the woman.

Still takes 2

Okay

Then join porn and get complete fulfilment, that'll take care of the relationship too

Yeah that’s worse. Women should fuck only women.

Yeah, not true, as most HVM won't touch cheaters.

You’d be surprised

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Except men are the market in the dating pool. And women are the one picking and choosing.

That pool is getting smaller every year..

Well if you can make your gf or your SO cum then it says a lot about you.

It's called being an attentive lover

How ? You think men can’t be raped ?

Only by other men

While saying « you don’t care about their sexual pleasure » yeah that’s a reason to stop the hookup from happening.

Once again, I never did hook ups.

Well even worse. Who would hookup in another stranger’s house. That’s like setting yourself up.

Yet it happens

if the man stops paying then he should start to perform well in bed because you need to do something in return.

So dates are transactional?

Well obviously you’re shitty in sex.

Obviously

Cats can smell a horny female miles away. And they are all ready to please her. She cums instantly. So if you start behaving like cats then maybe you’ll make some woman’s day. And change the aspect of the hookup.

So lay around the house and act like an arsehole?

Not true. It has been talked about for ages.....

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/study-female-orgasm-might-be-evolutionary-leftover-180959973/

Yeah i still don’t understand that.

Women didn't design the human race.

Haha all babies come out from a vagina.

Not all

You were created in one.

Wrong, uterus

In cases where the woman is unable to give birth then they have cesarian but it doesn’t change the truth.

Nope, just the exit

Yeah they should start deleting all the bad copies and start making original ones.

It's called abortion

That can be achievable by finding a better quality sperm. But with the existing of so many copies it’s getting hard to find any good ones.

Nope, designer babies are a thing.

They are both essential in someone’s life.

So?

You’re still performing by yourself when having sex while in a hookup. That’s why you barely focus on the woman.

Yeah, not

Yeah that’s worse. Women should fuck only women.

Totally agree

You’d be surprised

No I won't

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That pool is getting smaller every year..

Hope so.

It's called being an attentive lover

I meant can’t*

Only by other men

Wow. You have a lot to learn then.

Once again, I never did hook ups.

Even relationships with you are due to failure.

Yet it happens

It proves how people are dumb

So dates are transactional?

Everything is transactional

Obviously

At least you admit

So lay around the house and act like an arsehole?

Aren’t you men doing that already ? Lmao

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/study-female-orgasm-might-be-evolutionary-leftover-180959973/

I mentioned literally a text of 1400 years ago. But keep on basing your opinions on ignorant studies done by people with or no experience at all. It doesn’t take two brain cells to know that women are born to orgasm. From the start. From Eve. I feel sad for you if you think it must be evolutionary. Women didn’t start growing clits yesterday. Learn how to please a woman then you can talk.

Women didn't design the human race.

They did.

Not all

All

Wrong, uterus

Still in a female body.

Nope, just the exit

You were created in a woman’s body and out of one.

It's called abortion

Obviously. We should start aborting men.

Nope, designer babies are a thing.

So are you. A bad design is forever a failure.

So?

So ?

Yeah, not

It’s true.

Totally agree

And turn yourself into gay.

No I won't

With a mind like that i’m not surprised. You’re the exact type of person that people should get away from

[–] Jakes1967 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hope so.

Pool of men is getting smaller

I meant can’t*

Odd how you're a virgin, but have an opinion on someone's abilities...

Wow. You have a lot to learn then.

We all have

Even relationships with you are due to failure.

After 31 years of marriage?

It proves how people are dumb

There's a point here?

Everything is transactional

Yes and no

I mentioned literally a text of 1400 years ago. But keep on basing your opinions on ignorant studies done by people with or no experience at all.

So like you?

They did.

Not even close

Still in a female body.

Just not the vagina

You were created in a woman’s body and out of one.

Nope, test tube baby

Obviously. We should start aborting men.

Hell yes. Love to see that happen.

So are you. A bad design is forever a failure.

As you've stated women are the designers...

And turn yourself into gay.

Nope, just stay single.

With a mind like that i’m not surprised. You’re the exact type of person that people should get away from

I'll tell the wife.

[–] Correct_Leek_1875 0 points 1 point 2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Pool of men is getting smaller

Great.

Odd how you're a virgin, but have an opinion on someone's abilities...

Odd how you have opinions about hookups while you’ve never had them.

We all have

Men get raped by women. Learn that.

After 31 years of marriage?

Poor wife still thinks she can orgasm in a month or two.

There's a point here?

Of course.

Yes and no

Yes and yes

So like you?

Huh ?

Not even close

Try to bare a child in your inexistant uterus for 9 months then we can talk

Just not the vagina

They come out from a vagina.

Nope, test tube baby

Wow you’re special.

Hell yes. Love to see that happen.

Me too.

As you've stated women are the designers...

Yes some are bad designs. Shit happens. Trouble in paradise.

Nope, just stay single.

Your wife will leave you for a woman.

I'll tell the wife.

I’m sure she knows already

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Women should stop having hookups

Hook up culture has been around for centuries, it's just more accepted today.

Hook up culture reached a peak in the 1920s, during WW2 and only started gaining acceptance in the 1960s and 70s.

Honestly women don’t get to receive much from a hookup other than some stds, a bad reputation and an overall bad experience on top of that you’re 100% not getting any orgasms, So why bother ?

As with any endorphin based activity, it's all about the rush...

I think it’s bad for any woman doing that and i think we should just stop having sex until we get into relationship or mariage. This is the way.

Agreed, but those days are gone forever, women believe they can; "have sex like a man" and get away with zero consequences, science and evidence to the contrary be damned.

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And it was bad from the start.

It has always been an act of defiance and not really about the physical sexual act.

It was still bad for women and it still is.

Yet they do it more and more...

No. Not really i could understand if there’s some orgasms but other than that we can have some endorphin from doing sky dive or any other stuff that we like.

I used to skydive, until one time I jumped whilst on some heavy anti-anxiety meds, without a doubt it was one of the most boring exercises around - last time I jumped (plus broken ankle).

Just like skydiving, without the rush it becomes a list of tasks.

The problem is men are so bad in hookups that’s why women should stop having sex with them

Not that the men women choose for casual sex, just see them as cum receptacles? Men are into casual sex, for the conquest and act of sex only. During casual sex, the fulfilment of the women's needs, doesn't even enter most men's minds.

Men view casual relationships as cum and go, with as little investment as possible.

[–]Correct_Leek_1875 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It has always been an act of defiance and not really about the physical sexual act.

Yeah adultery and all.

Yet they do it more and more...

That’s why I’m speaking about it…

I used to skydive, until one time I jumped whilst on some heavy anti-anxiety meds, without a doubt it was one of the most boring exercises around - last time I jumped (plus broken ankle).

Awww hope you’re doing great now. I’ve never skydived before. It’s been my dream since forever.

Just like skydiving, without the rush it becomes a list of tasks.

I can’t count the list of tasks when you’re on your way to have a hookup for a woman knowing the consequences.

Not that the men women choose for casual sex, just see them as cum receptacles? Men are into casual sex, for the conquest and act of sex only. During casual sex, the fulfilment of the women's needs, doesn't even enter most men's minds.

Then you’re further proving my point.

Men view casual relationships as cum and go, with as little investment as possible.

Proving my point again.

[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah adultery and all.

Absolutely, that's why people commit adultery, even when the consequences are death.

That’s why I’m speaking about it…

And you're speaking about it, after being complicit in it.

Awww hope you’re doing great now. I’ve never skydived before. It’s been my dream since forever.

Bungee jumping is more thrilling. For me combat was the greatest high, nothing has ever come close.

I can’t count the list of tasks when you’re on your way to have a hookup for a woman knowing the consequences.

Remove the rush and anticipation and it's a list of tasks, with a dubious result.

Then you’re further proving my point.

Correct, but as women value sex less than relationships, showing your exact value to your hook up partner.

Proving my point again.

And your low value to your casual partners

[–]Correct_Leek_1875 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, that's why people commit adultery, even when the consequences are death.

Yeah it exists in many religions.

And you're speaking about it, after being complicit in it.

How ?

Bungee jumping is more thrilling. For me combat was the greatest high, nothing has ever come close.

I need to google that for a sec lol. And oh wow i would live that too. But i don’t know if the cords would be well attached. So anxiety intensifies.

Remove the rush and anticipation and it's a list of tasks, with a dubious result.

Well that’s not very tempting either.

Correct, but as women value sex less than relationships, showing your exact value to your hook up partner.

I mean it’s a hookup. It’s not a partner. So I don’t see why you’re comparing two different things.

And your low value to your casual partners

Low values are all what is in the market of men in the hookup culture.

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For the first link, those people regret it because their spouse wasn't also a virgin. As I have already said I believe that both men and women should marry as virgins, which means that your link supports my claim.

The second link the woman clearly went into the marriage the wrong way, and only chose him because he checked all the proper boxes as she put it. The link is also full of many other comments which are all over the place but the ones that seem to involve the happiest people are those who lost their virginity to their spouse (including a man who has spent over half his life with married his current wife), there was also those who wished they had lost it to their current spouse. The rest of the stories was a mixed bag of people losing it in their teens and some other garbage.

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For a "no sex till marriage" strategy, a woman needs quite a bit of credibility. I think that only virgins can pull that off (with serious difficulty).

Non-virgin women use the typical porn-site strategy: they hand out free samples ("hookups") hoping that this will entice you into buying a subscription. Unfortunately for them, a hell of a lot of porn sites end up handing out an endless collection of free porn videos. So, why would anybody buy a subscription when they can always get the stuff for free anyway?

The reason why women still keep handing out hookups is the same as why porn sites still keep handing out free porn videos: What else are they going to do? The market is now completely flooded with free samples and it is too late to try something else. So, they keep trying in vain to charge real money (a subscription) for a product that is nowadays essentially for free.

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I think that the women who are having casual sex with their attractiveness match are more likely to have positive casual sex experiences. Average women having sex with high value men are more likely to be used as masturbatory flesh dolls by these men who aren’t going to care about their orgasm, especially if there is alcohol involved.

I don’t think that it’s a big deal when an attractive woman chooses casual sex with an attractive guy. Sometimes these hookups even turn into relationships. The problem is that there are too many average woman who think that they’re attractive or hoping that they’re attractive having sex with high value men and of course they’re being used and having bad experiences.

So if a woman is reasonably sure that she’s attractive, then having a fun hookup with an attractive man is no big deal and there’s a good chance that hookup might become a FWB or even a relationship if that’s what she wants. But if she’s unsure about her attractiveness, then yeah, she should probably stay away from hookups because she’s probably going to end up emotionally hurt and disliking men in the end.

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Title	Women should stop having hookups
Author	Correct_Leek_1875
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Comments	734
Date	June 24, 2021 2:52 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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