TV show Adolescence gets the pipeline completely wrong

Crazy_Kray · 2025-04-23T11:51:21+00:00

I find it funny how moral panics around "losing boys to toxic masculinity" get framed as basically "men mad because women have...

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The problem in the show is that nothing makes sense.

-The boy is not into redpill/manosphere influencers, he says it himself, he was bullied by a girl that brought up this shit on him, but somehow they try to convince you he was part of this movement, it's sophism by association

-The show presents itself as "neutral", not domonizing any part as evil and any part as good, yet a girl can beat the shit out of an innocent boy, with no reason, before all the school's teacher and admins, before 2 police officers and no one does nothing, she has no consequences, she's even presented as a victim, even if she is the on who assaulted

-The show present you with the bullying thing that the boy suffered from, but that's just to jusitfy him murdering a young girl, it completely shift and forget this part of the story to concentrate on the boy's relation with masculinity, making it his first motive

-They spend a large amount of time telling you it's because of the toxic traditional masculinity that the boy lived through his father and his grandfather, but then it is showed that his father was a good man, gentle, who raised his kids properly with affection and that he actually rejects every kind of violence, so which is it ?

-The last minutes are absolutely hilarious, when the father tells that it's because they bought their son a PC, a keyboard and a gaming headset, like wtf

-The most bizarre part of the show was the 2 breakdowns from the boy when he is with the therapist. The 2 times he actually becomes angry/violent is when he expect some kind of compassion from the therapist and she doesn't give anything. The first one when he says he is ugly, he expect her to say no, she says she is not here to lie to him ; the same thing happens when he says he is affraid his father is ashamed of him. She is supposed to be a professional therapist, yet she just pushes him to his limits and doesn't attend his psychological issues. I don't know if the show is telling me that therapy is not adequate for men or if men should go to therapy but expect a hard truth that will break them.

And I'm not even going to talk about how the showrunners are telling you they were "inspired" with real tragic events in the UK, but they actually twisted every part of the story to create a narrative about the redpill/manosphere/masculinity.

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-The show presents itself as "neutral", not domonizing any part as evil and any part as good, yet a girl can beat the shit out of an innocent boy, with no reason, before all the school's teacher and admins, before 2 police officers and no one does nothing, she has no consequences, she's even presented as a victim, even if she is the on who assaulted

This just isn't true. She's immediately separated from the rest of the school. She tries to go back to class after it's inferred that she'll be sent for counselling. We see her running down stairs to class, but we don't know what happens after that or what other consequences she'll face. She's not the main character, so we only get to see a glimpse.

The show present you with the bullying thing that the boy suffered from, but that's just to jusitfy him murdering a young girl, it completely shift and forget this part of the story to concentrate on the boy's relation with masculinity, making it his first motive

Nothing justifies the murder - it's clearly played as an absurd tragedy. No one can understand why he did it - that much is emphasised again and again. Was it red pill cult, was it incel teasing, was it abuse at the home? It's never really spelt out, but we're led to believe it's a combination of all these things

-They spend a large amount of time telling you it's because of the toxic traditional masculinity that the boy lived through his father and his grandfather, but then it is showed that his father was a good man, gentle, who raised his kids properly with affection and that he actually rejects every kind of violence, so which is it ?

They show the father to be kind and gentle, but he also admits himself that he was ashamed of his son for not being more manly. He knew he should have done more.

The last minutes are absolutely hilarious, when the father tells that it's because they bought their son a PC, a keyboard and a gaming headset, like wtf

In the last episode they show a pretty realistic depiction of grief - wildly swinging from rationalisation to excuse to acceptance. Of course the PC and headset didn't make the boy into a killer, but the fact that the father didn't pay enough attention to his son meant that his son went looking for approval online.

he most bizarre part of the show was the 2 breakdowns from the boy when he is with the therapist

She's not a therapist. She's a forensic psychologist. It's not her job to provide therapy - it's her job to prepare a pre-trial report on his mental capacity.

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This just isn't true. She's immediately separated from the rest of the school. She tries to go back to class after it's inferred that she'll be sent for counselling. We see her running down stairs to class, but we don't know what happens after that or what other consequences she'll face. She's not the main character, so we only get to see a glimpse.

No consequences then, she is just led to another classroom, from which she can leave however she wants, the counselor even pity her. At the end of the episode, she then go back home, her parents are not even called to pick her up and the 2 police officers who witnessed a grave assault that could have led to serious injuries did absolutely nothing.

Nothing justifies the murder - it's clearly played as an absurd tragedy. No one can understand why he did it - that much is emphasised again and again. Was it red pill cult, was it incel teasing, was it abuse at the home? It's never really spelt out, but we're led to believe it's a combination of all these things

Except, the only link with the incel/redpill cult was his bully, the girl, using these insults and theories against him, not him being aprt of the cul and he loves his family and isn't abused at home, we see that from the 2 first episodes, so why are they trying to lead you in that direction ?

They show the father to be kind and gentle, but he also admits himself that he was ashamed of his son for not being more manly. He knew he should have done more.

He doesn't admit to be ashamed, he said he looked away to not embarass his son in front of the other parents, acting like he didn't see him fail.

In the last episode they show a pretty realistic depiction of grief - wildly swinging from rationalisation to excuse to acceptance. Of course the PC and headset didn't make the boy into a killer, but the fact that the father didn't pay enough attention to his son meant that his son went looking for approval online.

Again, 90% of this episode is on point, and then you have the swift mentions of gamer, just floating in the air, withou explanations on what they mean by bringing it up. It's once again a sophism by association.

She's not a therapist. She's a forensic psychologist. It's not her job to provide therapy - it's her job to prepare a pre-trial report on his mental capacity.

She has received the same basic training as a therapist, and it's therapy 101 to not use people's insecurities against them.

How is it supposed to be a fair and just report when she used his 2 biggest insecurities to get the only two extreme reactions from him.

The boy is perfectly calm until she basically says "ngl, you are indeed ugly and your father is probably ashamed of you", especially after he asked repeatedly if she was allowed to ask questions that made him extremely uncomfortable.

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Well I’m sure there is a debriefing space after where they explain what they do or how they did it, but police interrogations in general cross into unethical boundaries all the time. Police can and do lie to you to provoke you into confessions, lots of dubious tactics are acceptable. If increased suicidality is a risk at that point they would be appointed a prison psych which is not exactly high quality care from what I can tell. I’m not exactly saying it’s correct, and as I said I haven’t seen the show so idk how it fits in, just wanted to point out all psychologists are not therapists, they don’t all do the same thing

But even a good therapist, in my view, doesn’t just validate you when you list insecurities. They do probe around them and try to get you to look at them differently

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my two cents,

you make a good point about the school being overly permissive with the friend, but there’s more reason to believe this is a reflection of the school’s incompetence with managing and disciplining kids in general not just benevolent sexism towards her. that entire episode is to show how overwhelmed and under-resourced schools like that are (one example that stood out to me was a boy making pig noises at the cop’s son, the teacher said to talk to him after class but that struck me as an underreaction to what just happened, made me feel for the cop’s son so bad). and we canonically know that Jamie’s experienced physical bullying from his peers for years without those peers facing significant consequence if any. i think benevolent sexism is interesting food for thought but the deepest root is that these schools truly are becoming “holding pens” not education centers

Jamie actually has a couple direct and indirect links with redpill content before Katie’s emojis come along. he says in ep 3 that prior to that, he had heard his peers constantly talking about redpill stuff and he looked it up himself, says he didn’t like most of it but did think they got the 80/20 thing spot on, he definitely internalized at least one overt redpill message before anything happened with Katie

and i truly think a misunderstanding of the psychologist’s role is happening here. she actually never validates his insecurities like how you implied, she probes about why he feels that way in both of those cases. it just feels that way (certainly did to Jamie) bc we expect a psychologist (especially a female psychologist, many implicit biases at play there) to comfort him. but she wasn’t there to comfort or heal him, her entire role was to study and obtain data about him, not engage in therapeutic techniques. and i think the final moment between them is meant to highlight how disturbed yet conflicted she is over this boy basically revealing that his deepest insecurity is to be liked by just one woman and how she was painfully bound from validating him on that, too.

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It's actually the police duty to apprehend her after such violence, not the teachers, so yeah, it would have made sense that they at least say something.

That's not correct. The duty of care lies with the teaching staff. They stopped the fight and separated the students. It is then the duty of the school to report that to the police though in this case the police were present anyway.
The police can then take statements and investigate. They not not have to apprehend the student immediately.

That said, while I have worked in schools before perhaps policy has changed in recent years. Can you point me in the direction of some literature that contradicts me?

What's the point to film her beating a boy for nothing ; being talked to by the counselor ; crying with the counselor ; walking out the counselor's room ; walk out the school to go home without any problem then ? What does that show ? What does that add to the plot ? Nothing, so we only have to assume that she didn't get any consequences because she was grieving and has problems at home, we know she has problems cause it is even stated in the counselor's scene.

Actually, the scene shows that pointless violence and abuse is everywhere. Someone was killed, sure, but every day in schools over the country kids beat each other viciously and both schools, parents and police are almost impotent to enact and truly positive change. It's a pretty bleak show, but it reflects reality.

However, it's also not a morality tale where all the bad guys get punished and all the goodies get justice - so i'm not sure why you're taking that angle of criticism.

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Actually, the scene shows that pointless violence and abuse is everywhere. Someone was killed, sure, but every day in schools over the country kids beat each other viciously and both schools, parents and police are almost impotent to enact and truly positive change. It's a pretty bleak show, but it reflects reality.

Yes, but we would have understand that with just the violent scenes in school and her beating up the boy. No point to drag it on with her crying in the counselor's room and going hom with no consequences, that just proves that there is no consequences to her actions.

However, it's also not a morality tale where all the bad guys get punished and all the goodies get justice - so i'm not sure why you're taking that angle of criticism.

The show cannot present itself as neutral when it pictures girls beating the shit out of boys with no consequences and depicting her as a victim that has to be pitied.

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Yes, but we would have understand that with just the violent scenes in school and her beating up the boy. No point to drag it on with her crying in the counselor's room and going hom with no consequences, that just proves that there is no consequences to her actions.

A further example gives more depth to the show and to it's explorations of the issues at hand. We don't know what the consequences the girl suffered - but we do see a knackered school system struggling to cope.

The show cannot present itself as neutral when it pictures girls beating the shit out of boys with no consequences and depicting her as a victim that has to be pitied.

Yes, it can. It can show bad things happening to good people and good things happening to bad people. It's not taking sides, it's shining a light on how things are happening right now, across the country.

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He was not randomly being allegedly bullied.

The detectives in the very first episode said his social media posts of women/models had incendiary “aggressive” language.

How most women, including my 60 year old mom, interpreted the first episode:

Jamie: posts misogynistic and aggressive nonsense on Instagram about women

Girls from his school seeing his public content: omg what is this incel bullshit jfc

Were his girl peers not supposed to have a reaction to those things? That would be like my classmate posting assholish things about black people and then me, a black person, writing “wtf nazi???” in his IG replies, but I’m being called the bully 😒

To that point, his seething manipulative rage, feelings of entitlement, and utter disrespect toward women was then hyper-highlighted in the scenes with the female forensic psychologist in the 3rd episode. For you to read that as him being pushed to his limits and not an unhinged person reacting disregulatedly and disrespectfully is quite weird. Her job wasn’t to “attend to his psychological issues.” Her job was to grok his psychology and report back to the court. Which she did.

His disregard toward women was further passively implied via his casual disdain toward his loving mom and sister relative to his admiration for his dad.

TLDR: The show doesn’t portray him as a reliable narrator. Just because he claimed from his perspective that he was the sweetest victim and was being bullied unprovoked or that the girls were bitches who deserved to get stabbed to death doesn’t mean that’s exactly how everything went down. That’s what he perceives and what he tells himself to feel validated in his resentment and heinous behavior. And quite frankly it is interesting to note that a lot of men watched the series and chose to only relate to/believe Jamie and not take into consideration the other facts and reality the show intentionally showcased.

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"interpreted the first episode"

There is the problem, it's your interpretation, but it is clearly stated that the girl started bullying him after he asked her to go out with him, not because he posted sexual comments on some model posts.

And yes, she pushes him to his limits, hence the reason why he repeatedely asks if she is allowed to ask the questions she is asking.

Even if you are not here in a case of therapy, as a therapist, you don't use a person's insecurities against them, that's psychology 101.

His disregard toward women was further passively implied via his casual disdain toward his loving mom and sister relative to his admiration for his dad.

He has no disdain for them, he says he loves them, but he thinks his dad is ashamed of him and wants him to be proud, like all the boys in the world.

he was the sweetest victim and was being bullied unprovoked or that the girls were bitches who deserved to get stabbed to death doesn’t mean that’s exactly how everything went down.

But that's the thing, he never said that, it's the conclusion that the officer gets after his son showed him the bullying he got on instagram, it was then added to his investigation.

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iirc the boy’s experience with redpill culture is largely secondhand from his peers who are big into it, he said he looked it up but didn’t like most of it (he’s been shown to not exactly be the most reliable narrator but i’ve always assumed the writer’s meant us to take this part at face value), but he did say he thought the 80/20 thing was correct, and that clearly upped his insecurities. that belief arguably contributed to his decision to prey on Katie’s vulnerability, he thinks most girls will never ever ever like him so that pressure influenced him to ask her out they day her nudes had leaked. outside of overt redpill content, he very much has consumed misogynistic media as he was keen to make sexually aggressive comments about models on his insta, expresses misogynistic language and ideas like repeatedly calling Katie a “bully bitch” (interesting he couldn’t just call her a bully, no?) and expresses some strong misogynistic implicit biases towards the girls and women in his life (attacked Katie after she pushed him to the ground, freaked on the psych for calmly telling him to sit down then stfu when a male guard came in and told him to do the same; he can’t handle feeling emasculated by girls, despite eating years of direct physical bullying from other boys). the canon takeaway is that Jamie is partially a byproduct of misogynistic environmental factors, the show didn’t want to pin it all on direct obsessive consumption of redpill content bc it wants to highlight a host of relevant factors including non-redpill misogyny and factors unrelated to misogyny, too

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The boy is not into redpill/manosphere influencers, he says it himself, he was bullied by a girl that brought up this shit on him, but somehow they try to convince you he was part of this movement, it's sophism by association

The parents mentioned after they bought him his computer, he would spend hours behind it without ever leaving his room. The internet is how many, if not most get exposed initially to incel and manosphere ideologies, so it's very plausible that he found these ideas there, even though he says in front of the psychologist he doesn't believe all of them. Along with the stuff he was exposed to through friends, social media and schoolmates. I found this path quite realistic, even though they don't show you everything in the show.

They spend a large amount of time telling you it's because of the toxic traditional masculinity that the boy lived through his father and his grandfather, but then it is showed that his father was a good man, gentle, who raised his kids properly with affection and that he actually rejects every kind of violence, so which is it ?

The show doesn't explicitly "tell you" that his father and grandfather were toxic men, this just comes up when the psychologist asks the kid about his male relatives to get an idea about his image of men and whether actions or beliefs of male relatives might have been factors that supported his way into becoming a murderer. The dad actually is portrayed quite realistically IMO, he's a typical working-class family man who loves his wife and kids and wants the best for them, but he's not a psychologist, nor an extremly introspective person. He's also a member of an older generation who has little clue about what's going on in kids' social media channels or things like the 80/20 rule. Additionally, being a typical member of his generation, it's implied that he of course brings some ideas to raise his kid into a man that didn't work ideally, such as teaching him sports. He tried the best with the knowledge he had, but couldn't prevent his son becoming a murderer.

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A minor correction I will make here is that I wouldn't say the show is pointing the finger at the kids. Because they are literally children.

The show is going to the great lengths to show how adults have failed them all.

The administrators and teachers are oblivious and not really interested in doing their jobs. The cop's own son is at the same school and he has no idea what's going on with him or in general until the kid pulls him aside and spells it out. An entire episode is basically dedicated to dissecting how Jamie's parents let him down. Katie's friend's mom is uninvolved so Katie's family basically de facto adopted her. But Katie's own parents presumably didn't know what Katie was dealing with at school either. There is basically not a single adult character in the show who isn't at least implied to have fucked up and/or failed the kids in some way.

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Instead, they focused on "red pill and incels bad" while completely ignoring why the red pill and incels even exist - because Chad gets all the action and leaves a bunch of damaged women in his wake.

If that's all you got out of this show, you completely missed the point. It step by step showed you exactly how boys become like that. It also showed how home family influences are major contributors. Did you notice how the mom and sister cowered to the dad and put all their energy into keeping him placated? That being the root, everything else branched from there to create who he became. The nudes were just a catalyst for the chain of events leading to the girl's death, otherwise they were irrelevant.

That's not even mentioning how the show puts a spotlight on victims as individuals being lost in the shuffle of whodunnits. I need to give the show a rewatch.

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More generally, this is why I don't like the concept of punching up.

People very rarely actually punch upward, because the people at the top have the resources and connections to make you regret it. Usually they punch at the lowest people in a demographic broadly considered above them. When they punch at white people, they usually punch at "trailer trash" poor whites. When they punch at men, they usually punch at neurodivergent men, and/or men who don't fit the physical standards of manliness.

If they actually aim high, they usually don't punch effectively, or they can't. Tweeting mean things at Elon Musk is definitely up, but it's hard to say it counts as punching. More like tickling, if he even sees it at all.

Punching downward is far easier. Almost every claim of punching up I've ever seen was actually punching down with a paper-thin rationalization that emphasized one aspect of the victim's identity and ignored all the rest.

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There was also a point that Jamie was behaving maliciously to her before she started bullying him. He, from his own perspective, attempted to pick her up while she was still shaken up about the sexual harassment, because he knew she was vulnerable. He also bragged about how he had seriously considered sexually assaulting her during the attack. I don't recall if we got to see how that pick-up attempt went from her perspective, but even after he was so insistent of his victimhood, he still couldn't get around admitting that he was being malicious there. He was also posting misogynistic things, but likewise I don't recall if that was noted to occur before she rejected him.

They hinted that he wasn't just a random, innocent bullying victim, but I think they should have delved a little farther into that.

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But Jamie being bullied by Katie is completly ignored.

It's not completely ignored. It's discussed more prominently than Jamie's bullying of Katie, given that the story is from Jamie and his sympathetic family's perspective, and Katie is dead, so her side of the story is only expressed by her friends.

with boys unaliving themselves at the rate 3x higher then women.

You don't even have the decency to say "Boys committing suicide"? You can't even use the "I was trying to avoid censors" excuse, because you used the word in the same sentence. Have some respect for the very people you are demanding respect for.

Now tell me again how mysogony is a huge problem and I will tell you to just man up. Because that's the answer boys/men get for all their problems since forever.

He says in the comments of a mini-series that only shows the boy's perspective and frequently has the boy and his father depicted breaking down and crying over the events, including the whole family crying about their son pleading guilty. The show is as empathetic as a show could possibly be to a male murder and the other males in his family. The boy explicitly stated that he was complicit in sexual harassment against her and wanted to sexually assault her, and the show is still sympathetic to him. Not a single episode is about her family.

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It's not completely ignored. It's discussed more prominently than Jamie's bullying of Katie, given that the story is from Jamie and his sympathetic family's perspective, and Katie is dead, so her side of the story is only expressed by her friends.

Every discussion of this show I saw so far was completly ignoring it, and was oblivious to all the nuisances in the show.

You don't even have the decency to say "Boys committing suicide"? You can't even use the "I was trying to avoid censors" excuse, because you used the word in the same sentence. Have some respect for the very people you are demanding respect for.

Doesn't have anything to do with lack of respect, I just hate even writing the word suicide, and tend to write unalive instead, which I don't find disrespectful at all. Consider it a... personal quirk.

He says in the comments of a mini-series that only shows the boy's perspective and frequently has the boy and his father depicted breaking down and crying over the events, including the whole family crying about their son pleading guilty. The show is as empathetic as a show could possibly be to a male murder and the other males in his family. The boy explicitly stated that he was complicit in sexual harassment against her and wanted to sexually assault her, and the show is still sympathetic to him. Not a single episode is about her family.

Show wasn't about creating a sympathy for the murdered at all, it was about showing the nuances, all these elements which lead to murder.

Jamie is a victim and agressor, Katie is a victim and agressor... but both of them are children living in a wealthy 1st world country for fucks sake, they should be "playing in mud".

Since show is about showing elements which lead to the murder, we don't get to see suffering of Katie's family, we get to see in what kind of family Jamie lived.

Yes Jamie's father also has outbursts, but he never actually hurt anyone right? It's not some broken abusive home which created a monster. It's a regular, working class home... in which kid was spending too much time on the internet.

This last episode was supposed to show people how little it takes for children in normal families to end fucked up.

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Ha! Are you saying the couples like the one in the show are exhibiting “fatherless behavior” too? I’ve always associated that with dads not being in the home or physically absent.

Yes! It's not just about having a father in home, it's about having involved father.

If I was Jamies father and I saw him spending so much time alone in his room, surfing internet, or playing games... I would drag his ass out, we would talk about shit, we would do manly man activities.

Now I myself didn't had a father (died) my mom was a piece of shit. BUT I had awesome grandparents and lived in one of those villages which actually raise kids. And when I was 14 my mom ended up with a man which loved me and got very involved with me.

Two of them broke up on very nasty terms, two of us are still in contact and on very warm terms.

I did end up with some damage, but I wasn't joining the gangs.

While men which had fathers, but fathers which weren't active did.

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Consider it a... personal quirk.

Again, can't use that excuse, because you used the word "Suicide" in the same sentence.

Yes Jamie's father also has outbursts, but he never actually hurt anyone right? It's not some broken abusive home which created a monster. It's a regular, working class home... in which kid was spending too much time on the internet.

Yeah, that's the point. The dad was shown as an innocent, sad man who was a bit unpresent, but otherwise a good father who meant well. Jamie was shown as a sad victim whose own bullying behaviour is glossed over. He throws a fit at the psychiatrist, but even then is displayed as him outbursting because he feels hurt and abandoned- asking for hot chocolate, apologising for the outburst, apologising for the hot chocolate request, begging her to tell him she likes him, etc. Even when he is explicitly being shown as the aggressor, he is still shown in a sympathetic light.

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“every discussion mentions misogyny” and “barely any discussions mention Katie’s bullying” are two different topics you conflated there. i don’t disagree that the majority of the discourse is about the role of misogyny or that your algorithm may be biased in that regard, that is definitely the main theme of the show and generally acknowledged as so. i’m calling algorithmic bias in you saying “every discussion i’ve seen completely ignores Katie’s bullying.” i took that to include online discussions which is so far from my experience, that’s where i was coming from with my reply.

to the extent that you’re saying Katie’s bullying hasn’t been highlighted by offline media, that i buy, but i also buy that none of them talk about the fact that his character was revealed to be a bully victim for years by other peers first. Katie posted 3 mean emojis on his insta, boys had been tripping and verbally abusing him for several grades already, why does it seem you think Katie’s bullying deserves a bigger spotlight but not the others? unless you do and just haven’t talked about it yet here or i completely missed where you did

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hey cheers to that honestly. you don’t spend a lot of time scrolling sites? is this post/sub one of the rare times you do or did you search for it? just curious

not even talking about the detective’s son, in ep 3 when the psych asks him to explain the emojis the extent listed are 3 emojis meaning “exploding redpill/incel,” 80/20, and “wants love, can’t get it.”

yeah genuinely i would say 3 mean emojis made a mentally unhealthy girl tip over the edge, if we’re doing a proper gender/situation reverse here i’d even be tempted to say she had an implicit sensitivity to negative appraisal from boys if she was eating years of emotional abuse from other girls but killed herself when a boy sent 3 mean emojis to her. i would call it wildly unhealthy if people tried to say that hypothetical boy was responsible for that girl’s suicide and that the girl didn’t have major complex unrelated issues to begin with. wouldn’t you agree?

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For women to man up against mysogony? Isn't that what they're doing?

Asking goverment and men to do something about it, isn't maning up.

Like if you/men don't care, and aren't putting any effort to make changes, there's nothing they can do but continue on and tell you to fix your own problems. What would need to be done for you to consider the problem addressed?

At this point I'm willing to let those politicians on the far-right give it a try, so... guess time will tell.

I would understand this response more if you went to therapy and found it lacking for you. Otherwise it sounds like you just don't like the solutions to your problems.

I went to therapy, 4 different therapists and found it severely lacking, not even touching core problems, it's just dealing with surface issues over and over again. Just as a bunch of other men got to find out. Therapists are not trained well enough to help men.

In a twist of irony I found out artificial intelligence has greater understanding for male emotions and needs then therapists. When a fucking computer has greater understanding for those then licenced professional, that says a lot about our society.

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Asking goverment and men to do something about it, isn't maning up.

I was unaware of the very strict requirements for "maning" up. Then again you want women to make changes and you immediately go on to say you're looking for the government to help so you're also not "maning" up. You're doing the exact thing you're complaining about.

At this point I'm willing to let those politicians on the far-right give it a try, so... guess time will tell.

I have a feeling this wasn't a tough decision for you. Like I doubt anyone twisted your arm over supporting far right politicians.

I'm also not sure what solutions you think the far right has that will significantly improve your life.

not even touching core problems, it's just dealing with surface issues over and over again.

Why didn't you bring up your core problems to discuss?

In a twist of irony I found out artificial intelligence has greater understanding for male emotions and needs then therapists. When a fucking computer has greater understanding for those then licenced professional, that says a lot about our society.

lol

yikes.

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How most women, including my 60 year old mom, interpreted the first episode:

Completly biased in favour of women?

He’s not a reliable narrator.

But detective's son said he was bullied by women, and pointed out how emojis are being used to covertly bully.

Ever been bullied by other women? Were they bullying openly or covertly?

Also who the hell wants to ask their “bully” out on a date?

Offcourse she didn't accept his invitation to a date, that's not a issue here. Issue is after being asked out, she kept bullying him.

Which is by the way a proven phenomena, if woman is rejected by a valuable man, then less valuable man asks her out, women do tend to humiliate less valuable man to take back some of their value.

Show ends up being red pilled to it's core, it's just that Jamie wasn't a good red piller now, was he?

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ik we’re talking elsewhere but just saw this reply, canonically we only know she sent 3 emojis. the only other hint we get that she may have said more was “it looks like she’s being nice, right?” so she possibly attached the emojis to sarcastic/superficially nice comments but that’s not even confirmed

Maybe trust the detective son which did say Jamie was being bullied?

interesting take on it being a dog whistle, i can buy that. i’d prefer to plainly call it cyberbullying bc that’s what it is for sure, “dog whistle” to me implies that her motive was primarily ideological, i think there was a bit of that but that she mainly just wanted to be hurtful. “hurt people hurt people” is all over this show

The technique is best described as dog whistle, but the goal is obviously not ideological one, the goal was to covertly bully.

Women tend to bully covertly, and if you think "well fuck those guys" gues who women bully the most... other women.

Back when I was in highschool, There was one guy which was a bully, preyed on weaker students. Us three bigger guys mopped the floor with him, got suspended for a week, but there was no male bullying anymore 😂. But girls which bullied were huge bitches, did it covertly, victims couldn't prove anything. So girls at the bottom of "pecking order" were hanging with us guys. Our group included two girls through all 4 years, no bitch dared to bully them.

Now with the internet though...

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maybe engage with the point i’m making that saying “3 mean emojis” isn’t unreasonable or inaccurate to say in response to someone calling her his primary bully?💀 cite the line that says i’m wrong to say that. and you’re misremembering that part a bit bc that exchange is literally

son: “she’s saying you always will be (a virgin) that’s what they say, you’re gonna be a virgin forever, basically, and all those people have hearted which means they’re agreeing with her”

dad: “ok so this is, this is bullying?”

son: scoffs before dad even says the next part of his line about it being a stretch

personally thought that was either a mistake by the actor for reacting negatively too soon if the reaction was meant to just be about the stretch line, or it was purposefully directed at dad calling this a simple case of basic bullying. regardless, i acknowledge it was cyberbullying, i’m disagreeing with the notion that she was Jamie’s “primary bully”

i’m cool with that description and im cool with acknowledging it as bullying/cyberbullying

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Because there is commercial incentive to do so.

Simps buy gifts for women.
Men and women go out to the bar to meet each other. Women get their cover charges waived, but make up most of the beauty and cosmetics industries, as well as a sizable chunk of the fashion industry, to look their best for a night out.
Stupid status obsessed men buy expensive watches to look stately and distinguished, when they are already paying for a computer in their pocket that also tells the time.
People pay for VIP experiences and bottle service to gain access to more "exclusive" areas where the implication if higher quality people.
They subscribe to dating apps and sites, pay grifters to give them their "handbooks", and pay those dating apps and sites again for special features that make them stand out among the competition.
They commercialize sexual behavior - marketing FOMO - by depicting fun people having a great time in commercials to sell ancillary products - "Drink our beer! You can have fun like the actors and actresses in this commercial! Not like that stuffy beer bloviating about '150 years of brewing tradition'...look, we're the fun beer!"

It's just noise, it's just marketing. What do you think the entire concept of "spring break" is? For many of us, "spring break" was going back home and hanging with our friends from home, or volunteering somewhere...not some wild MTV caricature in Cancun.

The men and women who spend the money on these products and experiences and don't get the expected outcome become bitter.

But you can use this information to your advantage - because what leads up to dating is also marketing. You are selling an experience. And the best marketing isn't the pushy salesperson approach, it's conveying that the product or service - in dating, you - is a lifestyle. It's giving a glimpse of that lifestyle. It's listening to the customer's needs, and showing (not telling) how you can uniquely solve them without pressuring them into a sale. Consider this the "meeting people" stage. You are marketing yourself with everything you do - the activities you indulge in, the way you dress and groom yourself, the kinds of clothing you wear, the way you socialize, the way you spend your free time, the company you keep, what you do for a living, the goals you keep for yourself in life, and your whole ass personality. Every single person navigating the world is selling an experience, and when you understand that, and you can tailor your own marketing to match the product you're selling (being significant other to you), you will find better results than when you are chasing the experiences marketers are selling, or when men are simping for sales with individual women when they should be broadly advertising to everyone, and looking to see who's interested.

For all the screeching about online dating profiles...they're marketing.

Obviously, once you get to dating, you focus on individual connection and all that. But the most frustrated people never even get that far, and it's because they don't understand marketing as either a buyer or a seller. They mindlessly consume, and don't put their best foot forward.

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I think you are bias by your subjective experience.

You seem to be assuming that men are around women enough that they're actually going to get to know them or be interested in approaching them.

There are a lot of men who get up, go to work, go home, and repeat the process. Maybe they go out occasionally. Maybe they meet up privately with friends. But beyond that, they're not meeting women. They're certainly not getting hit on by them.

It's not necessarily a case of pursuing, more so a case of introducing. There are many cases where men will be overlooked unless they make an effort to present themselves and give women an opportunity to express interest.

The idea that you can just walk through life and find a life partner, or even a sexual partner, is very detached from the reality that many men face.

I do agree with you though, it is important that any girl you are interested in actually likes you.

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I agree that men shouldn't be virgin shamed.

Except it is now rampant and popular with the term incel being thrown around all the time for any reason, like you noted.

Imagine if men started throwing around slut as liberally as women throw around incel, and there would be a massive amount of news reports on the surge of misogyny and sexism online.

It apparently only counts as sexism when men do it to women, but women doing it to men is currently seen as completely acceptable and not even worth mentioning.

The girl who has been with 2p guys could be a victim, or she could be a strong empowered woman in control of her sexual liberation. We have no way of knowing, but as a society we assume male sexuakity is terrible and demonize it, so for a girl to be with 20 partners we assume she must be a victim, it couldn't be that she was a slut.

Again, never ok to call a woman slut, she must be a victim, but always ok to call a man an incel, he can't possibly be a victim.

I'm just pointing out the double standards that exist in society.

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bc she herself is radicalised and forced the world to make sense thru her lens. there is literally nothing you can present a like this to ever have her believe in good faith that a male can be victimised by a female bc to her male = inherently powerful and female = inherently powerless

ALL interactions have to account for this perceived imbalance of power, even when talking abt children who have no control over anything. this is why female aggression can never be unwarranted, the male objectively must have done something first to deserve it bc with his perceived power comes perceived responsibility over not just himself, but the female involved and the situation itself.

this form of sexism is far more commonplace in the minds of young women than misogyny ever will be in the minds of young men, but trust there will be zero media think pieces exploring the depths of radical female ideologies.

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This sounds like you are adding angry stuff in to create your narrative.

If a boy got rejected by a girl, and another girl immediately expressed interest in him, it would make him feel better. Girls also do this all the time feel rejected by one guy and immediately getting together with another boy and posting it all over social media.

They also do it in non-romantic stuff where she gets rejected by one girl group and immediately joins and boasts about being in another girl group. Or if guys see one of their friends publicly humiliated they're extra nice to that guy so he feels better.

However, if your goal is to raise your own status by association with someone higher status (even if that person rejects you) then you're upset is someone lower status tries to associate themselves with you.

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This was my immediate reaction as well.

OP claims that dating apps spawned the manosphere, but there’s an alternative and more obvious explanation.

The rise of dating apps happened to coincide with the widespread adoption of social media and communication platforms like Reddit. There have always been a small portion of men who struggle significantly with women, but they were isolated. If they complained, it was to friends and family.

But today technology allows men to form online communities with other struggling men. These communities can be sizable, because even if a small percentage of English-speaking men join the community, that’s still millions of men. So to those in the community develop a perception that it’s a giant community and that “the average man struggles” or “most men struggle”.

Perhaps dating apps have played a role, but it would be crazy to ignore the fact that the manosphere developed as soon as it was technologically feasible for it to develop.

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Agree. That is for the few percent of incels and foreveralone guys. They always existed, even in 1950.

But for the average guy, who has sex, relationships etc. but is still thinking he is getting the short end of the stick and should have way more casual sex partners, there is another dynamic at work.

Being happy with your situation depends on who you compare yourself with. It's relative. Earning 100k among 50k earners lets you feel good. Earning 100k among 500k earners makes you feel like a loser.

The people/groups we compare ourselves to are important. If young men compare themselves to the top 0.01% of the world on social media and porn, they will feel bad. But it's a choice who you use as a comparison. You can make yourself feel bad even if everything is alright and normal.

I have a very beautiful girlfriend, super happy with her. If i install tiktok and keep using it for a couple of hours, my feed is filled with women who are younger and more attractive, posing available to me. It doesn't take long before i think "i think i can do better than my girlfriend", "i am not as happy with my choice as i was before". I can choose to uninstall tiktok and be happy with my girlfriend again.

Similarly, like advertisements create a need in us for things we didn't need before that, with use of emotions, the manosphere and social media created the view in men, that they need to have casual sex, that they should have casual sex, and the only reason they are not having it, is some unfairness happening that needs to be corrected.

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But for the average guy, who has sex, relationships etc. but is still thinking he is getting the short end of the stick and should have way more casual sex partners, there is another dynamic at work.

I think it’s a bit of the same dynamic plus what you’re describing. There have always been guys who are able to date but wish they were able to have more casual sex. Anyone who went to college for example, was well aware that there were other guys in his dorm, class, frat, etc. who had a bunch of casual sex. It’s nothing new. What is new is that those guys now have a mechanism to communicate with each other online at scale. So again, online collaboration allows for the development of such communities. So to the extent those guys exist, they now have a mechanism to commiserate with each other.

I do agree that social media has an additional impact, especially when it comes to people’s perception of what “average” looks like. It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that there’s an endless supply of attractive options because that’s what shows up in your feed.

I can see how the apparently endless supply of attractive options could leave a man who does well but not great with women wanting more.

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as in the people who benefir from the system

basically women, top tier men and the present society

top tier men benefit because they have an abundance of pussy going about. if things are equal and dating is normal that wont be the case. right now top tier men.. just like the average women just have to exist. Most men can reach that potential but some are way ahead in the race and they gain the benefit from the system.. why would they want equality on that front. they dont ever need to settle and use and throw women as they see fit and the blame falls on the average guys

Women benefit because they pretty much have to do nothing. As long as they dont hit a significant age and if they play their cards right.. they can get a partner up until late 40s without much fuzz they also benefit in a sense that the legal system is absolutely in their favour in divorce, child custody and more. they can benefit from divorcing and they know it. They often use it as a threat in a marriage even because they know men have more to lose

society the society benefits because guess what.. divorce benefits the lawyers and the purpose of marriage is what drives most men to work hard, pay taxes and what not. most men wouldnt have the kind of drive to go further without the dream of marriage and family in the picture and they have to keep that idea alive. which is why MgTow or redpill is a dangerous principle for them

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Many dating struggles are precisely because of economic and social inequality.

For instance:

people having spare time and money to date their matches in car/city-centric designed societies.
Racial segregation through economic gentrification - in my country you have to put your race down on housing applications, and the lower-income neighbourhoods are both pre-dominantly black and have less police response.
Low income men, LGBT people who experience employment discrimination and Trans people’s medical costs, homeless people, etc. also tend to be forced to live in these neighbourhoods as well.
Low income neighbourhoods are more effected by declining third spaces due to small independent businesses shutting down and major corporations not buying spaces to build their businesses there.
Low income neighbourhoods have less available jobs, less access to public transportation, more polluted natural areas, less safely maintained roads and crossings, higher crime, less police response, etc.

All of this affects low income men, elderly pensioners, racial minorities, immigrants, LGBT people, Disabled people, homeless, etc. the most, while many virtue-signalling left-wing people who claim to care about inequality but financially and politically support our car/city-centric and economically-gentrified designed societies are the most successful at dating and have a “Fuck you, I got mine” attitude to anyone even talking about these inequality issues directly effecting the “have-not’s” people’s dating prospects.

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It's a conflicting feeling.

Was the boy right to try and get the girl to like her by faking compassion when her nudes were leaked? No he wasn't. This is Nice Guy behaviour. But he was also a teenager and an insecure one too. Maybe that was just his clumsy and dumb way to try and get a girl's attention?

Was the boy right to stab her to death and did the girl deserve it? Obviously not. There's no way to justify the murder.

However, the girl wasn't just a poor innocent person either. She bullied the boy. Called him an incel on social media for trying to get with her. I mean yeah his attempt was misplaced and clumsy but did this warrant being cyber-bullied and called an incel? People throw the word "incel" around so easily these days.

He was bullied. He reacted on being bullied in a violent and inexcusable manner, but he was still the victim of bullying. And I feel like the show barely touched on that aspect of the story. And I can tell you that, as someone who was bullied as a teenager, bullying can push you to the brink of desperation, and it can go really quickly. It doesn't take years of bullying to get to that point.

I genuinely wanted to take my sister's hockey stick to school and fucking beat the holy shit out of my bullies Casino corn field style. Almost did it too. The stick was in my backpack. It was only when I got out the elevator on the ground floor that I was like "what the fuck am I doing" and went back home to put it back and sob uncontrollably in my mother's arms who had no idea of what I was going through.

Again, the stabbing is inexcusable and I think Andrew Tate is a complete piece of trash of a human being but in this show, it's stupid to just blame it all on ToXiC MaScuLiniTy when there was bullying involved.

And besides, the 80/20 thing is hardly something new. It's just that it became more prominent since the rise of dating apps where even a fat and ugly woman can get lots of matches, making them think they're "kweens who deserve only the top of the top of hot guys"

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Hassan Sentamu is British

He walks around randomly stabbing people so yes I suppose he is British lol, you guys seem to be ok with those stabbing so I suppose he is adhering to modern British values

If the idea of what being British means is outside of skin color, then why do a lot of young brown men struggle with it?

They can't name the above due to age, but they have been reported as white

They made sure to report he was white and make a TV show about them, while the mass stabbers race wasn't even known until trial iirc. No tv show about the 3 girls stabbed, or the misogynist religion growing in your country, it's just a white teen with a knife. Point out the non-white people doing it though? Here come geniuses like you to flip your lids and defend the men doing harm you lol. British women 🤷

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I was on here like 2 years ago trying to talk to 'feminsits' and help them understand that just because you accept RP ideas doesn't mean you come to right wing conclusions, however, their efforts to chastise and demonize men for not accepting some of their ideas would eventually alienate enough men that women started losing more rights.

So when you take a guy like Tate he's a real scumbag even if he wasn't trafficking women, but it's hard to tell if indeed that's what he's doing because women weaponize sex so frequently that his victims start to look like random female predators. Feminists can't understand that because they don't have to experience any of what guys in the RP realm are complaining about. You would literally never experience it, so how could you know?

There's also the complete duplicity of female nature, where the same exact woman that's rubbing her wet body on you in the club might act like you're harassing her if you approached her in a grocery store.

The failure of feminism to push for true egalitarianism but instead try to be an individualist buffet for every woman to apply at their whim has led many men to become more extreme.

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I was on here like 2 years ago trying to talk to 'feminsits' and help them understand that just because you accept RP ideas doesn't mean you come to right wing conclusions, however, their efforts to chastise and demonize men for not accepting some of their ideas would eventually alienate enough men that women started losing more rights.

How is not wanting women to vote a right wing conclusion?

There's also the complete duplicity of female nature, where the same exact woman that's rubbing her wet body on you in the club might act like you're harassing her if you approached her in a grocery store.

It’s pretty obvious to me that if she’s rubbing her wet body on you at a night club, that she wants to flirt and possibly hook up. And if she’s just chilling at the grocery store minding her own business and not talking to you,she may not want to. It’s pretty shocking that you can’t differentiate the two.

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Because women are constantly sexually assaulting people and have been my whole life? And MeToo doesn't magically grant women a radar that allows them to predict when someone is a sexual predator.

And guess what? After MeToo women didn't just have less sex, or be more picky about who they had sex with, they were casually hooking up all the time. I was in LA until 2020 they were still fucking on apps at at the club.

Frankly I don't really care that much to argue about it. It's still that victimhood mentality that entitles you to try and dig through someone's post history to find something you disagree with.

It's like only 10 years later women finally realized that the guys they were still having sex with were often predators and men that respected women's boundaries basically stopped dating in 2016.

You can't conceive of the possiblity that YOU'RE the bad guy.

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Jamie tried to take advantage of a girl who’s been bullied for having her private photos leaked, she has enough self respect to know Jamie is just trying to do this based on his online views of women.

Jamie didn't tried to take advantage of Katie, he tried to take advantage of the situation he didn't create.

Jamie was a low value man, he saw Katie being made low value... he moved in.

Jamie then decides to scare her with a knife because she’s rejected him snd when she didn’t comply he killed her.

Correction, because Katie was bullying Jamie. You missed the part of the show in which detective's son explains this part?

The conclusion is a 13 year boy has killed someone because he’s been brainwashed into thinking she’s just a slut like all women.

Because 13 year old kids have a culture in which boys value is determined by sexual success. Jamie being on the bottom, then on top of that being bullied => pushes him over the edge.

All throughout the series he continued to claim “he’d done nothing wrong”

Insists he didn't do it, tries to avoiding the consequences of his actions.

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There's a interesting recent podcast episode critiquing the "Adolescense" show:

There’s a mystery of violence swirling in and amongst the kids these days. Especially boys. What could it be? Snapchat? Video games? Andrew Tate? A hit Netflix series points to issues, and policy. But is it pointing in the right direction? Today we’ll look at “Adolescence”: the origin story, the strengths and liabilities of its one-take technique, and its deceptively conservative messaging. Should it be shown in Parliament? Schools? Does it tell us much about the kids it is worried about? Does it offload responsibility for misogyny and violence onto ambient internet chaos, when there are so many other causes closer to home? And why, if it is a meditation on violence committed by boys, do we learn so little about the girls who are harmed?

Link: https://www.conspirituality.net/episodes/252-netflix-vs-andrew-tate-adolescence

Title	TV show Adolescence gets the pipeline completely wrong
Author	Crazy_Kray
Upvotes	178
Comments	454
Date	April 23, 2025 11:51 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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