I hate to say it but a lot of the ideas you have about finding partners and relationships is the result of being chronically online

13choppedup2chopped · 2023-03-24T05:19:29+00:00

Not gonna lie, I feel like I’ve seen these exact arguments posted here a lot. Lol

MortalWombat83 · 2023-03-24T10:44:24+00:00

I'm.a 4/10 IRL but look about a 7 or 8 in my best pics. I don't have success in either RL or online. I've dropped my standards to reflect my own...still nothing. I've had one relationship in my entire life which lasted 6 years. She was about a 7..but it goes beyond looks. At 39 I've resigned myself to incel status and I'm getting okay with that..acceptance that a turtle can't become a lion. I rarely if ever try now..I'm not attracted to 3s on any level so I'd rather just enjoy my life as best I can alone..I travel..go out to nice restraints and hit the gym alone..it not so bad actually.

Trazyn_of_Infinity · 2023-03-24T05:24:45+00:00

Nah, OP. The majority of women want a man who isn’t a schizoid and/or autistic. That’s #1. After that, there are definitely preferences, but looks will always be the primary difference between severe struggle and ease.

In any case, I have literally all the traits people here espouse as advantages: extremely tall, white, muscular, deep voice, etc. etc. Turns out that having a non-neurotypical brain (like is my case) that results in weird, atypical behaviors makes all those supposed advantages absolutely useless because women can sense shit is ”off” about me by just observing me for 10-15 seconds.

It is annoying, so I just bury myself in the gym more because I’d rather spend my time productively, at least.

CringeButCorrect · 2023-03-24T05:19:13+00:00

In my opinion, posts like these are meaningless. You're just saying a longer version of "just go outside" so this isn't meaningful, or actionable advice. Also, you think these people stay at home all day in this economy?

As someone with an active social life and plenty of female friends, it's not about just leaving the house and talking to women. It's about whether or not women see you as better than most of their options. If they don't it doesn't matter if you lick the grass, nothing's gonna happen.

Last-Post2085 · 2023-03-24T12:35:21+00:00

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Another useless thread spouting the same old useless drivel. How does this stuff get upvotes?

BN5130 · 2023-03-24T08:51:40+00:00

Okay so you went outside and saw people in relationships? I have gone out to bar/clubs once/twice every week for the last 18 months. Have spoken to 100s of women. Have gotten dozens of numbers/snapchats. Not one of them converted. Sure I have gotten laid 3 times, made out here and there but that's all.

To me this feels like the hardest shit ever. Going for it week after week, month after month despite consistent failures. However, I have noticed a massive improvement in my skills and now I just chalk it up to the girl wanting something else then me doing something wrong that had put her off.

But then I am 5'9" brown guy in a white country where average height of women seems like 5'7"+ and I don't speak the language so maybe that has something to do with it.

HazyMemory7 · 2023-03-24T10:00:53+00:00

The blue pill side of things here is just anecdotes and different forms of "touch grass"

but in real life women want someone who is taller.

In the US average man is 5'9, avg woman is 5'4. So you are saying that women on average want a man who is 5'5+. Do you think that's accurate in real life?

It's always odd to me when people say online dating should be disregarded because it's not real life. The entire point of online dating is to find someone to meet in real life and actually interact. And with the advent of apps and social media, online dating is a huge part of dating nowadays.

Cjaylyle · 2023-03-24T09:15:50+00:00

Women who are not high value and snapped up arent online and low value weirdos are not online.

The VAST majority of dating age women are constantly online, enough for their perception to be massively influenced by it.

Welcome to 2023

odd_cloud · 2023-03-24T11:50:31+00:00

There is some element of truth in this opinion. Yep, there are average guys who have partners.

But, the experiene of an average guy is not comparable to experience of top guys (tall, handsome, rich family). Top guys bathe in female attention in comparison to ordinary dudes, who find someone attracted to them once in a blue moon.

It is difficult to feel yourself adequate if your success rate is close to 1%. Yeah, you can find a partner, but you stil are generally unattractive for women.

So, I had a classmate in college, tall, handsome, risch and what not. He could pick up girls on the street, had frequent hook ups, had threesomes with girls and what not. Girls visibly liked it if he approached them out of the blue. How can an ordinary dude feel adquate in comparison to someone like that guy?

An ordinary guy may be considered for relationships, and he is carefully checked, vetted, and analysed. Guys like my classmate are good for fun just because they are two meters away from a girl, and saidd "Hi".

Implentofhell · 2023-03-24T06:44:54+00:00

Funny how your ideas of being chronically online ultimately come from online.

NittyGrittyDiscutant · 2023-03-24T06:12:55+00:00

dunno bout women, but when i check girls outside i compare them to the standards i know, including internet

so it's not like live is different

Balochim · 2023-03-24T20:09:45+00:00

It's so strange to me that it's not completely obvious to everyone the "chronically online" thing happens AFTER the rejection/ostracization. It's what people turn to when the "normie" route fails.... "Normie" is default. Telling people to go outside and touch grass is never anything more than schadenfreude. Op enjoying that it was so easy for them to "see the truth" while many here are stuck in hell despite their best efforts.

nicoleberry16 · 2023-03-25T05:01:02+00:00

Again and again, this kind of bullshit post keeps coming up. Don't know what you're on, but PPD is definitely overall accurate when it comes to IRL preferences for both men and women.

Sure there are some outliers, but don't deny that the rules are rigid. All games have rules and requirements. The dating game is no exception.

abaxeron · 2023-03-24T13:38:39+00:00

I go the mall pretty frequently. The amount of times I see a couple where the guy either looks meh or below that is pretty significant.

Yes. Guys who didn't find a partner have enough money to order delivery.

Online, and real life are different games.

I'll repeat what I said basically yesterday: yes, real life is worse.

AntiHypergamist · 2023-03-24T12:45:02+00:00

Writing a wall of text doesn’t change reality, you don’t even know what chronically online means and you keep repeating that phrase because you saw it ONLINE

Ohmaygahh · 2023-03-24T14:16:35+00:00

I hate to say it but a lot of the ideas you have about finding partners and relationships is the result of being chronically online

You must be terribly young. As someone who was in their 20s pre digital age, I'm here to tell you that you're wrong. :"Why are we unsuccessful with women" and "what are women attracted to" were the type of conversations my friends and I were talking about in shitty NYC chinese restaurants after school.

Online did a lot of things, but it started aggregating amounts of data in specific online spaces, many many voices of sexually and romantically unsuccessful men were sharing their experiences and comparing notes. We started connecting the dots. And what we were comparing was our lived, real life experiences.

We saw how college guys were successful with HS girls, how graduates were successful with undergrads, how certain guys just "had it" with women. Online didn't seed a false reality, the reality was already there. Since time immemorial.

And I wouldn't be crazy to say that most guys' frustration with finding a partner is because they really want the 8+/10 women,

That's simply not true. Me, and many of my friends, would've been happy with normal women in our age peer group. It just didn't work out that way.

Cardinal_and_Plum · 2023-03-24T16:02:43+00:00

I immediately discount an argument that uses an /10 rating for people's attractiveness. It doesn't work. It doesn't make sense and can only cause harm.

SmashBusters · 2023-03-25T02:20:23+00:00

And I wouldn't be crazy to say that most guys' frustration with finding a partner is because they really want the 8+/10 women, but those women have their own standards.

Yes you would. Dating app dynamics are biased against men due to the message disparity. I am always punching below my weight. I pretty much automatically swipe left on 8+/10 women.

insertcredit2 · 2023-03-24T07:01:35+00:00

I go the mall pretty frequently. The amount of times I see a couple where the guy either looks meh or below that is pretty significant. "I'm a 6/10, finding a partner is...extremely difficult".

https://www.scribbr.co.uk/bias-in-research/survivorship-bias-explained/#:~:text=Survivorship%20bias%20occurs%20when%20researchers,a%20subset%20of%20the%20population.

Here's that answer.

Real life is different. You don't have women walking around with measuring sticks (outside of TikTok content) looking to see if a guy is actually 6 foot or 5'8. Especially women who are 5'4 or below.

I'm tall no women ever needed a measuring stick to come up to me and say "you're tall". It's very obvious if someone is tall or not unless you're both sat down.

And I wouldn't be crazy to say that most guys' frustration with finding a partner is because they really want the 8+/10 women, but those women have their own standards.

This has been debunked by evolutionary psychologist william Costellos incel research. They don't have high standards at all they actually have very low standards. He goes on to explain this makes sense from an evolutionary perspective as it's high risk for a low status male to hit on a high value female so would want a low value female.

oooo020201lfl · 2023-03-24T05:18:29+00:00

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atmhere11 · 2023-03-24T13:39:58+00:00

Yes, these people need jobs

Far_Albatross_Far · 2023-03-24T14:09:30+00:00

Lol. I've gone out plenty whether it is in my home town or abroad, and it has resulted in nothing. Sure, I've gotten a number couple of times but nothing beyond that.

Women say that desperation is unattractive yet they practically force guys to humiliate themselves by putting on a fucking clown show in hopes she gets impressed and agrees to a date.

princess8inch · 2023-03-24T18:07:16+00:00

true

Ok-Word5284 · 2023-03-25T00:13:49+00:00

Literally made the EXACT same point like 3 months ago when I said "maybe the real pill is to go outside and try talking to people" but NO ONE LISTENED AND THE MODS TOOK IT DOWN

DisplacedBitzer · 2023-03-25T02:12:22+00:00

A lot of the complaints I read here match what I see in my Uni, in real life. So our experiences differ on that front. Hell, my family and friends all exhibit those traits as well.

AntiHypergamist · 2023-03-24T05:57:59+00:00

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schoolkidd · 2023-03-24T14:05:46+00:00

Mf stalked my profile because of this post. Then purged his account. Red pillers gotta work on their personalities.

Visual-Possible-3239 · 2023-03-24T19:35:29+00:00

This seems pretty spot on based on my own experience and observations and there is a reason arguments like this keep appearing. Of course there are major factors and important information that are not readily visible. But the best advice I ever got was don't take yourself out of the running, let the person you are interested in do that. You never know what might create that "spark", what special turn-ons, or tastes the person might have, you might be perfect for that person even if you don't think you qualify on paper.

If you ruin your own self-confidence by inventing rigid standards and then applying those standards on behalf of the person you are interested in you completely take yourself out of the running and have no chance at all.

I think that most women reading this will agree that confidence attracts, but it has to be authentic, you need to be comfortable with who you are, comfortable in your own skin. If you have that, you come across as likeable, and, with the right person that can turn into more. If you're stiff, awkward, worried that you're not tall enough, etc., you are just going to be awkward and stiff, and no one likes that.

THHBHStT · 2023-03-24T09:29:10+00:00

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Murky-Finish1733 · 2023-03-24T14:40:19+00:00

I have read anything but facts here. Every time I just stepped out the house and went to the mall or club or just being outside. People are dating, hugging etc. whether it be a short guy, fat guy, skinny guy. People are together. This whole of your short, if your this that is from these autistic lonely fucks on Reddit and YouTube

wtknight · 2023-03-24T12:09:01+00:00

I think that it’s fine for men to try to meet women online. I think that dating apps that are focused on casual sex are a bad place to do that, though.

Safinated · 2023-03-24T14:36:22+00:00

It’s a deliberate choice. Antisocial people will do anything to avoid being social 🤷‍♀️

WildWook · 2023-03-24T14:42:52+00:00

Oh for sure. This sub has a lot of incel logic floating around. I feel bad but honestly you can be ugly as sin and still have a partner lmao

riceweight · 2023-03-24T06:33:11+00:00

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SilentHackerDoc · 2023-03-24T20:56:40+00:00

I went to college and was a local celebrity and hit every party that existed and I even have a partner that is perfect and I'll still say it's almost impossible to find an actually good partner. I feel like whoever you are you must be living in an area that happens to be better with more options or in an upper class family where you have lots of connections or something. I'd actually argue someone who doesn't get out would be naive and think everything is perfect.

ForsakenBadger8 · 2023-03-24T21:33:32+00:00

LMAO pls😭😭😭😭this is probably the funniest yet actually real post on here

belachewhm · 2023-03-25T01:10:26+00:00

You basically just explained blackpill philosophy

VividlyDissociating · 2023-03-25T02:36:45+00:00

as someone who has spent most of my life online or online, i completely agree.

i knew i had to put myself out there in some way to find someone. you gotta weed through the assholes. theres always gonna be assholes and a lot of them.

most of the good ppl are hiding away from all the assholes

Nihi1986 · 2023-03-25T14:32:46+00:00

Regarding your last paragraph, I don't need to date the highest quality women but if you are advicing men to lower (even more) their standards, that's actually terrible advice.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2023-03-25T18:59:12+00:00

All the statements I make is the result of experience and observation of stuff I have seen other men go through. I didn't discover the manosphere until like 2017, but a lot of what the men are saying, meshes with what I experienced and observed other men go through.

I can't count how many times I seen the same arguments posted here that I heard 20 years ago.

This stuff was being talked about on various male forums before stuff started to get centralized under websites like this one.

Some of this I heard from my grandparents born in the 1910s and 1920s who lived through the Great Depression and WWII!

Think_gawd · 2023-03-26T05:22:34+00:00

The reason most of us are here is after getting jackknifed irl and looking for more information. Classic gaslighting figures

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