If TRPillers were honest with what they´re saying, they would have 0 issue with single women, cat ladies, sluts etc.

Hosj_Karp · 2025-01-15T09:21:02+00:00

One major thing TRP gets wrong is that sexually successful men A. Hate women and B. End up marrying chaste virgins

No, men who are liked by women like women more in return (we like people who like us--one of the most basic findings in psychology) and people end up pairing up with people like them across almost every domain (including promiscuity)

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-01-15T11:05:38+00:00

TRP is not a monolith. Men under the label want different things from life, from relationships, from sexual encounters, for the women in their life.

But we all know this isn´t true. The men in manosphere circles are SEEETHING whenever a woman says she´s happily single, whenever a woman is promiscuous etc. Whenever there is a woman like this suddenly it´s time for moralizations.

You are over generalizing.

Women simply ignore low value single guys. But men get sadistic glee when an older woman is a cat lady.

The equivalent is some older women SEETHING over men they would actually want to be with them, being into younger women. I have never been confronted with more toxicity from women, then when it's about age gaps with young women. And it's very clear they are only interested in the young woman's wellbeing as a facade for their own interests and hurt ego.

If women are as awful as you guys say, if they bring so little value into your life, why do you even care what they do?

It's not about the women, it's about the men. Can't you look through it? It's individual men, who are frustrated with their own situation, lashing out at the people they think are responsible for it, or make responsible for it, because it feels better to not be the reason for one's own situation oneself.

TermAggravating8043 · 2025-01-15T09:38:26+00:00

Your forgetting the main thing, redpillers don’t view woman as “real” people, they don’t have thoughts and feelings like men do snd they are simple slaves to their “female nature”

So happily single woman are against nature as far as their concerned, this selfish woman should be at least serving a man somehow and not putting herself first, likewise single mothers etc shouldn’t be “doing the best for their kids” they and their children should be starving on the streets desperate for a man to save her and shamed for having sex

MrsKML · 2025-01-15T14:01:25+00:00

I have no input. Just here to say, I love cats. If I hadn’t met my husband, I’d have definitely chosen the cat lady life.

Clean-Luck6428 · 2025-01-15T14:08:31+00:00

If TRPillers are so awful and don’t bring value to your life then why do you care what they say?

RapaxIII · 2025-01-15T14:40:30+00:00

TRP is about explaining how people and relationships work, not about hating women

Every time a woman posts one of these threads it really just sounds like they just take whatever a RPer says as a personal attack (a you problem, not them)

RahLyt · 2025-01-15T09:08:09+00:00

Lol TRP do the same thing every one does, they insult people where it hurts.

Being a man and single is not an insult at all. Now being a man and a virgin, is where's the insult is at. Women have no problem using this is an insult lol.

Actually every other conversation I have here there's an implication that I'm not getting laid lol.

It's just human nature. Women do the exact same thing.

DietTyrone · 2025-01-15T17:45:47+00:00

Grave misunderstanding of TRP positions. Their positions are based mostly around what benefits men based on states and societal trends.

TRPillers hated marriage

They don't hate marriage. They say it's not a good deal because divorce rates are high and divorce court tends to be an uphill battle for men. So they don't encourage it. If the laws benefitted men or at least created more equal risk on both sides to encourage people to only divorce as a last resort, then they'd be more supportive of it.

they would have 0 issue with promiscuous women

Stats say promiscuous women are more likely to cheat or divorce men, so why would they support that?

women who don´t get married and career women.

They don't have any issues with women who don't get married, though they may criticize the reasons for it. And career women tend to be combative and ego driven, which isn't good for men who want peace.

If anything these women would be exactly what they want.

For sex maybe.

If women are as awful as you guys say

Describe something men say about women that isn't based on stats or explained logically? Having criticisms doesn't always equat to hatred.

OmoshiroiKudamono · 2025-01-15T11:27:35+00:00

The "Red Pill" is the understanding that intersexual dynamics between men and women, especially in terms of dating, are different than the "status quo."

What men do with that information is up to them. TRP does NOT offer solutions. That is up to each specific man based upon his goals.

No-Rough-7390 · 2025-01-15T10:36:00+00:00

Men want sex positive women. I think this is where a lot of the plot gets missed.

A woman with a boyfriend for a year who has sex everyday had 365 encounters with a body count of one.

A woman who has lousy (as women self report in these instances) sex with a new guy each month now has one of 12.

The difference between the former and the latter is that the former demonstrably has skills to keep a man. You know, the shit that’s actually going to matter down the road along with being sex positive.

You can’t even confidently say either about the second.

That why even though I’ve said serial monogamy is kind of the cover for promiscuity to some degree today, at least it shows they have some skills to keep a guy.

bluepvtstorm · 2025-01-15T09:50:34+00:00

My worst insult to a man has never been about his sexual prowess. My worst insult to a man was about his lack of ability to have anyone care about his existence at all.

Waste of space, air and basic building blocks of carbon. Their mere existence has stolen the required necessities for an item that could actually serve a purpose on this planet. They have nothing, are nothing, will always be nothing and will continue to be a non-factor to anyone they ever meet shows how their carbon was wasted.

The inability to have sex did not factor into the equation at all.

purenonsense2757 · 2025-01-15T09:44:06+00:00

I think their argument is more that there is no middle ground anymore. The average man. Now it's more like like either high value or no value. Of you put the average men in the no value men category, then it eliminates 80% of men.

DzejSiDi · 2025-01-15T10:04:54+00:00

If TRP was an amoral place, aimed purely at helping men get laid,(...)

*mostly, not purely. And yes, you're right, if you dig a bit deeper, you will find that endorsed contributors on average had similar mindset.

That was a good start, unfortuately, every paragraph below is full of hyperbole, BS, misunderstanding, lies and histeria. Therefore, instead of correcting what is wrong, I just pointed out what's true, way less work that way.

Fit-Repair-4556 · 2025-01-15T11:47:24+00:00

Yes that is right men are more miserable single (or at least sexless).

Men are so miserable single that they turn terrorists and shoot up places, or put a crazy person in position of power.

That’s the way it is and that’s the way it will be until humans exist.

WillyDonDilly69 · 2025-01-15T14:17:24+00:00

Redpillers have zero.issue with those women but advise men to not date them or at least give them a serious relationship because their are a ticking bomb that may tuin them.

RapaxIII · 2025-01-15T14:46:54+00:00

But we all know this isn´t true. The men in manosphere circles are SEEETHING whenever a woman says she´s happily single, whenever a woman is promiscuous etc. Whenever there is a woman like this suddenly it´s time for moralizations.

Lmfao the projection in your post is so thick it's tough to read. Who TF is "SEETHING" learning that women aren't at all what we thought they were

AssPlay69420 · 2025-01-15T15:04:43+00:00

Yes. Because if they open up the Pandora’s Box of their emotions, it threatens women’s perception of their own social success because it would reveal that, deep down, a gigantic amount of the people around you are miserable.

If, instead of couching their despair underneath all that bullshit, they came out and said “I fucking hate myself and feel like all the women around me view me as a rapist because, while I’m autistic and weird, I personally wouldn’t harm a fly. But the shit some other men do or what women see on the news makes me feel exiled by association”… the feeling would be beaten to fucking death.

When men tell you that “women will use vulnerability against us” what it really means is that you won’t allow for the possibility of them being unhappy as a byproduct of the decisions you make.

Yes, you are free to live in whatever way you want. Men, however, are also free to cry about the results of it.

None of them give two shits about these arguments. All they’re doing is trying to find an opening for their pain that isn’t immediately argued down.

Despair isn’t some rational thing. It can come as a result of anything.

You want us to hear your experiences without hearing our emotions and it’s untenable.

How is this a sustainable dynamic?

We already feel like we suck at everything and then aren’t even allowed to accept the emotions around that because it breaks you so quickly when we’re honest about them. (Hell, watch that one get the “male tears” treatment.)

You’re good people and that’s why it hurts to hear. But male emotion can only get to you through the Trojan horse of angry fake rationality.

SteveSan82 · 2025-01-15T16:00:08+00:00

Red Pill is not anti marriage. Not all Red Pillers want sex with sluts. Red Pill is just understanding how women and relationships work.

Nidken · 2025-01-15T17:06:14+00:00

The motto of the Red Pill is "enjoy the decline". It doesn't advocate for what you speak, it isn't idealistic, it is a sombre surrender to reality.

TasteAccomplished · 2025-01-16T00:26:41+00:00

I've seen plenty of women try to weaponise virginity or lack of romantic success against a man when it suits them in an argument, honestly probably even more than the inverse

KamuiObito · 2025-01-16T01:38:53+00:00

Why is it always the men who has to be wrong. Yall are just avoiding to criticize women at any point or an any capacity. They are e essentially on a god level atp.

Proudvow · 2025-01-16T04:47:33+00:00

Pre-2010s almost any guy could get laid and enjoy the decline, but things changed after the popularization of dating apps.

Tradcon elements have slipped into the TRP community alongside the knowledge that not every guy can just go out there and fuck a ton of women now, and some need stable relationships instead.

I have never seen women care about whether an older man is single. Women simply ignore low value single guys.

Sis you are literally on a subreddit where men are constantly accused of and mocked for not being able to get laid. Nobody buys this.

abaxeron · 2025-01-15T10:14:15+00:00

If women are as awful as you guys say, if they bring so little value into your life, why do you even care what they do?

Dinaro.

When women sacrifice family for career and fail at both, they make men married to someone else absorb the costs.

I have never seen women care about whether an older man is single.

Oof. Okay, nice bubble.

TheRedPillRipper · 2025-01-15T10:18:34+00:00

The men in manosphere circles are SEETHING

In TRP, this is known as The Anger Phase. Yes. There is a lot of hurt, angry, and upset men in The Manosphere. There’s also a ton of men trying to help. To guide these men through that anger, into a place of acceptance. Then hopefully, onto a place of happiness.

TRP is amoral, because it is simply sexual strategy. That’s it. If one wants to use TRP to sleep with a ton of women, there’s advice for that. If they want to use TRP to better their marriages, it’s useful for that too. If TRPers are seething, upset and angry, they’re unfortunately the only one’s who can address that. It’s that simple.

xxxMisogenes · 2025-01-15T15:56:19+00:00

Repillers are aware of women's hypergamous nature. Some are very disappointed men that have been gaslit by their moms and SO and get bitter, some quietly MGTOW to varyiny degrees and some apply it to pick up artistry. While it may be trite, they aren't a monolith.

I think your issue is many redpillers are telling women what women's plan A should be, which is the same as Men's best plan A. Date intentionally and monogamously. Men that hit the anger phase or take themselves out the game are on plans B, C, or D. They may be just hooking up, keeping things in situationships, celibate or using hookers because they are to damaged to trust. These men want sluts for easy action but can still tell women how to execute plan A

DeathcoreOnly · 2025-01-15T14:59:54+00:00

I swear women just make shit up to be mad at or make themselves a victim

BringBackBrothels · 2025-01-15T08:59:25+00:00

No, the problem is, these women are selectively promiscuous. Meaning, they do this with the top 10% of men. Then when they want to settle down, they’ll give the nice guys a chance. This is where the frustration occurs.

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chobolicious88 · 2025-01-15T14:57:58+00:00

Its because trp crushed their childish illusions about love, basically took trp out of necessity/cope

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ArmorAbsMrKrabs · 2025-01-15T17:22:08+00:00

If I don't find the right girl, I'm going to become a single crazy cat man.

2 or 3 cats max though. Having 9 kinda makes you a little crazy.

SliceNDice432 · 2025-01-15T19:44:06+00:00

It's silly. Guys rely on sloots in the beginning. It's how many lose their virginity. Then in their 30s, they really think they're going to meet a virgin? Get out of here. It's best to not ask questions you don't want the answer to.

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TheNattyJew · 2025-01-16T03:13:18+00:00

It is TRP that's calling old single women cat ladies. That is something that normal people do

waffleznstuff30 · 2025-01-16T17:23:40+00:00

I said it before and I will say it again.

A lot of TRP/Manosphere bros all come from a place of a wounded ego some kind of trauma. They got rejected. They had a divorce. They had a gnarly break up. Like stuff that honestly sucks. Instead of processing it moving forward growing. They are in a place of a wounded ego. So it's easier to to blame and generalize and categorize women. Have this mentally arms length approach because it's about ego. They are a man by worth of being a man they are special and entitled to it. Because these larger than life egos. TRP just caters to that ego (modern women suck. Submission, etc etc). So a lot of it is irrational and angry. And why a lot of their things are completely silly "a virgin whore" "women are used goods" "the wall" objectively rating women based upon what they think they are and that is absolute. It's just ego and wanting to feel important.

And I think the single women, cay ladies, sluts piss them off because that ego damage. They can't comprehend someone okay with being single okay with it and not centering around pandering around their desires.... Because ego... Since all the threats they lob at women "you'll die alone" "you'll end up a cat lady" "good luck finding a man who takes you seriously"

It's just a bunch of hurt men spewing nonsense trying to stroke their own egos.

Automatic_One_1519 · 2025-01-17T21:19:04+00:00

Does it matter? The men that think this are fundamentally broken and are not suitable for loving, long term relationships. They are bottom of the barrel.

RoseyButterflies · 2025-01-15T11:26:46+00:00

RP care a LOT about women do and more than anything they care about female validation.

That's why a lot likely end up completely whipped because they live for that female validation.

So when they are single they care about how much females and female validation they get.

When they are in a relationship it necomes getting validation from that 1 female.

caption291 · 2025-01-15T13:38:46+00:00

TRP doesn't dictate what society/women are like, it reacts to it. Aka the decision I would make in the society I wished I live in is different from the decision I would make in the society I do live in.

You're treating a lot of statements as if they were statements on how things should be instead of what's the best way to deal with a shitty situation.

Like marriage is extremely appealing to me on an individual and social level as a genuine commitment to stability independent of short term emotions....but "marriage" in modern society basically removed all the benefits of the commitment while making the downsides even worse for men. So I don't want to get married but I want marriage to be in a state where I do and there's no contradiction there.

In other words : I will simultaneously want and hate things at the same time in the same way that someone might simultaneously want and hate a job.

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2025-01-15T13:39:41+00:00

Rp is about understanding what women are attracted to so they can improve their chances of success. Everyone has a different view on what success is.

Teflon08191 · 2025-01-15T20:08:36+00:00

The men in manosphere circles are SEEETHING whenever a woman says she´s happily single

Not "seething". We just don't believe her, and we're less reluctant than ever to call her on her ostrich-like behaviors.

WebBorn2622 · 2025-01-15T15:33:27+00:00

In the looney tunes show Daffy Duck gets kicked out of a country club and says “I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club that would have me anyways”. And I think that’s the incel position on women.

They view themselves as the scum of the earth, so anyone willing to sleep with them must obviously be deranged or filthy. They must be bad women.

And they only want the best women. How do you know she’s a good woman? Well the good women wouldn’t associate with the scum of the earth, so by rejecting them she’s top tier.

YveisGrey · 2025-01-15T21:12:51+00:00

You said it. Women literally do not think about the men they don’t want yet it seems all men think about is the women they allegedly don’t want. 🤔

kexavah558ask · 2025-01-16T15:47:42+00:00

Because those women are social freeloaders: they, over their average lifetime, get social security/medicare/public safety/defense from men without providing them with sex and kids.

On the slut's case, cut the "sex" part, but the rest stands. It changes nothing if they're not included in the roster (only a minority of guys get to consistently be in several).

On the single mother's case, it's the guys speaking have no 'baby mama'.

You get the gist.

So, seeing them suffering alone feels like comeuppance. Think of that as you will.

There's is a curious exception in all but Abrahamic Reactionary and Liberal/Equalitarian masculinist circles: women who don't reinvent themselves as damsels and start demanding traditional husbands as they age, demonising men for pursuing sex with hot young chicks(the majority of them in my experience), but actually humble themselves and revise down what they can expect, while staying sexually available.

Don't believe me? See how single older(ish) women are treated at parties, clubs, or concerts. Do you think older bachelors resent them when they're flirting? Or in outright misogynistic/ageist circles (e.g.4chan, Yukio Mishima/Nietzsche fans), how teachers who sleep with their students get met with panegyrics and the boys with envy.

It's just hard to fall into this category when you're younger because we expect the usual bait&switch. Very few do not demonize male sexuality, even if they are promiscuous.

AntiHypergamist · 2025-01-15T09:33:08+00:00

I thought the red pill was about helping men get a loving relationship

Title	If TRPillers were honest with what they´re saying, they would have 0 issue with single women, cat ladies, sluts etc.
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