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Feminists already trying to ban sex robots as "demeaning to women", to control male sexuality.

melniav0

September 15, 2015
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Title Feminists already trying to ban sex robots as "demeaning to women", to control male sexuality.
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melniav0

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Date September 15, 2015 1:31 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]mwobuddy 783 points784 points785 points 10 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Ban dildos, they are demeaning to men.

[–]pnw_diver 357 points358 points359 points 10 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

And while we are at it, let's go ahead and let every other ideological or religious group with sexual taboos and sexual moralizing ban what they don't like:

  • No gay sex, in order to appease the religious.
  • No oral sex, in order to appease prudes.
  • No interracial sex, in order to appease the racists.
  • No protected sex, in order to appease conservative Catholics.

And then, appease the feminists, meaning most heterosexual contact and activity at all will be banned.

Feminists are trying to control people's sex lives. That's bad. That's authoritarian or dictatorial in nature. They're no different than the religious conservatives when it comes to sex.

As far as sex substitutes for men, such as the hypothetical robots, are concerned, you'd think feminists would be thrilled. Such devices would allow men an outlet for sexual needs that never require actual women, meaning feminists can finally be free of the unwanted attention and advances from men.

[–]RedditorJemi 183 points184 points185 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

Who the fuck says that women have a right to relationships with men? What theory of natural rights says that men must be deprived of alternatives to women so that women can continue using men as a resource? Absolutely none. Women have no right to relationships, but only a sense of entitlement that has been enforced by an artificial cultural barrier to male freedom, namely marriage. Men will not be free and equal citizens until the rate of this scourge of men is reduced to its natural level, which will be damned near zero when it ceases to be propped up by societal norms.

"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said.

No. The creation of these robots, along with the creation of the artificial womb, will mean that a man can have a real family that cannot be arbitrarily removed from him merely on a woman's whim. Stable families that no one can fuck with - that is what our society needs.

Feminists can whine and complain and protest and fight us tooth and nail on these two technologies all they want. And they will do this. But we're getting them, and in the end feminists aren't gonna have a damn thing to say about it. They can pretend they have a right to relationships all they want, but in the end they're going to find out just how wrong they are - and just how unnecessary they are.

 

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[–]RockFourFour 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, to her and most mainstream feminists, women are too stupid/incompetent to provide for themselves. They need a man to oppress/provide for them.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The creation of these robots, along with the creation of the artificial womb, will mean that a man can have a real family that cannot be arbitrarily removed from him merely on a woman's whim.

While I want robots and artificial wombs for a number of reasons, aren't there things we could do to improve the situation like more education and social programs?

[–]eaton80 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Education for whom? Divorce court judges? Or white knight legislators that oppose Shared Parenting legislation?

[–]BorisIvanovich 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why try to fix our social problems, when you can grow motherless/fatherless children in a lab and masturbate with a human-shaped sex toy instead of making love with a spouse?

Jesus Christ, it's such a depressing vision. I don't oppose the development of either technology, but the idea of wanting THAT instead of a relationship with another adult human and a child who is gestated, nursed and raised by both its parents... it's like a dystopian anime plot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Constructing legions of familial robots seems easier than trying to vastly effect society, as it requires no social funding or initiatives. And large scale public education isn't as effective as people think.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a sucker for the hard path.

[–]mcavvacm 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The feminist who cried rape mate.

They'd lose their foolproof way of locking males up.

[–]nopurposeflour 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They'll just say men are raping robots lol.

[–]mcavvacm 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But it is truly alive?

Fun fact: The real Matrix rebellion will happen when a waifu refuses the advances of a neckbeard because a feminist uploaded a "proper modern womyn" protocol into it.

[–]Afrobean 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If AI could achieve true sapience and could have wants and desires of its own, yeah, you could rape a robot.

[–]LooneyDubs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well the bot can't exactly consent...

[–]LEGALinSCCCA 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting to see that all there. It appears that every minority group is fighting for the highest victim status and position. Well, not all (racists etc).

[–]Chef_Lebowski 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This just proves that these cunts only want attention on them, but when you do give them attention, you're some misogynist pig. Either way, you can't win with these mentally bipolar cunts. And the easy answer would be to just punch them hard in the face, but that would set men back quite a bit. You can't win with these. And notice how this shit is only happening in the Western part of the world?

In Japan, they have sex dolls and robots and even anime figures to fuck. No one bats an eye because it's not a problem. Prostitution and weed are legal in Netherlands, or Amsterdam to be more specific and no one has a problem because everyone there is chill as fuck. If only we had legalized weed everywhere and prostitution everywhere, maybe these cunts would chill out a little more.

I am so fucking sick and tired of women dictating how I should act and feel and then when I argue against it I'm labelled these stupid terms and even made-up ones too. For fuck sakes, even one of my teachers in college who I looked up to a lot is a feminist and it's a he too. How sad.

I need to move away from North America. I can't stand this fucking culture of being easily offended and men having little to no rights.

[–]nc863id -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

There are three results for the word "cunt" on this page (well, four now I guess), and they're all in your comment.

Tone it the fuck down.

Edit: Right, vote this down, because supporting vitriolic and demeaning language that give feminists claims to deride the MRM as being hollow and misogynistic is exactly what we should be doing.

[–]Chef_Lebowski 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But I don't want to, it's the Internet.

[–]JayBopara 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great reply, and yes these feminists just want to ban robots to moralize heterosexual men & boys. Feminists, religious zealots, racists, prudes please all fuck off.

[–]garglemesh42 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As far as sex substitutes for men, such as the hypothetical robots, are concerned, you'd think feminists would be thrilled.

Hahahaha, nope. If men had good sex robots, that means women couldn't use men's generally greater libido against us - it would remove a huge advantage they have when it comes to dating and actually make things more equal. ... can't have that, after all!

[–]20rakah -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists are trying to control people's sex lives

mostly just seems to be the sex negative ones

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is such a poorly defined mess of conflicting ideas according to context that you couldn't ascribe any idea absolutely. Some people are against sexbots and they use feminism to justify that. How many that is and to what degree is pointless to ask unless there is some objective measure. You just go with saying that the people who do oppose it are feminists.

[–]64asss545645654 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ban dildos, vibrators, and make snide comments every time a woman buys a cucumber (because, like lotion, there are no legitimate uses for cucumbers).

I am not just a penis you get to shop around for, like buying a dildo off the shelf! Stop objectifying my body like I'm to be picked off the wall according to size and shape!

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[–]redditorriot 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dr Kathleen, can we have a comment, please?

Dr Kathleen?

[–]ExpendableOne 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Realistically, women's access to free/meaningless sex extends far beyond just dildos and vibrators though. Most women have access to men, which they purposefully keep at arms length, that they can call up and have meaningless/free sex with at any time. Women have, for a very long time now, benefited from countless social privileges when it comes to sex, desirability and dating. Men having realistic sex robots at their disposal isn't quite being able to call up someone any time you want and have them come over to get you off, women will probably always have the monopoly on that one, but at least it's something new for men to experience without being entirely dependent on women's whims, expectations and entitlements. It's not like women are just going to change their attitudes towards average or non-attractive men(which may as well be anyone under 6', over/under weight and not especially pretty) any time soon.

[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't that the point, though? These sex dolls will be able to fulfill the human+vaginal sex connection need for males, thus diminishing the power of real women to hold men with sex.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth. It's not about having sex with men. Its about not having sex with men but using the potential to get benefits. Men that women want to have sex with don't have any use for sexbots.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dildos are far worse than sexbots. At least a sexbot is pretending to be an entire person that you can interact with on some intellectual level. A dildo reduces a man to a penis, it literally objectifies a man.

It's ironic given the complaint that the problem with sexbots is supposed to be that they reduce relationships to purely physical interaction. More feminist projection I think.

[–]zer0t3ch 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The accurate dildo analogue would be a fleshlight.

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[–]zer0t3ch 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Put a slash before it:

\#BlackDildosMatter 

becomes

#BlackDildosMatter

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[–]zer0t3ch 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

who knew what I did unintentionally did wrong

Okay Jayden, It's Time For Bed.

[–]fullhalf 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no man, that's restricting female sexuality. that's misogynistic.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This reminded me of the attitudes women, at least from what I've seen online, tend to have toward fleshjacks and stuff like that. It's very negative, often calling it creepy or weird.

Yet women with dildos or vibrators are perfectly fine and normal.

It's silly. If you want to fuck a robot, go for it. I could never justify the price that type of thing would cost, though I'm not against the idea personally. There's no valid reason to ban development of this.

This also reminds me of those 'realistic' sex dolls that are really expensive.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Expensive is relative. It's a bargain when compared to child support, divorce, or blowing big wads of cash to attract/keep a woman. And that's just the money aspect. Time also has value.

There's no valid reason to ban development of this.

This needed to be repeated.

[–]LooneyDubs -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah! All sex ends in unwanted children and marriage. Companionship is over rated! Yeh! /s

I agree with you, just think before you speak.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Given men's shitty options for contraception, I'd say that unwanted children is a very real risk for men. We have shitty pre-conception options AND zero post-conception options. This should make any man think twice.

Though there is a lot of social pressure to marry, marriage is completely voluntary. However, many men are cornered into it due to an unwanted pregnancy and might choose marriage over child support payments (yes, this happens).

[–]LooneyDubs -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't have sex with someone who doesn't share your ideals. Get a vasectomy (which can be reversed). You have options.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you on the initial subject. I'm just saying your reasoning is juvenile and ill-conceived (pun intended).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually have had a vasectomy, with zero intention of reversing it. This was a great solution for myself, but this isn't good advice for: men who definitely want kids some day or men who are too young to get one. It's notoriously difficult to get one if you aren't at least in your mid-20s, and I had to do a lot of dr. shopping before it happened for me. That's a lot of time for things to go wrong, a lot of time to ruin your life.

They also say that you shouldn't get one if you are a fence sitter and aren't 100% certain you don't want (more) kids. I disagree with this and think a lower threshold of "don't want kids" is acceptable. Unwanted pregnancy has a much harsher penalty than no (more) kids ever. And that's discounting the possibility of a reversal or freezing sperm ahead of time.

[–]LooneyDubs -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Off topic now but IVDs and the pill are coming soon. Relax your sauce mayne. It's really annoying you got upvoted for the circle jerk.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i've heard countless times that if a man gets a fleshlight, he'll be a virgin for.

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[–]turntheradioup 70 points71 points72 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is a serious danger to people who have "nothing more than physical" to offer

That's their exact problem with it. It will decrease their value, especially if that is the only thing they bring to the table, and of course while all women aren't like that, there is a large percentage that are. So much so it's been made into a punch line. How many times have you heard reference to a woman using sex as an award or lack of for punishment? Sex is currency for many women, because it's all they have, as they never needed anything else.

[–]manicmonkeys 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ironically enough, this all remind me of a quote many feminists direct towards straight white dudes....."when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression". Not verbatim, but close enough.

[–]civildebater 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually think that's a quote by the economist Thomas Sowell: "when you're accustomed to special treatment, equality feels like discrimination."

[–]manicmonkeys 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It may be, it's just that virtually every time I've seen that quote used it's in that context.

[–]thisjibberjabber 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily all they have, but perhaps the most in-demand thing not requiring formal training.

[–]theDarkAngle 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isnt even a NAWALT/AWALT thing. The problem is that on some level, all women fear that the only thing they really have to offer is sex. Whether its true or not.

[–]turntheradioup 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well even if the ones that have more to offer like having the safety net, or another weapon in their arsenal. However you want to view it.

[–]gaedikus 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a serious danger to people who have "nothing more than physical" to offer

the gravity of this line is fucking palpable.

[–]LooneyDubs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol yeah but a sexbot is only going to replace master nation for a long time until it's really really convincing

[–]Bwhitty23 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think they don't want this because for the most part women don't have the same interest as men and men bother with women to get the pussy. Not to say you can't be friends with women but a lot of women only have their pussy to offer. For some men that's enough but for other men that is the bare minimum. What do you provide beyond a hole?

[–]TheFacelessMany 92 points93 points94 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, the idea of a sex robot creeps me out a little. But give me 10 more years... The article stinks of desperation. It's all too easy to find evidence of isolation and masturbatory habits as a completely viable alternative for most men. It follows that if these sex robots can provide a more immersive experience, it is very likely that those habits will not only be viable, but potentially preferred. I say: good. I hope it happens. I really hope the market of men who are unattached, financially secure, and unable or unwilling to intimately interact with women continue to push this field of technology forward.

[–]Stephen1985 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Tbh the amount of money some people would spend on these would give the tech a huge boost.

[–]dungone 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Personally I would prefer if there wasn't an entire marketing department dedicated to getting me to spend more on the woman I'm with. I honestly don't know what is worse - all of Madison Avenue planting ideas in real women's heads, or a single advertising agency that has direct control of the actions of a female facsimile.

[–]H8-Bit 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You could always root your sexbot like you would your phone.

[–]electricalnoise 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, wait wait.... Just hold the fuck up for one second.

If I could do that with my phone, we'd be having an entirely different conversation right now. It would look awfully silly held up to your head though lol

[–]H8-Bit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

5 days late, but I've seen things

[–]gaedikus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gov't: can we weaponize it?

[–]bikemaul 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Will a sex robot lead to more habitually single men? Will it allow some men that stay in relationships now to make the jump to a happier single life?

It's possible, but I don't expect it to have that big of an effect on the relationship market for women. Robots are essentially fancy sex toys. The novelty wears off. I think virtual reality will have the same fate.

A male exodus to MGTOW would do wonders for the average male that needs a relationship to be happy.

[–]NijjioN 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's the thing... sure sex is basically physical thing, but a lot of men want the feeling of being wanted. Which a sex doll wouldn't give.

So even in a sexless/hateful relationship it might help a little but it will never fix getting the feeling of being wanted.

"The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy."

[–]wanderer779 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's more about social standing than feeling wanted. Most of the guys I know, their wives don't make them feel good, in fact most the wives I know are disrespectful and unappreciative. Men do it because they want a family and they don't want to be the old lonely guy that everyone thinks is gay or a weirdo or whatever.

[–]NijjioN 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's true as well, it's never just 1 reason though but a combination, some just more than others.

[–]chavelah 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the consensus among the men I know - sure, it would be an interesting novelty and they'd like to give it a try, but a robot can't love you or desire you or enjoy your body, so it's never going to be as satisfying as real sex. It's a new variant on the classic "whacking off to porn" routine, and it's not worth 50 grand if you are currently having decent sex with a human partner - although it might well be worth 50 grand to an involuntary celibate who is already deprived of the emotional satisfactions of sex and might be happier with a more elaborate facsimile of physical act than a Fleshlight or a video or whatever they are using currently.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

fact of the matter is, men need relationships to be happy. so it really isn't about sex. it's about love. now, in the modern era, women have become so entitled that it's hard for a lot of men to satisfy women and thereby, getting love from them. that's why we have this mgtow movement now. i believe things that can help with sexual urges will of course help this movement but the real root cause is female entitlement. so it's not as though this doll can make these mgtow men happy.

[–]20rakah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Holy machine by Chris Beckett covers a bunch of stuff with sex robots at the start of the book

[–]HotZone_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the following model is any indication, I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLy-AwdCOmI

[warning: that video is frequently listed on "top ten creepiest youtube videos." Here's a cracked article on "Tara" http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-singing-android-that-will-ruin-robots-you/]

Virtual reality combined with sensory inputs will probably be the big thing in the short term.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

sex robots arent going to be mainstream for at least 20 years. the materials are too expensive. a realistic sex doll right now without any motors or ai is like 7000usd. how much would it go up if it was a robot? most people aren't going to pay 20000 for a sex bot that only kinda looks real. what's really going to happen is, a virtual reality overlay onto a body that feels like it's real. that'll bring down the costs enormously.

you buy a doll that has realistic skin texture and proportions. you wear the vr headgear and it places an overlay on the doll and looks real. i just hope that vr can make the sex game market big enough that real talents and production value will enter the market. as of right now, i have yet to find a single sex game that is not complete shit. they're really only a notch above porn so why would anyone play them instead of watching porn?

[–]FigNinja 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe some men who are not comfortable going to a prostitute would be comfortable renting time with a bot.

[–]PeregrineFury 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It only seems creepy because you've been programmed to think that make sexuality should only be about sex with a partner and anything masturbatory in nature is pathetic. Somebody else mentioned how dildos for women aren't really that taboo, but the equivalent (flesh lights) for men are not mentioned unless it's with disdain.

If you're in the US, it's partly due to those early religious folk in this country (thanks Puritans) who thought sex was awful and evil and the human body along with natural functions and needs were shameful, and partly due to our culture of machismo and manipulation where as someone else mentioned, we're told sex is our primary goal and need to the point where women can use it as currency (to me we've kinda let this happen, our culture acts like women don't want sex as much as men, but they're driven by hormones as much as we are, it just comes to down to a gender driven motivation/allowance subject).

Hopefully things like this can help unchain people from their belief in sex and the human body as shameful or creepy. It's totally unnecessary and honestly a little juvenile (that's not at you, that's in general) and I really hope this happens as well.

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[–]OilyB 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"orgasm gap" - Hahaha!

[–]CyFus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

next comes the dreaded mineshaft gap, we are going to have to select several women for their sexual attraction for each male to repopulate the human race

[–]djwork 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dr strangelove?

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

hyperbole but not even that farfetched sounding. that's how far radical feminists have taken it these days.

[–]OilyB 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, we'd be more than willing to get them ALL the orgasms they're running behind on, right guys? Don't mind closing the gap there. I'm a trooper that way.

[+]Afrobean -33 points-32 points-31 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Many feminists are sex-positive and are pro-pornography.

And even many of those ones would still agree that this could be a real problem in the future. Normal emotional development could go out the window for people who use these instead of connecting to other people. A robot with sufficient AI to pass a Turing test is a LOT different than masturbatory tools that we've used throughout human history so far. The article even goes out of their way to talk about how these would be for more than sex, that they'd be used for emotional bonding, and that's something that porn and sex toys has NEVER delivered.

[–]double-happiness 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Normal emotional development could go out the window for people who use these instead of connecting to other people.

Normal emotional development goes out the window when female hypergamy, double standards and duplicity peaks in society, as it is doing now. I've not much time to talk about this right now as I've work to do, but I'll give you a couple of examples: I told a woman that I was very much in love with - and we were hanging out together, this was not a casual conversation - that I have never met my father. Her response: "that's freaky!". A female friend of mine also recently said to me that only body-builders have what she referred to as 'proper bodies' for men. Ironic considering she has never been inside a gym AFAIK. Nope, it's not sex robots who are stunting men's emotional development IMO; to an extent, it's modern women, with their lack of openness and consideration, ridiculous unattainable standards (unattractive, overweight single mothers who expect to bed George Cluney), lack of respect for and derision of men in general, contempt for 'nice guys', and stubborn adherence to outdated gender roles such as male chivalry, paying for dates, etc. I believe this situation is even worse in Asia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf2--TJYuxc

[–]StarsDie 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'Sex positive' yet call anything and everything sexual they don't like 'objectification'. Yeah, I don't buy their version of sex positivity. Sounds like a bunch of horse shit to me.

[–]bakedpotato486 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You bring up some good points. I think the reason you've been downvoted so much is that first, very debatable sentence. On the whole, feminists are rather against any sex involving men. I would even argue feminism's support of gay rights is just their way of telling men to go fuck themselves.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Women going to college has been proven to interfere with the normal development of women (ie get married and settle down and have kids in their 20s).

Let's ban that.

Also what about sperm donations for single women? They're cutting the man out entirely and reducing him solely to his reproductive function.

[–]dungone 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are no feminists who feel that male sexuality is healthy. Especially not in any way "safe" for women.

[–]duglock 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many feminists are sex-positive and are pro-pornography.

And even many of those ones would still agree that this could be a real problem in the future. Normal emotional development could go out the window for people who use these instead of connecting to other people. A robot with sufficient AI to pass a Turing test is a LOT different than masturbatory tools that we've used throughout human history so far. The article even goes out of their way to talk about how these would be for more than sex, that they'd be used for emotional bonding, and that's something that porn and sex toys has NEVER delivere

Why is it that those on the left are so obsessed with controlling others? Controlling what you eat, your private property, what kind of car, and now masturbation. Any white male that continues to vote for an ideology that hates and wants to destroy them might as well just commit suicide instead of dragging the rest of men down with them because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 162 points163 points164 points 10 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, thousands of women around the world who fail to find a man to have children with, resort to unnatural insemination of an unknown male's sperm.

[–]MonkeyCB 57 points58 points59 points 10 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Well not really, they have laws where they get to find out now. That's probably why the UK has a whole 9 sperm donors.

[–]TheFacelessMany 103 points104 points105 points 10 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

You missed the important part:

"... they have laws where they get to find out now, and then can sue them for child support ..."

[–]sheko404 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Has there been a case where that happened? Where a guy donates sperm to a sperm bank, bank gives it away anonymously (or at least having the women know the guy wasn't going to be a part) and him picking up child support? Please don't shatter what little faith I have in the system.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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Some states have laws protecting donors, others do not. Here's a little more legal info.

Edit: /u/qemist points out that the legal link I posted is outdated/inaccurate. Looking through your own state's laws on the issues is best. Because laws make it sound like you are protected, does not mean you are. All it takes is a good opposing lawyer and a shitty one on your side, and you can find yourself being another example. Protect yourself first.

[–]qemist 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Inaccurate legal info. The author apparently is unaware that FERGUSON v. McKIERNAN was reversed by the PA Supreme Court. That was a private arrangement anyway, not one conducted through a state sanctioned fertility clinic.

[–]dungone 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a difficult subject. For one thing, private arrangements should be protected by courts. For instance, sperm banks are sometimes involved in cases where women get inseminated with a husband's or ex-husband's sperm without his knowledge or permission, even after the sperm bank was contractually obligated to destroy the man's sperm. And yet courts rule for child support from the spermicide donor because "reasons".

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a better link I could post instead of that one? I want to avoid spreading misinformation.

[–]Stephen1985 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It has happened but i think the point is that in many places you are not allowed to remain anonymous anymore, that's why sperm banks in the uk are really trying to get people to donate.

Fuck that.

Edit: found this

[+]Geekmonster -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I tried to donate in Southampton, but they wouldn't let me because both of my parents have Type 2 diabetes.

[–]asocialWeirdo1 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Jeez, why not give the woman sperm with a higher likelihood of not getting diabetes? Nothing against you, you'd want the same thing probably if you were a woman seeking sperm.

[–]Muffinizer1 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its weird though, type 2 I thought was primarily caused by your eating habits and lifestyle.

[–]Geekmonster 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's genetic, but you will develop it sooner if your lifestyle sucks. I'm 35 and still ok, two of my siblings are 49 & 50 and still ok. It's sad that it's used as a reason for me not to breed by donation. I already have a son.

They blame the lack of privacy for the low donor numbers, but I'd like to see how many other men they turn away and their reasons for it.

[–]Techynot -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because the women who chose to get pregnant by this method are not exactly the pick of the litter?

[–]Really-bad-at-puns -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Man, you're a dick. If I may exaggerate for a moment, "they're ugly so it doesn't matter if their kids have diabetes".

[–]Techynot 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugly or have deep personal issues that make them undateable. Lets face it, most men will put up with a lot to get laid.

[–]PeregrineFury 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I remember reading about a case where that happened a couple years ago (sorry, can't give a source, it was a stars and stripes article while I was deployed). I think two lesbians had a kid that way and I don't remember the details, but the guy had signed all the necessary paperwork absolving him of any responsibility, but a judge said fuck it and was forcing him to pay. I don't remember much else because I mentioned to some people I work with and one moronic bigot decided the real issue was the lesbians having a child and how that was an "inherently evil household". I spent a fair bit of time arguing with him after that about how it was almost certainly a better place than an alcohol/drug addicted heterosexual household to his constant retort of "Bible says" so I've forgotten a lot of the details.

Sorry man, it pays to be cynical these days.

[–]sheko404 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you remember if the guy went through the sperm bank, or just had some lesbian acquaintances sign a peice of paper saying they wouldn't come after him?

I have heard of women (Craigslist comes to mind) wanting a baby, but not a father. So they get pregnant, promise they won't pursue child support, but then pursue it. And I'm pretty sure every time the judge has ruled for child support.

What I'm praying/hoping is that if a man goes to a sperm bank, he is in no way responsible for any children unless he and his girl do it together.. he donates it to the state, and it's the states sperm, not his (therefore not his child / child support)

[–]PeregrineFury 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Naw this was through a totally legit sperm bank donation where he signed legally binding paperwork saying it belonged to whomever used it and not him. He was donating but wanted no ties. Then a judge overruled it and didn't care and forced it on him. I distinctly remember that because it was such bullshit.

Why do you think other people are saying nobody wants to donate anymore? There's been a precedent set to fuck over dudes who just want to help someone out.

[–]qemist -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Generally it is hysteria. I don't know of any case anywhere where a bona fide semen donor has been held liable to pay child support. Men who had sex and called it a donation have been held liable. Almost every jurisdiction in the Western world has a law that shields bona fide sperm donors from parental liability. The details of what counts as a legitimate donation vary.

[–]weeglos 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Generally it is hysteria. I don't know of any case anywhere where a bona fide semen donor has been held liable to pay child support.

Now you do.

[–]qemist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BS. Do you read?

the parties didn’t involve a licensed physician in the artificial insemination process

[–]Hazz3r 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not entirely correct. We only have 9 sperm donors because the tests the clinics do are ridiculously strict. We actually have thousands of people who donate but only 9 actually get used.

[–]wanderer779 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I considered donating sperm when I was younger. Now I am glad I didn't because they've started coming after these dudes for money.

[–]jubbergun 102 points103 points104 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course feminists want to bury these before they're even developed. It would destroy women's social capital and make it so that women would honestly be judged on the basis of their personality and abilities. The whole point of modern feminism is to avoid responsibility and accountability and convince men to do things for women without expecting anything in return.

[–]Davidisontherun 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It would also drop the number of women being forced into being a prostitute.

[–]jubbergun 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And probably also the ones that choose to do it of their own free will.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah but they don't honestly believe that nonsense about sex trafficking being a major problem in the west.

That just sounds like a better slogan than "we don't like competition".

Basically the women who are anti prostitution (and porn and sex robots) are treating those issues the way striking union workers treat scabs.

[–]springy 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This, of course, is an attempt by her to control sex. Fearing that women will lose their power over men, when men can get their rocks off with R2D2, she is demanding that all the C2POs remain celibate. Genitally mutilated robots.

The reality is that much of our future life will be automated, and we will be at the mercy of hopefully benevolent AI. I, for one, will sleep my way to the top if our new robot overlords demand it.

[–]liquid_j 62 points63 points64 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

WE ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF THE MALE ORGASM. If you wana nut, make sure to apply to the correct authority, fill your forms out in triplicate, and an approved woman will let you know if you can have that orgasm. Typical filing time is 3-6 months.

[–]baserace 45 points46 points47 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

27 weeks later - "Man rapes robot"

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[–]PassifloraCaerulea 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We don't have Strong AI yet. Until we do, sex robots will not be conscious in the same way that humans are. I don't see how it is any more meaningful to talk about the consent of a non-sentient robot than it is to talk about the consent of a vibrator.

Or to put it another way, does your web browser consent to you using it to browse the web? What if your computer gets a virus? Does it get pissed off at you for infecting it? (No.)

Even if we have Strong AI, we wouldn't have to use it in building these things. We're just talking about ever more sophisticated Tickle Me Elmos...that you can stick your dick in. *ahem*

[–]thisjibberjabber 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And even with strong AI, why would sex be any more traumatic for robots than any other activity, if they weren't programmed for it to be?

We tend to assume, without evidence, that strong AI means an interior life just like a human. And even a lot of humans are fine with having sex with just about anyone (in some cases for a fee).

[–]wanderer779 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They've already gone there. There was a ted talk about it

[–]baserace 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Link, please!

[–]wanderer779 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i looked for it before I posted but I couldn't find it

[–]wanderer779 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nevermind found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVBjfHzdI4

she is a feminist porn producer so she has a double stake in this not happening

[–]fullhalf 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WE ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF THE MALE ORGASM.

not even remotely false.

sexy females in video games? misogynist.

porn? mysogynist.

fleshlight? hahaha you virgin, shame on you.

hit it and quit it? you fucking asshole pervert mysogynist.

prostitution? they're sex slaves you mysogynist!

sex robot? mysogynist.

want women to pay for dates? fuck you cheapskate beta loser!

want women to approach? in your fucking dreams beta.

judge women on looks? you shallow mysogynist fuck.

[–]CyFus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a movie that had that exact line. I forgot the name but the cover has a huge red ball on it. Basically the movie sucked as a cyberpunk drama but it had a scene where men had to register to have sex with a permit and had collers on them where if they masterbated they would be fined for every offence. Sex robots were for the wealthy and that was what defined class.

I really need to find the name of it

[–]ThatEconGuy 41 points42 points43 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists: "ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS! ALL MEN BEAT WOMYN! KILL ALL MEN! STOP HARASSING ME!"

Men: "Okay fine, we'll leave you morons alone. Just let us build some sexbots first so we'll have something to occupy our time with."

Feminists: "YOU CAN'T LEAVE WOMEN ALONE! THAT'S MISOGYNISTIC AND EXCLUSIONARY TO PROUD, FIERCE WOMYN!"

[–]R_E_V_A_N 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men have sex with women; feminists get pissed off.

Men don't have sex with women; feminists get pissed off.

When will they learn that men just don't want to have sex with crazy feminists?

[–]belil569 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Soon as they also realize HAES is bullshit and we dont have to love 'all' of them.

[–]richardnorth 137 points138 points139 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Many in the manosphere predicted this would happen many years ago. This article is like clockwork. It's completely unsurprising that they're gonna start freaking out over men being able to get sexual satisfaction while bypassing all the bs, drama and baggage that comes with real women.

[–]Tilting_Gambit 102 points103 points104 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

It's why women slut shame and cock-block. They like to keep the value of sex high so that men pour more resources/effort/time into pursuing it. If women ever just allow their sexual inhibitions to disappear then men are no longer the pursuers in relationships and women don't get to select their partners with the same frequency. Women don't know they don't want other girls to put out, but they benefit greatly when the value of sex is high.

Exactly the same with hypothetical sex AIs. If men are getting sexually satisfied by robots then they're not going to pursue women with the same intensity. In economics terms, the demand for women would drop and therefore the price men are willing to "pay" for them would also drop.

Alternatively women would be buying sex-AIs also, so maybe the entire market would just cease to be as competitive.

[–]Stephen1985 57 points58 points59 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Its also a huge factor in why prostitution is still illegal in my opinion.

there just dont seem to be any good arguments for not legalizing it but nothings happening.

[+]ZEB1138 -28 points-27 points-26 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I personally don't trust the cleanliness of a hooker and wouldn't have sex with one even with a condom.

[–]spinagon 44 points45 points46 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And that's why they should be illegal for everyone?

[+]ZEB1138 -25 points-24 points-23 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No. Not saying that.

The fact that its unreasonably expensive and is of questionable cleanliness would limit its appeal, were it to be legalized.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh? Wouldn't prices go down and cleanliness go up instead?

[–]FrigOffCyrus 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In countries that have legalized it, this is exactly the case. They have laws mandating STD testing among other things.

[–]manicmonkeys 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like recreational drugs, cost is driven by risk primarily.

It's not that it's all that expensive to actually produce marijuana (as one example), but the risk of the grower getting in physical/legal trouble that makes the end product more pricey.

On a relevant note, because there is no regulation of quality or standards by the government, there's also a higher chance that the type of person willing to risk big problems by growing illegal drugs isn't going to be overly concerned about the safety of his product for the consumer. There is an artificially inflated demand (and therefore cost) for the product due to the law.

The same goes for prostitution.

[–]DickEater420 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's why prostitution is insanely unpopular in places where it's legal.

[–]Workchoices[🍰] 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where prostitution is legal and regulated, prostitutes have a lower STD rate than the general population.

[–]dungone -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was pretty sure that was the case even where it was illegal, if you limit it to the population of women who are likely to sleep with a guy they just met.

[–]lollergagging 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's legal then it gets regulated in some way. If not by government then by the business. And if not the business, the customers.

Check out the legal prostitution in Nevada. Condoms, showers, regular tests. The whole nine yards.

[–]lonmoer 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IIRC, prostitutes are actually less likely to have an STD than members of the general public.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Relevent as all fuck.

"I think a lot of women look at prostitutes like they're scabs crossing a union picket line."

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes and jp morgan used to say "there is the reason people say they do something, then there is the real reason." the argument against prostitution is human trafficking. yet if it was legalized, it would be almost impossible to use sex slaves for it because it will be audited. it's much easier to do so if it was illegal and hidden.

[+]Lokimonoxide -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex AI is in ai, or a sex aL?

[–]CommanderZx2 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe this is why there is this hatred towards beautiful female video game characters. i.e. large breasts or revealing clothing. The women feel jealous of the virtual character that is gaining attention over themselves, with men willing to spend more time with the game than them.

A woman cannot stack up against a perfect looking female virtual character, so she must try to force the company to make them look uglier.

[–]fullhalf 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

basically anything that lets men enjoy sex without a real woman is frowned upon. it's a pattern isn't it? no matter what excuses they throw at you, the underlying correlation is there. if a man can get his rocks off without a real woman who is attracted to him, then he shouldn't be allowed to. basically the only way they want men to enjoy sex is to pander to women in hopes of getting sex. alpha men are also frowned upon on the surface too. only pandering pussy licking shit is socially acceptable to women.

[–]Bwhitty23 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder if this is built in and has been happening for a long time, which is likely, or is it societal, cultural, etc and this is a more recent phenomenon?

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women have been trading sex for food and protection since the beginning of time. so if a man can get sex from some other way, that's bad for her.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's really the main reason why prostitution isn't legal.

[–]3bady420 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is the campaign leader....nuff said

[–]zotekwins 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What insane man would ever choose a machine over this beauty goddess?

[–]Bwhitty23 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She is worthy of being a subject by some artists of antiquity.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She'd make a good Gorgon.

[–]FigNinja 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That poses an interesting question. If most men had a choice between a sex bot skinned to look like a very beautiful woman and a plain real woman who was sweet, kindhearted, and treated him well, I wonder which they would choose.

I think part of what women find intimidating about a bot is that it's physically perfect. It won't age. It won't get stretchmarks or sagging breasts from bearing babies. It represents a physical ideal most women can't attain or can't keep. Same thing they find intimidating with many female comic book and video game characters.

[–]ExpendableOne 60 points61 points62 points 10 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

I find the idea of women being threatened by robots that men could fuck to be more demeaning to women than anything. Men have had to contend with vibrators and dildos for decades, and yet never really considered those to be "demeaning to men"(the only demeaning thing to men is how women treat men and how men allow themselves to be treated by women). I'm not even sure how something that isn't actually a woman and that has no will of its own could actually be "demeaning to women".

[–]chocoboat 41 points42 points43 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Came here to say this. You feel threatened by a mannequin with a hole in it? Is that what you see yourself as? A sex toy for men that'll be less valuable after the introduction of a competing product?

[–]ExpendableOne 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's both frustrating and sad at the same time. Most men would be happy to just find a decent looking girl who wants to have sex with them, values/respects them, and who aren't abusive, crazy or entitled. I feel like the bar for women is very low compared to what women expect men to be for them(their lists are considerably longer). How is that so hard to accomplish? Like, all they would have to do is be half-way decent people, treat men equitably and take some initiatives, and they would make the sex robot industries completely obsolete.

What's worse, is that they will simultanously complain about the lack of fuckable men(i.e. men over 6'0", who look like brad pitt and are jacked as fuck) while also feeling the need to restrict the sexual options of those men. They don't want to fuck them but they don't want those men to be able to have sex either. How miserable are those men expected to be for feminists to be happy?

If these women, or feminists, spent half the time/energy they seem willing to spend on trying to ban sex robots, or anything men could find any kind of joy in, and spent it on being nicer people(or just less entitled and narcissistic divas), men probably wouldn't give a shit about sex robots. They say feminism isn't about hating men but you can clearly see that these women would rather spend the majority of their time/effort taking away things that make men happy instead of just finding ways to bring happiness into their lives.

And, like prostitution, this would essentially be taking away some of women's monopoly on sex. You would think that feminism would be somewhat happy about this. Here is something that could actually reduce female privilege and encourage women to treating men a little bit more fairly and equitably, and here they are fighting to maintain those very female entitlements/privileges.

[–]TheFacelessMany 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I asked a female friend about this exact issue a short while I ago. I asked "With sex aids like dildos, vibrators, strap-ons — the list goes on and on — designed specifically for women, why would you bother dating or having sex?" Her response was an unsurprising "Because its not all about the sex. I date because I also crave the bonding, not just the sex." Again, males tend to be more self-sufficient on the bonding/social side. It will be fascinating to see what happens in the coming decades as this technology develops. I'm going to agree with TheDude41 below that the backlash will be so striking that laws will be put into place to limit access to such things.

[–]dungone 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dildos don't pay for dates.

[–]Scimitar66 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The creation of romantic and sexual robots has the potential to radically change gender relations- especially because the development of the technology coincides with the growth of a large population of men who are increasingly disillusioned with the behavior of women.

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes and it will be hugely in favor of men because men are much more useful than women. so it'll be harder to make a male robot than it is to make a female robot. men just want intimacy. women want intimacy AND a provider. isn't it crazy how fucked up japan is? it's like they are a socially advance race in the high tech era. they were the first to have guys fall in love with dolls. everybody laughed at them until we realized, oh shit, western society is headed towards that direction too.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There will always be men who want female companionship and who seek women out because they are just that passionate about the female gender(arguably, an obsession), and men who put the relationship above sex(basically nice guys that most women loath or take for granted). Women would have to screw up pretty bad to lose the admiration and devotion of those men, given how much abuse those men are often willing to take from women for female attention.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

basically women will still ride the cock carousel but when they hit the wall, they suddenly realize that there will be fewer betas that will support them. then suddenly these betas become super valuable. lol. suddenly these women are taking it up the ass and tossing salads and deepthroating these betas and shit in hopes that they can hook one.

[–]deeptimeswimmer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait. Dont tell me. Dude 41 said "chivalry is shit".

[–]IvanDagomilov -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit. Women hunt the resources. They want your wallet, your car, your house. They want social status without working for it. Don't ever kid yourself about this.

[–]Demonspawn 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men have had to contend with vibrators and dildos for decades, and yet never really considered those to be "demeaning to men"

That's because men and women are different.

Men seek relationships for sex and reproduction. If men can get sex without women, that reduces women's power over men immensely. If men can get sex and reproduction without women, women will know equality, and they will hate it.

Women see relationships for procreation and support of said procreation. So sexual devices are no real competition for men. A vibrator may get a woman off, but said vibrator won't fix her sink or pay for a repairman who can.

The real thing that is demeaning to men is how women are changing government to support women as a replacement husband. This issue of "Bureaugamy" is huge and a serious issue that most of the MRM doesn't want to discuss for various reasons.

TL;DR: replacing women's sexual function with robots will shift the sexual power balance in a similar way to how women have replaced husbands with government.

[–]daymi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, I just have to ask: what's the difference between reproduction and procreation? I've seen people distinguish them before, but I don't get it...

[–]Demonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reproduction is to make babies.

Procreation is to have and raise babies.

The reason I used different words is that men can spread seed far and wide (take a shotgun approach) while women have to invest in each birth as they are tied up for 9 months per reproduction.

[–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because the MRM people are idiot bluepillers who can't see that women and feminism isn't about equality and never has been. It has always been about appropriating away men's privileges while giving up none of women's privileges.

[–]PerniciousOne 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

Most likely it will be the complete opposite, because men will have had enough sex with their "sex bot" they will be treating women as intellectual equals, and they will have to actually offer something more meaningful than just their bodies.

[–]esantipapa 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they will have to actually offer something more meaningful than just their bodies.

I am pretty sure that is precisely what scares the shit out of these women about sexbots.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all part of female sexual strategy. It is why women's groups traditionally hate pornography, hookers, strippers, pretty much anything that offers men sexual relief without commitment.

Trust me, if it was male sex bots to enhance "relationship satisfaction" the "experts" would be telling us how this is the best thing since sliced bread.

[–]yayimadeit 66 points67 points68 points 10 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link

My friends and I were just discussing this the other day. It's my opinion that if they can get a decently priced robot that can give sexual pleasure that is 60% of what a real woman can give then it will end society as we know it. Most men would settle for 'ok' sex in exchange for having it when they want it, as often as they want, and with none of the financial risk that a marriage carries.

For untold generations women used sexuality to ensure they were taken care of. That's about to end, and it's going to be a very, very ugly transition.

Oh, and my friends think that 60% is too high. They would settle for less if they got the positives outlined above. Ugh, it all makes me really sad too because this is going to happen and no feminist scholars are going to stop it. Men will walk through fire to get laid and someone somewhere will offer this no matter how outlawed it would be.

[–]intensely_human 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If the robot can change in appearance, I think it can get away with 30% of quality. Sex with the same woman year after year approaches 10% quality level or lower, IMO. The difference in level of arousal between having sex with your wife and having sex with a woman you've just met is incredible.

[–]alucidexit 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Imagine it - a robot that can change its appearance to fit any woman you know. Game over, baby! Game over!

[–]Stephen1985 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you just described armageddon

[–]xereeto 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now, where have I seen that before...

[–]StarsDie 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24717919/images/1368089310068.jpg

[–]StarsDie 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/74/1385740031294.jpg

[–]Workchoices[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You could probably just buy a new skin to put on it. In fact i cant see why they wouldn't do this. You could even license the appearance of famous porn stars etc.

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[–]bakedpotato486 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As long as you've got the hardware down, a humanoid robot, all these new features would just be software upgrades.

[–]Rolten 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. The actual PIV part of sex is only that: a part. There's also exploring each other bodies, feelings, preferences, and having fun while doing so. Then there's also the whole snuggling bit afterwards.

For sex, it might be able to satisfy my 'urges'. But what I think a lot of men crave is not sex, but intimacy.

[–]yayimadeit 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree but the vast majority of men easily separate the act of sex with the acts of intimacy. Most can function just fine without intimacy but not sex. Look at prisons across all the gamut of societies. There's not very many snuggle parties in the rec room but there's a whole lot of prison rape, and most is by heterosexual men who just need to fuck something because that urge is undeniable. It's just not the same requirement for partner intimacy.

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For sex, it might be able to satisfy my 'urges'. But what I think a lot of men crave is not sex, but intimacy.

absolutely true. however, there are a lot of men out there who are incapable of attracting a woman. it's getting harder and harder as female entitlement grows. so if these men can get some of the things they need without a woman, it'll be even easier for them to go the MGTOW path.

[–]Mediumtim 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but imagine if this removes just a small amount of men looking for a mate from the equation. Even more women will be single against their will, even more will struggle financially and know that their time to have a child is running out.

Even more will get pregnant (on way or another) and be forced to raise a child alone.

The doctor is right: this is bad for society as a whole. But today's society is so awfully biased against men I'll gladly see it collapse and rebuilt.

[–]eaton80 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. FUCK any society that would intentionally turn a free-born man into an alimony slave.

[–]TheFacelessMany 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just where do you get off? I want to believe you're kidding...

Even more women will be single against their will

What does that even MEAN?! I've been "single against my will" for years and years, much longer than any female friend I know. Nobody is going to give me a pity party. It's not like there is a conspiracy to keep me single. What a load of shit.

even more will struggle financially and know that their time to have a child is running out. Even more will get pregnant (on way or another) and be forced to raise a child alone.

You are the reason this sub exists. All of these things are women making choices and you are presenting them as if they are natural disasters. They need to OWN UP to these choices and people like you, Mediumtim, need to stop EXCUSING them from such things.

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For untold generations women used sexuality to ensure they were taken care of. That's about to end, and it's going to be a very, very ugly transition.

that's why they're making all sorts of demands for high paying jobs that they don't deserve just because they have a vagina.

[–]IMR800X 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Late night drunktruth: If a woman were even half as good as this thing, she could start a religion with her vagina.

[–]H8-Bit 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, if you have a spare $1000 lying around...

[–]CyFus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The overall goal is population control, to crash birth rates and create a future society where people are born with machines ala brave new world in the next 20ish years

[–]ZEB1138 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree. A robot can't provide the companionship and emotional support that a real partner can. You can't share your hobbies and passions with it, you can't get affection from it, and it'd be unhealthy to develop feelings about it. There's a significant comfort in relationships that transcends mere sexual gratification and having sex with someone who wants to have sex with you, as well, is a lot more meaningful and satisfying.

I don't think sex robots will have a significant impact on society. I don't think they'll ever see more than niche appeal. They definitely won't replace the traditional male/female relationship.

[–]dungone 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The whole fear is that AI would sufficiently provide for companionship and emotional needs. Just look at the amount of men who have checked out of society to fulfill their social needs with video games. An AI will probably be able to read your emotional state better than a human, through senses that humans do not have and comparing it to petabytes of data with scientific precision. It won't even take a robot - your laptop with an Internet connection will be able to do this. The laptop/robot will have no intrinsic emotional state of it's own to prevent it from reacting in the most appropriate way to your emotional state. An AI will never accuse a man of having the "man-flu" when he's feeling sick, for instance. That already gives AI a significant edge, even if they're not perfect.

[+]ZEB1138 -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Ignoring the ethical objections to buying a sentient artificial lifeform, you're operating from the flawed premise that women are, somehow, objectionable.

First off, it'd take a great deal of self-deceit to convince yourself that the affection a computer gives you is "real." You paid for it. It's programmed to like you. It's essentially an emotional hooker you buy so you can pretend you matter to someone.

If you're so afraid or angry at women that you want nothing to do with them, more power to you, I guess.

[–]esantipapa 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's essentially an emotional hooker you buy so you can pretend you matter to someone.

How is that different from marriage?

[–]dungone 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am speaking from the perspective of an engineer, not a potential consumer. Ad hominem don't bolster your argument. You're more likely to buy one of these things than I am. I would be more likely to be the guy selling it to you.

Ignoring the ethical objections to buying a sentient artificial lifeform

These objections are naive and, broadly speaking, inappropriate anthropomorphisms. The focus on "buying" suggests that machines are held in bondage when they serve the purpose for which they have been created or that perhaps there are some opportunity costs to not giving them "freedom" that in turn suggests an error on the part of their creator in terms of fitness for purpose. Besides, "buying" harkens to a scarcity-based economic model and sets us up for similar debates to the one about whether copying "intellectual property" is akin to stealing a physics object. Invariably it's the people who try to create rules that enforce artificial scarcity who are ethically challenged. It's also important to keep in mind that you can't necessarily stop it from happening because "buying" isn't necessarily a necessary step to technological advancement.

First off, it'd take a great deal of self-deceit to convince yourself that the affection a computer gives you is "real."

And I already addressed it by pointing out that there are different tradeoffs which make up for the lack of perceived authenticity. Would you rather have an "authentic" experience of being verbally abused by by some ball-busting hypocrite or would you prefer an "inauthentic" experience from something that can better detect how you feel and provide a healthy response? Your argument is like saying that people shouldn't go to see a therapist to talk about their problems because they're not "authentic" friends. Or that dolls shouldn't be given to teenage girls to teach them about pregnancy and childcare because the dolls are not "authentic" humans, even if they simulate wetting their diapers.

It's essentially an emotional hooker you buy so you can pretend you matter to someone.

You disparage the very real bonding experiences that hookers provide to their clients. These are also "artificial" relationships involving money. Perhaps you're even special pleading. Why's the difference between a human and a robot serving as that "emotional hooker"? I can think of a few beneficial ones, such as being able to spare human prostitutes from a lot of noble but otherwise unsavory charity work (e.g. sleeping with a badly disfigured burn victim who will otherwise never enjoy sex ever again, or with a clumsy virgin who never had experienced it before).

[–]ZEB1138 -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

verbally abused by by some ball-busting hypocrite

It really seems like you've dated the wrong kind of women if that is your presiding impression of them.

[–]dungone 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Again with more ad-hominems? They don't bolster your argument. As I said, I am not interested in becoming a consumer of these products.

But what's your argument here, really? Would you want us to get rid of domestic violence shelters because the people in them just dated the wrong kind of person? That's basically what you're trying to do here. So AI companions shouldn't exist for vulnerable populations because, like you said, they should just find someone who won't abuse them? Or else they deserve to be all alone?

[–]ZEB1138 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have nothing against the use of sex robots. Like anything, they're fine in moderation. I don't think they're a replacement for human relations, though, and I do think it has the potential for unhealthy use.

I'm less okay with using and owning sentient computers, but we are very far away from that right now.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the right kind of women? Couldn't one just don't have to argue and be loved all the time even if this love is programmed in a robot? I really can't see your point in this discussion, you make too much emotional appealing and it won't work here, soz.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First off, it'd take a great deal of self-deceit to convince yourself that the affection a computer gives you is "real."

You're operating from the flawed premise that we give a shit if it's "real" or not. It doesn't have to be "real"; it just has to be semi-convincing.

[–]yayimadeit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is truth, plain and simple. And it's terrifying to consider how it will play out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really all that terrifying. I mean, the worst case scenario is that women fail to correct their bitchy behavior and bitchy attitudes, and men turn to the robots because it's easier and less time-consuming than dealing with womens' bullshit. So the world's birt rate goes down. Big fucking deal.

[–]TacoNinjaSkills 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

A robot can't provide the companionship and emotional support that a real partner can. You can't share your hobbies and passions with it, you can't get affection from it, and it'd be unhealthy to develop feelings about it.

Prove it. You can't because they don't exist yet. This is nothing but a series of unsupported scaremongering statements.

[+]ZEB1138 -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

While it wouldn't be for me, I certainly understand the appeal of a sex robot.

That being said, relying on a robot to outright replace all aspects of female companionship isn't healthy. It would take an extreme amount of denial to convince yourself that playing house with an automaton meant anything or had any significance. You'd be no different than those anime fans and their body pillows.

[–]TacoNinjaSkills 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That being said, relying on a robot to outright replace all aspects of female companionship isn't healthy.

Once again, a claim with no evidence.

It would take an extreme amount of denial to convince yourself that playing house with an automaton meant anything or had any significance.

For you, maybe. How do you know that it would true of everyone?

You'd be no different than those anime fans and their body pillows.

Would you rip away the body pillows from anime fans to leave them with increased depression and loneliness?

[–]ZEB1138 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Living in a fantasy world isn't the way to deal with depression and loneliness. There's treatment for depression. It's possible to work on being more outgoing. Running away from your problems doesn't fix anything.

[–]JasePearson 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Aw mate, give it a rest. If I want to love a sex robot, I'll bloody well love a sex robot, thanks.

[–]ZEB1138 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have nothing against sex robots. I just don't think they'll be widely used because there are aspects of human romantic interaction that can't be replicated by a machine.

[–]thisjibberjabber 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you seen the film "Her"? It's useful as an illustration of how an AI could be seductive. And that's not even counting the body. "Ex Machina" gives an illustration of that.

It does give me the willies a little, but I wouldn't be so sure a lot of people wouldn't find it compelling.

[–]yayimadeit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Open the browser history of a thousand normal males. You won't see many "Lifetime" movies or google searches for romantic candles. What you will find is a vast sea of PORN of all shapes and sizes. Do I want a Porterhouse steak for dinner? Sure! Do I want to cook it? Hell no. I'll just grab McDonalds and that will be just fine. It's not exactly what I wanted but it's good enough.

Sex bots in very short time will certainly be 'good enough'.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're basically saying: "COME BACK TO THE MATRIX, YOU'RE A WROND DEPRESSIVE SAD WEIRDO BEING OUT OF IT"

ps: i'm not a redpiller, so my matrix concept is not linked to their.

[–]Rafoie 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Companionship? You can have friends or a pet. A dog can give affection and will never take half of your assets and slander your name. The robot can take care of your sexual needs. Your friends will give you people to interact with and share experiences with. There are ways to solve all of what you outlined as a potential issue with out involving a female partner.

[+]ZEB1138 -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Friends and pets are great, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that the emotional intimacy you share with your significant other is anything like how you interact with your friends. Having someone choose you over every other person on the planet is a good feeling. Being loved is a good feeling.

I honestly don't know how old you are or what your life is like, but I'm at the point in my life where the comfort of that kind of relationship is immensely desirable. Where meaningless sex is unsatisfying.

[–]AnewAccount98 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm as close with a few best friends as I am with my significant other. I trust she'd take a bullet for me, but I also have others who I trust just as heavily.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but what areas of your relationship with your SO could not be covered by a robot that provides sex and some very close best-friends? I don't mean to phrase this in a attacking way - I'm genuinely curious if I'm missing some perspective here.

[–]ZEB1138 -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably the biggest point is love. Having someone love you is probably one of the best feelings there is. Robots can't love and the kind of love I'm referring to doesn't exist between normal friends. It's a great comfort to have someone solely devoted to you.

On top of that, there are definitely things some people would feel uncomfortable sharing with their friends that they share with their SO. Your deepest feelings, your fears, your insecurities...maybe you have that kind of relationship with your guy friends, but I'd imagine the emotional intimacy you see between two partners is more commonly where you see it.

[–]yayimadeit 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You talk like intimacy and sex are intermingled for men. They just aren't. Men can just fuck for the sake of fucking and that fulfills a shitload of intimacy need. Yeah it's not perfect, but it's getting right up to 'close enough'.

[–]Rafoie 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So... I realize I am just one guy but... I have a friend who I've known since 5th grade. We've been friends ever since. its been like 15 years now. He moved away and we eventually both moved to the same city many years later. Constantly in contact. We are roommates now. We've been through so much shit together. We've helped each other through our own dark phases, places, and people. I trust him more than anyone I've hooked up with or had a typical relationship with. I have about 3 friends who would fall in this category. They are people I would do anything to help and would share any information with. I seek council from them often and pick their brains on all sorts of topics. They seem to know me better than I could ever know myself. However I know them better than they know their selves.

If you can not trust your friends and closest allies, who can you trust? I don't give the title of friend to everyone I am friendly with. People I can not trust are acquaintances. They may be fun to hang out with and chat with, but nothing more is to be gained or lost from interacting with those people. True friends are rare but incredibly valuable. More so than a sexual partner. Partners lose their novelty and become mundane. They will get bored of you and burn you. But a friend, that is not an issue. Novelty is not key to a friendship.

All I need from a relationship is: food, fun, sex, support. I can handle not having support. 3 out of the 4 is fine. 4 out of the 4 is absolutely desired but is incredibly rare. Somewhere they are either picky eaters, boring individuals, low libido/no libido, or just self centered as fuck. I can handle not having one of those and still enjoying my time with them. I will never marry and I don't date to find a person to marry. I date to find someone I can tolerate and fuck. I have desires that need to be filled. Desires that my friends can not quell. But I will never burn my friends for a lay. They will have my back when my partner will not.

[–]iandmlne 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone is going to be "chosen over every other person on the planet".

There are plenty of people who for whatever reason, will always be alone.

[–]yayimadeit 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything you outlined I also get from my friends as well as my wife:

companionship and emotional support that a real partner can. You can't share your hobbies and passions with it, you can't get affection from it, and it'd be unhealthy to develop feelings about it.

I've been married a very long time, been faithful, and I have a good marriage. See my comment above about prisons though because it's relevant here too. Yeah the vast majority of men want all you stated but there are a LOT of them (and increasingly more) that see marriage and family as a huge financial risk and they are just not getting married. Look at the current stats...it's really scary. Now add in a sex bot that can satisfy the base male urges and you just lit a powderkeg for traditional relationships. And it's going to happen too.

[–]esantipapa 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A robot can't provide the companionship and emotional support that a real partner can.

YET.

[–]ProphetChuck 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it depends, I just started reading Asimov's I,Robot and the book begins with a Nursemaid, a nanny robot. Should androids/robots ever become an integral part of our life, I could see a reformation of classical relationship dynamics.

[–]thisjibberjabber 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It may not be considered healthy, but then people stay in a lot of unhealthy relationships.

[–]PeteyMax 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You would think this would be a feminists dream! No more need for evil, rapey men to involve real women at all in their sex play. No more chance of assault, harassment or whatever...

[–]Tmomp 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a person does privately in his or her home with his or her property that no one else is there for is nobody's business but his or her own. End of story.

If you, as a woman, feel demeaned by something done privately without you, that's on you. Fix your sense of self-worth. Invading someone else's privacy won't help you.

[–]sometimesynot 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She believes that they reinforce...the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

Lady, if your mind isn't interesting enough to make me want to leave a sex robot, then perhaps you should worry about yourself more.

[–]the4thaggie 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd also note that it would be a more compelling package if there was AI that communicated past the Turing level and had personality. Even if I had several thousand dollars to invest in a robot, it's no good to me if it's just sex.

I may be in the minority here, but an astute AI that functioned more as a partner than a mindless sex drone is more desirable. They've already got robots in Japan to provide customer service with a net of shared learning/experience subroutines. It's not as sci-fi as it was a decade or more ago.

[–]Ted8367 40 points41 points42 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

A campaign has been launched calling for a ban on the development of robots that can be used for sex.

Well, what a surprise!

Such a use of the technology is unnecessary

Because there are plenty of cost-effective, risk-free alternatives? I don't think so.

and undesirable,

Now we're getting closer. Undesirable to whom?

said campaign leader Dr Kathleen Richardson.

Undesirable to the competition!

A robot isn't going to run off with most of your stuff, nor land you in jail after false complaints. And if it isn't nice enough to you, you can just upgrade the firmware.

What reasons against the robots can we find that don't sound like restrictive practices? Dr Richardson hasn't had time to really think about it, and all she can come up with is the old objectification thing:

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

Nope. Rather, it will demonstrate just what parts of the traditional relationship are physical, and what are not. Dr Richardson should welcome that, if she really believes that the "traditional stereotype" of a woman is that she is just an object.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women

Do you know what reinforces traditional stereotypes of women even more than robots?

Flesh-and-blood women who behave like the traditional stereotypes. So let's ban 'em.

[–]danpilon 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure vibrators are about as close as you can realistically get to a sex robot these days (at least affordably). We should clearly ban those.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're totally unnecessary.

If a women wants sexual release she just needs to work on being attractive to find a man who'll do it for her. And of course she'll have to reciprocate.

These sex robots for women are dangerous and selfish and are creating misandry.

They must be banned!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Such a use of the technology is unnecessary

As long as touchless soap pumps exist, don't come anywhere near me with that "unnecessary technology" bullshit.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus. Did anyone ever see that TV show Humans? it was set in a near future in which androids were pretty much taken for granted. Some people, inevitably, used theirs for sexual purposes. They covered topics such as this. Any man who fucked a robot was portrayed as a scumbag, or in some cases, a rapist. Women...weren't. I'm not sure whether this was due to the showmaker's opinions, or how they think people would react to such technology. Without giving too much away, I bet that show will make some people here angry. It certainly annoyed me.

[–]Akesgeroth 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neo-puritans at it again, I see.

[–]just_zhis_guy 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"They turk er jerbs!"

[–]richardnorth 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol!

[–]MagicRocketAssault 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Fat, ugly, mean women jealous of robots."

[–]azazelcrowley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is dumb. Since those are precisely the women (Except mean) who would benefit from their existence. If men can get sex elsewhere they'll start viewing women based on their actual personalities and competence and such.

It's assholes who are threatened by it. We should point this out pretty loudly. These people only understand shame as a social mechanic. They are immune to arguments or appeals to fairness. They are brutes. We need to make it so that opposing sex bots is akin to outing yourself as a malicious cunt who is scared of having to compete with other peoples personalities.

[–]Endless_Summer 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She never gave an actual reason...

"I don't like this, ban it!"

Fuck feminism.

[–]HoundDogs 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because a good bit of feminism is there to promote a sexual/reproductive strategy that's advantageous to females....specifically the less attractive females that tend to gravitate toward feminism. Sex robots and dolls reduce the demand on women because men, in many cases, don't like dealing with all the challenges and dangers that come with women and they become less attractive than the doll. This hurts the female sexual strategy.

...and given that feminism seems to put stock in the idea that the state should have ultimate power over our lives, their very first reaction is to "Ban" things that hurt their sexual strategy.

This is one of those times you should be happy we have capitalism. It's also one of those times you should be happy that females think sex robots/dolls are a LEGITIMATE threat to their reproductive strategy. That's a good thing. Because if they see these things as a threat AND they are unable to ban them or shame men into not buying them, then they will be forced to ensure that their interactions with men are more valuable to the men than the dolls.

Just wait until virtual reality takes hold. I don't think sex dolls will have ANYTHING on that.

FTA

"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women,"

They're blaming inanimate objects instead of the monster they've created.

[–]192873982 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex robots will be successfull, when a the robot can do more than just sex.

Most men would be embarrassed to have a sexbot at home, but when there are robots that can cook and clean and others cannot tell that it also has the ability to have sex, then it will be hugely successfull.

[–]lambdian 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is of course censorious and illiberal but that's par for the course in modern feminism. I recommend people read the whole position paper on the site, its a fucking confused mess.

"I propose that extending relations of prostitution into machines is neither ethical, nor is it safe. If anything the development of sex robots will further reinforce relations of power that do not recognise both parties as human subjects. Only the buyer of sex is recognised as a subject, the seller of sex (and by virtue the sex-robot) is merely a thing to have sex with. As Baron-Cohen shows, empathy is an important human quality. The structure of prostitution encourages empathy to be effectively ‘turned-off’.

  • I mean, is she trying to say that we should ban sex robots because the 'evil men' can't recognise the 'humanity' in a machine?

Call me cynical but it seems like this was written to create a media circus and gain publicity, rather than put forward a reasoned, logical discussion.

[–]theskepticalidealist 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The structure of prostitution encourages empathy to be effectively ‘turned-off’.

The thing about prostitution and not seeing women as "human" is that contrary to these sex-negative feminists, most sex workers will tell you a large part of their job is talking, being a sort of therapist, etc. If you look at "reviews" for sex workers what men want is a woman that makes them feel desired, so a hot body that is just totally passionless and bored is seen as very bad, whereas even a below average looking woman that makes them feel like a sex god is very good. The vast majority of men that see sex workers want a human connection and even though they're paying they still want to feel desired. This is literally the opposite of how they describe it.

[–]FigNinja 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Years ago I watched an interview with an escort. She said one of the things that really surprised her was how many of the men wanted not only conversation and cuddling, but also really wanted to know what would please her sexually. She figured she was being hired to just do whatever the man wanted to his body, like some kind of robot basically. She didn't expect that a lot of her clients would actually care about pleasing her.

[–]theskepticalidealist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly right. I'd say the majority of men want that and the others that don't ask mainly don't because they feel it's awkward and a bit weird to ask someone they're paying and when they know they're probably seeing several people that day. That's why it's called the "girlfriend experience" because they want to feel like they're desired. If men really just wanted sex with an dehumanised "object", the "girlfriend" experience wouldn't be something that was popular. As usual sex in real life disproves the way they see male sexuality. They say men see women as nothing more than objects, real life disproves that. Not that they let reality get in the way.

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was only a matter of fucking time, I saw this coming years ago when I first saw these people, not surprised in the slightest.They haven't been able to stop porn so now they're going after any male oriented sex toys.

If any women need further proof that these people are supremacists seeking to establish a Matriarchy where they control what men think and feel this is it. Why the fuck would they want to control these things they have absolutely nothing to do with?

When women do it, it's empowering and sexy, when men do it, it's creepy and perverted.

[–]the4thaggie 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In a perfect world, maybe it's demeaning, but some guys just want companionship without the baggage of divorce, children, power struggle in the home, etc. Not that reversing the gender here and using a logical example matters to these people, but lets say their arguments are about as valid as one trying to ban dildos or even fucking machines.

Lets ban overly exaggerated dildos and fucking machines because it sets unrealistic expectation of men to women and thus instigating performance bias. No? Oh wait... we are talking about CIS men. Never mind. Fuck us and our needs, right? Clearly, we are the ones oppressing females here while they're getting their vaginas stuffed and pounded by silicone and metal.

At the end of the day, how someone chooses to receive artificial companionship (expanding past just sex into emotional support) is really none of anyone else's business. If I have to live in a world where I can be labeled a rapist post-consensual coitus, would it not be a fair compromise that I be given the opportunity to get my needs met without direct human interaction?

Or is that too much to ask?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Just another act that's doomed to fail in the feminist campaign of all-the-rights, none-of-the-responsibilities.

Instead of eating less, wearing deodorant, and getting on the treadmill, they try to change what men find attractive and ban sex alternatives like porn and these potential robots.

What does that say about the state of women when men ignore their strong, natural urge to fuck women but would rather quit chasing them, watch porn, and fuck robots?

Are you going to ban my hands next so I can't jerk off? Are you going to amputate every single newborn boy's hands?

[–]FastFourierTerraform 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you going to amputate every single newborn boy's hands?

The groundwork is already laid. All you need is a profit motive for the pediatricians and some bogus study saying that it eliminates the risk of carpal tunnel. The US clearly has no cultural qualms about mutilating infant boys...

[–]riskable 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What is a vibrator but a very primitive sex robot?

What these feminists actually want to ban is machines that look like beautiful women. Because competing against unaging beauty doesn't seem fair.

...and to those who think robots will never be able to replicate the emotional love and support of a real person you are mistaken. Robots become more advanced every day. It's only a matter of time before they overtake us in every job. That includes, "lover"

[–]doules1071 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

waifu bot here I come

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes and vibrators and dildos feel way better than a fleshlight.

[–]FigNinja 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...and to those who think robots will never be able to replicate the emotional love and support of a real person you are mistaken.

I don't know if I could get past the knowledge in my rational mind that the love and support wasn't real. When your partner chooses to be with you, chooses to be kind, loving, affectionate, and supportive, wants sex and physical affection, that's showing you that you are valued for who you are.

I'm sure a sex bot could be programmed that would get me off, but a large part of sexual satisfaction for me is knowing my partner wanted me and that I gave pleasure and satisfaction in return. Not to say a sex bot wouldn't be a fun toy and a great way for people who don't have satisfying sex with a partner to take care of their physical needs, it just seems a bit hollow as a relationship.

[–]riskable 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People are just biological machines that were "programmed" by evolution (genetics), their parents, and the environment they were raised in. Who's to say that we can't build a robot that's reasonably self-aware and also capable of love? It may even evolve love on its own depending on the algorithms!

[–]marcooni1 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So when the dolls would be landwhales, then it is partly ok?

[–]ifelsedowhile 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it's been years that I have in shelf a sci-fi novel centered around the coming of sexbots and the subsequent revolution in men/women relationships. it's time to release it and sell it to Hollywood. notice that they didn't touch this issue in Ex Machina (2015), they didn't say anything about the possible competition women would have to face from artificial robotic females

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

RELEASE PLEASE!

[–]Kellermann 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bitchy women will become obsolete overnight. Good for them I say

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When it comes to sex, these robots are competiton for real women, plain and simple.

[–]Demonspawn 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are competition for women who offer nothing more than sex.

The sad state of western women is that the vast majority of them offer little more than sex. They have bought into feminism and shed their feminine qualities as they ape being men such that the only thing they have to offer men (who desire feminine qualities in partners) is sex.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which the fact that so many women vociferously oppose porn, prostitution, male masturbatory aids, etc suggest that those women think all they have to offer is sex.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't these people get it already that things like video games and similarly porn and now sex robots cover human urges that would otherwise be dealt on fellow human beings? You can play a game and be as much of a genocidal maniac you want, over and over. At the end of the day, nothing happened in the real world. You can play something non-violent as well and still find an outlet for a similar urge - competitive activity. Same goes for sports. Same thing with sex robots. If you have those, why would you go out of your way to find women to mistreat? Every sex robot means potentially one less human working as a prostitute. And definitely one less woman in sexual slavery.

Not saying video games are as bad as porn or the other way around, just saying it's similar in the sense that it's a simulation of something that is a lot more dangerous and impactful when done in the real world. Taking away such outlets does more to demean women and men than allowing them to exist does.

Of course cue the morality brigade soon shaming men (and probably women too) for doing it with a sex robot. Remember just a few years ago how online dating and socialising was looked down on as something sad that only creepy recluses do? Now it's basically the norm. Do you feel weird now about meeting someone on Facebook or even Tinder, like when that was your first point of contact (whether just social or romantic)? Of course not, it's just a tool to use now. Or for that matter, owning actual sex toys. It's come a long way from being this perverted reclusive hobby to something that is more accepted as an extension of sexuality. Getting between people and their all-consensual sex life is demeaning.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ANYTHING that gives men a sexual outlet other than women pisses women off. Male sex toys are seen as perverted, while the female sex toy industry is massive and totally acceptable. Porn that men watch is seen as derogatory and misogynistic, while "porn for women" is seen as respectful and moral, and anything women are into that is kinky is an "exploration of their sexuality," while men into kinky things are seen as perverts and dangerous.

[–]donald347 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

want to really piss them off? Buy the robot a ring-- I bet she shits herself

[–]Five_Decades 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better yet, spend your money upgrading your robot instead of using your money to pay for dates/weddings/engagement rings. That will cause some social chaos.

[–]inspiringpornstar 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminist successfully ban any motorized sex object, millions of angry wives start a mob when they can't buy new dildos

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's my point.

Women + sex toy= empowered.

Man+ sex toy= scumbag, potential rapist

[–]McFeely_Smackup 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, will we be banning vibrators and other female sex toys that are little more than roboticized male genitalia?

Or will we continue this hypocrisy that female sexuality is a wonderful beautiful thing, while male sexuality is base, disgusting, and borderline violence?

It was a trick question.

[–]Demonicpoodle 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really have much to say other than who couldn't see this coming many years ago? It's just a very predictable backlash.

[–]Godofwar123 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they would put put more we wouldn't need them in the first place lol

[–]belil569 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they want that then why not ban all vibrators and dildos larger then the average male under the same idea. Pretty sure their would be an uproar of oppression and shit like that. Fucking hypocrites.

[–]richardnorth 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

This woman is a parasite. She has 10 years of academia, zero STEM degrees (all anthropology) what the hell makes her think she can be a' robot ethicist' ? Or of being in a position to ban anything? Her ten years of easy bullshit coursework? Of writing bullshit essays and bullshit journal articles? She can take her worthless credentials and shove them up her ass. 'Doctor' Richardson lol. Doctor indeed...

[–]jdub_06 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

are you kidding? she is so full of shit there is no way you could get those up her ass :D

[–]yummyluckycharms 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Please.

One doesnt need to know how to make a piece of technology in order to think about said technology's place in society. Your argument is the equivalent of saying people who dont know how to make a tv cant comment on the tv's role in society - which is rubbish.

Anthropology/Sociology is the umbrella of the science - gender relations is a subfield. Just because the subfield is rubbish - doesnt mean the greater whole is useless. If you disagree, let me know when you've scheduled your next phrenology appointment.....

[–]jubbergun 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Anthropology/sociology are 'soft'/social sciences. The field (allegedly) tries to employ the scientific method in order to arrive at conclusions but we're all pretty well aware that most of the time, especially when there's a "minor in gender studies" attached, it's just flinging shit at the wall and seeing what will stick.

That doesn't mean that ten years of effort working toward an advanced degree is anything to scoff at but looking at how that degree is employed is certainly worthy of criticism.

[–]yummyluckycharms 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anthropology has three disciplines - physical, archaeology, and social cultural.

The first two require huge amounts of statistic and scientific courses to pass, especially in regards to knowing what test to run to date the bones and how to interpret the data. Many people who take physical anthropology branch off into forensics, and many people who take the archaeological branch often find themselves going into statistics related field. Thats hardly fluff

In regards to social cultural, its important to split the field into pre 1970 and post 1970s. Pre 1970's we have people like Marvin Harris, Mead, Boas, and Strauss - basically people who have shaped our society pretty fundamentally. These are people who did ethnographic field research in papua new guinea, africa, etc - pretty much knew what they were talking about.

Post 1970, things start getting fluffy. Infiltration into academia from feminazis is what led to stuff like gender studies, racial bias courses, etc. It started to get really noticeable around mid to late 90s.

[–]dungone 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's sort of like the way I don't trust someone with absolutely no idea of how a microwave works to tell me that the "radiation" will give me cancer. That anthropologists can comment on things that are already widespread throughout society is one thing. But to have them make predictions about the future based on technology that they are not qualified to discuss is another. It would be like asking someone in 1860 what the impact of the motion picture will be shortly after you've finally convinced them that still photographs don't acidly capture your soul.

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think people who are not health specialists would be able to accurately state if a device will give them cancer or not, but if a microwave is in every persons home, I don't you need to be health specialist to be able to think about what impact it will have on people's eating habits, family dining patterns, types of food consumed, etc

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[–]yummyluckycharms -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I probably could've made that clearer - sorry

[–]THEBELL_TOLLSFORME -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG no STEM degree she must be an idiot with no idea about the social implications of technology. While she is an idiot, it's not solely because of her lack of a STEM degree.

[–]EeeeeeevilMan 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Robots that can accurately simulate sex with real woman are probably always going to be prohibitively expensive, IMHO.

However, computer simulation that can connect directly to your senses probably won't be.

Imagine some sort of virtual reality helmet where you can have sex with any woman of your choosing and actually feel it.

Shit is going to hit the fan when that technology comes around. Who's going to date a real woman when you can go home and fuck the latest supermodel?

Assuming it doesn't get outlawed.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well Japan is trying.

NSFW-ish - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8sB4QrIOBk

[–]muh-soggy-knee 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Surely a curtain could have been drawn... i applaud the efforts of the developers... but the visual reality is rather... unedifying is it not?

[–]Orsonius 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but 2D > 3D

[–]TheFacelessMany 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We have to get there first and robots are a good stepping stone. But even if they are prohibitively expensive, imagine how much one would save by not dating anymore! No more dinners, no more movies, no more contraceptives, no more marriages, no more divorces, no more alimony, no more child support... $10,000 up front sounds like a hell of a deal with all that in mind!

[–]Mandon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No more contraceptives... You live life dangerously...

[–]TheFacelessMany 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

What? I think you missed the point. No more need to purchase contraceptives (until they come out with the robot model that can actually get pregnant...but why would you do that?!)

Nevermind. LOL. Didn't watch the video b4 posting...

[–]jdub_06 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

bbc.com... what a surprise

[–]DagonPie 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just let me hump a damn chunk of metal with tits already.

[–]Mythandros 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find this both pathetic and sadly funny at the same time. Feminists are always trying to control men and mens lives, what they don't seem to get is the more they try to do this, the more they set themselves up to fail.

When someone tells me "No, you can't have that." that makes me want it all the more.

Besides, this robot is kind of creepy. I know it's just the first generation and with time, it will be developed to a more.. "realistic" level. Maybe then it will be a little bit less creepy, I don't know.

Besides, everyone knows that "Sex sells". People will always find creative ways to... get off. Both men and women. Trying to ban something like this is like trying to hold back a tsunami with your bare hands, you're GOING to fail no matter how hard you try.

[–]Davethe3rd 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

DON'T DATE ROBOTS!

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Robosexuality is an abomination!

[–]theskepticalidealist 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said.

But dildos that look and feel like real cocks are ok, apparently! Men being able to have sex without women being needed at all! OMG this will destroy society!!!!! /s :P

IMO "sex robots" will soon be overtaken by sex robots linked to VR. They don't need to look real, just feel and move real. They don;t need to get the eyes right, because it will be in virtual reality. The best thing about this will be if they can have it link to another person, this means you are having "real" virtual sex, in that it isn't you just jacking off to porn, but actually controlled by another human being.

Getting AI to think and move in a human-like way enough to be really convincing I think is VERY far off. Look at computer games, we can make graphics look almost 100% real now but as soon as you see the characters move or the AI do stuff suddenly you're ripped from the illusion. So we'll come up with realistic sex DOLLS far quicker than we will proper "sex androids". But if they have it link to the Internet and have real people control the dolls, now we're talkin. I guess they could master simple sex programs for AI, like "Blowjob AI" or something, which wouldn't be able to be very spontaneous, but would still be pretty awesome. I hope I live long enough for that day! VR can't be perfected fast enough :P

[–]alienz8899 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like they are slut shaming female robots now. They see an obvious threat.

[–]chafedinksmut 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can see the writing on the wall...and it fucking scares the hell out of them.

[–]Electroverted 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The audacity that they think they have a say over our private interests.

[–]FappingFury 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No need? Nuts to that it's a fucking pain in the ass trying to get with random women for casual sex. You want to know how easy it is to have casual sex with men? It's pretty damn easy bruv.

[–]lartrak 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Article claims a "campaign to ban", then only mentions one women suggesting robot researchers shouldn't develop this stuff. No calls for legal bans anywhere, no campaign websites, nothing. Seems like clickbait to me.

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[–]nick012000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't want my sex doll doing hard labor like chopping firewood or doing roofing. Human skin heals over time; silicone doesn't, so every scrape they take doing labor will wear away their skin over time.

Treat your robot-waifu right; just make her do the safe jobs inside the house like cooking and cleaning, while your heavy-duty metal-and-plastic labor robot takes care of the dirty stuff outside! ;)

[–]mattreyu 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It reminds me of Futurama, and the educational sex video about robot girlfriends and if you shun real women for robots, the world will end

[–]Davethe3rd 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See also Chobits.

[–]blueoak9 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Such a use of the technology is unnecessary and undesirable, said campaign leader Dr Kathleen Richardson."

Surely that's hardly for a woman to say, that they are unnecessary and undesirable.

[–]indi01 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YscbQ_T4Zus/VRiNdCkTLsI/AAAAAAAABRo/37ZGI63qTFc/s1600/value.png

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[–]nick012000 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. The Glorious Waifu Age is rapidly approaching.

[–]bashar_speaks 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine how dirty and smelly those robots would get after a week. The real future is in MMO VR orgies; Humans are social creatures.

[–]nick012000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine how dirty and smelly those robots would get after a week.

That's why you clean them, dude. Or, once they're sophisticated enough to take care of chores around the house, you get them to clean themselves.

[–]dalovindj 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Artificial wombs and sex robots are pretty much going to decimate their corner on the market.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll try to ban wanking, next.

[–]IvanDagomilov 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, yeah. NOW they're worried about relationships between men and women. Best laugh I've had today. On top of it, they're standing athwart technology and shouting STOP. Freaking Luddites.

[–]vwolf05 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Womyn be scared one day robotics will replace them...

[–]Lethn 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad thing is robots have more emotion and common sense than quite a few of them so no wonder lol.

[–]theskepticalidealist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is this isn't even an exaggeration for some women. She even thinks men being able to have sex without women is going to destroy society somehow lol. Can we call this male slut shaming yet?

[–]WeekendBossing 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the succubus market panics as more men realize all they have to offer is boobs.

[–]RunawayBear 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Voat

[–]Ka-Shem 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a gay leaning bi-sexual guy, I've already taken away women's ability to control my sexuality.

As time goes by I'm becoming less & less interested in women as a potential partner. Not because of a lack of sexual dire for them, but because I'm sick of the BS they bring to the table.

[–]User-31f64a4e 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If they outlaw this ... well, just make sure any general purpose robot you buy is user programmable. Then learn to code and you're in like Flynn.

[–]Daemonicus 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Programming profiles would flood torrent sites to make it easy for anyone to install a profile that could be selected with a few inputs.

I would assume that the first batch would be Japanese pornstars that would have their sound files, and personality traits programmed in. Then it would be American pornstars, and then branch out to the celebrities.

Then you would start getting chassis models that looked like Scarlet Johanson, but with a Hugh Jackman profile.

Then you would get into the good stuff, like Penelope Cruz chassis with a Lisa Simpson, or Stewie Griffon profile.

[–]Ovendice 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! AAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!! As if there isn't a HORRENDOUS problem with heterosexual relationships right now and has been for 20 years.

The relationship between men and women has never been at such an abysmal all time low, marriage is a joke, because all women in the U.S. fuck around and wreck whatever 'marriage' they have in zero time flat and our entire society is nothing more than a piece of shit system based on child support where men are nothing more than SLAVES paying women to raise their children without them, kicked out of their children's lives by their piece of shit, spiteful pile of pus mothers who have GOD-LIKE power over children and men.

False accusations of rape and violence epidemics, completely corrupt divorce court, VAWA that has men arrested for being the VICTIM of assault.

Men and women in the U.S. today have NOTHING in common at all now; women are completely unaccountable to anyone and above the law. FUCK women in the U.S. I can't WAIT until there are AI women. And then we'll simply clone and grow babies in labs. Cut women COMPLETELY out of the picture. I can't wait for the day I never have to talk to them ever again.

It would have been one thing if they had grudgingly went along with this sick, perverse, psychotic piece of shit society, but women have RELISHED in it all and do everyday and call it 'equality.' HAHAHAHA!!

[–]SovereignZuul 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghFtR64y0XQ

[–]baserace 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Full paper here (there's not much to it):

[–]morerokk 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course feminists are mad about these robots.

Women are naturally hardwired to consider sex a rare thing, and they ostracize those who make it less rare. Why do you think it's mostly women who slut-shame other women? And why do you think women shame other women who approach men? These robots trigger the same behavior. Now women can't use sex as a leverage anymore, and they...gasp might actually have to put effort into getting a relationship!

Also how are these robots "demeaning to women", when they're probably going to make both male and female models? Are the male robots somehow not demeaning to men? (They're not of course, but then why are they demeaning to women?)

[–]CeruleaAzura 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL I'm naturally hardwired to think of sex as a rare thing... Where have you pulled that from? If you have a source I'm genuinely interested, not trying to argue.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So I go to the article, and knowing how /r/MensRights post titles are often ragebait, I do Ctrl-F and start typing "femin..." but the search box goes red, meaning neither of "feminist" and "feminism" appear anywhere in the article.

What's this about, OP? Are you editorializing to manufacture outrage?

[–]redditorriot 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's her university profile page:

http://www.dmu.ac.uk/about-dmu/academic-staff/technology/kathleen-richardson/kathleen-richardson.aspx

She seems to be well versed in her area of practice, and not a mention of feminism. Sounds like a very interesting line of work, actually.

[–]Ovedya2011 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the fleshlight is okay, I suppose.

[–]Gollumbahkdom 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex Robot Sex Robot...cummin to your towwwwn.

[–]getir33 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welp better hit up the grapefruit stand.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a comic of this. Could some one find it for me?

[–]Krymzin13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a woman, we already have full on fuck-machines..... So... Yeah. Bring in AI based robots that'll seduce me! Preferably with interchangeable genitalia so I may try to program it to jump my husband's bones when I'm not home.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if they want to be my personal sex slave, so be it.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ahahahahahahah holy fucking shit. what a bitch. how will women withhold sex to control their husband/boyfriends now? oh god the humanity. what are we going to do?

[–]p3ngwin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and sex robots are different than human prostitutes how exactly ?

[–]shatter321 -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex bots are fucking nasty, though

[+]FrenchLama -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The actual reason why sex bots will not be mainstream :

  • It's creepy as fuck to have a corpse in your closet
  • It's expensive as fuck

Debate closed ?

[–]liquid_j 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I once knew a man named Dave,

who kept a dead whore in his cave.

It smelled quite a bit,

and was missing one tit,

but just think of the money he saved.

[–]FrenchLama 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the good il' disturbed poet.

[+]Afrobean -17 points-16 points-15 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Masturbation aids which can pass the Turing test could be VERY dangerous to normal emotional development, not only for young men but all young people. This could make it harder to have normal relationships with other people, even when sex doesn't have anything to do with it. Masturbation and sex toys is fine, but we've never lived in a world where machines could trick us into thinking they're sapient, at least not when it comes to the level of emotional intimacy that sex involves by its very nature. I'm in favor of personal liberty where ever possible, so I wouldn't call for a ban before this kind of product even really is available, but it's definitely a potential problem that should be investigated and discussed thoroughly from every possible angle before it becomes a reality. The idea of sex robots gets even scarier if we consider what could happen if artificial intelligence achieves actual sapience. We could end up with a culture that supports the rape of sapient sex slaves just because said slaves are non-human, and that's not cool. And don't forget: it wouldn't just be men enjoying these and possibly damaging their own emotional development, women would as well. Does that sound like a good thing to you? Ethics of human-robot relations can get VERY deep and sexuality is only a piece of the puzzle too.

And is it necessary to paint with such broad strokes with the clickbait title? Some feminists hold misguided views about men, but demonizing all of them for the mistakes of a few is EXACTLY the same mistake that misandrist "feminists" make. Is answering misandry with misogyny the best option? This unfair bias isn't even present in the source link, and what's with putting words in the mouths of the people the article is talking about? They're not even identified as feminists in the article! All I see is a quote from one of them making the claim that sex robots could reinforce harmful stereotypes, and that's unequivocally a very serious, very likely possibility... Again, for everyone of all genders. Do you like when harmful stereotypes are reinforced? Because these would reinforce negative stereotypes against men too! Can you imagine a world where women largely have given up dating men and men have largely given up dating women just because sex robots are easier for everyone to relate to than real human beings? That's what can happen when emotional growth is stunted, that's what can happen when harmful stereotypes are reinforced rather than challenged.

Am I the only one that watched this episode of Futurama to learn the dangers of electro-gonorrhea?

Dr Curran worries that society as a whole is ill-prepared for an age where sophisticated robotic companions are the norm.

This is a very apt analysis. We are not prepared for this, we don't know what will come from it, so we should be very careful.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Masturbation aids which can pass the Turing test could be VERY dangerous to normal emotional development, 

Compared to the divorce rape industry and male disposability? Doesn't even register on the scale.

[–]laffey_taffey 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that was well thought out and I agree with you but it was too late to help.

[–]Afrobean 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People around here are just too anti-feminist/anti-women here that if anyone says "feminist", then they automatically take the opposite stance, no matter what. If a feminist says "this is bad", they decide that it's definitely the best thing ever. I don't get it. Even when I point out how this could hurt men too, they stick to their guns.

[–]laffey_taffey -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea irrational is the best word I can think of to summarize people in this thread.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

What about a fleshlight? Is that healthy?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

One is more unhealthy than the other? Why is it unhealthy? Are porn videos more unhealthy than playboy? What is "unhealthy" about it?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Again, why?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There are tons of people who don't leave their house now and just beat off. What do you care if they stay home and fuck a robot instead of jerking off?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You think people who can go out and get laid are going to be buying sex robots? And what is HEALTHY sexuality? You still haven't explained that to me.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who are any of us to define what is healthy sexuality?

[+]laffey_taffey -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

ITT - People who don't understand that the average man doesn't actually want to have sex with a robot.

[–]Caoimhi 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't know in the way that the supporters of the technology state is purpose, I can think of loss of guys who would use it. Dead spouse, girlfriend breaks up with you? Giving guys an outlet for their physical needs while the get over emotional shit, could be huge for humanity as a whole. Just think if you could give a majority of men a path to being emotionally stable well adjusted people that aren't constantly chasing the next relationship just to provide for their physical needs. It could be a cool place to live.

[+]laffey_taffey -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

What I'm trying to tell you is that having sex with a robot to cope with a dead spouse or a girlfriend breaking up with you is not being well adjusted. That's the opposite of well adjusted. I agree with most things I see on this sub but this is way too over the top for me. Everyone here is legitimately circle jerking.

[–]GnomeChumpski 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, I don't want to have sex with a robot. But if someone else does, there is no reason whatsoever anyone else should prohibit that, which is the whole point of this post that you seemed to have missed.

[–]laffey_taffey -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said it should be prohibited. It's you who are misunderstanding the point of my original comment which was that these aren't going to be as mainstream as everyone here thinks they are and they certainly aren't going to help people become well adjusted. Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't miss it I was making an observation of the sentiments expressed in the comment section.

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