Wheaton has finally gone off the deep end

imbignate · 2014-05-28T13:12:34+00:00

Everyone keeps saying "We don't know if he was mentally ill". Was he not seeing multiple therapists? Perhaps he didn't have a diagnosis of "clinically insane" but at the least he was disturbed, right?

tenmileswide · 2014-05-28T15:41:24+00:00

/u/wil

Stop smearing movements you have not researched, or know nothing about, especially when you're not prepared to back up your statements. To say that Rodgers represented men's rights is the same as me insinuating that you, as a feminist, share the views of the bigots I'm listing below.

"Because this is what the Men's Right Movement does. It spreads misogyny."

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

"It spreads violence."

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

"And most of all it spreads a sense of entitlement towards women's bodies."

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

2014-05-28T13:57:06+00:00

So, just a bunch of strawman? What about the proof or valid argumentation?

Wheaton might not realize it, but he's just acting like a hateful bigot right now.

jmg83 · 2014-05-28T13:16:09+00:00

Shut up, Wesley!

duglock · 2014-05-28T18:08:27+00:00

He makes his living pandering to the lowest common denominator of "nerd culture" on the internet. He used to be a regular user on Fark which has an older user base and they called him on his shit and he had a hissy fit meltdown and hasn't been back since. He goes to sites with a teen base as they are a little bit more trusting and believing. He is just as annoying now as he was in Star Trek.

chavelah · 2014-05-28T13:46:05+00:00

This is a tricky issue for me. My husband described it thusly: "crazy people are like antennae. The shit they pick up on, with their skewed crazy senses, is really out there - it's just background noise to normal people."

Rodgers DID pick up on lots of of toxic cultural-fringe stuff, and one of the things he picked up on was the idea that women shouldn't be allowed to choose their mates (or their political leaders, or their careers, or what-have-you) because they choose poorly. That's an idea that gets floated from time to time around here and downvoted - but he wasn't here. He was sniffing around in places where voicing ideas like that results in approval and affirmation.

The tactic of linking the mainstream MRM with the "Return of Kings" guys and the redpillers is really, really working. If you don't know personally know better by dint of your own research or personal experience, the argument seems sound - they can even get little nasty tidbits off this subreddit, because we don't censor except by downvoting. I don't want to start censoring - but Jesus Christ, my life as an advocate for men's rights just got harder. How can we shut the misogynists up? I can't think of any possible way that isn't morally repugnant to me.

paranoiainc · 2014-05-28T17:21:01+00:00

Funniest thing I've seen all day, thank you!

DukeMaximum · 2014-05-28T14:45:12+00:00

This guy is desperately clutching at relevance, against all odds. He's like a sci-fi version of Kenny Powers.

Number357 · 2014-05-29T03:19:56+00:00

Even if he was a member of the MRM (which it doesn't seem like he was, he had a minor interest in one PUA site but certainly not MRA), isn't saying "The MRM is evil because a single member killed 6 people" sort of like saying "Islam is evil because a few members blew up the towers"?

DarkCircle · 2014-05-28T14:49:25+00:00

A good question is how could he be an MRA if he killed 4 men and 2 women and wanted to of kill all men on the planet... #killallmen... He must be a feminist!!!

ash8888 · 2014-05-28T18:18:09+00:00

I use to consider Wil Wheaton a smart man who was also an entertainer.

When all I want are simple things like, "same sentences for same crimes," and "discussion about workplace death inequality," and the like - then he accuses me of misogyny, and preaching about how all men are entitled to women's bodies? Where the hell did that come from?

tl;dr - It's ashame that Wil Wheaton is now grouped with Jenny McCarthy and Sarah Palin.

AlphaWookie · 2014-05-28T17:26:45+00:00

It's not like /u/wil has not said violent things himself.

"When I see someone doing this, I want to wrap that garden hose around their neck."--/u/wil in the last week.

DarkCircle · 2014-05-28T13:49:33+00:00

What I don't like it that people just get their views from other people. They don't investigate themselves or try to think about things from all angles. I am sure they would consider themselves skeptics and freethinkers.

Dude is an idiot. MRA is not anti woman. It is critical of the things some women do, and against laws that unfairly harm men.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2014-05-28T14:13:44+00:00

Intentionally or not he's simply confusing the MRM with PUAs and/or TRP.

regeya · 2014-05-28T14:30:30+00:00

You know, if there had been a shooter going on a rampage through a Kansas City neighborhood, and he posted a video saying it was a response to NASA reading his thoughts through his fillings, there wouldn't be petition to have NASA classified as a terrorist organization.

monsieurhire2 · 2014-05-28T23:59:38+00:00

I'm not surprised at all by his comments. When that whole thing with Julian Assange and the Scandanavian woman who he slept with blew up, one of the first things out of Wheaton associate Xeni Jardin was how we shouldn't slut-shame the accuser, when the facts of the case and Assange's stature strongly suggested that the whole thing was as set-up; instead she tried to hijack it as an acquaintance rape issue.

nybo · 2014-05-29T01:56:57+00:00

#killallmen

no, no you don't understand, it's not a movement against men.

AlphaWookie · 2014-05-28T17:02:13+00:00

You would think /u/wil having had dealt with depression would be more sympathetic to mental illness and note that MRA's have said that there is a problem with how the mental health community deals with mentally ill men and boys. The mental health professionals seems to have disparate impact on the outcomes for men and boys, compared to women and girls.

Prefer_Not_To_Say · 2014-05-28T15:59:08+00:00

You know, when Elliot Rodger's mental illness comes up, I've read responses from several people who say "you're blaming mentally ill people for this!? GTFO of here with that sh*t!" or something similar.

The point, which is being missed when you read responses like those, is that only by acknowledging that Rodger had a mental illness can the severity of it be understood. It's not holding Rodger up as some representative of those who suffer from mental illnesses but to not acknowledge it at all is just ignorant.

On the flipside, we have people like Wil Wheaton, quoting the Anne Theriault Huffington Post article about mental illness and ignoring the fact that Rodger's own father's attorney said Rodger was being treated by multiple therapists. Is this better than acknowledging Rodger had a mental illness? Is ignoring his illness somehow "progressive"? Of course not. It just makes the problem worse. What's more, it makes it more likely that something similar will happen again, since the attitude towards mental illness will be just as archaic and misunderstood as it is now.

stratusfear · 2014-05-28T17:57:58+00:00

Finally? /u/wil has been saying/supporting asinine shit like this for a while. It's no surprise to me that he'd jump on the bandwagon exploiting a massacre to forward an agenda.

warspite88 · 2014-05-29T01:49:18+00:00

wil is an idiot, white knight self serving dud. hopefully some day he will grow up out of his shell and learn more about all perspectives.

sampatri · 2014-05-29T02:34:40+00:00

"we dont know if he was mentally ill".

Sane people don't go on murderous rampages. Wil Wheaton is a fucking moron.

jlevy1126 · 2014-05-28T17:33:13+00:00

Funny I see feminism as against men, and MRA pro equality...

It may be confirmation bias but I was banned from r/feminism for making a pro equality statement...

Kromgar · 2014-05-28T14:44:37+00:00

I just looked up Whil Wheaton confused as to who he is... No wonder I hate the fucker he was Wesley on Star Trek I HATED Wesley on star trek

ignorethisone · 2014-05-28T13:52:11+00:00

What the Isla Vista shooter has in common with men's rights activists: He's a man.

What the Isla Vista shooter has in common with feminists: He obsessively self-victimizes, believes in a global conspiracy to deny him emotional satisfaction, and attributes rejection to every factor other than his own shortcomings. He demands that society change to suit his idea of what gender should mean, rather than changing his own behavior to acclimate properly to that society.

You decide.

WomenAreAlwaysRigh · 2014-05-28T16:41:09+00:00

typical withe knight

Funcuz · 2014-05-28T13:54:12+00:00

Seems he was every bit the kowtowin, lap dog, boot-licker he played on TNG. I guess I'm not very surprised.

remmbermytitans · 2014-05-28T18:28:39+00:00

I would be interested in the apologia used by /u/Wil to defend #killallmen, #yesallwomen and Femitheist the divine.

I mean Rodger's plan read like Femitheist's plan. He might have been inspired by her. The only difference is Femitheist is waiting on others to carry out her vision (although she seems to have backtracked on the murder bit) and Rodger was so mentally ill he thought he was god and had the powers of a god.

kungfukai · 2014-05-29T04:07:15+00:00

Wil Wheaton has been a poster boy for Male Feminists and Internet White Knights everywhere for a while now.

I followed him for a week on Tumblr, thinking he'll just post geek related stuff. Nope, most of it is feminist drivel.

TheThinMan34 · 2014-05-28T15:44:02+00:00

Man. I kinda liked him. Not so much now.

internet_hugs · 2014-05-28T22:37:02+00:00

Don't pay attention to him. It's nothing more than a cry for attention from an irrelevant child actor.

GeorgeOlduvai · 2014-05-28T15:02:14+00:00

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chocoboat · 2014-05-28T18:45:58+00:00

Ugh. I like Wil Wheaton and enjoy his work... but it's sad to see he's bought into this anti-MRA bullshit.

I don't think he actually opposes men's rights, he has just bought into the anti-male feminist viewpoint that MRAs are all male-supremacist pickup artists who treat women like shit, and he hasn't bothered to actually talk to one or find out the first little fact from the perspective of anyone who isn't rabidly anti-MRA.

He honestly has no idea at all what the Men's Rights Movement is. He's no different than some clueless redneck yelling about how our Kenyan president is ruining his life by imposing laws created by Muslim atheists.

I hope that one day he decides to learn some facts about what he's actually talking about, before spewing more misinformed hate.

kinyutaka · 2014-05-28T18:55:54+00:00

/u/wil

I love you. I love your work. But you are so wrong when you say that we are misogynists. We, as a group, don't hate women. We don't feel entitled to sleep with women. We don't think we are better than women.

We are fighting for true equality of the genders, pure and simple.

We think that two coworkers of the same skill should be paid the same amount for the same amount of work, regardless of gender or race or orientation or any other discriminatory aspect.

We see institutional oppression against men in the form of child custody cases, weighted so heavily that a drug-abusing mother is given priority over a clean father. In the form of stricter jail sentences for almost every crime. In the form of reproductive choice, where a woman has full rights to get an abortion (imposing her wish to not be pregnant over his wish to have a child), but the man has no rights to officially abandon the child.

Women can claim rape after consensual sex because he didn't call her the next day.

We don't want to send women to the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. We want to share in the duties, responsibilities, and benefits of life in this country.

And so, we have to stand up for ourselves when feminist groups hold assemblies telling women to fear that men will rape them. Or when the law states that only a man can rape a woman. Or when unreasonable standards of consent exist.

I guess I am rambling a bit.

To get to the point, I saw Elliot Rodgers last video, and he was obviously insane. The laugh, the glazed-eye smile, the narcissistic manner in which he refers to himself, followed by the egomaniacal promise to make mountains of skulls out of the bodies of the entire human race... the dude was nuts. If you were to blame Men's Rights for this guy, then we should blame Al Pacino for John Hinckley's assassination attempt.

jokersmild · 2014-05-29T03:02:36+00:00

Omg... I can't believe the nerd from Star Trek has an opinion that anybody cares about

rg57 · 2014-05-29T05:51:15+00:00

"finally"?

galt88 · 2014-05-28T15:09:45+00:00

Oh, Wil Wheaton. I remember when you were relevant and mattered.

2014-05-28T13:14:09+00:00

He's just saying it to distance the issue from being about men, but an outside source of influence he's not a part of. There's issues at work here that perhaps deeply involve men like him, but also women. Entitlement(which he didn't mention in relation to success) and envy. Sit down in your armchair psychologist's chair. You're a washed out actor surrounded by success. You've felt entitled to more than Star Trek. You see lesser(in your mind) actors all around you making it big. Maybe it all dies down. Then this shooting happens and you see that he was struggling with those feelings. You panic. My god, it's me. I'm that man. You start talking about other things that move it away from jealousy.

jessemfguire87 · 2014-05-28T18:11:23+00:00

Here is a link to a statement I made at /u/wil. Sorry if I came off harsh but I am sick of this BS.

shArkh · 2014-05-28T18:40:25+00:00

Shutup, Wesley.

jexton80 · 2014-05-28T18:41:05+00:00

SHUT UP WESLEY

2014-05-28T20:01:26+00:00

I am sorry guys...I think i missed "Dominating Women for fun, and profit 101." Where do i sign up?

iMADEthis2post · 2014-05-28T22:27:30+00:00

Wesley Crusher being an utter Wesley Crusher again.

Steampunk_Moustache · 2014-05-28T22:50:57+00:00

MRA is movement against women

Oh look, it's this bullshit again.

librtee_com · 2014-05-28T14:21:12+00:00

Doesn't it both people a bit to write flagrantly stupid things attached to their name?

SilencingNarrative · 2014-05-28T18:13:20+00:00

I suspect that Will is enjoying the positive attention he is getting from female feminists close to him who don't like the MRM. I feel bad that he can't get attention from the women around him without resorting to such hateful attacks on the innocent men and women of the MRM that he clearly doesn't know very well. There must be a healthy way for him to seek the positive attention he so obviously craves.

da1inchpunch · 2014-05-28T23:04:51+00:00

TIL Wil Wheaton is a pussy whipped twat burger who can't think for himself. I can just imagine his wife pissing poison into his ear about this shit.

dackkorto1 · 2014-05-28T16:08:54+00:00

I'm sorry, we dont know if he was mentally ill?? he had a manifesto and crazy videos, and then went and shot people. So many normal functioning people do that!

Nomenimion · 2014-05-28T18:26:40+00:00

Will Wheaten is a cunt who is repeating the lies that are being fed to him by the maggot-like feminists he panders to.

The MRM is no way teaches 'male entitlement to women's bodies,' nor are we in any way responsible for the actions of a deranged loser.

uberpower · 2014-05-28T20:45:40+00:00

Hated Wheaton during TNG because his character was terribly written and his acting was even worse.

Learned to not hate him over the years because he seemed to develop into a cool dude and I liked some of his writing.

Started hating him again when he tweeted Fuck the NRA.

Started really, really hating him with his posting of the bogus MRA "facts". Like, enough to talk about it with people who actually support equal rights.

Now this . . . this is something else. This calls for action.

kl0_ · 2014-05-28T13:52:56+00:00

As long as the radical/third-wave feminist movement continues, there will be more people like Valerie Solanas.

Sinistar_Lives · 2014-05-28T22:05:06+00:00

It's really a fucking shame that Wheaton has drawn a line in the sand against MRA. I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume its just to placate his new-age-progressive-nerd fanbase, but if you think about the kind of life he must have lead -- child star, upper class, has money, has nice wife and kids, it may be fair to imagine he has never once felt oppressed by society in anyway, so he can't fathom a world where (other) men face discrimination.

Apart his misguided adventures into social activism, I like Wheaton. I like watching his stupid show on Youtube. I liked reading his tweets until they started getting too tumblr-in-action-y. It upsets me that someone who clearly values and understands reason and logic could be so blinded by hatred and dogma. Conflating MRA and Elliot Rodgers isn't just misguided or underhanded, it's factually incorrect.

ThePigmanAgain · 2014-05-29T00:28:57+00:00

First, he's full of shit. Second, who the fuck is he again? Some game geek? Why is he even speaking out on a serious issue? This is one of the many things wrong with our culture, people who know nothing get taken seriously by many simply because they have some fame.

IvanDagomilov · 2014-05-28T14:35:27+00:00

Ok, one more hollywood POS On the 'Don't Bother' list.

Mohaan · 2014-05-28T15:40:54+00:00

Should dump this on his social media.

http://postimg.org/image/n4042l6kv/

TheRealMouseRat · 2014-05-28T15:45:43+00:00

So, what is the movement that is for men's rights called then? If it's not the men's rights movement? (I know names can be a bit confusing some times, but wat?)

Crackerjacksurgeon · 2014-05-28T16:44:56+00:00

Who gives a shit about what Wheaton thinks? He's a washed-up nobody now.

Nomenimion · 2014-05-28T18:32:11+00:00

By the way, guys... take notes. Do not forget those who are participating in blood libel.

Electroverted · 2014-05-29T05:07:45+00:00

He has a Tumblr?! Say no more!

questionnmark · 2014-05-28T14:45:49+00:00

Shut up Wesley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqsU-BY58w

2014-05-28T16:37:06+00:00

Dudes Wil Wheaton isn't even relevant, he will be forgotten soon enough he is a bloody lunatic.

MockingDead · 2014-05-28T13:53:42+00:00

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xantris · 2014-05-28T18:32:29+00:00

Anyone who saw a video of that kid could tell you he wasn't right in the head, and I'm talking about the videos from months ago.

petey1214 · 2014-05-28T21:54:22+00:00

Did he remove this from his Tumblr page? I don't see it there.

therealmasculistman · 2014-05-29T11:32:16+00:00

Fuck what that fucking hasbeen has to say. Wheaton has had negative things said about him so maybe he should keep his trap shut.

UtterNutterButter · 2014-05-29T13:31:33+00:00

I had to stop going on tumblr, just because of the sheer amount of stubborn feminists who were insistent that Rodger was an MRA. There was no use arguing with them, my claims were just drowned out by screams of misogyny and male privilege. It really is a toxic place.

warsie · 2014-05-29T14:51:08+00:00

Lol, Wheaton wasnt a MRA; he was an incel/wizard apprentice and former PUA

MockingDead · 2014-05-29T17:09:15+00:00

Cuckolded beta male who made "good" by marrying a post-wall woman with a son as mature as he is turns on all other males.

mgtow4ever · 2014-05-29T18:19:23+00:00

I never liked the Douche Bag on Star Trek I like him even less now.

The14thNoah · 2014-05-31T09:52:29+00:00

Wheaton is really weird. He will call out BS elsewhere, but when something like this happens, he is quick to jump on a train that really doesn't exist in the first place. First, no sane person would try to say the kid was just desperately lonely. He was an insane, narcissistic prick. Secondly, I don't know where people pull the "he was an MRA" crap out of, cause that is definitely not the case

Your_Bacon_Counselor · 2014-05-28T19:18:25+00:00

Will, get help. You are having another episode.

-A friend.

Gothiks · 2014-05-28T19:55:56+00:00

No, Wil's been off for a while.

jessemfguire87 · 2014-05-28T18:01:36+00:00

So /u/nicemod this isn't rage inducing screen shots but my post was? not trying to be a prick but this is like the Anonymous tweet I tried to post.

Grubnar · 2014-05-28T20:53:30+00:00

Well ... shit!

2014-05-29T04:15:30+00:00

We do know that he was mentally ill. The family lawyer said he was diagnosed with Asberger's as a kid and his manifesto reeks of the God complex found in oh so many narcissists.

Murbah · 2014-05-29T04:50:31+00:00

You think after /u/wil was outed for talking shit about /r/MensRights that he would be a little more careful with making broad generalisations about MRA's...Such a pathetic person.

Kongkiller · 2014-05-29T07:42:15+00:00

Now I really hope his new Syfy show is cancelled.

theskepticalidealist · 2014-05-29T08:09:35+00:00

It never ceases to amaze me how someone like him can be so wrong for such a long time and never know it.

johnmarkley · 2014-05-29T08:30:23+00:00

I used to really like Wheaton, but he seems more and more like just another asshole stomping down on men less fortunate than himself to build up his own status. The fact that he's made himself a sort of trusted figure for a lot of the kind of guys who are especially hurt by the gender system he's defending makes it especially inexcusable.

TheAlbinoEthiopian · 2014-05-28T17:42:27+00:00

The Next Generation has been over for over twenty years. I just kind of assumed pandering to twenty-something University students who aren't old enough to know him as anything but that guy who's on the Big Bang Theory sometimes was this dude's full time gig now.

borzughul · 2014-05-28T18:04:18+00:00

Wil Wheaton is no longer my favourite person from Star Trek. Men right's movement isn't about being against women, goddamit. It's about writing the wrongs that men face in society, such as... I don't know, the fact that, according to US law, a woman forcing a man to penetrate her isn't counted as rape. That the US justice system is biased against men in cases of child custody, that men can't be emotional, and that we "can't" get raped. Fucking bullshit. I'm a feminist, but I'm also a men's rights activist. I'm tired of shitty asshole feminists making the movement look like it's full of shit.

MrMagwitch · 2014-05-28T16:42:41+00:00

DejaBoo · 2014-05-28T16:53:28+00:00

“Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul. I know, because I turned down the first offer often enough and held out for the fifty cents.” ― Marilyn Monroe

TheOnlyKarsh · 2014-05-28T17:34:01+00:00

Can we turn him into a dodecahedron?

Karsh

Title	Wheaton has finally gone off the deep end
Author	Kuonji
Upvotes	444
Comments	314
Date	May 28, 2014 1:03 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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