Do men overhype muscles?

prodopro · 2020-02-08T13:29:24+00:00

I don't care if it's attractive to women or not. Ever since I was a kid I thought it looked so cool when people looked muscular and athletic.

RahLyt · 2020-02-08T13:38:16+00:00

I never understood this point. Going to the gym alone won't make you a body builder, when trp say to focus on the gym, they not trying to make you into hulk. They are saying is better to be fit than skinny fat.

says_harsh_things · 2020-02-08T13:51:37+00:00

Do a lot of men put too much emphasis on the difference between 'decent shape' and 'totally ripped'? Sure, probably.

That said, obesity is at ridiculous levels. Everyone (including men) are leading increasingly sedentary lives and are all quite soft. Out of 10 men that I know, probably 2 have an 'acceptable' physique. Hence 'lifting' is the correct advice as a first step almost always.

goatismycopilot · 2020-02-08T13:23:13+00:00

I think men focus on lifting and the gym as a hack because it is something they perceive that they can control and get results from. A lot of the fairness arguements here are about what can and cannot be built or controlled and how angry that makes them. That is why there is a PPD freakout about height because it is what it is. Almost all the women here will say they like lean of fit men which seems to provoke even more anger. A small percentage of women are attracted to the low body fat super sculpted guy who looks like he could compete. And that gut does if he is facially pleasing bang the niche women who are into that.

Gackt · 2020-02-08T14:19:02+00:00

I can squeeze his arm like a chew toy and he has NO abs to speak of. Fucked a chick with a gymrat fiancé just a few days ago.

thin with good looking face > shredded with average face.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2020-02-08T16:49:34+00:00

lifting benefits men in 1000 ways that are often only tangentially related to DIRECT sex appeal to women. confidence, T, looking better in clothes, physical presence, and when a mans face is ok and he takes his shirt off and has a great bod thats double plus bonus

the dispute is over some ugly jacked up nerd face incel being attractive because he has a gym crafted bod alone and also whether women are SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to PICTURES of supine muslce boys that are specifically crafted to appeal to the male gaze

this gets conflated here constantly. men post some outlandishly homoerotic image of a supine RECEPTIVE muscle boy underwear model then scream LIAR when women go "ew thats gay"

post the same man shirtless ACTIVELY chopping wood, preferably a gif. then youll see the correct response

GibsonYeat · 2020-02-08T13:55:30+00:00

The purely aesthetic benefits of putting on a lot of muscle are maybe a bit overstated. That’s not the main reason for getting big though. The key is the newfound confidence many guys are able to cultivate by getting big and strong. As we all know, that goes a very long way.

LiterallyDennisQuaid · 2020-02-08T13:50:29+00:00

This is an age old smokescreen/shit test. Just lift. Ignore all the debate on muscle and observe the way you are treated by women when you are shredded vs when you are doughy

blahPerson · 2020-02-08T14:21:00+00:00

The results showed that it was possible to almost perfectly predict how attractive a man's body is from three things: how physically strong he looks, how tall he is, and how lean he is. The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men. Furthermore, looking strong was much more important for man's attractiveness than being tall or lean.

https://phys.org/news/2017-12-upper-body-strength-key-factor.html

Johnnycage456 · 2020-02-08T14:36:36+00:00

Muscles are one of the things I find men frequently get wrong. They either think it has absolutely zero effect, or that it has an overwhelming effect. I think it's somewhere in the middle, and (IME) highly dependent on the woman.

Overall, it has a mild effect. But I can serve as an important role in building confidence. A few compliments here and there can really help make an otherwise insecure/confident guy carry himself better, and I think THAT has a much bigger effect than the muscles themselves.

Also IME, I think it can help particularly with more quiet, less masculine guys, in that it can give you that small edge of masculinity that you might be missing. It can help in getting some women to sexualize you a bit without having to be some loud, alpha type dude. Basically, it's a good way to compensate, to a point.

But the required effort is high, so it's not something I would ever pursue unless I genuinely enjoyed it on its own.

JaJammerJan · 2020-02-08T13:15:21+00:00

Face>Body. Every man knows that.

Now what is a man more likely to do. Double Jaw surgery with a hair transplant and fillers, or go to the gym?

SlashCo80 · 2020-02-08T14:24:06+00:00

Yes. I've seen many men, especially younger guys, get hugely hyped about hyper-muscular physiques (think bodybuilders) yet in my experience few women find that look attractive. It's more about being reasonably fit and pleasant to look at.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2020-02-08T14:47:49+00:00

No.....look reddit nerds need to come to terms with getting off their asses, putting down the video controller and doing some fucking exercise.

There is a reason all the girls to whom you wanked off in high school were dating and fucking the football, baseball, and basketball players.....women like fit, athletic men....not pasty, skinny or fat twigs.

First, you don't have tone\definition unless you have MUSCLES to show off the definition and your very question simply shows that you spent too much time on google this morning instead of outside or at the gym.....

2020-02-08T14:27:42+00:00

Any terper would tell you that lifting is one of the biggest keys to attracting women.

No. They say that you lift for yourself, to increase self esteem and things like that. You shouldn't do anything just for women.

reluctantly_red · 2020-02-08T14:27:46+00:00

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flamingoinghome · 2020-02-08T12:49:06+00:00

"Ab"solutely.

Most women care about face/general presence over body by great magnitudes. Men refuse to understand this; hence all these ridiculous questions about "which headless torso do you want to fuck."

Men looking to get hotter, so long as they aren't fat, should make their first stop a good mens' salon, and their second stop a department store with competent clerks. Gym is distant third.

Silverfox17421 · 2020-02-08T15:33:56+00:00

Women could literally care less if Chad is skinny. They'll fuck him anyway. Then they will bitch a bit and complain and ask him to lift. He will say I did but it didn't do anything. Women will pout. Then they will go back to fucking Chad 3-4 times or 4, 5, 6 hours a day.

Chad pretty much breaks all the rules. Women will absolutely fuck very goodlooking men whether they are skinny or not. Ask me about it. Been skinny my whole life and dated hundreds of females, but I've always been told I am very handsome.

Notsonewguy7 · 2020-02-08T13:21:55+00:00

Men are attracted to muscles. Women like fitness.

But because most men are heterosexual and grow up in a hetero normative culture the assume the men they find attractive in nonsexual way women find attractive sexually. Basically they assume their estimation are accurate.

Paranoidexboyfriend · 2020-02-08T14:40:10+00:00

There's an obesity epidemic out there. Women aren't attracted to fat men. I lift and workout a bunch because otherwise I'd be fat as shit. The alternative is to eat less and I don't have that kind of self control. And from the way women react to my muscles I find the assertion that women aren't attracted to them comical.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-02-08T14:55:18+00:00

Every person that has been fat and got fit can attest how the way there were treated changed.

AdolfGandi · 2020-02-08T13:11:26+00:00

Women like you to not be fat and be stronger than them. That's really it. As a matter of fact, this idea that huge muscles are natural for humans is complete nonsense. Early homo-sapiens were definitely lean and muscular, but they didn't do dedicated weight training. They looked way more like calisthenics athletes than bodybuilders

2020-02-08T16:11:54+00:00

men hyperfocus on muscles because its a simple "lift this heavy thing and see results." it takes a lot more effort to craft an alluring persona, great personal style, and a distinct sense of aesthetics because those things (which are more important than muscles in attracting women) arent a simple 1 2 step process

SerpentCypher · 2020-02-08T13:24:58+00:00

Yes and no. Men who think they need to be Arnold Shwarzenegger jacked to land a date obviously do because women aren't into the whole bodybuilder look for the most part.

However, if you take one look at r/ladyboners then you'll see a clear pattern emerging. Women like in shape, muscular dudes. You'll get the occasional skinny guy show up there, but for the most part it's guys with Henry Cavill, Chris Evans, Jason Momoa, Chris Hemsworth type bodies. As well as those with "lean muscle" bodies like Brad Pitt, Zac Efron etc.

You know what you don't see a lot of? Chubby guys and guys that don't hit the gym. Guys definitely overstate it's importance but women absolutely like a guy with some muscle definition and large biceps.

Thetrvler · 2020-02-08T13:32:55+00:00

This is the confusion many men make- muscles ALONE are not attractive, it’s the man working on himself and not paying women attention is what is attractive. It could’ve been the gym/working on his car/working on his education/etc. the COMBINATION of not caring about women while bettering yourself is what gets women’s attention.

Andress1 · 2020-02-08T14:20:11+00:00

I know that women want first and foremost a good face and not be fat and short. I am 6 ft 158 lb and my face is average at best. I think my hairstyle and clothing are decent, so the only thing I can improve is my physique, that means going to the gym.

So muscles = the biggest way to improve your attractiveness as you cannot change your face and your height, so I think its not overhyped.

bkrugby78 · 2020-02-08T14:29:18+00:00

What most women consider muscular and what guys consider muscular are two separate things. When women say "muscular men" they really mean a guy who "looks" like he goes to the gym, and is big, relatively speaking, but isn't a huge bodybuilder (that doesn't hurt either).

My friend Jack is an aspiring actor who mainly supplements his income by being a male stripper. He's not what I would consider BIG, but he is LEAN. He has a quite visible six pack and muscles that are well defined (he used to compete in bodybuilding). Couple that with his personality which is very social, especially with his "Yonkers" accent and dude is a pussy magnet.

That said I have another friend Nick, who is a firefighter. He works out, obviously, being a FF is an intense job. He's always been in good shape but has never had a "mind blowing" physique. Yet, he's always attracting women. Again, he's also pretty social and has a deep "Brooklyn" accent. The accent definitely helps.

roundabout44 · 2020-02-08T16:21:50+00:00

No, they don't.

Your anecdotal examples are just, anecdotal.

It's time to start looking at it from a different perspective. As you said, the muscles in your anecdotal examples were a good bonus. Period.

They're a bonus, they look well, no matter how hot or ugly you are, they're a bonus. Extra points. Nothing to discuss here.

Now, let me present some anecdotal examples myself. Lifting for 8 years now. Went from fatty > ripped > fit look (while still trying to get bigger and stronger, and trust me that's not easy).

Needless to talk about fatty, right. Ripped phase, trust me, girls appreciated it, appreciated it very much. The thing is, they will try to shittest you on and on, both females and males. Females solely because you make them feel insecure. They don't like that. 24/7 whenever they look at you, you're better. That's a tough pressure and many women will say they don't want a ripped man with shittests like "narcissist, can't even go out for dinner, not fun, can't lie on his belly, addicted, not fun and so on" when the actual truth is, ripped men make them feel insecure and replaceable.

However, they will go above and beyond as your plate. Don't let anyone fool you with smokescreen and lies. Being big and ripped is god mode and every negative comment you hear such as these above are meant to shittest you and bring you down.

However, maintaining that look is terribly taxing, mentally and physically. I'm done with it because you do not need to be in god mode to be successful. It was a nice experiment but it will prevent you do other things, as trivial as going out for dinner all the way to being tired, unfocused, not in your peak strength/clarity. Therefore, I don't recommend this.

The fit phase (focus on powerlifting, strength) - Maintaining a decent physique, looking big and strong, having fun workouts and so on. Less stress, less time consumed, no shittests and so on...

Of course, it's implied that you're natural and not using steroids. Being natural and lifting like a maniac for 5-10 years will NOT make you look "too big, monster, too much". It's virtually impossible. You cannot get "too big" by being natural unless you're a midget, and this is according to women's "too big" standards.

Summary, the gym is imperative, it enhances your body and your mind. Looking big and strong is NEVER a bad idea. The masculine look is NOT overhyped.

87AudreyHorne · 2020-02-08T16:45:24+00:00

100% yes

PMmeareasontolive · 2020-02-08T18:13:51+00:00

it's advice for average men who are unsuccessful dating. Don't twist it to mean top tier men (in terms of dating success) also need to be gym rats.

Does it work for the doughboy? Usually it helps although it might not fix personality (though even then it can make you more confident ).

Here's the thing: People are hella shallow. Way more than they realize, way more than you imagine. A good hair day, your pants being one size too big or small can make or break you, at least when you're a guy. Don't know if it works the same for women but I sorta imagine not.

If you're an average guy (or maybe a little below average?), you already know this. How you are put together, even the most trivial detail, will drastically effect how the world receives you and treats you, at least in terms of 1st impressions, which people put a lot of faith in.

Getting in shape isn't just for getting muscular; if you are average you will probably look better if your face is less pudgy from being overweight.

jcandres- · 2020-02-08T18:41:38+00:00

It’s not about the muscles, is about the confidence that you get from having them, and tbh there is nothing better than feeling good in your own skin. That’s the whole point of working out in my opinion.

Mrspaghettiman103 · 2020-02-08T19:40:44+00:00

I don't care if they like it or not, I like to be big and strong. Lifting heavy objects like nothing, and being able to throw around your own weigh like a broomstick is why I enjoy it.

Orange_Paisley · 2020-02-08T13:26:36+00:00

Yes. Most women don’t care about muscles that much as long as he is not Jabba the Hut. Actually those cadaver thin lanky guys are hotter than a lot of muscle men.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-02-08T14:06:36+00:00

YES! They seem to think masculinity is the end-all-be-all to female attraction.

Look at the gay porn genres in Anime
Bara - For Gays
Yaoi - For Women

Bara is filled with ripped dudes who fuck within seconds.

Yaoi is filled with pretty boys who fall in love.

Barneysparky · 2020-02-08T14:31:46+00:00

If men are only going to the gym to be attractive to women then they would be better served by devoting at least some of that time to a yoga class, and some more of that time to coed group sports.

I dont understand why guys who want to get laid spend so much of their free time in a environment that both lacks women and lumps them into the category of meat head.

GennyX · 2020-02-08T14:51:38+00:00

Men don’t hype it enough.

GreenSatyr · 2020-02-08T14:53:37+00:00

Of course. Everyone overhypes appearance and also everyone overhypes "interesting and simple" behavior (niceness, masculinity, whatever) and underhypes complex things which really matter like "social embeddedness" and "number of leisure hours".

But ... you should still lift. It will make your life better.

WhiteMos · 2020-02-08T15:08:53+00:00

It's just another tool in the tool box. Men who have decent physiques look like they take care of themselves which is an attractive quality.

rus9384 · 2020-02-08T15:19:48+00:00

Many do.

But I know whenever waist-to-chest ratio is brought up it's mostly about a skeleton and not chest muscles.

goldmedalflower · 2020-02-08T15:24:11+00:00

The problem with this question is that when women hear this they think only about a super heavyweight massive bodybuilder - of course, they don't like that, that's ridiculous, you silly men. Instead they "only" like a Chippendales stripper type body, LOL.

Xenti-99 · 2020-02-08T15:46:26+00:00

The reason why men overhype muscles so much is the fact that gaining mass is one of the things we can do and see the undeniable change without external comment. It's like a statistic that can be fairly easily upgraded and is a feature that is constant or growing. For instance. You can be a "nice" guy, but be in a bad mood, You can have good looks but have a bad hair day. With muscle is more of a get it - own it situation. It's like a lifetime boost of self-confidence. Not the core of it, but a fixed part of it

SilentLurker666 · 2020-02-08T16:00:51+00:00

Going to the Gym doesn't just scrupt the body but also the mind. You get out of the house, against your instinct to just slack off, and commit to a cause which works for the betterment of one's self. Only when one achieve their goals or gain the habit to the path of success, then you can apply your experience to replicate the process to the other parts of your life.

The best way to describe is is the cliche iceberg motivational posters... people only see the 10% of the iceberg... meaning the muscle mass, but they don't see getting up at 6 AM in the morning, and resisting all that junk food. The muscles doesn't build the character... but it's the path and the progress that did.

StrangerSkies · 2020-02-08T16:07:46+00:00

I’m just not into muscular men. I genuinely like a slight tummy on a man.

I’ve dated guys who were very in shape, and mostly found the mentality behind spending that kind of time and energy on their bodies as coming off a little vapid.

I’ve just started doing Krav Maga, and I’m surrounded by guys who are in fantastic shape at that gym. The only guy who caught my eye there was because he was reading a book before class.

AD93939393 · 2020-02-08T16:56:53+00:00

Being fit helps if you have a good personality, but if you don’t have any game you’re just gonna Johnny bravo that shit.

pample_meese · 2020-02-08T16:57:36+00:00

If you’re not getting chicks without muscles, you won’t get them with muscles.

If compare it to a girl thinking that if she went tanning that suddenly that would fix all her issues with men.

Kind of reminds you of those insecure Jersey-shore, gym-rat, clubbing types, eh? Annoying, insecure and trying way too hard.

MercyYouMercyMe · 2020-02-08T17:23:42+00:00

When you're surrounded by fatties and skinny soy boys, having wide shoulders a tapered waist and nice arms makes you king.

SocietalEngineering · 2020-02-08T17:35:05+00:00

I was 10X more successful with women when I was 135lbs as when I was 195lbs of muscle.

Men go to the gym to get girls because lifting a barbell is easier than actually approaching. And that’s a hard, hard pill to swallow.

hidden_boi_premium · 2020-02-08T17:50:55+00:00

Man that hamster is spinning hard

Don’t lift, stay skinny fat, less competition

wtknight · 2020-02-08T18:06:35+00:00

Top 10 important elements in attracting women:

1- Good personal hygiene

2- Face

3- Status

4- Not being fat

5- Haircut/Wardrobe

6- Confidence/Game

7- Sense of humor

8- Being able to have fun

9- Having skills and hobbies that women are interested in

10- Muscles

Mescalean · 2020-02-08T19:10:02+00:00

For what its worth. Had a fling with a little hipster chick. Type to date the “beta soyboi” stereotype.

Work out regularly and curl the 65’s on a good day. Her reaction trying to wrap both her hands around my arms was priceless.

Priceless.

Guys, stop making excuses and go to the gym. It really takes maybe an hour 3-5 times a week and you’ll look better than any couch potato. Dad bods are not the in thing when women keep cheating with the dude who looks like chris hemsworth.... stop lying to yourself and just get up and move.

jlp21617 · 2020-02-08T20:17:12+00:00

Ugh men-or women- with huge shredded muscles are hideous and look like some sort of unnatural beasts. Of course its hot if any person is FIT, but being "shredded"? Gross. Plus,many of those people have no personality besides "gymrat" which is a huge turnoff. Fitness, as with all things, is best in moderation and balanced with interesting hobbies,a sense of humor, maturity, kindness etc

CHAD_TDK · 2020-02-09T04:38:03+00:00

Body dysmorphic disorder is more prevalent in guys than it is among women, and Hollywood and female attitude don't help.

2020-02-09T05:39:55+00:00

Women like tall, good looking, genetically gifted men.

Building muscle is a way for genetically inferior men to improve their odds, but it’s not a cure all.

stag33 · 2020-02-09T09:16:44+00:00

Confidence > muscles. A lot of gym rats are naturally insecure which drives the mentality they have to look a certain way. Some teddy bears and dad bods just have the confidence that is associated with those bodies and it works the same.

Gackt · 2020-02-08T13:26:02+00:00

Lift because it's good to be healthy not for aesthetic gains. Crossfit style or even better, gymnastics or calisthenics is better than lifting. Run to meditate.

As you become a more complete person you will naturally attract more women. And men. Everyone will want to be around you.

Cicero_Johnson · 2020-02-08T16:51:06+00:00

" Any terper would tell you that lifting is one of the biggest keys to attracting women. "

When you have to start your argument with a Stereotype that is also a Strawman, why should anyone else listen to anything else you say?

Let's try a different route--shall we? You argument boils down this:

"Muscles matter some to some women, and not so much to others."

Yep! That statement is true. It is, also, mostly irrelevant. You can take ANY quality and sub it in there for muscles and it will work. Here, try subbing in these:

Money
Maturity
Dreamy eyes
Sexual aggressiveness
Sexual docility
Sense-a-humah!
Intellect

Should I go on?

One thing I, for the life of me, do not agree with is this fixation that some people (and I am going to focus on men because that is my own sex) have with what the OTHER sex finds attractive. You will ALWAYS find some members of the opposite sex who favor qualities you do not have.

Boo-frickin'-hoo!

Your life--and even love life--is not over. Emphasize what you got that you like, and work towards finding a woman who values what you have.

Or not--your choice.

But I do know one thing, getting pissy over the fact that some women like "X" is as effective a method of finding dates as tattooing "INCELS FOR RAPE!" on your forehead.

BTW: Just to highlight HOW diverse this world and its people are, some women would actually find that tattoo sexy. So, stop whining about the fact some women find guys with muscles sexy. I mean, there are a lot of other qualities women find sexy, and if it is impossible for you to have or develop ANY others, a gym membership is like $19 a month.

Oh, and learn to smile. People like that. Yeah, we all get attracted to the sullen types who are always miserable every so often, but the ones who smile get WAY more positive attention.

further_along · 2020-02-08T16:28:38+00:00

Fucked a chick with a gymrat fiancé just a few days ago.

This tells me that your friend is great with women of low character. That isn't impressive in the slightest, no matter how "hot" she is. Low-hanging fruit is rarely the true prize on the tree.

To answer the question:

If you are sharp, humorous, experienced culturally, you have a better chance with a quality woman than someone who just lives in the gym. Women are a little more forgiving of looks because society creates that pressure for them, and they can relate to the struggle.

However, you need to have a good bit of everything. All of your persona needs to be developed. a strong body helps open the door, but your character, intellect, humor, insight, all count. Your ability to listen, remember, and deliver on your partner's needs matter even more.

To be even more specific, there are lessons in the gym you cannot get anywhere else. And the only thing that delivers a killer physique is drive, work ethic, and discipline. You can't buy it or steal it. You have to earn it, and the confidence you derive from such is a big factor in regards to the items mentioned above.

Source: former fatty, have always been an avid reader and seeker of experiences of growth

Iamthegirliam · 2020-02-08T13:06:26+00:00

I could never undersand, why do they care so much about muscels. Sure, a well built body is a big plus. But men who look like mountains of muscels are disgusting. Especially older ones.

In my gym, there are guys like that. They for sure are big and have spent a lot of time lifting, their arms and legs are huge. But nothing about them is attractive, especially when they shave their heads. They look like meatballs. I just can't stop myself from thinking how ridiciolous they look.

-OpportunityCost · 2020-02-08T15:56:07+00:00

Lifting is just the easiest way for a guy to raise his value. Anyone who tells you muscle automatically = girls is just wrong though. It is just one factor that makes a man more attractive. The thing I like most now that I have muscles is just the more respect I am given from both men and women.

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Hamzokxx · 2020-02-08T14:39:25+00:00

I understand that anecdotal stories aren't evidence, but most gym trainers have tons of sex, the gym doesn't just make your body look better, it teaches guys discipline, being more social (to some degree) and it regulates their hormones.

I have a conventionally attractive face, i am 6 feet but i weighed 59kg, never really had any luck with the girls, trained for a year, got in good shape, and suddenly sex was very easy to get, and a lot of the one night stands admitted that my body played a big role in their decision to sleep with me.

With that being said, some girls don't give a shit about your body, but most are probably hard-wired to do, i don't want my SO to be a fitness maniac, all i want is for her to eat healthy and not be fat, probably the same for girls, i don't think most girls have insane standards, they'll be turned on by the body of an average gym goer

TheSnowyPlover · 2020-02-08T15:13:43+00:00

TRP is all about facilitating personal change—change that requires massive amounts of discipline. Going to the gym is great for building that discipline, which is more of what the “just lift” is all about.

Also, being visibly fit doesn’t equate to confidence, charisma, or any other attractive male trait. A cringey beta male with some muscle might have an easier time getting a woman to give him the time of day, but ultimately she’ll see that he’s a loser underneath the physical attractiveness

OpdatUweKutSchimmele · 2020-02-08T16:08:37+00:00

"males"? No, not really; why do you think so few males are visible with it?

A select group of males that mostly posts in gendersphere subreddits and is high on gender identity and pick-up lines? Yeah probably.

Guys glorify being ripped and shredded

I'm pretty sure that is a minority—but the thing with drinking too much of the gender identity cool-aid is that it frequently causes one to act like a spokesman for one's entire $identity and speak on its behalf.

I feel identity works in reverse; when an individual says something like "I feel like a man." that is obviously a nonsensical claim—how could one know that? there is surely no way to know how males feel and if there even is a consistent way they feel. So what it is is the opposite "I feel like a man." is code for "I assume all males think and feel like I do.", which creates the same sensation; and that's typically how those that are a little too high on gender identity, and any identity act—they tend to feel like they can speak for their entire identity.

So they're loud, and it feels like they're more common because they phrase their opinions as universals, rather than personals.

Occma · 2020-02-08T17:00:11+00:00

"I don't understand mussels. I know one naturally handsome guy who gets girls and one guy with mussels who only get some girls, therefor mussels are unnecessarily over hyped"

I know naturally beautiful women, therefore makeup is overhyped;)

bluehorserunning · 2020-02-08T17:21:50+00:00

Muscles matter to other men, and the respect of other men makes a man self-confident, and self-confidence matters to most women.

Also, some women like big muscly dudes, others not so much- same as some men like butts and others like boobs, legs, whatever.

danny_welds · 2020-02-08T17:30:14+00:00

It’s not the muscles, it’s the golden ratio. Schwarzenegger is a perfect example of that.

SabineLavine · 2020-02-08T17:33:08+00:00

I like guys with a little extra weight. You could say that I'm a chubby chaser.

Bntt89 · 2020-02-08T17:51:27+00:00

It seems that anytime guys try to do something to try and be attractive to women some weird girl just wants to shut it down I dont get it? Can they not at least try, it may not be super attractive to you, but some women do so he is going for those women.

LotBuilder · 2020-02-08T17:51:52+00:00

Do a little experiment. Post a tinder profile of a male fitness model and then a dad bod. Swipe right on 300 women each. See what happens. The fit guy will get at least 5 to 1 matches.

If all other items are equal, a girl will prefer a guy with visible muscle definition. Of course there are guys out there that can slay without muscles but they would slay higher caliber women if they were fit.

createweirdstories · 2020-02-08T18:14:07+00:00

They are the less psychological of the binary genders so yes.

ifelsedowhile · 2020-02-08T18:25:08+00:00

I tend to agree with the OP. Women appreciate muscular tone but they are not into ultra-ripped guys, that's more of a gay thing.

unicorns- · 2020-02-08T18:33:16+00:00

I find muscular men more attractive than guys who aren't muscular. It's a preference, but it's not a requirement.

Yuri1kida · 2020-02-08T18:38:16+00:00

Could be? But then again not every woman wants a shredded guy, some prefer slim guys, etc. But do what you want, you want muscles? Go get them

dawnpriestess · 2020-02-08T18:57:20+00:00

It shows commitment, discipline, and hard work.

bipedalgoofball · 2020-02-08T19:08:33+00:00

I honestly think it’s the dogma of gym rats that women are unattractive a too. People typically want a partner who is healthy, strong, and well rounded. Not obsessed with their bicep circumference..

blondie-- · 2020-02-08T19:15:14+00:00

I'm dating someone who doesn't really work out, and I wouldn't change a thing about him. Much better than running hills with my ex for his birthday 😂

16hoursperday · 2020-02-08T19:46:44+00:00

I have ranged from being in extremely good shape to slightly out of shape and everything in between. I can say as a matter of absolute fact that being ripped (full sixpack, vascular arms, adonis belt) made women way more attracted to me in the sack and out. If I had sex once with a woman she would be 100% hooked and I wouldn't have to lift a finger to set up future encounters. For me personally, if I want to have maximum success with women then a good physique is 100% part of that equation. It's that final piece of the puzzle that seems to make me decently successful with women to literally being overwhelmed with options.

Artsy_Foxy · 2020-02-08T19:57:54+00:00

Woman here. Yes, we love muscles and muscly men look great, but if you neglect your hair / skin / clothes none of that will matter.

washington_breadstix · 2020-02-08T20:03:33+00:00

the biggest slayers I know never stepped foot in the gym (or did very little). Sure most of them have some natural tone but muscles? From focused lifting and training? Hell no. My buddy who fucks a new girl every other day it seems is fucking SOFT like a teddy bear. He has a nice physique I guess but he was born with that shit.

A lot of guys just naturally have physiques that make them look fairly strong even if they aren't really. They've got tall, wide frames with a sort of natural V-taper and will always look good as long as they're not carrying too much fat. Those guys will tell you that lifting doesn't matter. Less genetically gifted men will always have to hit the gym in order to chase what those men have naturally, and men in the latter category will tell you that lifting is everything.

BumblingBeta · 2020-02-08T20:52:29+00:00

Well if you can't improve attractiveness by working out, what can you really do at that point? You're saying that it's all genetic if you believe muscles make no difference. So people who were born with shit genetics must deal with it, remain as they are, and be sexless wage slaves to pay for the kids that women have with hot alphas. Is this what you're saying? It certainly sounds like it.

nocommentacct · 2020-02-08T21:06:57+00:00

Unless your shredded friend has an ugly ass face he's just talking too much and saying the wrong things. If you're ripped you don't have to say all the right things, just avoid the wrong ones. Tell him to try saying as little as possible and see how it turns out.

VetteVet83 · 2020-02-08T22:22:44+00:00

I’m 6 feet even, 205, 4-pack and decent build. I could probably lose 3% body fat to really look shredded. I spent the last 18 months eating better and lifting regularly after my divorce. I’ve always been powerfully built, But never this lean. I noticed a significant difference when I dropped about 6% body fat. Standing up straight and holding my head high has also made a huge difference on how women react to my presence.

My 17-year-old son is 5 foot seven and more powerfully built than I am. He still does pretty well with the high school girls. I have always told him that if he will never be tall, he should just be muscular.

My point is, even controlling for the height, there was a significant difference in the way women perceive me whenever I got back in shape. I enjoy lifting and I enjoy the gym atmosphere. Changing my diet has made the most significant difference. My goal is 210 and 10% body fat. I’m 36 years old. I think I would be solidly in the top 10% in my area at that.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2020-02-09T00:30:40+00:00

Most women don't like ripped, brolic men - women already perceive men as much stronger than her anyway, so "ripped" is overkill and unattractive, like a 13 inch dick.

Newbhero · 2020-02-09T04:45:27+00:00

I've always seen muscles as a means to stop violence in situations where someone weaker wouldn't be able to. I've never really seem them as a means to attracting the opposite gender personally.

Physiologist21 · 2020-02-09T04:49:36+00:00

Most men do not lift weights to get girls, they lift weights for a million other reasons and the girls are just a good tertiary benefit.

thedeadpill · 2020-02-09T06:05:43+00:00

But if I’m being honest with myself, the biggest slayers I know never stepped foot in the gym (or did very little). Sure most of them have some natural tone but muscles?

He must be really charismatic, then? Well, I have a newsflash for you:

Most of us are not charismatic.

majani · 2020-02-09T10:10:22+00:00

Women mostly care about low bodyfat% when it comes to men's bodys. This manifests in two ways: skinny twink and shredded gym brah. However, losing weight or roiding are the most dramatic things a man can do to change his looks, so that's why terps get hung up on it so much.

FreakXAurora · 2020-02-09T19:50:36+00:00

I personally don’t find muscles attractive, I’m a woman btw, to me their really intimidating. I do think men value them waaay too much.

MerdeOnTheDanceFloor · 2020-02-10T11:56:39+00:00

Abso-fkn-lutely.

When I see super muscly men I know they’re not doing it for me, they’re doing it for themselves. You do you, boo!

ToraChan23 · 2020-02-10T18:23:21+00:00

It's not about the muscles themselves as much as it is about the strength of being a man, the discipline, the directness and toughness of being a man. All things it would take to get muscles in the first place. Muscles are important, yes; but definitely overhyped.

I've seen plenty of "jacked" dudes who are straight up bitches. A lot of men can pick up heavy shit and eat protein for a year and get big. But if shit went down while you were out with your girl in public, would how much you can bench press help you?

If your roof was leaking and you needed to fix the driveway of your house, would the amount of pull ups you can do help you?

If your wife lost her job and you needed to figure out how to pay the rent next month, would your amount of body fat and ab visibility help you (unless you can make money as a model)?

Having muscles looks nice, but that isn't what being "strong" is, and that isn't what women ultimately want. Women want you to be able to handle things; that's why fat men can be happily married. If they can handle their shit like a man, their body is irrelevant. Muscles would just be a bonus.

slavicgypsygirl · 2020-02-11T08:10:32+00:00

Not to me; huge roid bodies are my favourite type, so much that I even inject people I date who use them

AccomplishedPumpkin3 · 2020-02-14T04:29:15+00:00

You're going off a small sample size. Humans tend to like sexual dimorphism in their partner. Men have a much easier time putting on muscle mass quickly and can get to lower BF% easier than women. Physical strength and size is a big factor in sexual dimorphism. By losing BF% and increasing muscle, they are increasing their sexual dimorphism in many ways. Yes, healthy/fit men are more attractive in the same way that a curvy hourglass women is more attractive than a fat woman or woman with a more square/rectangular shape. You might meet a few conventionally unattractive women that fuck/date hot men, but that doesn't mean that men aren't attracted to hourglass shapes.

Maybe the hot guy in your case doesn't put himself out there, doesn't ask out many women, women find him intimidating, he picks the wrong women, he has high standards, etc. Theres many reasons why he isn't having success.

Andress1 · 2020-02-08T13:26:33+00:00

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Ordinary-West · 2020-02-08T15:58:00+00:00

Build a strawman. Attack strawman. Appear the winner. 🤷

Title	Do men overhype muscles?
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Comments	383
Date	February 8, 2020 12:39 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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