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Here’s an article that talks about women preferring tall men (yes, yes you can all celebrate now) but this stuck out to me:

In my sample, I found that on average CEOs were just a shade under six feet. Given that the average American male is 5'9" that means that CEOs, as a group, have about three inches on the rest of their sex. But this statistic actually understates matters. In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over. Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that number is 58 percent. Even more strikingly, in the general American population, 3.9 percent of adult men are 6'2" or taller. Among my CEO sample, 30 percent were 6'2" or taller.

Of the tens of millions of American men below 5'6", a grand total of ten--in my sample--have reached the level of CEO, which says that being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African-American. Source - Blink by Malcolm Gladwell

Women aren’t putting men into CEO positions. Other men are. Just goes to show that other men view being tall as being the “ultimate man” too.

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LMFAOOO at the mental gymnastics.

So let’s see. According to this sub, all women desire:

•Tall Men

•Good-looking Men

•Young Men.

The average CEO isn’t young nor has a 6 pack. If women were the ones that “set the standard” like you claim shouldn’t we have more CEOS and billionaires that look like this or this hunk this.

CEOs are about making money. If there’s no stats that show women are less likely to support a company with a short CEO, than why do they care about making sure they put a tall CEO for their company? Are you hearing yourself right now🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

There’s also no stats to show that short men are more bullied at work so that causes them to not go for higher positions. That’s just a conspiracy you can respectfully take to r/conspiracytheories LMFAO

[–]Bandit1743 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The average CEO isn’t young nor has a 6 pack. If women were the ones that “set the standard” shouldn’t we have more CEOS and billionaires that look like this.

Well attractive people supposedly earn more too, but young people generally don't have the knowledge or experience to be CEOs. I'm also not saying what women consider is attractive is the sole criteria for being a ceo

My logic is more like this:

CEOs tend to require above average levels of confidence and drive
shorter guys tend to have lower levels of confidence in adulthood as a result of being viewed and treated as inferior when they were younger and continually in adulthood
shorter guys are viewed and treated as inferior because women collectively decided that they are inferior. If women didn't view shorter guys as inferior they wouldn't have lower levels of confidence.

CEOs are about making money. If there’s no stats that show women are less likely to support a company with a short CEO, than why do they care about making sure they put a tall CEO for their company? Are you hearing yourself right now🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Again, there's also no stats that say men are less likely to support a company with short men either or that people refuse to work for or support a company if the CEO is short.

There’s also no stats to show that short men are more bullied at work so that causes them to not go for higher positions. That’s just a conspiracy you can respectfully take to r/conspiracytheories LMFAO

I didn't say at work, I said during formative years so highschool and college.

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Not really. I said it's mens choice to bully in the first place, but what specific traits men use to insult eachother will often be influenced by what women find desirable. If women actually found shortness desirable then shortness wouldn't be as effective as an insult.

Women think being unhygienic is undesirable. Do men bully each other for being dirty?

Yeah, if a guy actually has poor enough hygiene for it to stand out he can be made of for it. I remember certain guys in school getting made fun of for smelling bad or having dirty shirts.

Women think bald men are undesirable. Do men bully each other for being bald?

yes, even in adulthood

Women think being broke is undesirable. Do men bully each other for being broke?

Not as much as the previous two but yeah if a guy is broke and it is his most notable flaw then it can be used against him as an insult.

[–]creekcrystall1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m starting to speculate you honestly just watch too many high school oriented movies where the “tall, attractive, jock” shoves the “short, scrawny Nerd” into lockers as seen here. Because this is all this sounds like. You don’t know if the bully is also bullying tall kids. You don’t know if the bully is picking on the short kid because he’s smarter, jealous, etc … like you don’t know any of these things. It’s just.. it’s all just a conspiracy.

As I said men don’t bully each other for being unhygienic like having a messy home or dirty fingernails. I see men hang out all the time and not even wash their hands after using the bathroom. I think I should be hearing, “Wash your hands. You know girls love that” I’m not.

The link you posted said “fans” are bullying him, not specifically men.

Men don’t bully each other to make more money and provide for their family either. The only time men hate broke men is if he keeps asking him for money.

[–]Bandit1741 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I do think physical assault and shoving into lockers is exaggerated and not as common nowadays. I am referring more to verbal bullying.

I think I should be hearing, “Wash your hands. You know girls love that” I’m not.

Because being short reduces desirability and success with women more than having dirty finger nails does. Also when it comes to insults theres tiers of most obvious to least obvious where you will be insulted based on your most obvious flaws before you will on the less obvious ones.

The link you posted said “fans” are bullying him, not specifically men.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlULjA_F76I

Men don’t bully each other to make more money and provide for their family either. The only time men hate broke men is if he keeps asking him for money.

Men don't bully eachother to get them to improve themselves, its down to put them down and yes men are made to feel inferior based on how much money they earn. It's just not going to be as common as appearance based insults.

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I would love to see statistics to show that, on average, shorter men have lower self-esteem due to years of bullying in their formative years that causes them to not pursue higher positions at work, which was your original claim.

Side note- The average male actor height is only 5’9/5’10 according to stats

I think it’s awfully weird that the vast majority of short men are “bullied” so much during their formative years for their height, resulting in low self esteem thus causing them to not pursue higher positions at work, which is your logic into why there’s more taller CEOs.

Yet, somehow the vast majority of men in Hollywood aren’t tall 6’0 either. Oh, before you start none of these guys aren’t all Brad Pitt look alikes, which is somehow how they made it. Lol.

Wonder what schools the vast majority of short men went to and were bullied so much that the short men in Hollywood missed out on.

If you acknowledged that there’s no stats that show - both men and women- are less likely to support a company with a short CEO than why are you telling me… “women set the standards so that’s why CEOS are usually tall.” Why would men in power care about random women and men height preferences when no stats show people are less likely to support a short CEO?

I mean, I’m just all going by what you said here, buddy 🤷‍♀️.

[–]Bandit1742 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are studies that indicate shorter men are less confident and more likely to commit suicide, for example this , but there isn't anything that directly ties that to there being less short CEOs. As fas as I am aware we just know that shorter guys are less likely to be CEOs but there is no consensus on the why, just speculation. So yes my opinion is speculation just as your claim that men refuse to support companies with shorter CEOs is.

Yet, somehow the vast majority of men in Hollywood aren’t tall 6’0 either. Oh, before you start none of these guys aren’t all Brad Pitt look alikes, which is somehow how they made it. Lol.

They aren't all good looking but Hollywood definitely does skew attractive.

“women set the standards so that’s why CEOS are usually tall.” Why would men in power care about random women and men height preferences when no stats show people are less likely to support a short CEO?

That's not really what I'm saying tho. I don't think men in power are specifically excluding tall men based on women's preferences.

I am saying:

CEOs typically need have above average levels of confidence and risk taking.
Having an undesirable trait typically reduces confidence
Women determine which traits are undesirable

I'm curious, do you actually disagree with 1 & 2 or just 3?

[–]creekcrystall2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hollywood skews attractive, but that includes height for men, too. My point there was you’re acting like due to a lot of short men being allegedly bullied for their height during their formative years, it causes them to not pursue higher positions at work, which is why there are more tall CEOs. However, tons of short men are confident enough to pursue Hollywood en masse, which is why the average male actor is short.

Agreed with 1.

Agreed with 2.

3 goes both ways and doesn’t have anything to do with 1 and 2. The same way you think women determine which traits are desirable in men, is the same way men determine which traits are desirable in women.

Now let’s use your logic you said earlier for a second.

If women are the ones who determine which traits are desirable and somehow got all the CEOs to be tall. Than men determine which traits are desirable in women CEOs, which will likely be her looks since that’s what men value the most in a woman.

Just one example of a female CEO

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Hollywood actors aren't exactly short, just average height and the increased confidence from having an attractive face can counteract the reduced confidence from not being tall. I think there could also be practical reasons the film industry might prefer average height people over really tall or really short people.

Agreed with 1. Agreed with 2.

awesome

Now let’s use your logic you said earlier for a second. If women are the ones who determine which traits are desirable and somehow got all the CEOs to be tall. Than men determine which traits are desirable in women CEOs, which will likely be her looks since that’s what men value the most in a woman.

Again, I'm not saying that women are directly saying CEOs need to be tall.

It's more indirect, so women say short is undesirable/inferior >

Short guys end up having lower self esteem (point 2) >

Short guys end up lacking the confidence to be successful at being a CEO (point 1)

So for your comparison to match it would be unnatractive women end up lacking the confidence to be successful at being CEOs not that we are specifically excluding non attractive women from being CEOs.

and tbf that could be true although you would have to prove that female CEOs skew more attractive than non ceos which I don't think has been studied as much

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The average height of an American Male is 5’9”. The average height of a Hollywood actor is 5’9”/5’10.” So if you don’t consider that short, than it looks like neither is the average man.

Now I have to ask. Do you think every average male is facially ugly? I have a lot of men in my neighborhood who look like this facially and I don’t consider them ugly. Plenty of women don’t either, which is why they’re not missing out on women lol.

Moving on. There’s several problems with your claim, the major one being you have no proof to back up what youre saying. This is your argument:

•Society (women) says short men are ugly

•Short men than develop low self esteem and depression which causes them to not want to purse higher CEO positions at work, which is why taller men are in these spots since they are treated better overall.

If you want to make this claim, you need to prove:

Do short men with a jobs perform worse due to their low self esteem?

The reason why I specifically want this is because if someone is performing well, that will raise their confidence and make them want to go for higher positions.

How many of short men admit that they were bullied due to their height? Just because short men face a lot of problems dating, doesn’t mean it affects the vast majority. If a guy was never picked on for his height, he has no reason to have low self esteem due to his height.

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The average height of an American Male is 5’9”. The average height of a Hollywood actor is 5’9”/5’10.” So if you don’t consider that short, than it looks like neither is the average man.

Now I have to ask. Do you think every average male is facially ugly? I have a lot of men in my neighborhood who look like this facially and I don’t consider them ugly. Plenty of women don’t either, which is why they’re not missing out on women lol.

Moving on. There’s several problems with your claim, the major one being you have no proof to back up what youre saying. This is your argument:

•Society (women) says short men are ugly

•Short men than develop low self esteem and depression which causes them to not want to purse higher CEO positions at work, which is why taller men are in these spots since they are treated better overall.

If you want to make this claim, you need to prove:

Do short men with a jobs perform worse due to their low self esteem?

The reason why I specifically want this is because if someone is performing well, that will raise their confidence and make them want to go for higher positions.

How many of short men admit that they were bullied due to their height? Just because short men face a lot of problems dating, doesn’t mean it affects the vast majority. If a guy was never picked on for his height, he has no reason to have low self esteem due to his height.

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I already aknowledged I can't definitively prove it. It's just speculation.

Although I thought you agreed with me that shorter guys will have lower levels of confidence and that above average levels of confidence will typically be prerequisites for being a CEO. I thought the only part you really disagreed with was the extent to which women are the cause of that lack of confidence.

Do short men with a jobs perform worse due to their low self esteem? The reason why I specifically want this is because if someone is performing well, that will raise their confidence and make them want to go for higher positions.

Im not sure, maybe, maybe not. However, I would say context matters in that a guy can be confident within the domain of his job competency but still lack social and overall confidence which is the type of confidence what will matter more for being a CEO. I'll give myself as an example, I am fairly confident in my abilities in the role that I perform at work and get positive feedback from my colleagues and superiors but I still have awful social confidence and overall self esteem.

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No. If I am being really honest.

Besides, tall women like that are practically non existent anyway in my potential dating circle so its not like I am hurting anyone.

The reason is not out of malice but out of convenience. Tall women have different sets of expectations than your "average" sized women. And I can't bother myself to work on those niche expectations since the amount of work required is greater than expected results.

Tall women are... women too. It sounds obvious, but the problem is they don't feel feminine when they tower over the dudes and they unconsciously exhibit behaviors that detests average sized men from wooing them somehow.

Also its a common opinion from far too many single women on dating platforms that they are obsessive about their height preferences. So most men just assume tall women aren't really interested in average or equal sized men anyway.

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You're a Christian?

Anyway that just explains what a patriarch is, which I already knew. It doesn't answer the question of why an interpersonal conflict between two women is the patriarch's business. That passage doesn't mean the husband has to get involved in every conflict between everyone in the house. Yes if he does get involved and he tells her to do something then she should just submit (biblically speaking), I just don't really understand why the husband would want to get involved to begin with. I don't remember the part in the Bible that says "Husbands, play referee between your wives and daughters." Female social dynamics weren't historically the domain of men to get involved with. The Bible is full of examples of female conflict that was handled by the women in question.

My parents are christians and my dad couldn't care less about what kind of cat fights my mom and I got into unless we were yelling over a football game or something.

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It's such heaps and layers of bullshit all around. In fact the article in question is actually sensationalized bullshit.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-the-bmj/

And now the incoming editor is playing this sensationalist game? Such bullshit. I wouldn't trust a damn thing from BMJ at this point.

Anyway best comment I've read about this debacle:

there is a limit to what independent fact checking can accomplish

Slightly on a tangent, but it is worth mentioning.

I used to be a regular part of both English and a regional language version of <very overhyped SV darling Q&A site which still survives and many wonder how and why>.

There were moderators on this site. And moderation was overseen by "Community Managers" who are humanities majors and MBAs. They not only let very wrong answers on scientific, mathematical, and technical matters stay on their platform until and unless reported by someone with good credentials, they also picked up "top writers" from people who wrote weirdly wrong things like Python being a database, or Quantum Mechanics determining the radii of solar systems.

It was embarassingly funny to watch. The arts major, MBA community managers did not know jack about programming or physics, yet, they are supposed to choose "top writers".

This also points the flaws in the thought that professional factcheckers should exist and they can be trusted with every topic.

They simply won't know enough. Ever.

A knowledgeable SWE won't work for a Q&A site's moderation or a renowned biologist for Facebook factchecking. They would rather work at a high-paying tech job and a tenure track professorship or big pharma, respectively.

An additional point is journals don't even compensate peer reviewers and it has led to massive problems with misaligned incentives in scientific publishing. You must be extremely jaded and skeptical of anything that's published, but journalists and others seem to worship peer review.

(FYI for those out of the loop the Q&A site they're mentioning is very obviously Quora)

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Idk. There is certainly a lot of variation in how long girls keep playing with Barbies. If you are into crafting, acting, movies or storytelling you are possibly gonna keep your Barbies for years longer than someone who isn't into any of those things. I was still making dolls clothes into my teens, well past the point of no longer using them for storytelling, just because it was quick, fun, and almost no cost...there is a certain satisfaction involved in duplicating something on a miniature scale especially in the days before things like 3d printing and affordable colour printing. Teensy tiny little stitches...making buttons out of cardboard and my sister's nail polish... finding a broken piece of someone's cheap costume jewelry in the street and realising part of it will make a perfect scale zipper pull.

Is there much variation in how and how long boys play with cars?

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⚠️⚠️Warning: Focus on realty. ⚠️⚠️

Condoms break.

If Roe V Wade goes out the window, contraceptives will be banned.

If the vast majority of women that get pregnant are poor, they can’t “just take flights out the country at a drop of a hat” if they can’t even afford it.

The overwhelmingly majority of women will be put in a position to have an abortion if they have sex. Hundreds of Millions of women have sex. Shocking, I know.

If a woman is raped, she can’t get an abortion. Doesn’t matter if its 1% or 1000%. Point is those women will be affected by those laws. What happens if rape increases and that 1% becomes 30%?

This is why we tell men to stay out of women’s issues because you guys oversimplify. EVERYTHING🤦‍♀️

Yes we know women are equal. Hurray 🥳 Doesn’t mean there still aren’t issues that affect us which is why the feminists movement is still alive. I mean why is there a r/MensRights movement despite men and women being equal? Because obviously there’s issues that affect y’all, whatever tf that might be.

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Becoming pregnant is really not a choice in a lot of cases. Contraceptives do fail, and a lot more than you probably think.

When a contraceptive is said to be 99% effective, that means that out of every 100 women using it correctly for a single year, only 1 of them will get pregnant during that year.

But that’s for one year of use. Your odds of not getting pregnant over, say, 20 years of sexual activity using a 99% effective contraceptive is only 0.99<sup>20~=0.81</sup> or 81%. In other words, over 20 years of having sex and using this highly effective contraceptive correctly, you have a nearly 1 in 5 chance of getting pregnant when it wasn’t your choice.

Meanwhile, condoms with perfect use are only 98% effective… which sounds high at first, but for a woman relying on condoms, that’s only a 67% rate of success at avoiding pregnancy for 20 years, or 81.7% over only 10 years. That’s nearly a 20% chance of getting knocked up in 10 years with perfect condom usage.

It’s choice whether to have sex, sure, but not a choice whether the pregnancy gets started or not, even with the best technology we have. Loads of women want to get pregnant and can’t even with IVF and fertility drugs, while many others wanted to avoid it and yet still got pregnant.

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So where are all the feminist campaigns to give women the right to work and vote? Oh right, there is none, because those issues were settled a while ago and virtually no one cares anymore.

How about I give you a more plausible explanation why people don't like feminists? Because they're whiny little shits--the exact opposite of the strong, independent women you seem to think they are. Let's look at the things feminists are actually whining about. You want better pay? How about working more hours and taking less time off like men do instead of bitching about a mythical wage gap? You want to succeed in different work environments? How about not being triggered by something as dumb as a sexual joke? You think men give a damn when someone makes a dick joke? Getting "pestered" by a guy for sex? How about leaving or kicking him out instead of crying "coercive rape"? People don't like you? How about taking responsibility and becoming more likable instead of complaining "muh sexism"?

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I always get a good laugh at the mouth-foaming, rage-infused, oversimplified-answers-to-complex problems, posts men have on here to women’s problems.

Alright, let’s break down your rant.

First oversimplification. “You want better pay just work hard like me, Mr.Big Strong Man, and stop taking all those 🤬 vacations, whiny shit.”

*Women work less hours due to having to take care of the household + kids, aka unpaid labor. Men aren’t working longer hours because they love it, they’re working longer hours because they have more time on their hands that allows them to do so. The wage gap is not “mythical” according to thousands of researchers. It exists and for the reason(s) so is due to several factors, one of which is women’s biology and companies seeing it as a liability thus reason to pay them less.

Second Oversimplification. “If you want to succeed in different work environments how about not getting mad at men for talking about how they want to suck your nipples and eat your pussy. It’s just a 🤬 joke”

*Well, one I can tell you that is definitely not the reason why plenty of women aren’t succeeding in different work environments, whatever that may mean.

I think if men should be allowed to make sexual jokes, than I think it’s only fair to poke some fun at my male co workers penis size, body-type, and height. I mean after-all, they’re just jokes. Hey why stop there? Might hookup with my coworker than come back to the office and tell everyone how small his penis is, jokingly ofcourse.

There’s something called basic respect and workplace etiquette, which a lot people, including you, seem to lack. Actually, since men have only been trained by society to just be providers and forgo social skills, I think I understand why those “dumb” sexual jokes to women shouldn’t be a “big deal.”

Toxic masculinity^

Third Oversimplification “just kick a guy out if he asks for sex instead of lying you were raped”

Yeah, chief… I’m going to need see stats of men asking for sex than being accused of rape LOL. Sounds like a fairytale but I’ll give you the opportunity to prove yourself.

Final Oversimplification “Stop using your gender as an excuse to be a bitch. We just don’t like you”

So every woman who “cries” sexism is really just a terrible, unlikeable person using the gender card? Interesting. Because you admitted earlier that men make sexual jokes at work to mainly women, which is sexist, so it seems to me that these women complaining have a real reason to do so.

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*Women work less hours due to having to take care of the household + kids, aka unpaid labor. Men aren’t working longer hours because they love it, they’re working longer hours because they have more time on their hands that allows them to do so. The wage gap is not “mythical” according to thousands of researchers. It exists and for the reason(s) so is due to several factors, one of which is women’s biology and companies seeing it as a liability thus reason to pay them less.

Wow that was quick. What a 180 from "strong, independent woman who can compete with men" to "waaahh cHoReS!". Show me one study that confirms the highly parroted 0.70c to 1$ myth. Why the hell do you and other shrieking feminists like this think your *employer" should have to pay you more because you can't agree how to divide chores with your husband at home? You seriously think a guy can go his boss and say "My roommate won't agree to clean the apartment, give me a raise!".You are free to have less children or no children. You are free to marry a guy with a part-time job or even a SADH. Oh, he wouldn't be attractive? Well, that's too bad.

I think if men should be allowed to make sexual jokes, than I think it’s only fair to poke some fun at my male co workers penis size, body-type, and height. I mean after-all, they’re just jokes. Hey why stop there? Might hookup with my coworker than come back to the office and tell everyone how small his penis is, jokingly ofcourse. There’s something called basic respect and workplace etiquette, which a lot people, including you, seem to lack. Actually, since men have only been trained by society to just be providers and forgo social skills, I think I understand why those “dumb” sexual jokes to women shouldn’t be a “big deal.”

That's the classic problem with feminists. You think the world revolves around you. Here's the reality. No one gives two shits about you. People don't make sexual jokes to insult you, they make them because they think they're funny. Which coworker was this guy insulting when he got fired for making a joke about dongles? Who was Elon Musk insulting when he made a dumb tweet about TITS University? Who was this guy insulting when he got reported to HR for a joke about peanut butter cups? You act like men don't make sexual jokes around each other. I guarantee you the jokes are more raunchy when women aren't present, and that includes plenty of dick jokes. So where are the men getting other men fired for making these jokes?

Yeah, chief… I’m going to need see stats of men asking for sex than being accused of rape LOL. Sounds like a fairytale but I’ll give you the opportunity to prove yourself.

Aziz Ansari got accused of sexual assault for being "persistent" after a girl gave him two blowjobs and then wandered around his apartment naked. Here's another feminist on this sub arguing with me that "coercion" including "wearing someone down" is a form of sexual violence against women Plenty of other feminist nutjobs on this sub have made the same argument.

So every woman who “cries” sexism is really just a terrible, unlikeable person using the gender card? Interesting. Because you admitted earlier that men make sexual jokes at work to mainly women, which is sexist, so it seems to me that these women complaining have a real reason to do so.

I mean women who say "People don't like me because I'm a confident woman who speaks my mind!". No, they don't like you because you're a b*ch.

But really, thanks for proving everything I said in a few paragraphs of incessant whining. People don't hate feminists because they can compete with men. They hate feminists because despite be given all the rights and opprotunities to compete with men, they can't do so and need to make up excuses for their shortcomings.

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More over-simplification. Fun!

Women are still attaining careers and taking care of the chores. You asked why women work less hours, that’s your reason. Now, the (1) oversimplification(s) are: You need to agree to divide chores with your husband.

It’s ironic you said women are crying about chores, when the reality is the “waaaahhh cHoRes” spouse is actually the husband.

Only 22% of men reported doing chores! Wow outside of bringing his share of the bills, being a good fuck here-and-there, the man can’t even do his own laundry.

So until the husband’s figure out what went wrong where that picking up a broom is taboo, women will have to work in addition to pick up the slack at home.

Oh, but she can just not have kids to not take care of a household, right? Ah, the sheer ignorance that beholds some of y’all is truly amazing. More women deciding to forgo a family for their kids, means less births, means an economic distress will happen.

In fact, falling fertility rates could have far‐reaching negative economic consequences, as countries face aging and the working population shrinks. With fewer people to innovate, the pace of progress could slow down

Finally, SAHD. Great idea, except most men won’t even accept it due to feeling emasculated.. Interesting isn’t it.

I don’t know what you’re asking about the pay gap. You call it a myth but than go on to show it’s not by pointing out the reasons it… exists.

Anyways short answer, it’s a mixed methods approach to fixing the issue.

Next. Sexual Jokes.

This is an excellent example of what I’m talking about. Too many men lack (1) self-awareness and (2) a basic understanding of the opposite genders social norms.

•Men make dick jokes. That’s the norm.

•Women don’t make pussy jokes. That’s the norm.

If a woman’s gone her entire life without hearing jokes about her sexuality, than whyyyy on earth do you think she would be fine with something that makes her uncomfortable because your ass thinks it’s “funny.” The world doesn’t revolve around you and what you think is funny. I think a lot of things are funny about a lot of races, cultures, genders, etc but I have enough common sense and basic decency to not say it.

Also, yes men make jokes around each other because that’s male culture but they will also report it to HR if it becomes offensive and have you fired.

Next. Sexual Assault I will give you this. Aziz accuser is a ding-bat, even if that’s that was an isolated incident. This is “regret” sexual assault, not sexual assault.

Next. Sexism Card. Those women do sound like bitches if they’re saying all of that. “Loud and Proud” types -male or female- will always get their asses handed to them if we cross paths.

BUT this doesn’t mean that sexism doesn’t affect the women that are the complete opposite of those women and they’re not just trying to play the “sexism card.”

Finally, people are allowed to hate feminists for whatever reason.

They’re a pointless movement, they’re too whiny, they’re a bunch of entitled whores, women shouldn’t have rights in the first place, etc etc etc

Every movement faces critics. This ain’t new. My focal point, really is, people only choose to listen to a small minority or wild femies than use that reason to trash to the whole movement.

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Ok, that makes a lot of sense. My boyfriend in college was almost exactly like you (he looked to replicate his “perfect” high school relationship with his perfect GF for a good decade after high school). I’ll spare the details, though, as it’s a long story. But there may be parallels. He was hung up on virginity as well, in his case because she had been one and he never got to sleep with her, as he cheated on her, so she dumped him. He is now 45. Things have not gone well for him romantically since college.

You aren’t destined to be unhappy. There is more than one path to being happy, though. More than one type of person might accomplish it. I don’t think idolizing your ex as perfect will help because it already sets up a fight for future GFs against a nearly invincible opponent.

I think if you feel a virgin will give depth of meaning to your relationship, go for it. But if it’s just about replicating one specific person from your past that’s going to be really, really hard.

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Because it's ageist, slut-shamey, full of bitter men and promotes deadbeatism amongst men. They make fun of carols and their single mom status- ykw, I agree. I’m the biggest proponent of staying virgin till marriage and not hoeing around, but the way men on there act like a child isn’t the father's responsibility too is repulsive to me. She might have made bad decisions, but at least she stepped up for her child; where the fuck is the man? It takes two to make a child, last time I checked.

And where do I start with ageism? They make fun of profiles of older women simply being on dating apps with no context. The apathy directed to older women from unsuccessful men gets under my skin. Fuck them. I don’t feel bad for these losers at all. They’re not deserving of my sympathy. I saw a thread thereof dudes complaining about being single; well, guess what, this is karma.

As somebody who’s been at the receiving end of harassment from a “nice guy”, I don’t feel bad for them too. You have to have a really limited worldview to think that “nice guys” are just those who have poor social skills. And in any case, women don’t deserve to be harassed by some dude just because you can’t pick up on social cues. That’s your problem, not ours.

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Whatever our opinion is, the wheel keeps turning. Old, fat, single-mom, slutty women are low value where short, balding, quiet, shy men are low value as well.

r/niceguys isn’t calling men low value or old value lmao. That’s an FDS thing. That sub literally just points out those men who feel entitled to physical favours just because they were nice to women. Those dudes go on racist, violent tirades when they get rejected. Is it so blasphemous to call them out?

Both sides will be treated worse by opposite gender unfairly but those women have options they can stop chasing the highest value guys and turn to guys who care about them. Men are not like women, some guys can overlook past decisions made by women and still put their hearts but since most of the traits make a man undesirable are genetic or personality like introversy that's not the case for men.

I can say the same thing to you. Maybe if the beta buxxes stopped thinking with their dicks and chasing hot stacys who only want their money, they wouldn’t end up in a dead bedroom? I’m sure there were many plain Janes they ignored along the way. This is a circular argument. And as harsh as it sounds, some people deserve the cards they’ve been dealt with.

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nah, it's an amazing sub that gives a dose of reality to women with shitty standards. I don't give a shit if the child is the father's responsibility as well. A woman who's a single mother is low value; she's not marriage material. Even an incel with no prospects can do better than them.

You’re entitled to your opinions about single moms, and I find that behaviour largely distasteful, too, but let’s not act like the biological dad is some paragon of justice. He’s as bad as the mom for hoeing around and shirking off the responsibility for his child. Not even a real man in my eyes.

same with older women who spent their 20's sleeping around instead of settling down—low value.

I don’t disagree but the world doesn’t revolve around your opinions.

And there's literally nothing wrong with slut shaming.

Sure, but why is it always directed to women? Shouldn’t men be slutshamed too for hoeing around? That’s peak double standards

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but let’s not act like the biological dad is some paragon of justice.

not defending deadbeat dads, they are garbage. But for any single male with options and who's worked hard for a job, a woman who's a single mother is bottom of the barrel. It's like expecting a woman with a PhD and a career and a car to just date a drug dealer with tattoos because "hurr he made bad decisions, other people are just as bad".

Sure, but why is it always directed to women? Shouldn’t men be slutshamed too for hoeing around? That’s peak double standards

Lol okay let women start slutshaming men. Let them stop chasing attractive men who've had multiple partners and instead chase male virgins who've never had a girlfriend by 25. I would be the first person to be happy if women started doing that. But they won't, because they don't want to. I'm all on board for women slut shaming promiscuous men but they are the ones who don't want. They'd rather shame men who are socially awkward losers and who have never had a gf, like "nice guys" and "incels" than say a single word against the chads who pump and dump them.

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not defending deadbeat dads, they are garbage. But for any single male with options and who's worked hard for a job, a woman who's a single mother is bottom of the barrel. It's like expecting a woman with a PhD and a career and a car to just date a drug dealer with tattoos because "hurr he made bad decisions, other people are just as bad".

I don’t disagree at all and I don’t blame men for not wanting to date them but directing so much vitriol and anger towards women you anyway don’t deem worthy of dating is just loser behaviour. You won’t date them anyway, why do you care? Why do you care if they throw their lives away? I don’t go in incel spaces to make fun of them or direct some misplaced anger towards them? It’s just sadistic and weird. Those moms are literally not bothering your existence at all for you to be this mad.

Lol okay let women start slutshaming men. Let them stop chasing attractive men who've had multiple partners and instead chase male virgins who've never had a girlfriend by 25. I would be the first person to be happy if women started doing that. But they won't, because they don't want to. I'm all on board for women slut shaming promiscuous men but they are the ones who don't want. They'd rather shame men who are socially awkward losers and who have never had a gf, like "nice guys" and "incels" than say a single word against the chads who pump and dump them.

Unrelated to our argument. Women aren’t a monolith either. I’m a virgin and I’d prefer a virgin man but I’ve yet to meet a man who was a SANE virgin and wasn’t living with FOMO for not getting to sleep around. The other option is obviously the promiscuous dudes. I don’t believe in shaming anyone for anything but there’s a legit reason these days why even virgin women aren’t going for these virgin dudes because I don’t want the baggage that comes with it.

Anyway, like I said, unrelated to the argument. r/niceguys is not FDS. They’re not demarcating men into high value or low value. They point out those weirdos who feel entitled to pussy because they acted like a decent human once. Nothing about incels or chads there. Nice guys are present across the spectrum.

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I don’t disagree at all and I don’t blame men for not wanting to date them but directing so much vitriol and anger towards women you anyway don’t deem worthy of dating is just loser behaviour. You won’t date them anyway, why do you care? Why do you care if they throw their lives away? I don’t go in incel spaces to make fun of them or direct some misplaced anger towards them? It’s just sadistic and weird. Those moms are literally not bothering your existence at all for you to be this mad.

Once again, its about a dose of reality and about laughing at women with unrealistic ridiculous standards. Its also mocking the modern dating scene where women who are trash feel entitled to men who are far above them in every quality.

Unrelated to our argument. Women aren’t a monolith either. I’m a virgin and I’d prefer a virgin man but I’ve yet to meet a man who was a SANE virgin and wasn’t living with FOMO for not getting to sleep around. The other option is obviously the promiscuous dudes. I don’t believe in shaming anyone for anything but there’s a legit reason these days why even virgin women aren’t going for these virgin dudes because I don’t want the baggage that comes with it.

So you went from "why aren't men slut shamed like women are" to "lmao virgin men are weirdos I prefer a guy with experience". Fucking lmao. Good one dude, thanks for exposing yourself. This is why there is nothing wrong with slut shaming because men will keep getting shamed for being virgins and rejected on that basis, and women will go for guys with experience, and I have a hard time believing any woman who says she will accept nothing but a virgin.

Anyway, like I said, unrelated to the argument. r/niceguys is not FDS. They’re not demarcating men into high value or low value. They point out those weirdos who feel entitled to pussy because they acted like a decent human once. Nothing about incels or chads there. Nice guys are present across the spectrum.

/r/niceguys is worse than FDS. FDS are butthurt women who give shit dating advice like "go snoop on his phone, that will end well lmao" but they are ultimately about trying to help women find a high value partner. I don't agree with their nastiness but I agree with a lot of their points. /r/niceguys is absolute filth, its basically "lmao these loser guys think they are ENTITLED to a girlfriend by being NICE? BEING NICE??? What pathetic assholes." It basically creates the idea that you can't get a girlfriend by being nice, (you can, and you will), and pushes men into shit like PUA and TRP.

Honestly this sounds awful, but any woman who laughs at "nice guys" and is attracted to bullies and guys who push around "nice guys", and then when she starts getting punched in the face and bullied by the same guy she got attracted to because he pushed around nice guys, well I have very little in the way of sympathy. Probably none to be honest.

Fact of the matter is you do get girlfriends by being nice. I got a girlfriend by being nice. Its not rocket science. Most women who are sane and not mentally ill jaded feminists raised by a garbage society will prefer men who are nice. Women who laugh at men for being nice and thinking nice is the way to go are garbage and are deluding themselves. The opposite of a guy who is nice is a guy who punches women in the face. Real alpha chad behaviour right? where's the subreddit to mock that? Where's the sub reddit to mock wife beaters and rapists? Nope lets make a subreddit where we can laugh at this loser who thought he is "lE eNtItLeD" because he's nice albeit a bit shy and awkward.

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Um. Why are you this angry.

Anyway.

Once again, its about a dose of reality and about laughing at women with unrealistic ridiculous standards. Its also mocking the modern dating scene where women who are trash feel entitled to men who are far above them in every quality.

So, you accept it’s sadistic and weird? Thanks

So you went from "why aren't men slut shamed like women are" to "lmao virgin men are weirdos I prefer a guy with experience". Fucking lmao. Good one dude, thanks for exposing yourself. This is why there is nothing wrong with slut shaming because men will keep getting shamed for being virgins and rejected on that basis, and women will go for guys with experience, and I have a hard time believing any woman who says she will accept nothing but a virgin.

What did I expose myself with exactly? I wouldn’t mind a virgin man at all but it depends, are you a virgin like me out of principle and morals or are you somebody who didn’t get the opportunity to lose it and will now spend the rest of your life with FOMO because you didn’t get to sleep around? What’s hilarious is how dudes like you can have all sorts of insane standards and demands virgins but god forbid I want someone who’s sane and isn’t gonna make my life hell out of some misplaced FOMO lmao. That’s some insane hypocrisy and policing of other people’s standards.

r/niceguys is worse than FDS. FDS are butthurt women who give shit dating advice like "go snoop on his phone, that will end well lmao" but they are ultimately about trying to help women find a high value partner. I don't agree with their nastiness but I agree with a lot of their points. r/niceguys is absolute filth, its basically "lmao these loser guys think they are ENTITLED to a girlfriend by being NICE? BEING NICE??? What pathetic assholes." It basically creates the idea that you can't get a girlfriend by being nice, (you can, and you will), and pushes men into shit like PUA and TRP. Honestly this sounds awful, but any woman who laughs at "nice guys" and is attracted to bullies and guys who push around "nice guys", and then when she starts getting punched in the face and bullied by the same guy she got attracted to because he pushed around nice guys, well I have very little in the way of sympathy. Probably none to be honest. Fact of the matter is you do get girlfriends by being nice. I got a girlfriend by being nice. Its not rocket science. Most women who are sane and not mentally ill jaded feminists raised by a garbage society will prefer men who are nice. Women who laugh at men for being nice and thinking nice is the way to go are garbage and are deluding themselves. The opposite of a guy who is nice is a guy who punches women in the face. Real alpha chad behaviour right? where's the subreddit to mock that? Where's the sub reddit to mock wife beaters and rapists? Nope lets make a subreddit where we can laugh at this loser who thought he is "lE eNtItLeD" because he's nice albeit a bit shy and awkward.

The men in that sub aren’t nice at all. That’s the entire point. Real nice men don’t demand physical favours for acts of kindness lmao.

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So, you accept it’s sadistic and weird? Thanks

nope its a hilarious sub and those women deserve it

What did I expose myself with exactly? I wouldn’t mind a virgin man at all but it depends, are you a virgin like me out of principle and morals or are you somebody who didn’t get the opportunity to lose it and will now spend the rest of your life with FOMO because you didn’t get to sleep around? What’s hilarious is how dudes like you can have all sorts of insane standards and demands virgins but god forbid I want someone who’s sane and isn’t gonna make my life hell out of some misplaced FOMO lmao. That’s some insane hypocrisy and policing of other people’s standards.

wanting a virgin isnt an insane standard and you admit yourself that a man being chad is more important than him being a virgin so dont ask why arent men slut shamed. We get virgin shamed by women who lie and falsely claim they want virgn partners but feel disgust at male virginity

The men in that sub aren’t nice at all. That’s the entire point. Real nice men don’t demand physical favours for acts of kindness lmao.

nobody demands sex in exchange for kindness. This is a boogeyman you created to justify hating socially awkward losers. Its amazing the lies feminists will tell to justify their hatred when they get burned that the men they actually like don't want them, for being old, for being nonvirgins, for being unfeminine. So they cope by hating males theyve already rejected and find pathetic and blame those socially awkward loser males for enforcing standards like virginity and youth and femininity and not being fat

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nope, it's a hilarious sub, and those women deserve it

Eh, I’m pretty sure if I was kekeing at incel spaces, I’d get so much flack, but anyway

wanting a virgin isn't an insane standard, and you admit yourself that a man being chad is more important than him being a virgin, so don't ask why arent men slut shamed. We get virgin shamed by women who lie and falsely claim they want virgin partners but feel disgusted at male virginity

Some women do feel disgusted at male virginity, but those are promiscuous women, and most guys don’t like them anyway

nobody demands sex in exchange for kindness. This is a boogeyman you created to justify hating socially awkward losers. Amazingly, the lies feminists will tell to justify their hatred when they get burned that the men they actually like don't want them, for being old, for being nonvirgins, for being unfeminine. So they cope by hating males they've already rejected and find pathetic and blame those socially awkward loser males for enforcing standards like virginity and youth and femininity and not being fat

Besides the fact that I’m not a feminist, you still can’t see the point. Behind kind or being nice to somebody should come out of an earnest desire to be kind - not in exchange for something. Those men aren’t nice at all; people who do acts of kindness for others in exchange for love, affection, sex, whatever are not kind. They’re entitled and rude. What are your thoughts about the r/nicegirls sub? Do you find it sexist too?

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FOMO is fear of missing out. A lot of virgin men have intense regrets at not having had opportunities to sleep around in their youth.

I completely empathise with them.

These men make for bad partners because they’re always gonna think about the life they could’ve had and they’re gonna cheat on you to relive the youth they envied.

So you're justifying virgin shaming in your mind. Its no different to how men say high n count women can't bond pair, etc.

They make for bad partners. When virgin women say they wanna avoid virgin men, they mean these dudes who think their virginity is a disease and can’t get over the past.

Nah they mean socially awkward losers with glasses who spent their lives studying rather than chasing girls. Women like men who are successful and have a natural draw, not men who are awkward losers.

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I don’t.

So why should I empathise with post-wall hags with multiple children crying about why they don't get a tall alpha to commit.

If it’s not different then why is it a problem? Out of all of people’s insane demands, wanting a principled man doesn’t sound outrageous at all. I just don’t want somebody who’s hung up over the past, is that really such a huge thing to ask? I don’t think so

You're not saying you want a principled man, you're saying "teehee I'm a virgin, but I don't want a virgin male because virgin males are mentally broken retards, I want an alpha-chad who's had girlfriends and le seggs because that means his dick is magic, unlike those mentally broken retard male virgins", except you're using mental gymnastics to hide that and pretending to say something else.

And good for them? People can whatever they want

but apparently chads with a high n count are not allowed to want a virgin qt. Even though virgin qts admit to wanting chads with high n counts.

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So why should I empathise with post-wall hags with multiple children crying about why they don't get a tall alpha to commit.

Nobody said you have to but this isn’t something revolutionary either

You're not saying you want a principled man, you're saying "teehee I'm a virgin, but I don't want a virgin male because virgin males are mentally broken retards, I want an alpha-chad who's had girlfriends and le seggs because that means his dick is magic, unlike those mentally broken retard male virgins", except you're using mental gymnastics to hide that and pretending to say something else.

Putting words in my mouth again? I’m not gonna justify myself again anyway. My standards are my own and they’re perfectly reasonable.

but apparently chads with a high n count are not allowed to want a virgin qt. Even though virgin qts admit to wanting chads with high n counts.

Nobody cares if men demand virgins lmao. Your standards are your own but it seems hilarious that you’re saying this after shaming me for my standards.

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Putting words in my mouth again? I’m not gonna justify myself again anyway. My standards are my own and they’re perfectly reasonable.

You're standards are literally "I'm a virgin but I want a chad over a fellow virgin male because reasons but anyone who wants a virgin is a hypocrite."

So basically virgin men are locked out of wanting virgin women because they are socially awkward losers, and non-virgin men are locked out of wanting virgin women because that would be hypocritical.

Nobody cares if men demand virgins lmao. Your standards are your own but it seems hilarious that you’re saying this after shaming me for my standards.

I would have 0 problem with your standards if you admit that there is no problem with a man wanting a virgin wife regardless of his own N count. If you think a non-virgin man is allowed to want a virgin wife then I'd agree that a virgin woman is allowed to want a non-virgin husband. People should want whatever they want, nobody should be shamed for their standard. What triggers me is women shaming men for their standard but justifying their own.

Your attitudes towards virgin men are basically how I suspect many women's are. They see a guy who is successful in that stuff as more manly and desirable. I'm sceptical of any woman who says she actually wants a virgin husband.

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Because the problem is it is a matter of fairness not actually having a standard and preference. Stacy IS NOT ALL WOMEN she is hot therefore she is allowed to have greater preferences. The average woman? Not hot! She should be dating average guys and expecting the top 15% of height when she is not in the top 15% of looks makes guys angry. It would be like an ugly male nerd expecting to date a 100 pound woman with DDD boobs you would call him delusional and tell him his standards are too high and to gtfo his moms basement.

I will repeat this analogy once again if you have 20 dollars you can buy a 20 dollar product that is fair and nobody cares right? But if you try and only spend 5 dollars on a 40 dollar product they are rightfully going to call the cops on you. This is basic transaction math you spend what something is worth and when you attempt to buy something with not enough money you will be called out for it.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Comments	1225
Date	December 17, 2021 9:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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