TRP is wrong about 35+ being a man’s prime

Conscious-Rate-1508 · 2022-03-06T20:23:16+00:00

Of course it's wrong. And it's funny when it's said by old red pill/manosphere guys. When coach red pill said that men peak at 45 I couldn't believe that he was that delusional. Especially when he looks like he hit the wall in his teens.

But it was even funnier when Stefan Molyneux implied that he was a high-value man while being cringy, old, and unattractive.

These men are delusional. But funny.

DiabloTheDreamer · 2022-03-06T17:25:44+00:00

That's why i won't work like a slave tirelessly until the skin falls from my bones for when i reach 35 because women will choose the 25 y/o guy over me and i will never look at a single mom those women are invisible to me just like when i was young and they were young and i was invisible to her.Most guys who subscribe to those red pill couches will be very mad when they reach 35 and have nothing going for them and they'll still experience failures with women.On the extreme side some of them will go full shooter and that's about it, the majority of them will go alone in life and never date again and some will hire a hooker once or twice a year.

HOLYREGIME · 2022-03-06T16:30:03+00:00

but if it takes you till your 35 to get to that point

I disagree with this premise. Most value attributed to men and women having nothing to do with the individual. Meaning they haven’t done anything, it’s really the vulnerability or desire from of the opposite sex.

For example: Women could be peak value at 18-22 but all they’ve done through life is exist. These women are the most valuable because most men find these women attractive. 18-22 men find these women attractive but also 25-28 guys. Alot of competition, for a few women. Value will be high.

For men, 35 may be their peak not because of anything they do, but women being desperate. The pool of decent single men has evaporated. Chad has long paired off and women are worried about marriage and pregnancy. They’ll take the best they can get before it’s too late. The individual man hasn’t done anything thing, just the factors around him that have changed increasing his value.

Gas prices are skyrocketing right now. It’s not because oil suddenly became better. The factors around it have changed increasing its value.

painfurouartacc · 2022-03-06T16:05:46+00:00

i think women will start to prefer younger men as their income/work gap closes further

Complex-Glass-8539 · 2022-03-06T16:30:43+00:00

So, it’s contingent. I’m no RPer at all, but a blind squirrel does find a nut and on this one, they are right….but only right if the loser is willing to spend their 20’s growing, and improving (which also means you will probably leave most of RP ideology behind you).

The loser in his 20’s, who spends that time chasing financial success, physical fitness, and conquering fear (the source of your awkwardness and introversion) will “glow up”, the loser who fails at this and sinks deeper into loneliness will become more depressed. Hell, many of the “bad boy” winners in their 20’s also fall down this hole as they become just as undatable as the FA type.

The removing fear is where the dividing line lays. The men who are able to get rid of fear, an emotion for children who don’t have enough life experience to perceive danger, something that is only a hindrance to an adult who has the experience to say what is and isn’t dangerous, is the hardest of these tasks, and the one ignored. Fear stands in the way of confidence, self worth, social ability. To not give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks, to neither revel or disdain being hated, being perceived as a threat or a weirdo, this lack of fear is one of the most attractive things in the world to a pretty wide swath of people (women, fear is very unsightly on you too, and bravery is very attractive amongst your ranks as well).

So, yes, if you use your 20’s to improve, you can still have that life you want in your 30’s. There are plenty of hot young women who are more than willing to both fuck and date men in their 30’s, even 40’s….not to mention 30-something women are pretty damn dank as well…..but this is only the case if you stop being the loser, and learn how to be a desirable, confident man….which you can do.

jamesbwbevis · 2022-03-06T19:26:23+00:00

Its an absolute myth. Just a way to cope and give incels a reason to not give up.

UndeadRhodesian · 2022-03-06T16:14:00+00:00

You’re basically lecturing a bunch of sad teenagers and 20-somethings that their 30s will be even worse. Yes, they will be even worse. That’s when suicide first peaks, actually.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-03-06T18:30:09+00:00

You've got to tell undesirable men something to give them hope. Telling them that their prime is later in life and they just need to work and produce for society is a good way of doing it.

Also a lot of it is projection on the part of the red pill content creators. Many of these content creators were losers in their earlier life, ugly, bullied, socially ostracized, couldn't get girls, virgins until later in life (although Rollo Tomassi a.k.a. George Miller loves to pretend he was a rockstar who got loads of girls, does anyone really believe that?). They're projecting their own life situation in the advice they give.

_HEDONISM_BOT · 2022-03-06T19:53:21+00:00

I’ve seen very successful men who are 10, 15 years older than me and I’d never swipe on them. Idk where this stereotype comes from

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Lawfulness-Savings · 2022-03-06T16:26:53+00:00

Bad faith argument on the premise that a 26 year old will be equivalent to a 35 year old.

Only in EXTREMELY rare cases is that true.

Let's take an easily relatable example, why would say a 26 year old software engineer a few years out of college be making anywhere near the amount of money someone with the same mindset the same drive and ambition having taken the same route??? The answer is the wouldn't you're not and cannot compare the two.

One will be making 100-120k the other will be making 160-300k.
So which is more attractive, 100k? or 300k?

So TRP looks at averages of all men, when does a man peak in his earning value, and more importantly what ages will be receptive to his advances?

Obviously, most of those men aren't going to be pulling 18 year olds, but 22-23 year olds with a degree in bullshit and no career prospects? Supply and demand.

nick1812216 · 2022-03-06T17:20:59+00:00

Romantically/dating-wise my 20s have been so abysmal thus far, I was really hoping in my 30s I might turn this franchise around.

（´＿｀）

purplish_possum · 2022-03-06T18:02:59+00:00

I'm certainly a better BB target at 57. Without adjusting for inflation, I make about six times what I made when I was 19 (adjusted for inflation about 3 times more). I made decent money as a steelworker when I was 19.

However, I was way more attractive physically at 19. When I went to bars and clubs women approached me. That doesn't happen very often now.

kyjolski · 2022-03-06T20:37:31+00:00

A young Chad can grow into an older Chad with money. A young beta can grow into an older beta with money.

The X/Y/Z-maxxing is a convenient way to avoid swallowing the blackpill.

Well, I guess it can help landing a LTR - an impressive resume will surely sway a lot of chicks looking for 'stability' and willing to overlook whatever was the reason our young (or, old) hero couldn't get laid before achieving so called 'status'.

wtknight · 2022-03-06T16:31:09+00:00

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dysonRing · 2022-03-06T16:13:49+00:00

Well I am 35+ and am having my prime years, so clearly this is wrong, glowing up might be a risky strategy but poor transactional women are NOT really giving you a second look unless you got money.

_-One4All-_ · 2022-03-06T18:18:31+00:00

35 is the prime in the sense that you have the best of both worlds. You’re still young enough that you likely won’t need viagra for another 2 decades, yet you’re making enough money to take care of a family.

The 30 year old might have 10% more testosterone, and the 40 year old might have more money, but the 35 is that nice sweet spot, on AVERAGE.

This has never been more true these days where a lot of college degrees pay what a high school degree paid back in the day.

jediman20 · 2022-03-07T04:33:16+00:00

For most ugly dudes, 35 is their prime if they hit the gym and achieve financial success. It's probably their only real option. Above average and top tier dudes hit their prime it their 20s. That's just the way it is. I gotta work and become the best I can be just to play on a level field. I feel like both sides lie to us. No you don't hit your prime if you don't work, but some of us will never be desired unless we play the long game.

Sabrepill · 2022-03-06T17:53:59+00:00

The red pill often takes a harsh uncomfortable truth and then simplifies and exaggerates it. Men tend to peak later than women, and high value men can hold on to their peak much longer than women. This is offset by the fact that women get immense sexual market power innately very early in life. It all balances out in the end

akticker · 2022-03-06T18:00:29+00:00

I am 44 and I have more women hitting on me now then ever before. I don’t think I am even close to my prime.

no_user_ID_found · 2022-03-06T18:06:47+00:00

Nehhhh, woman will always choose the best 10% of men.

The thing is, after 35 as a single man you become top 10% with some basic social skills.

wtknight · 2022-03-06T16:13:58+00:00

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meteorness123 · 2022-03-06T17:39:24+00:00

It's mid twenties to early thirties.

That being said, this whole talk about "primes" is so dumb

TheFieldAgent · 2022-03-06T17:42:57+00:00

You all have made this whole dating thing into too much of an RPG video game or something. You’re nuts. Worry about chemistry, energy, connection—stop talking about stats and everything. It’s no wonder you’re all so miserable. You’re so shallow.

KillaKyleKlan · 2022-03-06T18:06:05+00:00

Women trying to cope with the biological clock "wall" they have...if you look good and are in a good place in your 30s financially, girls want you. Masculine men want young feminine women, not career women in their 30s. Career women were duped by feminists, most career women are alone.

wonka__vision · 2022-03-06T18:49:39+00:00

I really don’t see younger girls picking you over the younger guy.

Peaking does not mean that they will attract younger women. It means that they will attract more women in total.

An average 25 year old man likely has little resources and only average looks. That same man at 35 will still have average looks, but he will have more resources. He now has more of what women want as compared to when he was 25.

In contrast an average 25 year old women likely has good enough looks to attract the majority of men. At 35, she will likely look less attractive to men than she did at 25. She will have less of what men want, which is fertility.

At 55, few women will have the looks that attract men. At 55, most men will at least have resources, which is valuable to many women. That is not to say that a 55 year old women will not attract anyone. It is just that a 55 year old women has no where near the bargaining power that she did at 25.

Men want looks and care little about a women's ability to provide. Women want both looks and resources. In general, as people age their looks decrease and their resources increase.

LatterSeaworthiness4 · 2022-03-06T18:57:10+00:00

The average man who is making $70K and is overweight will not have more success after 35.

The men who have established successful careers and stay fit and are naturally good-looking will find more success after 35 than as a younger man. The reason for this is easy—they start to really stand out against the sea of average joes and now they have the attention of women their own as well as a percentage of younger women.

Lateralanouncer · 2022-03-06T20:26:22+00:00

No your making shit up. An average 22 year old man is more attractive than a 35 red pill man that's been grinding for years. These average 22,,,, men can't even get laid.

4ktx · 2022-03-07T02:40:37+00:00

26 year old hvm, basically any girl at this point. Most dudes don’t hit hvm ever, so 35 is better late than ever.

35 year old with his shit together will do better than a 25 year old doing nothing in life.

Intricate__casual · 2022-03-17T19:44:04+00:00

Girls with daddy issues exist tho, which obviates your argument

Mysterious_Donkey_89 · 2022-08-29T01:14:55+00:00

If you maintain your appearance and take care of your responsibilities then it doesn’t matter. Young girls love older men. The ones that don’t are immature and irrelevant. I speak from a wealth of experience. My current gf is 25 and I’m 39.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-03-06T16:49:27+00:00

Don’t get me wrong, if you’re a guy that’s like 25-26 and is “high value” and everything, the world really is your oyster.

Nope. My man was high value at 25. He didn't have any options at that age, if I remember it right. Fast forward to 32 and he's an unemployed dad - now women hit on him.

It's weird, but it looks like a guy just being older gives him more options than being young and high value.

But I don’t think this prime correlates with the ideal guy that women are looking for.

In real life, "Middle Aged married guy with kids" is what a lot of young women go for. And I mean 19-25. I don't get it myself. There's probably a logic behind it, maybe some of you girls can explain it?

TilTheWarIsWon · 2022-03-06T16:42:27+00:00

It's not about being the ideal guy women are looking for. It's about getting more opportunities (due to moving up in the world and women's preference for dating up in age and status) and being able to capitalize on those opportunities (more experience mean greater success/retention rate)

LotBuilder · 2022-03-06T17:12:10+00:00

All I can say is that if a guy is 35, average looking, in good shape, has significant savings with a 6 figure job, owns a home or nice condo, a newer F150 and has never been married or had children… he has A LOT of options. And that 6 figure job is adjustable by location. There will be a lot of women that want to just plug and play into his lifestyle.

I’m 43, divorced with kids and I make mid 6 figures, own a nice house, etc and there are no shortage of attractive 30 year old women that want to get serious and move in with me. Most have kids and want to go the Brady bunch route but not all. They just want to be with an adult. While I know there are high value 26-30 yo men most are still in the building phase. Finishing grad/law/medical school or working their way up in another industry. Most of those ahead of the curve are not trying to get married… or if they do it is to their HS/college sweetheart and not some girl off bumble.

ejkej89 · 2022-03-06T18:34:01+00:00

I am 32 yo. guy and I started my prime recently. I was such a loser in my 20s and now I have wonderful life (of course if Putin won't attack Poland). I started relationship with 22 years old. girl and she is extremely attracted to me. But yeah I need to do hair transplant few years ago, cure my depression and suicidal thoughs and many other thigns. Good thing I look younger and I took care of myself.

I think both sides are wrong (RP who tells that every guy is suddenly more attractive in 30s, but also women on PPD who say guys in 30s are becoming suddenly unattractive). It's very individual case.

Return_of_Hoppetar · 2022-03-06T18:39:52+00:00

I think TRP is dumb, but that's not what they are claiming. They are saying that value can keep increasing over time, and then there's two schools of thought regarding when you peak, one saying it's mid-30s, the other saying it's early 40s, not because you reach peak value at those points, but because that's where your declining body and your improving value have the greatest appeal, supposedly.

Yes, you can be Tekashi 69 and actually cap out around 24, 25, and then be all washed up in your 30s (as he probably will be). Things can go wrong, people can be at their maximum value before their mid 30s. But if you do things right, so the theory goes, the value will keep increasing. There is no high value "point" at least in the theory. But perhaps it's a sensible assumption to say that there are diminishing returns on it, or even a break point. TRP doesn't assume that there is.

Possibly, someone who makes 6 figures at 25 would be more attractive than someone who makes 6 figures at 35. But the point is that not a lot of people will be doing that at 25. It's a practical perspective.

Classic_Head3437 · 2022-03-06T19:46:50+00:00

I think what they mean is, a girl would rather spend time with a man that has his shit together. He owns a business, car, and house. Rather than a 19 year old drinking Busch Light in his dorm room, driving an early 2000s Camry his dad gave him.

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Character_Path91S · 2022-03-06T18:12:46+00:00

The problem is wealth usually takes a long time to accumulate

Best_Illustrator_137 · 2022-03-06T20:39:01+00:00

I think it means your relatively making a lot more than in your younger years, you still look relatively young, and women younger than you will still have fun,go out, have a relationship with you without the age difference being too weird if they are a lot younger.

Whisper · 2022-03-06T21:08:52+00:00

I feel like it’s disingenuous for the red pill to preach to guys that age doesn’t matter for guys and as long as you put your head down and grind out your money and status, you will attain “high value” and be rewarded in the future.

Quack.

ffandyy · 2022-03-06T23:21:57+00:00

28-33 might be closer to accurate win my opinion, in a very general sense

FuzzyDice12 · 2022-03-07T08:13:48+00:00

Speaking from experience as someone who hit the top 1% financially around 21-22yo and never had problems attracting women: around 28 it went from easy mode to very easy mode and every year after, even easier. And I’m not walking around talking about my 110k car(yes I could have purchased a more expensive one but don’t see the point and prefer to invest money), or my net worth. I have been told by multiple women including my SO that there’s something about me that you can “tell I’m successful” but when I ask what, I can’t get a clear answer besides the energy I give off.

Physically I have always been in good shape and have a bodybuilders physique over a swimmers body because bodybuilding is my passion. From a bodybuilders perspective my body is better than ever at 33. I frequently get hit on by 18-20 yo’s, and I get DMs for chicks DTF frequently. Talking about 7’s 8’s and 9’s(no 10’s in my book).

So from my personal experience, even though the money had been there from a young age, I keep peaking and getting better since 28 and that’s not going to stop at 35.

DisturbedBurger · 2022-03-07T12:50:16+00:00

Statistically: that's about the age where you'll find the majority of high value men. But no, it has less to do with age and everything to do with culture. We men could have been more valuable when we were younger if we vested more into being authentic instead of meandering with impressions and mind games.

The same can be said for women. IMO most of these young prime girls are not that desirable to me anymore because I know better they're trash humans. Because the brain is hotter than the ass.

JameisBong · 2022-03-07T14:51:03+00:00

Lol you are as wrong as two left shoes, but i have no desire to debate you. Continue to live in your delusion

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2022-03-07T17:29:20+00:00

I feel like it’s disingenuous for the red pill to preach to guys that age doesn’t matter for guys

The Red Pill doesn't preach that age doesn't matter for guys at all; I'd say its more so focusing on the fact that age doesn't matter in the same way for men and women. The experiences of a 22 year old woman are vastly different than those of a 22 year old man.

and as long as you put your head down and grind out your money and status, you will attain “high value” and be rewarded in the future.

You're phrasing this as a guarantee, I don't think anyone preaching Red Pill advice would say its a guarantee. More that you up your odds and will be of more value than previously were if you do such things.

Don’t get me wrong, if you’re a guy that’s like 25-26 and is “high value” and everything, the world really is your oyster. But if it takes you till your 35s to get to that point, I really don’t see younger girls picking you over the younger guy. im talking about normal people by the way, not those with clout

I think you're being a bit too dismissive of it, guys who have put in the hard work and have attained a lot of money and status that are also physically attractive can do really well with younger women. If the 35 year old guy is competing with the 25 year old guy who is equal in looks, status, wealth, etc... is the 25 year old woman more apt to choose the 25 year old guy? Absolutely. But I think you're vastly overestimating how many 25 year old guys can attain the status and wealth that a 35 year old guy can.

For many guys, they may get to their “high value prime” when they’re 35. But I don’t think this prime correlates with the ideal guy that women are looking for.

Your mistake is thinking that men and women seek the exact same thing from the opposite sex.

2022-03-09T07:06:03+00:00

Woman in my early 30s here. I’ve never been into older guys. I always wondered if I was weird but it’s just a thing. I’m not ageist but my upper limit has never been high - I just prefer men my age. Though now I’m willing to go down by a few years (and I’ve had to turn down a lot of way younger guys in the last 2 years, because a 10 year gap feels wrong at this stage). My educated guess is I’ll end up with someone younger than me but within 5 years of age.

It might be that I don’t have daddy issues, or that I’m just into younger looks, or that I’m most often assumed to be early-mid 20s myself and I’m skewed on what looks age appropriate. Regardless, the whole “men peak later” thing isn’t true. I just find most guys my age look a lot older and that’s not really appealing to me personally. I even more recently have gone on dates with guys my age and they legitimately thought I was way younger than them and I forgot we were the same age as well - they looked older and we’re only early 30s. A lot of men 35+ look aged for real.

Looks are not everything of course but yes, my point is that the 35+ thing is a myth.

Combat_Orca · 2022-03-09T12:37:04+00:00

TRP is just wrong in general

NEOKNlGHT · 2022-03-06T17:04:32+00:00

Wrong. A lot of young women have daddy issues and fetishize older men. Women in general date older men, not younger. The older you get as a man, as long as you take care of yourself and don't look wrinkled and grey like a grandpa, the wider the group of women attracted to you age-wise gets.

A 20 year old dude only has 18-20 year old girls to choose from. A 50 year old dude who takes care of himself can date women between 18 and 50 if he so wishes.

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Lotus_82 · 2022-03-06T17:32:08+00:00

If he does that he’s going to need money for a Dutch lawyer as well.

helloguy4005 · 2022-03-06T19:32:07+00:00

There are plenty of men that get better with age.

Since 35 is an odd number, I'll just use 36 for my case. Going from a newborn to 18 is a major change and involves major growth. Going from 18 to 36 doesn't involve much growth aside from extreme cases of pituitary disorders or heavy drug use.

By the time a man is 25 or so, he's pretty much set in stone. He might gain 2 or so points later in life but he will not go from ugly to super handsome.

I have improved with age in terms of looks, money and life experience. I was already 6'3 to begin with. I had delayed puberty and spent part of my delayed development in the military (which was both a blessing and curse). I am doing slightly better now

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-03-06T20:02:52+00:00

From a sexual and physicality standpoint we're all in our Peak from that teenage to about early 30s area.

Now where the separation happens is what women look for in a guy, even with women starting to out earn men in some places, they don't date down the way that a number of men do, they're going to look for somebody that's financially /educationally equal but preferably better.

Men's sexual access has always been different, so if you didn't spend your 20s being a dumbass and you actually work yourself up to some money or some status, that makes you the most valuable Prospect you can be in that regard, because as long as you keep yourself looking good and you get that money / status you can physically attract and have fun with the younger ladies, as well as be a good Prospect for those looking for marriage , and if you're a guy that's a little more average or unfortunate in the looks Department, this is your best bet for a lot of things romantic/sexual

A good example of this is the "candy store" analogy that Myron Gaines uses

Source: Experience

Pastelitomaracucho · 2022-03-06T21:04:25+00:00

really don’t see younger girls picking you over the younger guy.

I have been vastly more successful with women in their 20's in my 30's compared to my 20's.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-03-06T21:24:06+00:00

I disagree, while most men aren't reaching their prime in their 30s due to poor decision making in their 20s, opting to party, do drugs etc. Instead of working out, lifting heavy shit and working their arses off, they SHOULD be hitting there prime in their 30s, men are supposed to peak in their 30s but don't because a lot of men are stupid nowadays.

I'm going to work my arse off in my 20s so I can enjoy my 30s onwards. Simple as, I'll be valuable in my 30s, I know that for a fact, because unlike the mean who aren't going to be, I have discipline.

lavishrabbit6009 · 2022-03-06T21:24:43+00:00

You aren't wrong, but the main thing about men in their 30's reaching their peak is because of the amount of resources they have to attain to be able to provide women with the lifestyle they want. These type of women who want a lifestyle are a certain type that are okay with being with an older man as long as he provides it. Yeah, there is a chance she may cheat eith a younger hot guy, but if the older man is smart he will withdraw all his resources as punishment and find another girl.

But within normal ranges for normal men and women, these sort of considerations are simply not there.

Insidious-Sid · 2022-03-06T21:58:14+00:00

Guys 25-26 are rarely at that point in their career where a 35 y.o. career woman switching to "family mode" is going to be interested in them.

An attractive fit man 35-45 years old who is "commitment ready" and has a good 6.5 figure job will have no problems finding someone.

Most of these posts are just flip-the-script revenge fantasy that try to say that men also have a similar wall at age 30 and they do not.

Others believe that men over 30 (or 40) suddenly become bald and morbidly obese which again, is just more copium pills.

SuggestedAd67328 · 2022-03-07T01:18:10+00:00

early-30yo man: - is still in very good physical condition, even better if he exercised. Only like 10% of people exercise regularly, therefore it isn’t that hard - is finally earning good money after a decade of education and professional career. this is the time where a girl can see what future is before that man - is somewhat mature or at least started to be mature. he’s also lower risk vs. 20-something who wants to fuck everything that moves (points to myself) - has many acquired skills and knowledge through experience - it’s still full of energy and, if he maintained himself, in good health

Peak attractiveness is the sum of all traits. After 30 a smart girl can see clearly of what material man is made from.

If was a loser in my early 20, average in my late 20, but then my stock skyrocketed in my 30 when I found game, moved my ass to gym, fixed my fashion, got some investments going and smoothed my crude humour. All of that gave my good shot with early- and late-20yo girls.

However, a well-rounded 30+ man won’t be looking for a immature spoiled girl without a plan for life. Many of my exes learned that hard way. If you want value, then bring value yourself.

Title	TRP is wrong about 35+ being a man’s prime
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Date	March 6, 2022 3:48 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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