Why so much hate for r/seduction?

keikenamarinai · 2012-08-01T12:57:52+00:00

ThrowawayPUA:

It is generally a bad idea to promote seddit elsewhere on reddit. It does little good for the people you think it will help. And it only exposes seddit to more haters.

We will be here when they need us. But they don't need us to push ourselves on them. I will also note that there have been some aggressive promotions of other subreddits that criticized seddit in their spams, so promotion could cause a reactivation of resentments.

n0ggy · 2012-08-01T16:15:29+00:00

I'm just going to copy/paste the answer I gave to a similar question a while ago. Here it is :

There are ton of things that are bothering me with the PUA community.

Thinking that having sex with a bunch of girls makes you a winner. Honestly, if you're not half-ugly and get past the whole "fear of rejection" thing, everyone ends up getting a few one night stands. There's absolutely nothing amazing with picking up half-drunk chick while you're at the pub. Also, the whole field report thing really feels like self-persuasion, as if the guys knew they aren't that great and need to compliment each others to rub their ego. One of my best friend is a guy who picks up about 2 girls a week and he admitted himself that it was all about needing to prove something to himself. Others have been is couple for years and are genuinely winners. Having sex is less pathetic than behind single, but don't think it makes you a winner. It may solve a few insecurities, but not the real psychological issue.
The "group therapy" thing. Just like George Carlin said. I don't mind relying on others, bloggers, and articles, but don't come bragging about you being strong, confident and independent afterwards.
Seduction and attraction are unfair, without rules and chaotic by nature. And the PUA community really tries to make it like everyone has a chance and that there is dogmatic rules in seduction. I think there is a bit of good information (usually the things that was taken out of sociology & psychology books), such as the difference between what people says they want and what they actually want. But what I really hate are those "you look doesn't matter", "size doesn't count" bullshit. It really is proof that PUA Community is just another market that doesn't want to upset its potential customers.
Throwing the term "alpha male" everywhere. Honestly, the only people I know in life who are fitting the profile, don't even know what an "alpha-male" is supposed to be. Nor do they spend their time on the internet bragging about it. The real natural leaders who attract women are living, not talking about their life behind a keyboard. I believe you can improve who you are and become more interesting, but being a natural leader is, well, natural.
The PUA seminars & DVD really feel like scam. I tried to listen to a bunch of those on youtube. It's overly long videos with basically no substance. The guys are talking a lot more than they actually say. To the point where you wonder if they are either frauds or intentionally not giving away their technique. I also can't believe the price on these things, it's basically exploiting people with social anxiety. A good psychologist or friend may give better results at a lower price. And they actually know what they're talking about.
The countless acronyms and weird vocabulary. (Even though I'm obligated to use some in my argumentation) Maybe it's just me, but it really feels like a cult of weirdos. And like I said earlier, the need for everything to fit into stereotypes because you can't deal with the fact that reality isn't homogeneous.
Some guys who went from "staying at home" to "trying seduction techniques" think that what got them girls is mostly neg, openers, one-liners, kino and whatnot. No, what got you the girl is going out and meeting people. The rest just got you the girl earlier or improved your chances by a few percents, no more.
"You can get any girl". No you can't. This is not cynicism or pessimism. What you can do is pushing the "out of your league" further. But you cannot get ANY girl. Telling this to the socially awkward obese nerd is pure marketing and manipulation.
All in all. Not realizing that picking up a girl isn't hard. It's only hard if you are a teenager or a guy with social anxiety issue. What is hard is finding the right girl, getting the right girl, and building a happy relationship with her.

(Phew, I might have been overboard with the criticism). I'll try to finish by saying that not ALL is bad. There's a few sociological and psychological truths. It's also not too bad if you're really shy. It can get you motivated. Just don't get too cocky and don't believe everything.

(possible grammar mistakes, English isn't my first language)

benpancake · 2012-08-01T13:36:54+00:00

To be completely honest, some of you guys are total douchebags. Just yesterday I visited and watched that video with that Jeffey guy or whoever and he said something along the lines of "If I'm 'beasting' and the girl I want has a boyfriend, I say 'oh I'm sorry bro, I thought you were like her retarded little brother and that's why she was holding your hand.' While I thought it was funny, you can see how guys who have seen this type of guy who considers himself part of the seduction community and think they are shitty people/douchebags. I think some the ideas tossed around here are really interesting and hold merit, but I also think they attract a breed of person that I'm less likely to find appealing.

Let the downvotes begin.

NomadicScribe · 2012-08-01T14:01:31+00:00

I've been a lurker on here, because like some others, I find the ideas interesting. I'm 29 and I've been around a bit, I have my own methods of approaching women, with some success I might add. I subscribe to this forum because I might learn something, or at least read a good story.

However, there are a number of reasons why I can see that someone is off-put by this community. For one thing, the "glossary of terms" can be pretty weird to someone who is only looking on casually. Some of them are abbreviations, which are fine; but is Kino really a necessary term for "touching"?

Another thing I'm sympathetic to is people who are wary of manipulators, emotional and otherwise. I've had to deal with enough manipulative narcissists in my life, and I'm guarded against anyone who views this lifestyle as something to aspire to.

However, for the most part, people on this community are just trying to get laid. Last time I checked that isn't a crime. Followers of this community probably aren't hurting anyone.

Pugilanthropist · 2012-08-01T14:26:19+00:00

Two days ago there was an FR where the OP seduced a married woman and left her crying after they'd had sex. After she had put up "LMR".

And yet you still wonder why this community is frowned upon?

xAtarigeekx · 2012-08-01T13:03:19+00:00

Reddit's core user base is young men (16 - 25) who aren't good with women. They don't know how too approach dating or picking up women, and they dislike those who do. They buy in to the common notion that being nice gets women. Whilst this is true (being nice is obviously very attractive), being nice alone won't make people interested in you. They also misunderstand what being nice is about. They think showering a woman with compliments and worshipping everything she does = being nice, and whilst this may be true, it makes them boring.

So when people see seddit, and people talking about things to do to make women interested in you, mind games, things to say etc, it goes against what they think attraction is all about, and so they dislike it.

They think seddit is about cheating at picking up women, and not that it's just about learning how attraction works. They think it's about manipulating women, when actually it's about making yourself more attractive.

Raeko · 2012-08-01T14:31:16+00:00

I am going to give you an honest, feminist response. The idea that /r/seduction is sexist has to do with subtle things like language and the general mindset of many posters here.

The basic idea is that a lot of what you guys say and how you say it implies that you do not view women as people, but as objects that are your's to control and use as you desire.

This mindset manifests itself in many ways. Using the word "females" instead of "women" or "ladies" and discussing "field reports" gives off a cold, scientific vibe. "Female ducks" is how you would refer to animals, not to people. When you use the word "females" and "men" in the same sentence it implies that you view women as sub-human. A lot of people say these sorts of things without even realizing it, but this is the implication that the words hold and so you should be aware of them when you say them.

Most posters also seem to forget that women are individuals and do not all act exactly the same. Some posters go as far as saying things like "she acts this way because ________, this is how you can counter/avoid/whatever it". Again, this is dehumanizing since it removes the woman's personality from the equation entirely.

Not using names (or nicknames) and judging women solely based on their appearance is also dehumanizing for obvious reasons.

These are just a few examples. For the record, this sort of subtle sexism exists in most places, not just /r/seduction (though it does display itself a lot more here than in other places). If anyone would like more examples, or a further explanation of what I mean, feel free to ask me!

CampHope · 2012-08-01T11:53:41+00:00

Yep. I tried to help some people (men) who have had bad luck and post on /r/amiugly, and while some have responded positively to me, I saw a post from /r/foreveralone recently that shows people bashing us, calling us rapists and liars, exactly what you are talking about. I have a few theories:

A. Women probably hate seddit because it makes them feel out of control. Which they are (men are too). This is really a more philosophical point, but everyone bows to the commands their neurological programming gives to them, regardless of how "in tune" they think they are. Despite this, women don't like feeling like men can control them so easily. No one likes that feeling.

B. It's also possible that women see this as a threat to their control over us. After all, all they have to do is hint at sex, and suddenly they get free drinks, money, food, man servants, etc. Seddit gets men out of the friendzone and implictly helps them realize when they're being yanked around.

C. Some men reject seddit because they are chivalrous morons who think that it will make them more attractive to have "principles." Idiots. I hate these kind of "white knight" jackasses more than almost any other group on the planet. We're not about objectifying women - seddit is about understanding what "being human" implies and using it to your advantage. And furthermore, being openly chivalrous is the number one signal that you're a beta male looking for attention. If you have strong beliefs on what you should do in the presence of women, fine - have them. But publicly broadcasting them is analogous to saying, "hey, I'm like the typical mold of guys who will subjugate themselves to women, because I do what my society, culture and species tell me to do. Please feel free to walk all over me!" Of course women like chivalrous men - I like easy math problems to which the solution is obvious at the start.

D. Aside from all of that, I feel like we kind of get a kneejerk reaction from people because we are seen as con artists. I don't mind the title, even though it is misleading.

The bottom line is this, my friend - the human attraction selection process is a system that is subconciously ingrained into our brains. People do not like their worlds being shaken up or challenged, so when we present this revolutionary worldview that challenges what people are used to, they get upset. Really upset. They will try to fight us, because the weak are always terrified of the strong. They will fight to protect their bad ideas of what mom and dad told them about nice guys finishing first and having a good heart, and until they are ready to accept a scientific mindset that allows them to see the world as it is, they will confront us at every turn, determined to maintain the status quo.

itsmevichet · 2012-08-01T13:36:16+00:00

Well, you know, people make lots of statements about something they don't understand.

2012-08-01T19:44:37+00:00

im a lurker, and i feel like some of you a genuinely trying to be better men, better human beings. but i also feel like some of you are trying to be creepy perverts taking their revenge out on women and other men for not getting laid their entire lives. its a very fine line. with great power comes great responsibility

CampHope · 2012-08-01T14:35:47+00:00

People often misunderstand this subreddit. Like r/nofap, seddit is all about becoming an incredible awesome person, becoming a better version of yourself, so that your happy with who you are. The "game" is the method to do this, which is basically having a good time with girls and especially with yourself. People think this subreddit teaches you to become a douche, who treats women like objects, when in reality it teaches you to have a good time with somebody. It's not like we're raping girls... o.O

Soul_Baby · 2012-08-01T15:02:31+00:00

I originally thought this was a subreddit that was just about how to fuck all kinds of women and "creep" if you know what I mean. After being on here for awhile, I can see that the underlying message behind a lot of this stuff is to make YOU a better, more confident person overall. Most people don't see this and just immediately write off Seddit as a bad place.

tartancharger · 2012-08-01T15:34:17+00:00

I like the whole "self improvement" part of r/seduction. The look your best, feel great and have a good time part. However, some of the tactics/ strategy part of /r/seduction leaves me feeling slightly unclean. In /r/seduction you need to wade through slightly more bullshit to find the nuggets of gold that apply to you and fit your philosophy.

I read the "asking women out" thread in askreddit yesterday and it seeemed that a lot of people were confused about /r/seduction, possibly ignorance but possibly they just stumbled across the dodgier articles that I would ignore and disregard.

If any women were to read that thread they must surely see how dificult it is to go up and approach women. One lady said "I don't like to be complemented as it comes across as fake", another wanted to be complemented while another said "I want to be complemented on something obscure like my shoes". Anyone reading that thread and the number of differing opinions must show why there are 69,000 subscribers.

Sorry for the rambling.

Fallingdownwalls · 2012-08-01T16:42:14+00:00

Here is a repost of mine from a thread is askmen which is summarises my ultimately negative view of the whole PUA scene

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(modern) PUA had innocent enough beginnings, essentially a bunch of (somewhat) anti-social men on IRC trading dating advice and trying to self improve. The problem came when certain members became very good, people like Mystery who for nearly ten years went out most nights a week and observed the guys successful at picking up women and copied it. When these successful people began to give advice was where it fell apart...

By this point most of them had unhealthy views of women
While they knew what did work they didn't know why, to this day you could read any PUA guide and find it full of pop-psychology attempting to explain way things work
Clueless guys on the Internet couldn't get their heads around the advice so it had to be broken down to it's most simplistic terms which left a whole lot of interpretation and removed a lot of context (e.g. A neg is simply a tease, a normal part of flirting, some people however took the concept of "insult the woman" and took it to extremes where they get slapped/drinks thrown on them as a result of their "negging"), this break down to simplistic terms brought about all this NATO speak.
Cults of personality developed around the big gurus and this was very lucrative, and to make more money they had to differentiate and this evolved to more pop-psychology and more NATO talk.
These forums/cults fostered an unhealthy and objectifying view of women (literally as opponents that need to be defeated) which have rise to downright immoral and unhealthy ways of interacting with them (look up PUA books on amazon, the "also bought" sections are full of hypnosis, NLP, and dog training manuals).

But the main people being tricked by PUA are the men carrying it out, it tricks them into being confident, gives them something to say in those situations they wouldn't have said anything, when they get blown off they don't blame their person they blame their use of the material and instead of taking it as a personal slight they bounce back and try again.

Remember the point of the Game is that half these PUA gurus were fantastic at initially attracting women, but utterly and completely failed at relationships.

Fundamentally I think it is quite an unhealthy way to go about meeting women.

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I got exposed to PUA by a friend who was obsessed with the stuff, I think there is a glimmer of healthy knowledge/advice hidden in there and the intentions of most into it are innocent, but as it is it is a very flawed way of meeting women.

WolfInTheField · 2012-08-01T16:55:06+00:00

Mostly because we have a bad rep as manipulative assholes. Back in the mystery days, this was entirely justified. Nowadays, less.

That said, this thread is a fantastic circlejerk of justifications.

m4dh4tt3r · 2012-08-01T19:19:23+00:00

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gabriot · 2012-08-01T20:43:11+00:00

If you don't think this subreddit is largely sexist then you are completely fucking blind. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good info and discussion, but my god.... there's a lot of rampant sexism, I don't even know how you can possibly deny that.

legendofpasta · 2012-08-01T15:29:40+00:00

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mrpopenfresh · 2012-08-01T16:45:43+00:00

2 things I severely dislike about seddit.

1- The overuse of confusing and unaccesible lingo essentially transforming seduction into an inorganic methodology with shitty buzzwords.

2- The profusion of what pretty much boils down to soft porn stories.

2012-08-01T16:54:09+00:00

whats the difference between a guy who figured out how to act around women, and subsequently get with them at a young age, and a guy who did not but then wanted to learn it when he was older?

nothing. both men use the same techniques, but one spent a lot of time thinking about the mechanics and the why. while the other just kind of fell into it. if you've ever had a friend who was really good at picking up women before you were into this seduction thing, and you think back on the stuff they did, you will notice its all pretty much the same behavior.

Its a situation of "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" there are A LOT of PUAs who are just angry assholes who are taking out said anger on women through manipulation. Then there are others who truly use this material to separate themselves from the societal model that dictates they should put all women on a pedestal, and all women are better than them.

DiceRightYoYo · 2012-08-01T17:27:37+00:00

I think the term "seduction" has a fairly negative connotation, I honestly think this subreddit is more about self-improvement.

2012-08-01T17:38:06+00:00

Because "HB9," "obstacle," "bitch shield," etc...

Use the positive aspects of the game (charisma, social proof) and disregard the negative (putting people down, general coercion).

Women are people, but some in this community treat them like a video game boss.

Butterbawlz · 2012-08-01T18:14:09+00:00

I'm surprised anyone on here cares what other subreddits think

2012-08-01T20:35:47+00:00

An asshole before learning pick up, is considered a "good guy".

An asshole after learning pick up, is an asshole.

What's the difference?

Exposure. Everybody in that person's close circle of friends knows he is an asshole. Learning pick up just let's everyone else know it too.

People will be an asshole/douche bag after learning pick up, only because they were one before learning.

This is where the hate comes from. People can not separate the 2.

I have meet more men looking for ways to find a long term relationship partner than men looking for a 1 night stand.

crystal64 · 2012-08-01T15:29:50+00:00

who cares about her, she is probably a 5/10!

No, seriously. Why do you even give a shit when you know how great some of the seddit posts are. Much about inner game and applied psychology for better quality of life and being a better human being. Which other subreddit has that?

2012-08-01T12:04:43+00:00

People see us as voodoo hypnotic mysogynist manipulators.

And they don't want to acknowledge that human beings might respond to the same things on the whole.

2012-08-01T14:45:09+00:00

They just mad because we're hogging all the chicks

2012-08-01T13:13:21+00:00

Because they don't get it! And because many of the people on seddit actually don't get the whole concept either..its actually become a real big issue. Many on the site are very beginner and pick and choose a few concepts. They are still afc so the blind lead the blind.

DvlsAdvc8 · 2012-08-01T15:16:32+00:00

Its not that people think seddit is cheating or even sexist... its that they think the point of seddit is to develop the skills of a player. Someone who isn't interested in relationships and whose interest in a woman is shallow. They hate the fact that there are psychological techniques and tactics to employ that can make you more appealling to a woman... and it violates the notion that you should nust be yourself. There is a sense that it is fake... Deception. Thats what is despised.

2012-08-01T15:53:10+00:00

This is really an unfair generalization because everyone joins the pickup community for their own reasons.

Some people join because they want to become the best version of themselves. Some people are incredibly socially awkward and need some help understanding how to make friends and meet cool people without people looking at them like a freak. And some people are here because they want to fuck alot of women. Other people are here because they need help finding a woman for a long term relationship. And other people are here because they get alot of satisfaction from seducing woman out of existing relationships.

This community is incredibly diverse and we're very aware of this diversity. But just like every other community, the only thing outsiders hear about communities they are not a part of are the sensationalist and 'shocking' stories. People don't hear about how the majority of this community are just regular people here for legitimate self-improvement lessons.

And in my opinion of learning how to be competent in social settings is 'manipulation' than learning how to speak another language so you can speak to people from another country should also be considered manipulation. Nobody wants to be that awkward guy who has literally no idea what is being done or said around him.

fluidkarma · 2012-08-01T15:54:30+00:00

Why do you care what other people think anyway?

kamatres · 2012-08-01T16:42:25+00:00

I will use analogy from "The Game", because most men in general are like Marko, who believe by just being nice and being yourself will eventually get them love of their life. We are brainwashed by our culture, magazines, movies to believe there is just one person in the world for you, which is obviously bullshit. Here on Seddit we tell men "Take control over your life, be best version of yourself, push your boundaries" because every woman wants best pair of genes for herself ( and very rightfully so). I think if anything we are very misunderstood by majority in what we are trying to do here, just browse other reddits and comments. They are filled with overweight guys, who masturbate all day, play video games and consider themselves "forever alone" and even though they feel bad and would like to change something, they are scared to leave their comfort zone. I'd help every and each one of those guys if they asked for my help because i was one of them not so long ago but i know it's futile because they will reject what i have to offer. I was also blaming whole world and everyone for bad things happening to me, for my girlfirend cheating on me, for my father stealing from me etc. And when i found Seddit i realised that it wasn't world that was at fault, it was me whole time because i lost control over my life. Now i know what i have to do to fix those things and who i want to be and how to get there. And you have to realise you can't help anyone if they don't want your help in the first place.

wtjones · 2012-08-01T17:39:58+00:00

Imagine if you were an oil producer and I invented a free source of energy and went around giving them out to your customers. How would you feel about it?

The idea of sex as a commodity produced by women and consumed by men is one that we're socialized to believe. Seddit and the PUA community teach you that you can flip that model on it's head.

UnapologeticalyAlive · 2012-08-01T17:46:44+00:00

What we do is examine the nuts and bolts of human interraction in such a way that it becomes understandable and demystified. Some people just don't like it because they prefer to be mystified.

Also, guys employ cognitive dissonance to give themselves a million excuses for not getting women. The seduction community tells them their excuses are bullshit. They don't want to hear it, because if they consider the possibility that their excuses are bullshit, they would have to consider the possibility that their lack of success with women actually is their fault. And that's a grim reality that a lot of guys simply cannot face.

PUAdept · 2012-08-01T17:49:50+00:00

Fight club is an overused analogy, but probably accurate. Most women don't understand the need for male spaces, some even feel threatened by it. The other point is no one wants to see how the sausage is made. Most women like being seduced, but they want it to feel "natural" as if it was predestined. Breaking the game down shines a light on it and can make it seem less romantic.

2012-08-01T18:11:22+00:00

I think some of the communities terminology is an outdated throwback to a sleazier era but I guess I don't care what anyone thinks anyway. The point is, this stuff works and changes lives for both men and women. If someone wants to label it as sexiest and manipulative without bothering to understand what it's all about then let them.

The funny thing is that anyone endeavoring to improve their lives inevitably runs across the same philosophies and principles. This may start out as trying to figure out women but quickly opens the door to much deeper questions and issues of personal growth - the same shit that Ekhart tolle talks about in his books. Ultimately, inner peace is what we're all chasing.

Desmadre · 2012-08-01T18:23:43+00:00

I have this buddy and while he doesn't hate seduction per say he wants nothing to do with it. For example anytime I read about some useful information the first thing I want to do is share it with my close friends, but every time I try to have a discussion about it he brushes it off like he won't even listen to it.

I remember after reading The Game and Mystery Method I told him to check em out and his response was "I don't need to learn or change anything, im good the way I am I don't need a book." I feel that some people feel (my friend included) that the core of seduction is ultimately trying to change you/challenge your identity but thats not the case at all.

colucci · 2012-08-01T19:07:14+00:00

People assume this subreddit is all about picking up girls and fucking them senseless. While there is an element of truth to that, it's more about self improvement and appearing more likeable to females (and males too, though I hope you're not all touchy with your bros).

joazito · 2012-08-01T21:06:36+00:00

I don't mind outside hate at all, unfortunately a quite large percentage of subscribers to this sub are like that. I see ridiculous comments getting upvoted about seducers being trash.

campushippo · 2012-08-01T21:11:24+00:00

This is only conjecture, but perhaps it has something to do with the PUA vibe associated with this subreddit (what can I do to manipulate this female into sleeping with me?).

IP3R2KO · 2012-08-01T23:20:37+00:00

The thing is, there's this notion in society that we're not supposed to talk about picking up girls. We need to have some "excuse" to talk to girls, and of course we should never think about having sex with them. That should just happen spontaneously when we meet the right person, right?

Sigh. If you want to get good at something, you practice it. When (and if) you ever meet the one you're gonna want to be comfortable talking to girls, right? Then fucking practice. If, however, you just want to use your game to get laid as much as possible, go right ahead. I can only bestow upon you this tool, I can't tell you how to use it. Also, I don't particularly care.

liquidfirex · 2012-08-01T23:24:47+00:00

Lack of principals and "morals", is why I'm torn. A month or so ago there was a highly ranked topic on how those in seddit need to stop judging other about continuing the chase after you know a female has a boyfriend. Honestly, I like the ideas behind seddit and the logic and social dynamics as a study, but if you don't have principals you don't get my respect.

ruorgimorphu · 2012-08-01T23:31:42+00:00

For me, I don't like that it's acting. Yes it gets results, but I have it as a personal value to be genuine to people, otherwise you're lying, manipulating, and making life into a game. I prefer to be true to myself and others. I also wonder about the depth of a relationship started this way. I feel like a girl would be disoriented and wonder about you since you're playing these games, she'll eventually have to figure out who the real you is, if you ever let it out. I approve only of the most basic, first steps about confidence and approach. Though, I don't see it as sexist in a bad way because the concepts are accurate.

I saw a couple of posts saying that some men think they're being chivalrous and more attractive for this kind of view, but I agree and don't think that. This view obviously gets in the way, but my top priority in life isn't to round the bases.

Edit - just read an FR and yup, I definitely wouldn't feel good about the blatant lying

TheNameIsBro · 2012-08-02T00:24:36+00:00

because it seems like reddit is generally friendzoned boners that don't feel like changing their "nice guy" ways to "get the girl"

ThrowawayPUA · 2012-08-02T00:28:02+00:00

It is obvious that some people are incapable of a civil discussion and are intent on derailing those people who are being civil. I am sorry that some rotten apples have spoiled the whole barrel.

itsmevichet · 2012-08-01T14:02:23+00:00

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2012-08-01T19:10:05+00:00

Haters gonna hate
/r/fitness get similar attitudes from ourside /r/fitness. /r/bodybuilding even more
it is a byproduct of the society that we live in, where everyone is dismisses anything that doesn't fit their worldviews; and once it's one the web, things exacerbate even more, on reddit they reach new levels due to the ease of anonymity
the first amendment is a wonderful thing, and it's also a double edged sword; I suggest you ignore them, and continue with your life. I do that, or at least I try to.

TL;DR: Fuck them

Boyblunder · 2012-08-01T14:54:23+00:00

The issue is that you guys read way too into things. Sometimes the best way to hook up with a girl is to just play her feelings, and go with the flow.

If you look at dating as a fucking science/game/whatever, you are doing it wrong. Period. End of story.

Just go find a pretty girl and say hi and do your thing, and if she says no, go find another one. Shit.

I get such a rapey vibe from this subreddit.

oderint_dum_metuant · 2012-08-01T18:51:52+00:00

I stopped seeking approval from white knights and ugly dykes a long time ago. Google my username.

2012-08-01T20:22:51+00:00

It has to do with the idea of feminism and its brainwashing of male society. Why did my last relationships fail? I was a fucking pussy. I let them be bitches. I let them have their way. I should, and will, from now on be the man I used to be. You have to trust yourself, and many of the people against /r/seduction take the equality and you have to be kind, honest, and appeasing to all women. FUCK THAT SHIT! Women play more games than men. If they didn't, then we would need /r/seduction. The best statement here was: "Some men reject seddit because they are chivalrous morons who think that it will make them more attractive to have 'principles.'" This is fucking right. You know what those morals get you, friend fucking zoned. Be a fucking man, don't be complacent, don't appease, don't look for approval, and have the balls to stand up for yourself or walk away when needed.

rddtgmr · 2012-08-01T18:28:44+00:00

Reddit is known for being ultra politically correct in general.

floofloofloo · 2012-08-01T17:46:31+00:00

Hate for /r/seduction is a good thing. The more women that know about it, the more they are going to call men on it in the field. Women exposed to seddit will tend to see it as manipulation and will feel used, when the truth is that seddit is about making life better for everyone by improving the self. The more men that know about it, the more competition. There are a lot of good men that could benefit from seddit but due to some ingrained beliefs are morally opposed to it, and they are totally welcome here once they get over their limiting beliefs.

Whisper · 2012-08-01T19:49:21+00:00

I am going to give you an honest, feminist response

Civil war.
Jumbo shrimp.
Military intelligence.

Title	Why so much hate for r/seduction?
Author	m4dh4tt3r
Upvotes	81
Comments	360
Date	August 1, 2012 11:41 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/xi27o/why_so_much_hate_for_rseduction/
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